May 25, 2025 • 8 mins
It’s the “Hoggy and McNational Farmer/Politician Panel”. On today’s menu, we have Grant’s underpants, the Regulatory Standards Bill, and whether the government is doing enough to halt the relentless onslaught from carbon farming, blanket-planting some of our productive pastoral land.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's panel is a farmer politician panel. Andrew Hogart, Associate
Minister of Agriculture I think Minister for Biosecurity Act list MP,
and Grant mcnational McCullum. He's not a Minister for anything
just yet, but Grant Andrew wanted to talk about the
regulatory standard spill. That sounds pretty boring to me. I
(00:20):
would sooner talk about your underpants. But that's much more salacious.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Inferior course to the rather underhand and cheap reference to
what their Minister of Finance were clothes you wish you
was wearing where they were made. I have thought that
was completely unnecessary and demeaning. What the fact we had
to having this discussion says a lot about that back today, mate,
and just but just for your information, because a few
(00:49):
of us got brassed off with the back the hell
with that what happened there, and so we decided to
put together a video. Chris Bishop kept it off say
what he was wearing. That the media weren't interested, and
and then so the myself, Mike Butterg interviewed me and
Carl Bates and we were interviewed about what we were wearing.
And just for your information today. I've got Rodin, I've
got my rod and gun year On and my R
(01:11):
and n Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You be hang on, you guys on the nets. Grant
are insisting that the schools wear carpet or wear wool carpets.
Surely Nichola could support a New Zealand designer like that
other great leader. Jacinda used to Well, I.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Know she does. She wears all sorts of clothes from
our own own designers. But the thing that you're going
to cheapen something as important as the budget by criticizing
with the clothes that the Minister of Finance wears. Did
anyone ever criticize Billing Wish for what he was wearing
and asked him where a suit was made? I cannot recall.
It reminds you of that great quote, Jamie, and you're
a big JFK historian fan, where he said in his
(01:50):
last speech, no one ever asked what Lyndon and I wear. Well,
And it's true. I mean, it's always something they used
to attack bitch, she attack women on, which is crazy.
Now we got to move on from the fifties and
sixties and that sort of language and that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, and just for the record bill English was always
a bit of a sloppy dress of shirt hanging out
down the old brown suit, but a very smart mind
Andrew Hoggart. The regulatory standards bill. That does sound incredibly boring.
Let's talk about what you're doing down in Southland today,
because you're meeting with ground smartes at Groundswell.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, just firstly on the regulatary standards bell. I know
it may seem boring and a lot of people getting
their neckers in a twist over it, but all I
can say is if that had been around while I
was at Fed's, it would have made our life so
much simpler. So for all those people involved in farming
and other areas where they just want to get on
with life, I'd suggest you pay attention to it, put
(02:45):
a submission in because it is about making your lives
easier from regulatory overreach. But down Southland meeting with ground
Swell and Feds. Then I am meeting with the mears
and then function with beef and lamb. Farmers are invited
to come along. It's a bit at three o'clock.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, and at the trusty old Croydon Lodge and Gore.
What a great venue. You now when you when you're
meeting with the ground Swell boys, Laurie and Bryce and co.
Will you have a week Grant McCullum dole, you're putting
putting needles into.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Probably I think they've pretty much used that as a
pincushion over the last week, if all the email anything
to go by.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, well are you cuddling up to ground swell because
you're going to have competition in the cuddling up to
groundswell steaks Andrew Haggard because Winnie and Shane are wanting
to do it as well. They want out of the
Paris Climate Agreement. I think David Seymour was heading that way.
There's only Grant and as woke mates in the National
Party who want to stay in Well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I don't cuddle up to anyone generally, I'll go along
and tell people what I think. And basically I mean
when I'm in town, I try to meet with as
many farming groups and people as possible. That's part of
the job is to be in to hear all the
different opinions.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think there's probably a little too much focus on
Paris quite frankly, I mean the outcomes actually what happens
here in New Zealand. Are we forced to play a
price all these other things? So to me, Paris can
be a little bit of a sideshow. It's more important
things like the Zero Carbon Act and Act was the
(04:23):
only party to vote against that back in the day.
So yeah, and just look at everything and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Where you go.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Grant and Jamie, one of the things that I get
really frustrated about as I drive around Northland is seeing
all the good clean country that went into pine trees
is going into pine trees, and just I get more
feedback on that than anything else, because that really it
disappoints me and it makes me feel sick. Actually, So
in National the only part of the campaigned on and
(04:52):
then in the process of delivering on restricting carbon farming
to steep country and getting rid of the whole.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get all that grunt, but I mean, you,
hang on, hang on. You could have fast forward the
legislation just like you did around the pay equity and
you you could have knocked carbon farming on the head
there on the spot.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Amie. Listen, it's already happened in the sense the Prime
Minister came out on the fourth of December. It said
from this date on, if you decide to buy some
land with a post that date for carbon farming, that
doesn't mean the right criteria. You won't be able to
get the credits.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Bollocks, Grant, bollocks, Grand what about all the people with
the invoices for seedlings who are getting into it? Boots
and all right, there aren't I Andrew.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You wait, you wait, actually know, there's apparently not that
many invoices in there for seedlings. But yeah, talking to
Todd about this, so look what, we'll see what happens.
