July 21, 2025 • 6 mins
North Otago farmer and former winner of the Ballance Farm Environment Awards. Today we jointly enjoy some outrage over Paris, protests and Net Zero banking.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
She is a North Otago farmer enjoying a lovely frosty
morning followed by a beautiful day on the farm. She's
also a former winner of the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
Her name is Jane Smith. Now, Jane, I'm ready to
be outraged by climate liberation aart a Rower? Are you
ready to be outraged by us being still in the
(00:20):
Paris Agreement or accord? And the fact that the Commerce
Commission has dismissed Federated Farmer's complaint on net zero banking?
Where do you want to start? What outrage do you
want to begin with?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, well, I guess I'm good afternoon. Jamie Parris is
our friend. I think that's a really unpalatable line, especially
coming from anyone that does support the very good Save
our Sheep campaign. Anyone that's a gas about pine trees,
carbon farming, that taxonomy, bent cartels, all of those things
are actually symptoms of the bigger problem. I mean, the
(00:53):
bigger problem is a Paris accord. But it seems to
be sort of have this holier than their drafting gates that,
you know, supposedly our sole reason that the world allows
us to sell our wears on a global stage and
I don't recall, you know, when we signed up to this,
and when was that about ten years ago? Isn't it
the sender twenty fifteen, our milk and meat prices, you know,
(01:14):
magically going up? And can I remind both your listeners,
both urban and rule that you know the Paris Agreement
costs is at least a twenty four billion dollar commitment
by twenty thirty, which is just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
None. But hang on, Jane, hang on, we're not going
to pay that. The government's already said we're not going
to part because we've got these targets to meet. We're
clearly not going to meet them by twenty thirty, and
Emperor's new clothes or whatever you want to call it, Basically,
there will be no punishment other than a slap over
the wrist with a wet bus ticket.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Exactly, Jamie. So that shows you that it's not worth
a paper it's written on. But actually for MPs to
say we won't need to you know, it'll be fine,
we won't need to pay, that's weird because they've already
thalked out six hundred and eighty five million dollars and
anyone could look that up and see that between twenty
twenty and twenty twenty three, so in the last few years.
But the bigger price of hey, Jamie, is, as you know,
(02:05):
irreversible land juice change, expensive renewable energy that's costly and
short term and you know, nothing like the nineteen thirties dams,
water vamps built up the Waiteki Valley from me here, Jamie.
Power and food inflation, actually food inflation, ladies and gentlemen.
If you're thinking you're paying enough the butter at the
moment and it's very expensive, we'll fasten your seat belt
(02:27):
because once we add the true cost of the Paris
Accord and there so all of these supposes technology and
initiatives that additives, boluses, pills, potions plus land juice change
just to tick the paras box waiting to see.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, okay, Jane, mind you, if we were to follow
what Bryce and Lourie from ground Swell want and what
you want and what Winstant wants, and we pull out
of the Paris Accord slash agreement, we're going to lose
three dollars per kilogram on milk solids, so all of
a sudden we won't have to worry about the price
of butter and cheese.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's really interesting to see that figure plucked out of
the air because there is a country, Jamie, I was
thinking about this morning on the farm. As a country,
we seem to be terrified of the wrong things. We
seem to be terrified of what highly subsidized, heavily populated
industrial country think of us more so than protecting and
promoting our natural competitive advantage, which actually is using our resources,
(03:23):
so water, our point feed water, our highly productive soils,
our hill country or high country to our advantage, or
grass feed protein. And actually, if we carry on this pathway,
we're going to end up like the UK and the EU.
I mean you look at the EU. They're currently paying
this land owners not to produce food and I repeat,
not to produce food. You look at the UK before Brexit,
(03:45):
they were spending something like three point five billion pounds
a year on spamers subsidies, so that's per cow per sheep.
Now after Brexit they're supposedly not having subsidies, but what
they're doing is paying them not per cow, per sheep,
per acre, not to produce food, not to produce food.
