March 26, 2025 • 7 mins
Also at Kirwee is the leader of the Opposition. But what sort of reception is he getting? Is Winston really looking more like an angry old man shouting at the sky? And what are the Greens on about?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, welcome back to the country. I thought i'd missed him,
but I've just got him. I do appreciate the time
of the leader of the opposition, Chris Hipkins. He's everyone's
at Kerwee today at the South Island Field Days. You've
just heard from Katie Milne, a leader of the opposition
Labor Party leader. Hey Chris, what sort of reception you're
getting from the farmers there?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? Very good? Actually? And when they thought that you
were ringing the guy that said that I should just
sna you keep talking to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh yeah, Well was that time young?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Is it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How time to barger off from me. But anyhow, I'm
glad you're enjoying, No doubt you'll be enjoying some of
those wonderful weed lamb lollipops. You're having a we lamb
rack for lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, I hope. So we haven't quite made we haven't
made it that far in yet, but I've heard promises,
so I'm hoping that they'll deliver.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now I'm going to be chatting to Andrew Hoggard shortly.
A lot of politicians at Kerwee today and they tell
me Andrews shredding. He's eating the lettuce at the moment,
and after hearing Winston's diet yesterday or reading about it
in the Herald, I wonder if that's making him look
like an angry old man shouting at the sky.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chris Hipkins, well, I think we just maybe we should
start calling Winston popeye. But you know, I think good
on them. I think protein and vegies. It sounds like
a reasonable diet.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
To be Yeah, well he's got a cast iron constitution.
I'll give him that, mind you, before we get onto
the serious issues of the day. You're a great sausage
roll man, and you're a reasonably trim sort of bloke.
How do you keep your waistline at Bay and your job?
Because it's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, I have did put on quite a bit of
way over the last couple of years, but I still
try and exercise quendy, So if I can get out
for a decent walk, get out on the bike, even
get to the gym, just does make a difference. And
also I try try not to eat while standing up.
So basically, if you keep it to your three meals
a day rather than just snacking as you're going around
all the time, because one of the things about being
(01:56):
a politician is you get off of food everywhere you go.
It's a nice problem to have, but if you're not
curele you do put on a lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Now, talking about food, I was in Wellington for National
Lamb Day, for the Parliamentary barbecue, and we went into
the House at question time. After that there was sort
of a snap debate with David Seymour on the school
lunch a debarcle if you want, And I saw you,
and I will say this, and I'm not paying in
your pocket here, but I reckon, you're better in the
house than you are on telly.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh, thank you. I don't I don't know. I don't
know whether that's a compliment or not, Jamie, but I'll
take it as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, Well, you were very quick on your feet as
a debater. Do you need to show some more of
that on the telly?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, you reckon. Well, the problem is we don't get
to we don't get to determine what bits of what
we say end up on the telly. Other people make
those decisions, unfortunately, but you know, we just keep plugging
your way.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now, let's look at a couple of issues. There's been
changes or proposed changes to the r m A, and
quite rightly you're saying that we need bipartisan support and
we need to get some sort of agreement on it.
Is that likely to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I don't know. It'll really come down to the government
and whether they're willing to look for a compromise. What
I've said to them is that we accept that we're
not going to get everything that we want out of this.
But I think you know, New Zealanders and across the
political spectrum are getting a bit weary, well more than
a bit weary of the political ping pong where governments
change and everything just gets thrown up in the air again.
