December 17, 2024 • 6 mins
The PM ponders HYEFU, wasteful Government spending and he comes up with his three nominees for Ag Person of the Year.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kicking off the country the Prime Minister Christopher Luxeen. It
has been a tough week financially. We heard high food yesterday.
We've got two more days of bad announcements and if
that wasn't bad enough, the GDT was down overnight. There
is good news though, Christopher Luxe, and we're looking forward
to your AG Person of the Year. But let's start
with the bad news. High fu worse than expected.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We'll get it, Jamie. Good to be with you as always. Look,
I mean, I know secret to be honest that we've
been here at a tough amoment times and it's been
difficult for news founders, but also just underscores that our
plan is so very important for the future because you know,
the reality is deficits would be higher, they'd be longer
if we just carried on the sped more tax, more
borrow more approach to the last lot. But I'd also
(00:43):
say there are some really encouraging signs that you know
we're turning a corner. We've got inflation in the band,
we've got interest rates down, we've got tax relief on
the way, we've got rising business, consumer and also farmer
confidence at high levels right now.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But you're still hang on, you're still wasting a heck
of a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh look, I mean, we'll just say to you inside
the Parliament in Wellington here. My conversations with cees and
CEOs from all the different agencies from day one has
been Haylsten, every dollar is a taxpayer's dollar. It's not
your money. It needs to be spent ready, purposely and intentionally,
and that is not just a one off exercise of
(01:20):
savings being generated. This is the way we need to
practice each and every day because that's what farmers do
every day. It's what small business owners do every day.
It's what family budgets do every day. It's been my
same message out to councils across his Yland over the
course of this year as well, which is they need
to spend money carefully. When you've had rates fifteen percent,
they need to do the right stuff too.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You know, you could save yourself a hell of a
lot of money if you've changed the age of eligibility
of national souper to sixty seven. And I know it's
over Winston steaed body. I know you'd like to do it,
but that would be a starter.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, you are free to raise that with him when
you next talk to them. But obviously that's a difference
to national New Zealand. First, we think given an aging population,
I think we're aging a year every ten years and
it would be a sensible thing to do, as many
other countries have. You know, many other countries have sixty
seven as their retirement age already, some even higher, and
it's just the reality we're all actually living healthier lives,
(02:15):
longer lives and it sort of makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Do you politicians need to look with him? I know
Todd mcclay's over in India at the moments, are on
his way back and he's doing great work and has
done great work for New Zealand this year. Yeah, yeah,
he might be your AG person of the Year. Who knows.
But I heard Joseph Mooney, the local MP down in
South and I've only met him a couple of times,
good bloke, but he's just come back from India along
(02:38):
with Ingrid Larry who's a Dunedin MP, and Helen Whye
who I think is an Auckland MP, and they met
the Dalai Lama and I'm thinking, hang on who paid
for three backbench MPs? Two of them opposition MPs to
go to India.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, look, I don't know much about.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That, or but you should. You're in charge.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
No, no, I am in charge. But what I have
to say to you is parliaments across the world actually
have a range of exchanges that happen and it's kind
of important, so they actually can actually learn from each
other and actually, but.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
What does it achieve about? What does it achieve ideas?
The Prime minister seriously, what it's like sending Damian O'Connor
on a trade trip to Europe this year. Him and
I had a big fallout over it. A complete waste
of money. I think of the cancer treatment or the
operations that money could be used on. You cannot defend
that spending.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just saying in parliament,
which is the responsibility of a spec and not the
Prime Minister of New Zealand. There has always been exchanges
between parliaments and other liberal western liberal democracies across the world,
and those exchanges are often, frankly kind of you know,
there's some value in them in terms of making sure
that they actually lead to new policy ideas. You know,
(03:53):
because most countries are dealing with some of the same problems.
But having said all of that, I agree with you.
I think we've got to make sure that not wasting
money and it's not just turning into jollies and boodles.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Waste of money. Okay, let's just finish on a positive note.
