July 17, 2024 • 8 mins
The Prince of the Provinces is about to do a royal visit of his principality, the regions, bearing gifts to tune of $1.2 billion from his Regional Infrastructure Fund. But has he been bought off by the mining industry? Should be giving Adrian Orr a punt up the backside. Why does he refuse to worship at the Altar of Climate Change? Why's he so aggrieved by Debbie and Darleen? And what does he make of Donald Trump?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the Prince of the provinces and he's coming to
a provincial town near you. Sort of a royal visit
really befitting of a prince who has one point two
billion dollars to dish out. Shane, when you're in Dunedin,
why don't we go out and have dinner. But just
remember to put it in your diary.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ah, look you get these, you get these small skirmishers.
People are raking over the coals. Make February's ancient history.
Now there might have been a dinner down there on
the West Coast, and between the poor connectivity in the
West Coast and my office, they're still talking about it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Have you been bought out by the mining industry?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The mining industry has a tremendous contribution to make one
of the most profound resources we've got to New Zealand,
the iron sands off the coast of the North Island.
Sadly it's embroiled in litigation. But in the event that
those investors ever get out of that entanglement and they
have legitimate rights to develop that industry, then we will
(01:00):
not be surprised at the number of Kiwis who find
employment there. But Sadly they don't at the moment have
I legal right. So it's wrong just because I promote industry,
and it's wrong just because I am a great believer
in our natural resources that somehow I've compromised my integrity.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now you're going to be visiting Nelson, Graymouth, obviously Graymouth,
plenty of mining over there, Hamilton, Kaikoe, Fakatani, Martin, Gisbon, Hastings,
yet to be determined, locations in Otago, Southland and Taranaki.
It's tough out in the provinces.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You must be seeing that I've been there, man, I've
been everywhere. Man, I am the everywhere man politician. We've
got a one point two billion dollar fund. My leader
and senior colleagues have said, Shane, can we get out
in the provinces, share the gospel, but most importantly identify
the issues that we and Wellington can focus on improve
(01:55):
the economic circumstances of the regions by actually making change.
And yes, I know one point two billion is not
going to go a long way, but it's a co
investment fund and I'm sure that one in one can
be made to equal three in this context.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Now, the best thing you could do which you can't do.
But it was good to see at least David Seymour
taking a stronger line rhetoric wise on this one as Kave,
Adrian Orra punt up the backside and tell them to
drop the ocr before the lights are turned off on
the New Zealand economy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Ah, of course we need to reduce the cost of money. Look,
I remember surviving through the global financial crisis that was
two and eight twenty ten. My family had a whole
host of interests in economic enterprises. I think the circumstances
facing a lot of regional New Zealand enterprises are worse
now than they were back in the global financial crisis,
(02:47):
And sadly we're not seeing a monetary impulse coming from
the Reserve Bank. We're seeing the opposite and we are
unable to generate a fiscal impulse of a scale that
John Key had access to back in those So that
leaves foreign direct investment in the right areas and I'm
hoping to increase it because I've just come back from
Australia our more development of our minerals resource with Ossie money.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You are the man behind the billion tree planting program.
Is that back on the cards. Now, bearing in mind
that we haven't been able to we're no longer able
to meet our third emissions budget.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
We're going to be very careful that decarbonization doesn't become deindustrialization.
I've seen in Australia, they themselves are entangled as their
political calculus gets more problematic with the growth of the
greens and the growth of the teals over there. But
these green hobbits are not going to be permitted by
(03:45):
New Zealand. First New Zealand to undermine the existence of
our industry. We have the ability to achieve net net
climate change positive outcomes. This notion that you have to
cut down every chimney stack and that you have to
close down industry to enjoy some green nirvana when India,
(04:08):
when China are building coal fired power stations every day,
in my view, leaves bear the falsehoods of that Green party.
But most importantly, Mate, I'm never going to alter. I'm
never going to worship at the altar of climate change gods.
If you want God, go to church.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So in other words, in summary, if we plant enough trees,
were okay.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We should always have been planting trees. And I know
you shot me down several years ago for being the
billion Tree, the billion Tree character. But hey, you know,
I'll take it on the chin. But it's comforting to
know I was three or four years too early before
my time with such wisdom.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You've got great rhetoric, I'll give you that. I see
you've called out Debbie Nariwa Paka. You've said she smiles
like tinker Bell. But the rhetoric is from blinking hell.
Nice rhyming there, Shane. And this is fair enough because
she's running around using words like genocide that I personally
find it insulting.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, I personally find it deeply offensive. I actually did
a study when I got to know the severity of
the situation where the Campuchia had tried to wipe out
half of their population. Those words should never be cheapened.