(03:28):
So on issues around resource management, we all agree that
it needs to change. We all agree that things are
too slow, too cumberssome and actually, you know, the Resource
Management and Regium at the moment isn't actually necessarily doing
what it's supposed to do, which is to allow the
use of natural resources while protecting the environment. So you know,
I think we all need to We all agree there
needs to be changed. Now, We've got some things that
(03:50):
we want to see represented in that the government have
things that they want to see represented in that. If
we can find some common ground and some compromise, then
you know, I'd love to be in a position at
the next election where we say, look, we didn't get
everything we want, but we're not going to change it
any further, because you know, I think people just deserve
a period of a bit of certainty.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But is it way too complex? And I know that
you guys had a go at reforming at nine hundred
pages later David Parker had finished. Can't we simplify it?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well? I think that's the issue is sometimes actually the
longer the legislation, the more straightforward it is. Some of
the most complicated legislation or laws you know that Parliament
passes at the short ones where you leave a lot
a lot of questions unanswered, and the courts end up
determining a lot of stuff, and local councils end up
determining a lot of stuff, and people end up trying
to figure It's been a lot of time trying to
figure out what the law actually means. So I don't
(04:41):
want to set a page limit for it, because actually
sometimes being a bit more detailed gives people more certainty
and actually makes a little easier to follow.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Hey, a final question for you, do you think you
were tactically naive or got it wrong? Dismissing Winston an
angry old man shouting at the sky, because I kind
of reckon he was your only pathway, if that at
all was possible to the Treasury benches. Because I think
people can live with Labor. I don't think they can
live with the Greens or the Party Mari, and I'm
(05:12):
talking about Middle New Zealand here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh, a lot of water to flow under the bridge
before that those things come into contention, that'll be that's
a decision for further down the track, you know, later
on next year. But you know, Winston, Peter's has a
flick at us. We'll have a flicker back him. Just
has had the nature of politics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But I was pleased to see you come out and
slam Tamitha Paul the Green MPUs going on about doesn't
want to see cops on the beat, doesn't want prisons,
another Green saying people would feel safer with a patched
gang member than police. This is just utter nonsense. How
can you govern with people like that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, I mean, I think the key thing here is
that I am willing to call out the other parties
who we might otherwise sometimes work with when they things
that are stupid. And I think that actually is a
difference between myself and Christopher Luxen, who basically lets David
Timoa and Winston Peters just get away with all sorts
of craziness. Makes you think he we've got a gupfull
(06:11):
of that. I think you know they actually want to
see the bigger political parties who actually get the most
votes are the ones who are actually calling most of
the shots. I think, except that compromises needed any MMP
from time to time, that doesn't mean that Winston Peters
and David seem I should be able to hold the
country to ransom.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Christopher Christopher, cheez, I'm getting confused. I better call you Chris.
I'll just go with Chris hip cans the other blogs. Christopher, Hey,
thanks for your time. You go and enjoy some of
those lamb lollipops at a fco for your lunch.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I will do it. I was going to say, Jamie,
the only person who calls me Christopher is my mother,
and that's when that's only when I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So yeah, oh well, maybe that's a metaphor for a
current Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah he's in trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well yes, no, I left the door open for you
there listen. Wow, thanks for your time, and good on
you for fronting up at the Field Days and having
a look at how rural New Zealand operates.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Good good to you, Jamie.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Okay, there we go. Leader of the Opposition Labor Leader
Chris Haipkins
Okay, welcome back to the country. I thought i'd missed him,
but I've just got him. I do appreciate the time
of the leader of the opposition, Chris Hipkins. He's everyone's
at Kerwee today at the South Island Field Days. You've
just heard from Katie Milne, a leader of the opposition
Labor Party leader. Hey Chris, what sort of reception you're
getting from the farmers there?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? Very good? Actually? And when they thought that you
were ringing the guy that said that I should just
sna you keep talking to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh yeah, Well was that time young?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Is it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How time to barger off from me. But anyhow, I'm
glad you're enjoying, No doubt you'll be enjoying some of
those wonderful weed lamb lollipops. You're having a we lamb
rack for lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, I hope. So we haven't quite made we haven't
made it that far in yet, but I've heard promises,
so I'm hoping that they'll deliver.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now I'm going to be chatting to Andrew Hoggard shortly.
A lot of politicians at Kerwee today and they tell
me Andrews shredding. He's eating the lettuce at the moment,
and after hearing Winston's diet yesterday or reading about it
in the Herald, I wonder if that's making him look
like an angry old man shouting at the sky.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chris Hipkins, well, I think we just maybe we should
start calling Winston popeye. But you know, I think good
on them. I think protein and vegies. It sounds like
a reasonable diet.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
To be Yeah, well he's got a cast iron constitution.
I'll give him that, mind you, before we get onto
the serious issues of the day. You're a great sausage
roll man, and you're a reasonably trim sort of bloke.
How do you keep your waistline at Bay and your job?
Because it's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, I have did put on quite a bit of
way over the last couple of years, but I still
try and exercise quendy, So if I can get out
for a decent walk, get out on the bike, even
get to the gym, just does make a difference. And
also I try try not to eat while standing up.
So basically, if you keep it to your three meals
a day rather than just snacking as you're going around
all the time, because one of the things about being
(01:56):
a politician is you get off of food everywhere you go.
