November 19, 2024 • 6 mins
The Deputy PM has his say on the fallout from yesterday's mass Hikoi on Parliament and we ask whether it was an anti-Seymour or anti-Government protest.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters joins us. Now he's
quoted in the Herald this morning are saying he's seen
far larger protests than yesterday's and and he's looking back on,
for instance, the Springbok tour protests of the nineteen eighties.
Mister Peters said he did not understand why people felt
they needed to march, given the legislation was unlikely to
(00:23):
become law. We understand it won't or can't become law.
New Zealand first also voted for it at the first reading,
but won't when it comes up in the House again.
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters joins us, So did you
face the music yesterday? Did you go out and go
toe to toe with the protesters? No?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I didn't because there was a request from the protest organizers,
and deliberately so, because it was done to Parimari. There
was no request for us to talk to them and
if they wanted to to have a dialog, and Maria
said him, and that's what it was. Then that we
should have been asked to do so, because we weren't.
(01:04):
I didn't walk out there and do it, as against
previous times, countless times in past the three and when
the vaccine people were protesting here, I was invited by
there to see them, and I came down and saw them.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So you're happy to support the anti vexers but not
the Maori party.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I'm was happy to respond to the anti vexers
when they said, well, we come and talk to us,
and I said, yes, I will. If Arimari had not
been running the show and want properly, we'd have been
invited all of us to put outside of the story
and to speak when we weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Did David Seymore make a mistake by trying to address
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, I think in the end, the way that it
was unfolding, there was no chance for him to arrest
the crowd. So that's over him when he made a
mistake or not. But there was no chance I think
he to go and show his face. But in terms
of speaking, not being invioled properly by an MC doing
(02:03):
the job properly, why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Was this he koy an anti c Moore protest against
his treaty principal Bill? Or is it a bigger issue?
Has the net been cast wider than that? Was this
just an out and out anti government protest or march.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, it was the trigger issue. But as I said
to them, if they were concerned about this legislation, whyn't
they give me a phone call and I could poll
tell them that, like a lot of legislation that comes
before Parliament, he has no chance of succeeding because of
the decision that we had stated in terms of them
here where free to look at and have you to
look at athletic and a hearing. But after that that
(02:43):
said we do not support this legislation. I made it
very clear because it's based on something that is a myth.
There are no prisons treaty white taking and since ninety
seventy five on to eighty seven they are in. All
these judges and political scientists and university lecturers all rested
with they can't agree on anything on this matter. So
why don't we wpen up to the fact. As an
(03:03):
artists said out one hundred and two years ago. One
hundred two years ago, I said this Britance Mari law
and law scholar felt a law degree in a record
time and then be passed anyone else is all the
way to get to a master's degree. Dtor literature and
the pull out of yards and a one hundred and
two years ago. He said it out, well, it was
what it wasn't And yet we've got this attempt to
(03:25):
try and say today what it was, which judges have
been trying to do and they have never been able
to agree on the most fundamental things. What are these
principles and who's making them up? Because it wasn't in
the Treaty of Wadahi Suga eighteen forty.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now let's go to the nineteen nineties. You clashed swords
on numerous occasions. From my memory. Anyhow, with Jenny Shipley
these days, Dame Jenny Shipley was she totally out of
line saying that New Zealand is headed for civil war.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Look was alaughing that the media gave it so much attention.
With the greatest respect to Jenny sheppid, what does she
know about this issue? I did clash and iron NAIs
because what happened was I shook hands with a guy
called Jim Bolger forgot to pass and try to form
a government, not knowing that in behind the scene while
they allering on lash night, as Bolger said, when on
(04:13):
the night we made the decision to go with natural.
They're all cheering. They told me that on Earth they
were cheering that I didn't realize that some of our
cheering because well they had planned suture time to roll
be Do you know what I mean? That's the said,
And I've got no papers. When you shake someone's hand
in this business, you keep your word.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Uh. Going back to the outburst in parliament last week,
why can't we tidy up behavior and dress code because
it's a bit like the wild Western there cowboy hats,
finger pointing guns, it's like kids. Should those two party marimps,
particularly the three who got down on the floor there,
(04:53):
should they be facing more severe punishment than just one
of them being named.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The three of them are being subject to a complaint
of the Speak of the House, and I'll see his
breach of privalent that he has to decide, so I
can't come in on that with him. We'll know more
if they have got a tomorrow morning to put their reply,
and we'll know decisions very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
A final question for you, how does the world And
this is not to do with the he coy or
protests in parliament or bad behavior or cowboy hats or
anything like that well, maybe it has a wee bit
to do with being cowboys. How does the world negotiate
the limping and kind of lame duck finish of the
Biden administration? Is this a danger period until Trump takes over?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, but there's always the interregnum between the election night
Super Tuesday in America and the twentyeth general next year
when the president gets fought in. There's always been this.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I know, but this but you have to have
metter and you're a student of political history, you know.
But this is different because basically Biden had been sidelined
about two or three months ago. I can't remember another
instance of that happening.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Probably is one going back one hundred and forty years,
but perhaps two two events like this. But here's the point.
You have to admit that since the election by it
was looking pretty sharp.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
He has looked really sharp, and he's smiling and other
he's probably got a huge load off his back.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
All right, Well, what do you have that huge load
off your back when you are no longer the deputy
Prime Minister and you hand it over to your good
mate David Seymour.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Our job is to serve the country, is not our
position that as important. I've never been a person for honors, Bibles.
