November 23, 2025 • 7 mins
day's farmer/politician panel talks about the MP's Rich List, the Luxon leadership spill, and farrowing crates
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's Farmer Panel. Andrew Hoggard, ACT MP, actualist MP, Associate
ag Minister by Security Minister, although safe don't want him
to have that job for much longer. And Grant McCallum,
norand Northland MP for the NATS and obviously a pauper. Grant,
(00:22):
you didn't make the Parliamentary rich list.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Yeah, good afternoon, Jamie. No, yes, yes, we
have a fat, femily farming structure up here in a
trust and all that sort of stuff, But no, some
of us are nort and clearly doesn't make the grade
in terms of some of my other farming college. But boy,
have may done well. It's great to see farming represented
so well in parliament. Successful farming.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We look at the politician's rich list. Sue's Redmain is
at number one with twenty four million bucks worth. Barbara Krueger,
lovely woman Barbara is in third place with eleven point
five million. Coming in and seeing and as the Prime
Minister Christopher Luxon with just over fifteen. The good news is,
Andrew Hoggard, you are on the rich list, and you're
(01:08):
ahead of Winston, and you're your farm is worth more
than Luckso's houses.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, well, I think they may have already given me
my firits half of the farm that I'm just in
the process actually are buying off my parents. So maybe
you know, they've gone forward a year and two. But
they're also missing the small little matter of a mortgage.
So yeah, well I might I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Might have that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, I might have to ring sus up and see
if they've got on mortgage. I watched it interestingly and
I got I've got Susan's phone number from Grant because
I was watching an old country calendar on Friday and
it was on I think it's Tunnel Hill. Their properties
called on the coast There they do the coastal Lamb
or whatever, a fascinating farming operation, the Redmins, well known
(02:00):
in the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, they certainly haven't been really success. You've got a
mind of Jamie running a business overseas that coastal land development.
I've done marketing lamb around the world. That's really impressive.
That's that's hard yards and I've done really well. They
deserve all the success they yet with that sort of
exported But.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, okay, so just back to the rich list. Still
on a hark on about this, Andrew, you are ahead
of Winston. Even if you've got mom and dad's share
of the farm. He's an eleventh spot. But it's not
that long ago that Winston was flat broke because of
all the litigation he was going through. But he's he's
probably married quite well or partnered quite well these days,
has he? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I have no idea, but I guess the lesson for
me is stay out of legal problems and that. But
at the same time, I mean, quite frankly, don't we
want our country having people in charge and running it
they're actually successful that have done the hard yards, that
have know what hard work is required to build up
wealth and create your an opportunity. I would have thought
(03:01):
that would be in the ideal leadership we need for
this country.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, grant, you aren't the only one who didn't make
the Top twenty. The No Green or To party Mary's
made the Top twenty this year.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I heard one political commentator this morning saying, oh, you can't.
We don't want people they're out of touch with reality.
But to out to Andrew's point, we want people to
know how to make things work and get ahead, and
so you leave the country that way. Isn't that what
we need and by the way, we have got a
House of representatives, so you want people from across the
spectrum involved. You don't want to exclude people because they're successful.
(03:36):
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a democracy in our parliament?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Grant, are you involved in the back room murmurings for
the lux and leadership?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was just waiting for this nonsense. Honestly, I have
never heard so much nonsense. It's just crazy stuff. I
don't know where all your colleagues get time. They must
be bored sitting around having a beer or whatever, trying
to work out what they're going to write their columns on.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
There is no murmurings.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The Prime Minister is doing a great job and by
the way, made a great announcement on the weekend about
our key. We say the policy which will which we're
going to look to phase in and increase it to
six percent from employers and employees over the next few
years and to twenty thirty two. So we're just getting
on with running the country and focusing on leading us
next year in the election, because the Prime Minister will
(04:23):
lead us in that campaign and do a great job.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
See, I think the Prime Minister is not being helped
by Andrew's boss or Shane Jones's boss. They're kind of
cannibalizing the national vote Andrew Haigarter or is that all
part of the master plan?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, no, coming end of the day, everyone's got a
right to vote for whichever party they like and the
policies they like in the day are Our focus is
on keeping the government we've got, just making it better
with a few more acting peace there.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, were quite happy have a few more nats, you know,
just to level the place out. We need a few
adults in the room instead of creating all these issues.
But no, so that's been at the toll lists working well.
And yes there're three different parties, but that's the beauty
of it. We all challenge each other and get better
outcomes to the country.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're only rated in the top twenty issues as more
capable than labor at two out of twenty. You have
got some problems, Grant.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Actually, what it reflects, Jamie is the fact we've been
through a tough winter. Your colony has been tough, particularly
for those in Auckland. I get that, we all understand that.
