September 17, 2025 • 8 mins
The Prince of the Provinces has finally been crowned the NZ First Deputy Leader, and today he talks about Stuart Nash, Environment Canterbury declaring a “Nitrate Emergency”, and saving Yellow Eyed Penguins (but what about the dolphins, skinks, lizards and blind frogs?).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A bit of CCR at the behest of our first
guest on the show today, Shane Jones, Big credence fan.
Good afternoon, Shane.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, greeting's folks all the way from Wellingtown.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now you are officially the New Zealand first Deputy leader.
I never realized that you weren't in that position. Why
did you make a song and dance about your appointment?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh well, Winston wanted to formalize it, and well it
stopped people comparing me to Prince Charles waiting anxiously on
the edge of the So for what's going to happen
to Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
See, I've got a conspiracy theory, Shane. See, I reckon
Winston had Stuart n Ash lined up for the position,
but he's sort of sullied the old copy book a week.
But now he's got to go with you. That'll get
a bite.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, him and I worked a hand in Club Winston.
It was Stewie while he made a range of foolish
remarks that Winston's already had a say about that, but
then having seen that he's not the only bloke to
have shot his mouth off on the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In terms of Stuart Nash personally. I like the bloke.
I think he's a straight up and down sort of politician.
Really stupid remark. I'm sure he regrets it immensely. Has
he still got a future in New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
First? Yeah, well he's obviously got to go through the
process and as our vote potential rises, you've got to
maintain a good stable of candidates, a bit of experience,
a bit of obviously vigor and fresh blood. I mean,
we don't want to be like the Green Party down
to number nineteen on the list in order to maintain
(01:39):
their muster in Parliament. Of course we wouldn't have the
range of ferals that they've attracted, But no doubt if
Stue's still keen, there'll be a process there. And look,
he's got redeemable qualities.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Talk to me about the Canterbury Regional Council declaring a
nitrite emergency. They voted yesterday nine to seven in favor
of declaring this emergency. What do you say about that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The Regional Council of Canterbury have corrupted democracy? The person
who moved that motion is not even standing to be
a candidate again. Such a profound motion should never have
been tolerated given that they are in their death throws
as a body of duly elected officials. And if I
(02:32):
have my way, there will be no regional council. They
will cease to exist. And if you ever needed evidence
about how woke riddle virtue signaling randoms are driving economic
pain and hardship onto cockies and the productive sector, look
no further than this woman's Southgate who moved that motion,
(02:55):
I'm advised, and it was supported just to enable christ
Church's version of Jaffers to try and increase their appeal
in the voting public. I think it's bad. I think
it's dangerous and it has no impact on New Zealand.
First in terms of them impressing us. We're going ahead
(03:15):
with the remit that we passed. There will be no
regional councils after the next election.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You might get some support in Canterbury for that also
South when they're not too happy down there either.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But I reckon the best days of your council down
there in the Canterbury area was when they had no
elected members and a lot of things got done under
the redoubtable. Margaret Baisley, And look, we've had other models
in the past I mean the Labor Party introduced a
model where a lot of the health boards were a
mix of elected people, but very technically proficient people appointed
(03:52):
by the minister. And what's happened with a lot of
the regional councils. They've turned into a platform for vanity projects.
They've turned into a platform where a narrow cast of
people with weak accountability are imposing not only their costs
but the most extreme interpretations of environmental nature onto the
(04:13):
god fearing men and women trying to make a living
out of our legacy industry. So it's just not sustainable.
They've long since moved away from pragmatic stop bank management.
Can't even dig gravel out of a road for a
road out of a river, and of course what do
echoes covered with gravel and rocks because people wouldn't allow
those rivers to be dug up. It's madness.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Good to see you going into bat for the farmers,
Shane Jones. You are, of course the Minister of Fisheries
as well. Have you hung the fishermen fisher people of
just to be politically We're woken correct of Otago out
to dry with your overnight blanket ban on set net
fishing on the Otago coast. This is a multimillion dollar business.
(04:58):
You are protecting the penguins, which is laudable, but what
makes them more important than hectors, dolphins, skinks, lizards or
blind frogs.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, there is a lady down there, Chanel Gardner, I
think her name is, and she released a press statement
on behalf of the fishing industry in and around Otago,
encouraging and almost pleading with the government to introduce a
set of measures. That brought us some time to come
(05:32):
up with a permanent set of remedies which may or
may not be a closure. But because it's the nesting
time and there is a sense that fishing is imperiling
the remaining population. But I have to say it is
a difficult decision, and I'm conscious that there are some
(05:53):
families down there. But at the same time there is
a small matter of social license, and we pushed a
great deal of accent an emphasis on the fact that
the phishing leader of that area released a press statement
saying it was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Three hundred and eighty reported Hiho or yellow eyed penguin
deaths are since twenty twenty. Of the three hundred and
eighty reported deaths and this is from the Official Information Act.
