The Country 18/07/25: Bryce McKenzie talks to Jamie Mackay

We ask the Groundswell co-founder if he’s been barking at cars when it comes to pulling out of the Paris Agreement?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We love your feedback here on the country, and I've
been getting plenty this week from this man. His name
is Bryce McKenzie, co founder of Groundswell.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I think on Wednesday's show, I got a text from
a guy by the name of Glenn who said, Jamie,
when are you going to give you, mate, Bryce McKenzie
an uppercut over his misinformation about Paris. The PM just
told us the truth and this obviously followed the Wednesday's
interview with Prime Minister Christopher Luxen. Glenn goes on to write,

(00:29):
leaving Paris will make all of us farmers poorer by
about two dollars a kilogram. I reckon. I assume he's
talking about milk solid price there. He may well be
talking about meat as well. Who knows. Okay, Bryce McKenzie,
we're going to give you the writer reply. Have you
been barking at cars over Paris?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
This is probably a little bit like that, Jamie, how
are you listeners? This is an interesting one from Glenn,
isn't it? Because he's accusing us of misinformation. That's bread misinformation.
But see Brent's come up with this figure of two
dollars of kilogram milk.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Solids sorry, Bryce, who's Brent?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh? Sorry, Glenn? I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, you're spreading, you're spreading misinformation, defaming bread, carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I am, well, I don't know where he gets this
two dollars from, because the last time I looked the
sixty odd countries that go under the Global dairy Trade
and some of them are cell milk on that as well.
So as he suggesting that the global dairy trade is
going to drop two dollars a kilogram, and if he's

(01:39):
talking about meat right now, I mean America just can't
get enough of our beef anyway, and they're pulling out
of the Paris Accords, so I don't think they're going
to boycott buying our meat.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, okay, well let's add some context to this. As
far as I'm aware, the old Trump say, yeah, he's
going to get out of Paris, but he does things
differently than most world leaders. The other countries pulling out
are Libya, Yemen, Iran, Eritrea, and South Sudan. So we're
in with some rippers there, Bryce, if we do pull out.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, but the other ones aren't honoring it, Jamie. I
mean there's one hundred and ninety four countries signed into it.
They were supposed to have their targets in at Paris
a court, and of course there's only fifteen countries that
had put them in, So I mean other ones aren't
playing their part anyway, Jamie said, what is the point

(02:29):
in it if all the countries have signed into it
aren't doing anything.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, it appears that we're not going to meet our
commitments by twenty thirty anyhow.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, and that's the other thing, because you know, I
think the Taxpayers Union did some sort of costing on
it and come up with twenty four billion if we
miss out, which the government said we're not going to
pay anyway. But if you take that into consideration, who's
going to pay that anyway? How much a kilogram of
milk is that going to cost us? Or a kilogram

(02:59):
from Is.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That Taxpayers Union the same outfit the funds.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You worsh if they can you get them to send
us some money, Jamie, because they're a bit strap case.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Straps, So there's no there's no connection between the Taxpayers
Union and Groundswell.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, we're getting off subject, but a little. Yes, Like
when we first started, Jordan Williams contacted and said could
we he do as social media, and yes he did
do it for something like two and a half years,
but no he doesn't do that now. So there's no
contact with the taxpayers Union.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
See Bryce, I tipped my hat to you guys at
ground Swell you and Lurie. I mean, you didn't really
want to do this, but you took up the challenge
under an awful labor government that was completely shafting farming.
I think you made the industry good bodies buck up
and take a harder line. I think well done you
for that. But now are you effectively redundant to be

(04:00):
fair to this government? I don't think they could do
much more for farming.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, look, they have done a lot of god and
you can't take that away from them. Jay, that there's
still things that are sneaking through. And look, you look
at some of the adverse effects of Paris Accord, and
I mean there's a lot of them, and they're not
just skeermongering, and that they're actually happening, and that you know,
there's a lot of food producing land, detrimental impacts on

(04:28):
rural communities profound, and there are irreversible effects on landscapes,
increased poor water quality, lots of indigenous bio diversity, increased
fire risk, and you can go on and on and on.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Now, what do you say to people like Federated Farmers
President Wayne Langford. I write as a bloke, and I
think he's a fairly level headed sort of character. He
said he sat in rooms with dairy company leaders who
have said, and you're a dairy farmer, Bryce, who have
said it could shave as much as three dollars a
p kilogram of milk solids off the dairy price. So

(05:04):
why would we even be talking about it? That is
a quote from Wayne Langford.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, look, Jamie, we're not saying there may not be
any adjustment. Maybe there is, but we're dying a death
by a thousand cuts anyway with the Paris Agreement, So
why are we staying in there? And anyway, how can
they say that there's been no cost analysis done on
the being in or out of Paris? So these are

(05:31):
just figures that are being plucked out of the year
and it's all part of just gear mangering.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, Bryce, on that note, I'll better go. Thanks for
your time, Okay, Thanks Jamie,