It's a nice problem to have, but if you're not
curele you do put on a lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Now, talking about food, I was in Wellington for National
Lamb Day, for the Parliamentary barbecue, and we went into
the House at question time. After that there was sort
of a snap debate with David Seymour on the school
lunch a debarcle if you want, And I saw you,
and I will say this, and I'm not paying in
your pocket here, but I reckon, you're better in the
house than you are on telly.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh, thank you. I don't I don't know. I don't
know whether that's a compliment or not, Jamie, but I'll
take it as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, Well, you were very quick on your feet as
a debater. Do you need to show some more of
that on the telly?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, you reckon. Well, the problem is we don't get
to we don't get to determine what bits of what
we say end up on the telly. Other people make
those decisions, unfortunately, but you know, we just keep plugging
your way.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now, let's look at a couple of issues. There's been
changes or proposed changes to the r m A, and
quite rightly you're saying that we need bipartisan support and
we need to get some sort of agreement on it.
Is that likely to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I don't know. It'll really come down to the government
and whether they're willing to look for a compromise. What
I've said to them is that we accept that we're
not going to get everything that we want out of this.
But I think you know, New Zealanders and across the
political spectrum are getting a bit weary, well more than
a bit weary of the political ping pong where governments
change and everything just gets thrown up in the air again.
(03:28):
So on issues around resource management, we all agree that
it needs to change. We all agree that things are
too slow, too cumberssome and actually, you know, the Resource
Management and Regium at the moment isn't actually necessarily doing
what it's supposed to do, which is to allow the
use of natural resources while protecting the environment. So you know,
I think we all need to We all agree there
needs to be changed. Now, We've got some things that
(03:50):
we want to see represented in that the government have
things that they want to see represented in that. If
we can find some common ground and some compromise, then
you know, I'd love to be in a position at
the next election where we say, look, we didn't get
everything we want, but we're not going to change it
any further, because you know, I think people just deserve
a period of a bit of certainty.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But is it way too complex? And I know that
you guys had a go at reforming at nine hundred
pages later David Parker had finished. Can't we simplify it?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well? I think that's the issue is sometimes actually the
longer the legislation, the more straightforward it is. Some of
the most complicated legislation or laws you know that Parliament
passes at the short ones where you leave a lot
a lot of questions unanswered, and the courts end up
determining a lot of stuff, and local councils end up
determining a lot of stuff, and people end up trying
to figure It's been a lot of time trying to
figure out what the law actually means. So I don't
(04:41):
want to set a page limit for it, because actually
sometimes being a bit more detailed gives people more certainty
and actually makes a little easier to follow.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Hey, a final question for you, do you think you
were tactically naive or got it wrong? Dismissing Winston an
angry old man shouting at the sky, because I kind
of reckon he was your only pathway, if that at
all was possible to the Treasury benches. Because I think
people can live with Labor. I don't think they can
live with the Greens or the Party Mari, and I'm
(05:12):
talking about Middle New Zealand here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh, a lot of water to flow under the bridge
before that those things come into contention, that'll be that's
a decision for further down the track, you know, later
on next year. But you know, Winston, Peter's has a
flick at us. We'll have a flicker back him. Just
has had the nature of politics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But I was pleased to see you come out and
slam Tamitha Paul the Green MPUs going on about doesn't
want to see cops on the beat, doesn't want prisons,
another Green saying people would feel safer with a patched
gang member than police. This is just utter nonsense. How
can you govern with people like that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, I mean, I think the key thing here is
that I am willing to call out the other parties
who we might otherwise sometimes work with when they things
that are stupid. And I think that actually is a
difference between myself and Christopher Luxen, who basically lets David
Timoa and Winston Peters just get away with all sorts
of craziness. Makes you think he we've got a gupfull
(06:11):
of that. I think you know they actually want to
see the bigger political parties who actually get the most
votes are the ones who are actually calling most of
the shots. I think, except that compromises needed any MMP
from time to time, that doesn't mean that Winston Peters
and David seem I should be able to hold the
country to ransom.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Christopher Christopher, cheez, I'm getting confused. I better call you Chris.
I'll just go with Chris hip cans the other blogs. Christopher, Hey,
thanks for your time. You go and enjoy some of
those lamb lollipops at a fco for your lunch.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I will do it. I was going to say, Jamie,
the only person who calls me Christopher is my mother,
and that's when that's only when I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So yeah, oh well, maybe that's a metaphor for a
current Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah he's in trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well yes, no, I left the door open for you
there listen. Wow, thanks for your time, and good on
you for fronting up at the Field Days and having
a look at how rural New Zealand operates.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Good good to you, Jamie.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Okay, there we go. Leader of the Opposition Labor Leader
Chris Haipkins
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