Twelve have been by set Net. I'm hearing Shane Jones
that the main reason for the decline and the population,
and it is a bit of a perilous decline, is
(06:30):
due to disease and predation.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, without a doubt, the chicks do suffer various physical
afflictions because they're being picked up and pick into the
Dunedin Bird Hospital. I'm quite sure how that works. And
there are other diseases that are afflicting them and we
are working on a long term mitigation strategy of doctors.
(06:54):
But look, I'd just say often to do a great good,
you have to do a little wrong. And I accept
it in the minds of the local fishes it was
the wrong thing to do, but they wouldn't want to
be branded either unnecessarily as having a disproportionately large impact
on this fragile population. But don't fret, there's no suggestion
(07:17):
that it's going to permanently remain. We bought ourselves some time.
It's different from Marwi's dolphin because there is no Marwi's dolphin.
There's no such thing in the skinks. It's looked every
time a cocky plows up a paddic for barley or
whatever they do down the South Island. There's lots of
skinks who run away or hide so they avoid the
tractor tire. And it's only my beloved mining industry that
(07:40):
gets penalized.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What about the blind frogs. Wouldn't you be unlucky if
you were a blind frog and I don't know, I m
Chri's Flat or somewhere up there where they're doing mining,
and you couldn't get out of the way of the
heavy machinery.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
The blind frog is located in Paramandal, two hundred meters
above the location of the un ground tunnels needed for
mining gold. And what the greenies are telling me is
that when they detonate to expand the tunnel and extract
the gold and various other properties that might be found
under the earth trembles, the earth quivers and it could interfere,
(08:15):
I'm told, with the mating habits of the blind frock. Well,
you know when I went to Saint Stephen's school, when
the earth moved, it had a different meaning.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm sure it did. Well, thank you very much for
your time. We're going to go out with the webit
of CCR and fortunate son. That probably describes you now
because Winston has officially anointed.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You, and I'm very appreciative of the recognition and I'll
get on with the mate. Thank you very much
A bit of CCR at the behest of our first
guest on the show today, Shane Jones, Big credence fan.
Good afternoon, Shane.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, greeting's folks all the way from Wellingtown.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now you are officially the New Zealand first Deputy leader.
I never realized that you weren't in that position. Why
did you make a song and dance about your appointment?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh well, Winston wanted to formalize it, and well it
stopped people comparing me to Prince Charles waiting anxiously on
the edge of the So for what's going to happen
to Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
See, I've got a conspiracy theory, Shane. See, I reckon
Winston had Stuart n Ash lined up for the position,
but he's sort of sullied the old copy book a week.
But now he's got to go with you. That'll get
a bite.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, him and I worked a hand in Club Winston.
It was Stewie while he made a range of foolish
remarks that Winston's already had a say about that, but
then having seen that he's not the only bloke to
have shot his mouth off on the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In terms of Stuart Nash personally. I like the bloke.
I think he's a straight up and down sort of politician.
Really stupid remark. I'm sure he regrets it immensely. Has
he still got a future in New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
First? Yeah, well he's obviously got to go through the
process and as our vote potential rises, you've got to
maintain a good stable of candidates, a bit of experience,
a bit of obviously vigor and fresh blood. I mean,
we don't want to be like the Green Party down
to number nineteen on the list in order to maintain
(01:39):
their muster in Parliament. Of course we wouldn't have the
range of ferals that they've attracted, But no doubt if
Stue's still keen, there'll be a process there. And look,
he's got redeemable qualities.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Talk to me about the Canterbury Regional Council declaring a
nitrite emergency. They voted yesterday nine to seven in favor
of declaring this emergency. What do you say about that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The Regional Council of Canterbury have corrupted democracy? The person
who moved that motion is not even standing to be
a candidate again. Such a profound motion should never have
been tolerated given that they are in their death throws
as a body of duly elected officials. And if I
(02:32):
have my way, there will be no regional council. They
will cease to exist. And if you ever needed evidence
about how woke riddle virtue signaling randoms are driving economic
pain and hardship onto cockies and the productive sector, look
no further than this woman's Southgate who moved that motion,
(02:55):
I'm advised, and it was supported just to enable christ
Church's version of Jaffers to try and increase their appeal
in the voting public. I think it's bad. I think
it's dangerous and it has no impact on New Zealand.