But you know, I think there's a lot of people
expect government to be able to snap their fingers and
make things happens. Actually a pretty prescribed process, and I
(05:57):
know it's annoying to people, but actually, when the is
on the other foot and the other latter in charge,
we actually want those processes to occur. So you know,
urgency should only be used we're necessary, and yeah, we
don't want to basically be throwing the system away. We
(06:17):
do need to follow a process.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Grant. Let's talk about something we can all agree on.
In the budget that was good news, and this is
this new investment boost tax credit for businesses. It effectively
means you can write another twenty percent off in year one.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Direct on top of the current existing depreciation rate. You
get another twenty percent in year one, which is massive.
I think you'll find there'll be a good number of
particularly the farming sector, as they looking towards the end
of their financial years coming up toward at the field
days coming up and that sort of thing. They can
lower their tax bill by going and buying that new tractor,
silage wagon or investing a new plant on the farm
(06:54):
to help improve their businesses. This is their opportunity to
do that, and this is what we're doing to help
stimulate the Alps add to the stimulation of the economy
and particularly the rule sector, which once again is leading
us out of the challenging economic times we're in.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Grunt. Do you agree with the Hosk that the main
road north of Auckland there should be at one hundred
and ten all the way. He's not happy because he
can only drive five kilometers at one hundred and ten
when he's heading to his Auckland or north of Auckland mansion.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I know I had to smile that we will get
their events I'm sure with the rest of that process.
But yes, the poor old host he's going to have
to watch out for the police for a bit longer
and stay under the one hundred k limit of post
the tunnels. But I'm sure hopefully we'll get there and
the finish, he says. The process once again, as Andrews said,
these things in government have a process to follow and
to get it all run ticked off, and then we'll
(07:46):
be able to do one hundred and ten on that
great piece of road and then build the next one. Jamie,
the Greens don't want.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
To do Okay, right, Andrew Haggard, thanks for your time.
I know you're halfway between and Picargo and Gore and
that's a nice flat piece of road. Don't speed on that.
One hundred k's is.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The speed I'm not. Try and keep it, Try and
keep it the one hundred yep and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You're meeting with the ground swell boys this afternoon and
feeds and beef and lamb see you boys.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Jeez you mate, say it
Today's panel is a farmer politician panel. Andrew Hogart, Associate
Minister of Agriculture I think Minister for Biosecurity Act list MP,
and Grant mcnational McCullum. He's not a Minister for anything
just yet, but Grant Andrew wanted to talk about the
regulatory standard spill. That sounds pretty boring to me. I
(00:20):
would sooner talk about your underpants. But that's much more salacious.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Inferior course to the rather underhand and cheap reference to
what their Minister of Finance were clothes you wish you
was wearing where they were made. I have thought that
was completely unnecessary and demeaning. What the fact we had
to having this discussion says a lot about that back today, mate,
and just but just for your information, because a few
(00:49):
of us got brassed off with the back the hell
with that what happened there, and so we decided to
put together a video. Chris Bishop kept it off say
what he was wearing. That the media weren't interested, and
and then so the myself, Mike Butterg interviewed me and
Carl Bates and we were interviewed about what we were wearing.
And just for your information today. I've got Rodin, I've
got my rod and gun year On and my R
(01:11):
and n Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You be hang on, you guys on the nets. Grant
are insisting that the schools wear carpet or wear wool carpets.
Surely Nichola could support a New Zealand designer like that
other great leader. Jacinda used to Well, I.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Know she does. She wears all sorts of clothes from
our own own designers. But the thing that you're going
to cheapen something as important as the budget by criticizing
with the clothes that the Minister of Finance wears. Did
anyone ever criticize Billing Wish for what he was wearing
and asked him where a suit was made? I cannot recall.
It reminds you of that great quote, Jamie, and you're
a big JFK historian fan, where he said in his
(01:50):
last speech, no one ever asked what Lyndon and I wear. Well,
And it's true. I mean, it's always something they used
to attack bitch, she attack women on, which is crazy.
Now we got to move on from the fifties and
sixties and that sort of language and that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, and just for the record bill English was always
a bit of a sloppy dress of shirt hanging out
down the old brown suit, but a very smart mind
Andrew Hoggart. The regulatory standards bill. That does sound incredibly boring.