Your AGG Person of the Year. I know your mates
with Miles Hurrell. Are you going to vote for your buddy?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, I actually think there's three people. Actually, I think
Wayne length It's done a very very good job at
feder Aided Farmers. I think he's lifted the quality of partnership, engagement, thought, leadership,
and I think one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary of
that organization, I actually think it's in good heart and
I think a lot of it is a reset he
and his team have lid I think right. I think
(04:34):
Miles is done a brilliant job actually just doing the business,
getting from Terra sorted, getting it focused on high value
groups and services that give bigger margins that then lead
to better payouts to farm shareholders. And I also think
frankly that Todd McClay, who often called Trade and Clay,
he has done an exceptional job as AG Minister but
(04:54):
also as Trade minister, and I think you'll go down
as one of our greatest trade ministers because honestly from
tayw he has hit the plane, he has done work.
He's in India again. I think it's the seventh time
he's met with the Trade Minister's counterpartner here. I think
it's his fourth visit to India this year alone. But
he's done those three big trade deals, even little tactical
things he did of actually moving the eu FTA forward
(05:18):
so it could actually have some I think we've got
forty five million dollars worth of benefit of that over
winter by just putting it on the on the early
side of summer in the Europe. So the gcc u
AE are and the work that he's been doing he's
an exceptional job too. So there's three for you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, they're three very worthy nominees. Are we going to
pick a winner or is this going to be like
primary school netball and not count the score? Come on,
Prime Minister, lead from the front, pick a winner.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Old Trade, Gold, Trade me play Silver, Miles Harrell and Bronze,
Wayne lathand.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Good on you look, thank you very much for your time.
Thanks for being up for fronting up on the show weekly.
It's very important for provincial and rural New Zealand to
hear from the Prime Minister. And I know you guys
do work incredibly hard. I hope you and your family
have a good break.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and Jamie, can I to say it make thank
you so much for what you and Roweena do on
the Country. It's a fantastic show and it's also you
push me hard as you should and help me to account,
which is great. But I want to say thanks for
what you do. But importantly to all the listeners and
all the farmers out there, Hey listen, I hope you
know that you're deeply, deeply knowed by this government. You're
not villains and you are the future for New Zealand.
(06:20):
I hope you get a chance to reflect and refresh,
recharge after what's been a tough year. And let's get
back into twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Five and give people merry Christmas. See you later.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Thanks mate,
Kicking off the country the Prime Minister Christopher Luxeen. It
has been a tough week financially. We heard high food yesterday.
We've got two more days of bad announcements and if
that wasn't bad enough, the GDT was down overnight. There
is good news though, Christopher Luxe, and we're looking forward
to your AG Person of the Year. But let's start
with the bad news. High fu worse than expected.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We'll get it, Jamie. Good to be with you as always. Look,
I mean, I know secret to be honest that we've
been here at a tough amoment times and it's been
difficult for news founders, but also just underscores that our
plan is so very important for the future because you know,
the reality is deficits would be higher, they'd be longer
if we just carried on the sped more tax, more
borrow more approach to the last lot. But I'd also
(00:43):
say there are some really encouraging signs that you know
we're turning a corner. We've got inflation in the band,
we've got interest rates down, we've got tax relief on
the way, we've got rising business, consumer and also farmer
confidence at high levels right now.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But you're still hang on, you're still wasting a heck
of a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh look, I mean, we'll just say to you inside
the Parliament in Wellington here. My conversations with cees and
CEOs from all the different agencies from day one has
been Haylsten, every dollar is a taxpayer's dollar. It's not
your money. It needs to be spent ready, purposely and intentionally,
and that is not just a one off exercise of
(01:20):
savings being generated. This is the way we need to
practice each and every day because that's what farmers do
every day. It's what small business owners do every day.
It's what family budgets do every day. It's been my
same message out to councils across his Yland over the
course of this year as well, which is they need
to spend money carefully. When you've had rates fifteen percent,
they need to do the right stuff too.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You know, you could save yourself a hell of a
lot of money if you've changed the age of eligibility
of national souper to sixty seven. And I know it's
over Winston steaed body. I know you'd like to do it,
but that would be a starter.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, you are free to raise that with him when
you next talk to them. But obviously that's a difference
to national New Zealand. First, we think given an aging population,
I think we're aging a year every ten years and
it would be a sensible thing to do, as many
other countries have. You know, many other countries have sixty
seven as their retirement age already, some even higher, and
it's just the reality we're all actually living healthier lives,
(02:15):
longer lives and it sort of makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Do you politicians need to look with him? I know
Todd mcclay's over in India at the moments, are on
his way back and he's doing great work and has
done great work for New Zealand this year. Yeah, yeah,
he might be your AG person of the Year. Who knows.