But you'll start to see some movement around the country. Now.
I went recently to the Hospitality Awards in Northland and
the Hospitality secret telling me up there they give the
forward bookings a good things are looking good for the summer.
(05:38):
They're now at the sharp end of any recovery. So
I think that's a really good sign and interust Rate's
coming down during our good economic management is what's going
to help drive the ten things around.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And hopefully another interst Rate drop of this week with
the OCR announcement Grant. Let's try Andrew Hoggard. Safe want
rid of you, they say, during your tenure as Minister
Responsible for Animal Welfare, and this is to quote their minister.
Hoggard has gained a reputation for ignoring independent animal welfare science.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, yes, I have ignored vegans quite a lot. The
Safe attitude is basically, if you're not a vegan, then
we're not interested in hearing from you. I think they've
been caught out many times advertising jobs where you have
to be a vegan to work for them. But honestly,
and if you look at some of the other animal
(06:29):
rights or animal welfare stuff I've done dog tethering. We
worked primarily with ARISHPCA on that to come up with
you know, we had a piece of regulation from the
previous government that just wasn't workable and we worked with
IRISHPCA to come up with something that was workable. So
I listened to them on that one. You know, with
foreign creates, it's been a case of everyone had their say.
(06:51):
During the consultation period with Nawak, I was left with
the decision as to whether I still wanted to see
a sustainable pork industry in New Zealand. We'll have it
go completely, wrote quite frankly. So I chose to maintain
a poork industry in this country.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Okay, And final word from the period. I'm running out
of time really quickly. How's the seasons going? Last time
I chatted to you, you just got the siloce off grant.
Have you have you made a cameo appearance on the
Northland Farm at all?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, I'm a cameo appearance today, but I'm sitting inside
taking submissions on the Fast Track Amendment bill. So I'm
just looking at the nice green grass is growing and
the silent parents are coming back. Now the farm's taking
you along. Okay. The team are doing great job and
I'll give him the credit, not.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Me, sure, you should get off your ass, get out
there and do a bit more work. You might get
on the rich list. Then, look, Andrew, I know the
season's going okay in the manner. What to Thanks for
being good sports as always.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And Andrew try and be nicer to say they're only
doing their job. And an apologies to any vegans who
were listening to the show.
Today's Farmer Panel. Andrew Hoggard, ACT MP, actualist MP, Associate
ag Minister by Security Minister, although safe don't want him
to have that job for much longer. And Grant McCallum,
norand Northland MP for the NATS and obviously a pauper. Grant,
(00:22):
you didn't make the Parliamentary rich list.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Yeah, good afternoon, Jamie. No, yes, yes, we
have a fat, femily farming structure up here in a
trust and all that sort of stuff, But no, some
of us are nort and clearly doesn't make the grade
in terms of some of my other farming college. But boy,
have may done well. It's great to see farming represented
so well in parliament. Successful farming.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We look at the politician's rich list. Sue's Redmain is
at number one with twenty four million bucks worth. Barbara Krueger,
lovely woman Barbara is in third place with eleven point
five million. Coming in and seeing and as the Prime
Minister Christopher Luxon with just over fifteen. The good news is,
Andrew Hoggard, you are on the rich list, and you're
(01:08):
ahead of Winston, and you're your farm is worth more
than Luckso's houses.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, well, I think they may have already given me
my firits half of the farm that I'm just in
the process actually are buying off my parents. So maybe
you know, they've gone forward a year and two. But
they're also missing the small little matter of a mortgage.
So yeah, well I might I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Might have that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, I might have to ring sus up and see
if they've got on mortgage. I watched it interestingly and
I got I've got Susan's phone number from Grant because
I was watching an old country calendar on Friday and
it was on I think it's Tunnel Hill. Their properties
called on the coast There they do the coastal Lamb
or whatever, a fascinating farming operation, the Redmins, well known
(02:00):
in the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, they certainly haven't been really success. You've got a
mind of Jamie running a business overseas that coastal land development.
I've done marketing lamb around the world. That's really impressive.