Once time a person put the bubbles of elbson, I've
put it in a long career.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
All right, good on you appreciate your time. I realized
you're a busy man being Deputy Prime Minister. Thanks and
straight straighten out that behavior in parliament.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You can count on me, okay,
Well, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters joins us. Now he's
quoted in the Herald this morning are saying he's seen
far larger protests than yesterday's and and he's looking back on,
for instance, the Springbok tour protests of the nineteen eighties.
Mister Peters said he did not understand why people felt
they needed to march, given the legislation was unlikely to
(00:23):
become law. We understand it won't or can't become law.
New Zealand first also voted for it at the first reading,
but won't when it comes up in the House again.
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters joins us, So did you
face the music yesterday? Did you go out and go
toe to toe with the protesters? No?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I didn't because there was a request from the protest organizers,
and deliberately so, because it was done to Parimari. There
was no request for us to talk to them and
if they wanted to to have a dialog, and Maria
said him, and that's what it was. Then that we
should have been asked to do so, because we weren't.
(01:04):
I didn't walk out there and do it, as against
previous times, countless times in past the three and when
the vaccine people were protesting here, I was invited by
there to see them, and I came down and saw them.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So you're happy to support the anti vexers but not
the Maori party.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I'm was happy to respond to the anti vexers
when they said, well, we come and talk to us,
and I said, yes, I will. If Arimari had not
been running the show and want properly, we'd have been
invited all of us to put outside of the story
and to speak when we weren't.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Did David Seymore make a mistake by trying to address
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, I think in the end, the way that it
was unfolding, there was no chance for him to arrest
the crowd. So that's over him when he made a
mistake or not. But there was no chance I think
he to go and show his face. But in terms
of speaking, not being invioled properly by an MC doing
(02:03):
the job properly, why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Was this he koy an anti c Moore protest against
his treaty principal Bill? Or is it a bigger issue?
Has the net been cast wider than that? Was this
just an out and out anti government protest or march.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, it was the trigger issue. But as I said
to them, if they were concerned about this legislation, whyn't
they give me a phone call and I could poll
tell them that, like a lot of legislation that comes
before Parliament, he has no chance of succeeding because of
the decision that we had stated in terms of them
here where free to look at and have you to
look at athletic and a hearing. But after that that
(02:43):
said we do not support this legislation. I made it
very clear because it's based on something that is a myth.
There are no prisons treaty white taking and since ninety
seventy five on to eighty seven they are in. All
these judges and political scientists and university lecturers all rested
with they can't agree on anything on this matter. So
why don't we wpen up to the fact. As an
(03:03):
artists said out one hundred and two years ago. One
hundred two years ago, I said this Britance Mari law
and law scholar felt a law degree in a record
time and then be passed anyone else is all the
way to get to a master's degree. Dtor literature and
the pull out of yards and a one hundred and
two years ago. He said it out, well, it was
what it wasn't And yet we've got this attempt to
(03:25):
try and say today what it was, which judges have
been trying to do and they have never been able
to agree on the most fundamental things. What are these
principles and who's making them up? Because it wasn't in
the Treaty of Wadahi Suga eighteen forty.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now let's go to the nineteen nineties. You clashed swords
on numerous occasions. From my memory. Anyhow, with Jenny Shipley
these days, Dame Jenny Shipley was she totally out of
line saying that New Zealand is headed for civil war.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Look was alaughing that the media gave it so much attention.
With the greatest respect to Jenny sheppid, what does she
know about this issue? I did clash and iron NAIs
because what happened was I shook hands with a guy
called Jim Bolger forgot to pass and try to form
a government, not knowing that in behind the scene while
they allering on lash night, as Bolger said, when on
(04:13):
the night we made the decision to go with natural.
They're all cheering. They told me that on Earth they
were cheering that I didn't realize that some of our
cheering because well they had planned suture time to roll
be Do you know what I mean? That's the said,
And I've got no papers. When you shake someone's hand
in this business, you keep your word.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Uh. Going back to the outburst in parliament last week,
why can't we tidy up behavior and dress code because
it's a bit like the wild Western there cowboy hats,
finger pointing guns, it's like kids. Should those two party marimps,
particularly the three who got down on the floor there,
(04:53):
should they be facing more severe punishment than just one
of them being named.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The three of them are being subject to a complaint
of the Speak of the House, and I'll see his
breach of privalent that he has to decide, so I
can't come in on that with him. We'll know more
if they have got a tomorrow morning to put their reply,
and we'll know decisions very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
A final question for you, how does the world And
this is not to do with the he coy or
protests in parliament or bad behavior or cowboy hats or
anything like that well, maybe it has a wee bit
to do with being cowboys. How does the world negotiate
the limping and kind of lame duck finish of the
Biden administration? Is this a danger period until Trump takes over?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, but there's always the interregnum between the election night
Super Tuesday in America and the twentyeth general next year
when the president gets fought in. There's always been this.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I know, but this but you have to have
metter and you're a student of political history, you know.
But this is different because basically Biden had been sidelined
about two or three months ago. I can't remember another
instance of that happening.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Probably is one going back one hundred and forty years,
but perhaps two two events like this. But here's the point.
You have to admit that since the election by it
was looking pretty sharp.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
He has looked really sharp, and he's smiling and other
he's probably got a huge load off his back.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
All right, Well, what do you have that huge load
off your back when you are no longer the deputy
Prime Minister and you hand it over to your good
mate David Seymour.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Our job is to serve the country, is not our
position that as important. I've never been a person for honors, Bibles.
Once time a person put the bubbles of elbson, I've
put it in a long career.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
All right, good on you appreciate your time. I realized
you're a busy man being Deputy Prime Minister. Thanks and
straight straighten out that behavior in parliament.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You can count on me, okay,
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