But I heard Joseph Mooney, the local MP down in
South and I've only met him a couple of times,
good bloke, but he's just come back from India along
(02:38):
with Ingrid Larry who's a Dunedin MP, and Helen Whye
who I think is an Auckland MP, and they met
the Dalai Lama and I'm thinking, hang on who paid
for three backbench MPs? Two of them opposition MPs to
go to India.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, look, I don't know much about.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That, or but you should. You're in charge.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
No, no, I am in charge. But what I have
to say to you is parliaments across the world actually
have a range of exchanges that happen and it's kind
of important, so they actually can actually learn from each
other and actually, but.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
What does it achieve about? What does it achieve ideas?
The Prime minister seriously, what it's like sending Damian O'Connor
on a trade trip to Europe this year. Him and
I had a big fallout over it. A complete waste
of money. I think of the cancer treatment or the
operations that money could be used on. You cannot defend
that spending.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just saying in parliament,
which is the responsibility of a spec and not the
Prime Minister of New Zealand. There has always been exchanges
between parliaments and other liberal western liberal democracies across the world,
and those exchanges are often, frankly kind of you know,
there's some value in them in terms of making sure
that they actually lead to new policy ideas. You know,
(03:53):
because most countries are dealing with some of the same problems.
But having said all of that, I agree with you.
I think we've got to make sure that not wasting
money and it's not just turning into jollies and boodles.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Waste of money. Okay, let's just finish on a positive note.
Your AGG Person of the Year. I know your mates
with Miles Hurrell. Are you going to vote for your buddy?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, I actually think there's three people. Actually, I think
Wayne length It's done a very very good job at
feder Aided Farmers. I think he's lifted the quality of partnership, engagement, thought, leadership,
and I think one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary of
that organization, I actually think it's in good heart and
I think a lot of it is a reset he
and his team have lid I think right. I think
(04:34):
Miles is done a brilliant job actually just doing the business,
getting from Terra sorted, getting it focused on high value
groups and services that give bigger margins that then lead
to better payouts to farm shareholders. And I also think
frankly that Todd McClay, who often called Trade and Clay,
he has done an exceptional job as AG Minister but
(04:54):
also as Trade minister, and I think you'll go down
as one of our greatest trade ministers because honestly from
tayw he has hit the plane, he has done work.
He's in India again. I think it's the seventh time
he's met with the Trade Minister's counterpartner here. I think
it's his fourth visit to India this year alone. But
he's done those three big trade deals, even little tactical
things he did of actually moving the eu FTA forward
(05:18):
so it could actually have some I think we've got
forty five million dollars worth of benefit of that over
winter by just putting it on the on the early
side of summer in the Europe. So the gcc u
AE are and the work that he's been doing he's
an exceptional job too. So there's three for you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, they're three very worthy nominees. Are we going to
pick a winner or is this going to be like
primary school netball and not count the score? Come on,
Prime Minister, lead from the front, pick a winner.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Old Trade, Gold, Trade me play Silver, Miles Harrell and Bronze,
Wayne lathand.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Good on you look, thank you very much for your time.
Thanks for being up for fronting up on the show weekly.
It's very important for provincial and rural New Zealand to
hear from the Prime Minister. And I know you guys
do work incredibly hard. I hope you and your family
have a good break.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and Jamie, can I to say it make thank
you so much for what you and Roweena do on
the Country. It's a fantastic show and it's also you
push me hard as you should and help me to account,
which is great. But I want to say thanks for
what you do. But importantly to all the listeners and
all the farmers out there, Hey listen, I hope you
know that you're deeply, deeply knowed by this government. You're
not villains and you are the future for New Zealand.
(06:20):
I hope you get a chance to reflect and refresh,
recharge after what's been a tough year. And let's get
back into twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Five and give people merry Christmas. See you later.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Thanks mate,
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