But Debbie Packer does not belong in parliament. Debbie pack
(05:28):
and the Maldi Party are not a political party. They
are a tiny, misguided group of activists funded by the taxpayer,
seeking to radicalize a younger group of Mildi voters. Well,
i'll tell you what I met. A lot of those
Maldi voters in per I bumped into them when I
was up on my way up to Karata. One of
the reasons why they're working over there. They're sick to
(05:50):
death of the deficit like culture that infects the Maldi
Party and no one is sadly making a greater career
out of it than Debbie Packer. The sooner that she
goes the way of Darling Tanna, the better well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Darling Tanner's going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Darling Tanner is on her way to complete political obscurity.
She actually isn't an extraordinary outcome. The Green Party jumped
out of the Alliance Party. They were never elected to
Parliament initially as a Green Party, so they did the
dirty on Jim Andton. Then they hate their Woker Jumping bill,
but they're going to have to use the Waker Jumping
(06:25):
Bill to ensure that Darling Tanner, already obscure, retires from
the field to play. And Darlen should not be personally
putting her in her family through this ordeal. Her time
is over in terms of a political career and having
political influence. More importantly, Debbie Packers in the same position.
It's just that she hasn't woken up to the fact
(06:46):
that the voters don't want her any long.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay, just to finish on someone whose political career is
far from finished. And I know you've spent a lot
of time in the States, and I know you got
you very interested in American politics, just like I am.
Donald Trump. You couldn't write a script like the Last Week.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Mate, that you know they say about Maradona, the Maradonna,
the hand of God. There's almost something providential as to
what happened to that guy. What an extraordinary outcome, and
the average mortal in the political world in New Zealand,
you have one or three scrapes and your advisors start
to worry, and then people start to talk, maybe it's
time to move on. He's got so many cases, countless
(07:27):
allegations against him, and it just seems to power whatever
political DNA exists within his heart, his mind and his spirit,
most extraordinary individual.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Just to finish on, wasn't that bizarre uncanny, that Iwajima
like image that came out from that assassination attempt?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I can remember you and I had this discussion.
I can remember when Kennedy was shot, the young younger
brother Bobby, and I remember where I was with Michael Jackson.
I was still at S Stephens school when Elvis Presley.
I'll remember the day and where I was, and the
time when that image was first shown to us as
(08:10):
New Zealanders with the flag in the back, clutching his ear,
surrounded by some pretty average security service individuals. I have
to say, no, it's an image seared into the psyche,
I would say, the Western political world.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now, I'll have a statue on the West Coast very similar,
shortly fighting fighting the Greenees in there with the New
Zealand flag behind you. What do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's sure as hell won't be the multi party flag
broke see a Shane
Here's the Prince of the provinces and he's coming to
a provincial town near you. Sort of a royal visit
really befitting of a prince who has one point two
billion dollars to dish out. Shane, when you're in Dunedin,
why don't we go out and have dinner. But just
remember to put it in your diary.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ah, look you get these, you get these small skirmishers.
People are raking over the coals. Make February's ancient history.
Now there might have been a dinner down there on
the West Coast, and between the poor connectivity in the
West Coast and my office, they're still talking about it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Have you been bought out by the mining industry?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The mining industry has a tremendous contribution to make one
of the most profound resources we've got to New Zealand,
the iron sands off the coast of the North Island.
Sadly it's embroiled in litigation. But in the event that
those investors ever get out of that entanglement and they
have legitimate rights to develop that industry, then we will
(01:00):
not be surprised at the number of Kiwis who find
employment there. But Sadly they don't at the moment have
I legal right. So it's wrong just because I promote industry,
and it's wrong just because I am a great believer
in our natural resources that somehow I've compromised my integrity.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now you're going to be visiting Nelson, Graymouth, obviously Graymouth,
plenty of mining over there, Hamilton, Kaikoe, Fakatani, Martin, Gisbon, Hastings,
yet to be determined, locations in Otago, Southland and Taranaki.
It's tough out in the provinces.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You must be seeing that I've been there, man, I've
been everywhere. Man, I am the everywhere man politician. We've
got a one point two billion dollar fund. My leader
and senior colleagues have said, Shane, can we get out
in the provinces, share the gospel, but most importantly identify
the issues that we and Wellington can focus on improve
(01:55):
the economic circumstances of the regions by actually making change.
And yes, I know one point two billion is not
going to go a long way, but it's a co
investment fund and I'm sure that one in one can
be made to equal three in this context.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Now, the best thing you could do which you can't do.