Nowise you know, effectively retiring land that was previously food producing,
(04:05):
similar to the Helen clark Land banking days. What does
she retire three point four million hitcares or the bill
in Treacisco And the only things that happen with that
is you decrease food production and increase the costumes.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, let's just move on. Commerce Commission dismissing Federated Farmer's
complaint on net zero banking. I have a lot of
sympathy for the feeds on this one, because I think
they made a good point one.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Hundred percent Jamie. And again, this all feeds into this
is just another symptom of the bigger issue of Paris accord.
And again, this is what I would call, I don't
know if it's a real term or not, but selective
righteousness by the banks, you know so, and a weave
it like what we're seeing from the lights of McDonald's
and their stay, et cetera, that that you know, whollier
than there, and farmers, you sure shall do better and
(04:49):
you shall meet these criteria and keep jumping through these hoops,
and a bit like you know what we're seeing with
university students attending and you mentioned it before, Jamie. Protest
training attacked the university protest training, you know, organized by
the Climate Liberation a TROA and supposedly and I quote you,
to upskill and entice more university students to protest. Well, actually,
(05:15):
I believe their time would be better spent in economics
one oh one lecture to usually learn. Without taxpayer subsidies,
their university fees would be at least double, And ironically,
those subsidies are underpanned by the very same sectors that
they're protesting against, Jamie. So you know, it's all of
this selective righteousness by protests, by banks, by all of
(05:36):
these corporate cartels that is actually going to hold our
country to ransom, Jamie. And we seem to be very
good at doing that ourselves. You know, instead of facing
this on the battlefield, we're sort of stuck in the
barracks finding one hundred ways to penalize their own country. Jamie.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wasted a lot of time at university. I've got
to be honest, Chain, but I never ever once went
to a protest skills night event organized by the Climate
Liberation at Rower group. Thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I guess old John Minto would have been more your era, Jamie.
I'm sure you were probably putted it at pub with
him somewhere. No.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I was very much pro the Springbok tour in nineteen
eighty one, but I was probably on the wrong side
of that argument. Maybe in twenty or thirty years time,
people like you and I Jan and if I'm still around,
we'll look back and we'll say the climate change Liberation
at Rower group will bang on the money. Anyhow, we'll
ponder that one. Thanks for some of your time. I
love a bit of outrage on the country.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Thanks Shemmy
She is a North Otago farmer enjoying a lovely frosty
morning followed by a beautiful day on the farm. She's
also a former winner of the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
Her name is Jane Smith. Now, Jane, I'm ready to
be outraged by climate liberation aart a Rower? Are you
ready to be outraged by us being still in the
(00:20):
Paris Agreement or accord? And the fact that the Commerce
Commission has dismissed Federated Farmer's complaint on net zero banking?
Where do you want to start? What outrage do you
want to begin with?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, well, I guess I'm good afternoon. Jamie Parris is
our friend. I think that's a really unpalatable line, especially
coming from anyone that does support the very good Save
our Sheep campaign. Anyone that's a gas about pine trees,
carbon farming, that taxonomy, bent cartels, all of those things
are actually symptoms of the bigger problem. I mean, the
(00:53):
bigger problem is a Paris accord. But it seems to
be sort of have this holier than their drafting gates that,
you know, supposedly our sole reason that the world allows
us to sell our wears on a global stage and
I don't recall, you know, when we signed up to this,
and when was that about ten years ago? Isn't it
the sender twenty fifteen, our milk and meat prices, you know,
(01:14):
magically going up? And can I remind both your listeners,
both urban and rule that you know the Paris Agreement
costs is at least a twenty four billion dollar commitment
by twenty thirty, which is just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
None. But hang on, Jane, hang on, we're not going
to pay that. The government's already said we're not going
to part because we've got these targets to meet. We're
clearly not going to meet them by twenty thirty, and
Emperor's new clothes or whatever you want to call it, Basically,
there will be no punishment other than a slap over
the wrist with a wet bus ticket.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Exactly, Jamie. So that shows you that it's not worth
a paper it's written on. But actually for MPs to
say we won't need to you know, it'll be fine,
we won't need to pay, that's weird because they've already
thalked out six hundred and eighty five million dollars and
anyone could look that up and see that between twenty
twenty and twenty twenty three, so in the last few years.