First in terms of them impressing us. We're going ahead
(03:15):
with the remit that we passed. There will be no
regional councils after the next election.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You might get some support in Canterbury for that also
South when they're not too happy down there either.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But I reckon the best days of your council down
there in the Canterbury area was when they had no
elected members and a lot of things got done under
the redoubtable. Margaret Baisley, And look, we've had other models
in the past I mean the Labor Party introduced a
model where a lot of the health boards were a
mix of elected people, but very technically proficient people appointed
(03:52):
by the minister. And what's happened with a lot of
the regional councils. They've turned into a platform for vanity projects.
They've turned into a platform where a narrow cast of
people with weak accountability are imposing not only their costs
but the most extreme interpretations of environmental nature onto the
(04:13):
god fearing men and women trying to make a living
out of our legacy industry. So it's just not sustainable.
They've long since moved away from pragmatic stop bank management.
Can't even dig gravel out of a road for a
road out of a river, and of course what do
echoes covered with gravel and rocks because people wouldn't allow
those rivers to be dug up. It's madness.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Good to see you going into bat for the farmers,
Shane Jones. You are, of course the Minister of Fisheries
as well. Have you hung the fishermen fisher people of
just to be politically We're woken correct of Otago out
to dry with your overnight blanket ban on set net
fishing on the Otago coast. This is a multimillion dollar business.
(04:58):
You are protecting the penguins, which is laudable, but what
makes them more important than hectors, dolphins, skinks, lizards or
blind frogs.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, there is a lady down there, Chanel Gardner, I
think her name is, and she released a press statement
on behalf of the fishing industry in and around Otago,
encouraging and almost pleading with the government to introduce a
set of measures. That brought us some time to come
(05:32):
up with a permanent set of remedies which may or
may not be a closure. But because it's the nesting
time and there is a sense that fishing is imperiling
the remaining population. But I have to say it is
a difficult decision, and I'm conscious that there are some
(05:53):
families down there. But at the same time there is
a small matter of social license, and we pushed a
great deal of accent an emphasis on the fact that
the phishing leader of that area released a press statement
saying it was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Three hundred and eighty reported Hiho or yellow eyed penguin
deaths are since twenty twenty. Of the three hundred and
eighty reported deaths and this is from the Official Information Act.
Twelve have been by set Net. I'm hearing Shane Jones
that the main reason for the decline and the population,
and it is a bit of a perilous decline, is
(06:30):
due to disease and predation.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, without a doubt, the chicks do suffer various physical
afflictions because they're being picked up and pick into the
Dunedin Bird Hospital. I'm quite sure how that works. And
there are other diseases that are afflicting them and we
are working on a long term mitigation strategy of doctors.
(06:54):
But look, I'd just say often to do a great good,
you have to do a little wrong. And I accept
it in the minds of the local fishes it was
the wrong thing to do, but they wouldn't want to
be branded either unnecessarily as having a disproportionately large impact
on this fragile population. But don't fret, there's no suggestion
(07:17):
that it's going to permanently remain. We bought ourselves some time.
It's different from Marwi's dolphin because there is no Marwi's dolphin.
There's no such thing in the skinks. It's looked every
time a cocky plows up a paddic for barley or
whatever they do down the South Island. There's lots of
skinks who run away or hide so they avoid the
tractor tire. And it's only my beloved mining industry that
(07:40):
gets penalized.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What about the blind frogs. Wouldn't you be unlucky if
you were a blind frog and I don't know, I m
Chri's Flat or somewhere up there where they're doing mining,
and you couldn't get out of the way of the
heavy machinery.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
The blind frog is located in Paramandal, two hundred meters
above the location of the un ground tunnels needed for
mining gold. And what the greenies are telling me is
that when they detonate to expand the tunnel and extract
the gold and various other properties that might be found
under the earth trembles, the earth quivers and it could interfere,
(08:15):
I'm told, with the mating habits of the blind frock. Well,
you know when I went to Saint Stephen's school, when
the earth moved, it had a different meaning.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm sure it did. Well, thank you very much for
your time. We're going to go out with the webit
of CCR and fortunate son. That probably describes you now
because Winston has officially anointed.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You, and I'm very appreciative of the recognition and I'll
get on with the mate. Thank you very much
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