Let's talk about what you're doing down in Southland today,
because you're meeting with ground smartes at Groundswell.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, just firstly on the regulatary standards bell. I know
it may seem boring and a lot of people getting
their neckers in a twist over it, but all I
can say is if that had been around while I
was at Fed's, it would have made our life so
much simpler. So for all those people involved in farming
and other areas where they just want to get on
with life, I'd suggest you pay attention to it, put
(02:45):
a submission in because it is about making your lives
easier from regulatory overreach. But down Southland meeting with ground
Swell and Feds. Then I am meeting with the mears
and then function with beef and lamb. Farmers are invited
to come along. It's a bit at three o'clock.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, and at the trusty old Croydon Lodge and Gore.
What a great venue. You now when you when you're
meeting with the ground Swell boys, Laurie and Bryce and co.
Will you have a week Grant McCullum dole, you're putting
putting needles into.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Probably I think they've pretty much used that as a
pincushion over the last week, if all the email anything
to go by.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, well are you cuddling up to ground swell because
you're going to have competition in the cuddling up to
groundswell steaks Andrew Haggard because Winnie and Shane are wanting
to do it as well. They want out of the
Paris Climate Agreement. I think David Seymour was heading that way.
There's only Grant and as woke mates in the National
Party who want to stay in Well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I don't cuddle up to anyone generally, I'll go along
and tell people what I think. And basically I mean
when I'm in town, I try to meet with as
many farming groups and people as possible. That's part of
the job is to be in to hear all the
different opinions.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think there's probably a little too much focus on
Paris quite frankly, I mean the outcomes actually what happens
here in New Zealand. Are we forced to play a
price all these other things? So to me, Paris can
be a little bit of a sideshow. It's more important
things like the Zero Carbon Act and Act was the
(04:23):
only party to vote against that back in the day.
So yeah, and just look at everything and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Where you go.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Grant and Jamie, one of the things that I get
really frustrated about as I drive around Northland is seeing
all the good clean country that went into pine trees
is going into pine trees, and just I get more
feedback on that than anything else, because that really it
disappoints me and it makes me feel sick. Actually, So
in National the only part of the campaigned on and
(04:52):
then in the process of delivering on restricting carbon farming
to steep country and getting rid of the whole.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get all that grunt, but I mean, you,
hang on, hang on. You could have fast forward the
legislation just like you did around the pay equity and
you you could have knocked carbon farming on the head
there on the spot.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Amie. Listen, it's already happened in the sense the Prime
Minister came out on the fourth of December. It said
from this date on, if you decide to buy some
land with a post that date for carbon farming, that
doesn't mean the right criteria. You won't be able to
get the credits.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Bollocks, Grant, bollocks, Grand what about all the people with
the invoices for seedlings who are getting into it? Boots
and all right, there aren't I Andrew.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You wait, you wait, actually know, there's apparently not that
many invoices in there for seedlings. But yeah, talking to
Todd about this, so look what, we'll see what happens.
But you know, I think there's a lot of people
expect government to be able to snap their fingers and
make things happens. Actually a pretty prescribed process, and I
(05:57):
know it's annoying to people, but actually, when the is
on the other foot and the other latter in charge,
we actually want those processes to occur. So you know,
urgency should only be used we're necessary, and yeah, we
don't want to basically be throwing the system away. We
(06:17):
do need to follow a process.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Grant. Let's talk about something we can all agree on.
In the budget that was good news, and this is
this new investment boost tax credit for businesses. It effectively
means you can write another twenty percent off in year one.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Direct on top of the current existing depreciation rate. You
get another twenty percent in year one, which is massive.
I think you'll find there'll be a good number of
particularly the farming sector, as they looking towards the end
of their financial years coming up toward at the field
days coming up and that sort of thing. They can
lower their tax bill by going and buying that new tractor,
silage wagon or investing a new plant on the farm
(06:54):
to help improve their businesses. This is their opportunity to
do that, and this is what we're doing to help
stimulate the Alps add to the stimulation of the economy
and particularly the rule sector, which once again is leading
us out of the challenging economic times we're in.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Grunt. Do you agree with the Hosk that the main
road north of Auckland there should be at one hundred
and ten all the way. He's not happy because he
can only drive five kilometers at one hundred and ten
when he's heading to his Auckland or north of Auckland mansion.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I know I had to smile that we will get
their events I'm sure with the rest of that process.
But yes, the poor old host he's going to have
to watch out for the police for a bit longer
and stay under the one hundred k limit of post
the tunnels. But I'm sure hopefully we'll get there and
the finish, he says. The process once again, as Andrews said,
these things in government have a process to follow and
to get it all run ticked off, and then we'll
(07:46):
be able to do one hundred and ten on that
great piece of road and then build the next one. Jamie,
the Greens don't want.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
To do Okay, right, Andrew Haggard, thanks for your time.
I know you're halfway between and Picargo and Gore and
that's a nice flat piece of road. Don't speed on that.
One hundred k's is.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The speed I'm not. Try and keep it, Try and
keep it the one hundred yep and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You're meeting with the ground swell boys this afternoon and
feeds and beef and lamb see you boys.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Jeez you mate, say it
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