But the bigger price of hey, Jamie, is, as you know,
(02:05):
irreversible land juice change, expensive renewable energy that's costly and
short term and you know, nothing like the nineteen thirties dams,
water vamps built up the Waiteki Valley from me here, Jamie.
Power and food inflation, actually food inflation, ladies and gentlemen.
If you're thinking you're paying enough the butter at the
moment and it's very expensive, we'll fasten your seat belt
(02:27):
because once we add the true cost of the Paris
Accord and there so all of these supposes technology and
initiatives that additives, boluses, pills, potions plus land juice change
just to tick the paras box waiting to see.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, okay, Jane, mind you, if we were to follow
what Bryce and Lourie from ground Swell want and what
you want and what Winstant wants, and we pull out
of the Paris Accord slash agreement, we're going to lose
three dollars per kilogram on milk solids, so all of
a sudden we won't have to worry about the price
of butter and cheese.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's really interesting to see that figure plucked out of
the air because there is a country, Jamie, I was
thinking about this morning on the farm. As a country,
we seem to be terrified of the wrong things. We
seem to be terrified of what highly subsidized, heavily populated
industrial country think of us more so than protecting and
promoting our natural competitive advantage, which actually is using our resources,
(03:23):
so water, our point feed water, our highly productive soils,
our hill country or high country to our advantage, or
grass feed protein. And actually, if we carry on this pathway,
we're going to end up like the UK and the EU.
I mean you look at the EU. They're currently paying
this land owners not to produce food and I repeat,
not to produce food. You look at the UK before Brexit,
(03:45):
they were spending something like three point five billion pounds
a year on spamers subsidies, so that's per cow per sheep.
Now after Brexit they're supposedly not having subsidies, but what
they're doing is paying them not per cow, per sheep,
per acre, not to produce food, not to produce food.
Nowise you know, effectively retiring land that was previously food producing,
(04:05):
similar to the Helen clark Land banking days. What does
she retire three point four million hitcares or the bill
in Treacisco And the only things that happen with that
is you decrease food production and increase the costumes.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, let's just move on. Commerce Commission dismissing Federated Farmer's
complaint on net zero banking. I have a lot of
sympathy for the feeds on this one, because I think
they made a good point one.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Hundred percent Jamie. And again, this all feeds into this
is just another symptom of the bigger issue of Paris accord.
And again, this is what I would call, I don't
know if it's a real term or not, but selective
righteousness by the banks, you know so, and a weave
it like what we're seeing from the lights of McDonald's
and their stay, et cetera, that that you know, whollier
than there, and farmers, you sure shall do better and
(04:49):
you shall meet these criteria and keep jumping through these hoops,
and a bit like you know what we're seeing with
university students attending and you mentioned it before, Jamie. Protest
training attacked the university protest training, you know, organized by
the Climate Liberation a TROA and supposedly and I quote you,
to upskill and entice more university students to protest. Well, actually,
(05:15):
I believe their time would be better spent in economics
one oh one lecture to usually learn. Without taxpayer subsidies,
their university fees would be at least double, And ironically,
those subsidies are underpanned by the very same sectors that
they're protesting against, Jamie. So you know, it's all of
this selective righteousness by protests, by banks, by all of
(05:36):
these corporate cartels that is actually going to hold our
country to ransom, Jamie. And we seem to be very
good at doing that ourselves. You know, instead of facing
this on the battlefield, we're sort of stuck in the
barracks finding one hundred ways to penalize their own country. Jamie.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wasted a lot of time at university. I've got
to be honest, Chain, but I never ever once went
to a protest skills night event organized by the Climate
Liberation at Rower group. Thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I guess old John Minto would have been more your era, Jamie.
I'm sure you were probably putted it at pub with
him somewhere. No.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I was very much pro the Springbok tour in nineteen
eighty one, but I was probably on the wrong side
of that argument. Maybe in twenty or thirty years time,
people like you and I Jan and if I'm still around,
we'll look back and we'll say the climate change Liberation
at Rower group will bang on the money. Anyhow, we'll
ponder that one. Thanks for some of your time. I
love a bit of outrage on the country.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Thanks Shemmy
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