That's that's hard yards and I've done really well. They
deserve all the success they yet with that sort of
exported But.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, okay, so just back to the rich list. Still
on a hark on about this, Andrew, you are ahead
of Winston. Even if you've got mom and dad's share
of the farm. He's an eleventh spot. But it's not
that long ago that Winston was flat broke because of
all the litigation he was going through. But he's he's
probably married quite well or partnered quite well these days,
has he? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I have no idea, but I guess the lesson for
me is stay out of legal problems and that. But
at the same time, I mean, quite frankly, don't we
want our country having people in charge and running it
they're actually successful that have done the hard yards, that
have know what hard work is required to build up
wealth and create your an opportunity. I would have thought
(03:01):
that would be in the ideal leadership we need for
this country.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, grant, you aren't the only one who didn't make
the Top twenty. The No Green or To party Mary's
made the Top twenty this year.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I heard one political commentator this morning saying, oh, you can't.
We don't want people they're out of touch with reality.
But to out to Andrew's point, we want people to
know how to make things work and get ahead, and
so you leave the country that way. Isn't that what
we need and by the way, we have got a
House of representatives, so you want people from across the
spectrum involved. You don't want to exclude people because they're successful.
(03:36):
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a democracy in our parliament?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Grant, are you involved in the back room murmurings for
the lux and leadership?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was just waiting for this nonsense. Honestly, I have
never heard so much nonsense. It's just crazy stuff. I
don't know where all your colleagues get time. They must
be bored sitting around having a beer or whatever, trying
to work out what they're going to write their columns on.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
There is no murmurings.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The Prime Minister is doing a great job and by
the way, made a great announcement on the weekend about
our key. We say the policy which will which we're
going to look to phase in and increase it to
six percent from employers and employees over the next few
years and to twenty thirty two. So we're just getting
on with running the country and focusing on leading us
next year in the election, because the Prime Minister will
(04:23):
lead us in that campaign and do a great job.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
See, I think the Prime Minister is not being helped
by Andrew's boss or Shane Jones's boss. They're kind of
cannibalizing the national vote Andrew Haigarter or is that all
part of the master plan?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, no, coming end of the day, everyone's got a
right to vote for whichever party they like and the
policies they like in the day are Our focus is
on keeping the government we've got, just making it better
with a few more acting peace there.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, were quite happy have a few more nats, you know,
just to level the place out. We need a few
adults in the room instead of creating all these issues.
But no, so that's been at the toll lists working well.
And yes there're three different parties, but that's the beauty
of it. We all challenge each other and get better
outcomes to the country.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're only rated in the top twenty issues as more
capable than labor at two out of twenty. You have
got some problems, Grant.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Actually, what it reflects, Jamie is the fact we've been
through a tough winter. Your colony has been tough, particularly
for those in Auckland. I get that, we all understand that.
But you'll start to see some movement around the country. Now.
I went recently to the Hospitality Awards in Northland and
the Hospitality secret telling me up there they give the
forward bookings a good things are looking good for the summer.
(05:38):
They're now at the sharp end of any recovery. So
I think that's a really good sign and interust Rate's
coming down during our good economic management is what's going
to help drive the ten things around.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And hopefully another interst Rate drop of this week with
the OCR announcement Grant. Let's try Andrew Hoggard. Safe want
rid of you, they say, during your tenure as Minister
Responsible for Animal Welfare, and this is to quote their minister.
Hoggard has gained a reputation for ignoring independent animal welfare science.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, yes, I have ignored vegans quite a lot. The
Safe attitude is basically, if you're not a vegan, then
we're not interested in hearing from you. I think they've
been caught out many times advertising jobs where you have
to be a vegan to work for them. But honestly,
and if you look at some of the other animal
(06:29):
rights or animal welfare stuff I've done dog tethering. We
worked primarily with ARISHPCA on that to come up with
you know, we had a piece of regulation from the
previous government that just wasn't workable and we worked with
IRISHPCA to come up with something that was workable. So
I listened to them on that one. You know, with
foreign creates, it's been a case of everyone had their say.
(06:51):
During the consultation period with Nawak, I was left with
the decision as to whether I still wanted to see
a sustainable pork industry in New Zealand. We'll have it
go completely, wrote quite frankly. So I chose to maintain
a poork industry in this country.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Okay, And final word from the period. I'm running out
of time really quickly. How's the seasons going? Last time
I chatted to you, you just got the siloce off grant.
Have you have you made a cameo appearance on the
Northland Farm at all?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, I'm a cameo appearance today, but I'm sitting inside
taking submissions on the Fast Track Amendment bill. So I'm
just looking at the nice green grass is growing and
the silent parents are coming back. Now the farm's taking
you along. Okay. The team are doing great job and
I'll give him the credit, not.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Me, sure, you should get off your ass, get out
there and do a bit more work. You might get
on the rich list. Then, look, Andrew, I know the
season's going okay in the manner. What to Thanks for
being good sports as always.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And Andrew try and be nicer to say they're only
doing their job. And an apologies to any vegans who
were listening to the show.
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