But it was good to see at least David Seymour
taking a stronger line rhetoric wise on this one as Kave,
Adrian Orra punt up the backside and tell them to
drop the ocr before the lights are turned off on
the New Zealand economy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Ah, of course we need to reduce the cost of money. Look,
I remember surviving through the global financial crisis that was
two and eight twenty ten. My family had a whole
host of interests in economic enterprises. I think the circumstances
facing a lot of regional New Zealand enterprises are worse
now than they were back in the global financial crisis,
(02:47):
And sadly we're not seeing a monetary impulse coming from
the Reserve Bank. We're seeing the opposite and we are
unable to generate a fiscal impulse of a scale that
John Key had access to back in those So that
leaves foreign direct investment in the right areas and I'm
hoping to increase it because I've just come back from
Australia our more development of our minerals resource with Ossie money.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You are the man behind the billion tree planting program.
Is that back on the cards. Now, bearing in mind
that we haven't been able to we're no longer able
to meet our third emissions budget.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
We're going to be very careful that decarbonization doesn't become deindustrialization.
I've seen in Australia, they themselves are entangled as their
political calculus gets more problematic with the growth of the
greens and the growth of the teals over there. But
these green hobbits are not going to be permitted by
(03:45):
New Zealand. First New Zealand to undermine the existence of
our industry. We have the ability to achieve net net
climate change positive outcomes. This notion that you have to
cut down every chimney stack and that you have to
close down industry to enjoy some green nirvana when India,
(04:08):
when China are building coal fired power stations every day,
in my view, leaves bear the falsehoods of that Green party.
But most importantly, Mate, I'm never going to alter. I'm
never going to worship at the altar of climate change gods.
If you want God, go to church.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So in other words, in summary, if we plant enough trees,
were okay.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We should always have been planting trees. And I know
you shot me down several years ago for being the
billion Tree, the billion Tree character. But hey, you know,
I'll take it on the chin. But it's comforting to
know I was three or four years too early before
my time with such wisdom.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You've got great rhetoric, I'll give you that. I see
you've called out Debbie Nariwa Paka. You've said she smiles
like tinker Bell. But the rhetoric is from blinking hell.
Nice rhyming there, Shane. And this is fair enough because
she's running around using words like genocide that I personally
find it insulting.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, I personally find it deeply offensive. I actually did
a study when I got to know the severity of
the situation where the Campuchia had tried to wipe out
half of their population. Those words should never be cheapened.
But Debbie Packer does not belong in parliament. Debbie pack
(05:28):
and the Maldi Party are not a political party. They
are a tiny, misguided group of activists funded by the taxpayer,
seeking to radicalize a younger group of Mildi voters. Well,
i'll tell you what I met. A lot of those
Maldi voters in per I bumped into them when I
was up on my way up to Karata. One of
the reasons why they're working over there. They're sick to
(05:50):
death of the deficit like culture that infects the Maldi
Party and no one is sadly making a greater career
out of it than Debbie Packer. The sooner that she
goes the way of Darling Tanna, the better well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Darling Tanner's going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Darling Tanner is on her way to complete political obscurity.
She actually isn't an extraordinary outcome. The Green Party jumped
out of the Alliance Party. They were never elected to
Parliament initially as a Green Party, so they did the
dirty on Jim Andton. Then they hate their Woker Jumping bill,
but they're going to have to use the Waker Jumping
(06:25):
Bill to ensure that Darling Tanner, already obscure, retires from
the field to play. And Darlen should not be personally
putting her in her family through this ordeal. Her time
is over in terms of a political career and having
political influence. More importantly, Debbie Packers in the same position.
It's just that she hasn't woken up to the fact
(06:46):
that the voters don't want her any long.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay, just to finish on someone whose political career is
far from finished. And I know you've spent a lot
of time in the States, and I know you got
you very interested in American politics, just like I am.
Donald Trump. You couldn't write a script like the Last Week.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Mate, that you know they say about Maradona, the Maradonna,
the hand of God. There's almost something providential as to
what happened to that guy. What an extraordinary outcome, and
the average mortal in the political world in New Zealand,
you have one or three scrapes and your advisors start
to worry, and then people start to talk, maybe it's
time to move on. He's got so many cases, countless
(07:27):
allegations against him, and it just seems to power whatever
political DNA exists within his heart, his mind and his spirit,
most extraordinary individual.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Just to finish on, wasn't that bizarre uncanny, that Iwajima
like image that came out from that assassination attempt?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I can remember you and I had this discussion.
I can remember when Kennedy was shot, the young younger
brother Bobby, and I remember where I was with Michael Jackson.
I was still at S Stephens school when Elvis Presley.
I'll remember the day and where I was, and the
time when that image was first shown to us as
(08:10):
New Zealanders with the flag in the back, clutching his ear,
surrounded by some pretty average security service individuals. I have
to say, no, it's an image seared into the psyche,
I would say, the Western political world.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now, I'll have a statue on the West Coast very similar,
shortly fighting fighting the Greenees in there with the New
Zealand flag behind you. What do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's sure as hell won't be the multi party flag
broke see a Shane
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