November 27, 2024 • 7 mins
The Mighty Matua, the Prince of the Provinces, says he's not to blame for the blight on our landscape that is carbon farming. He also defends his decision to pour more money into a failed mussel farm in Opotiki. Plus, we discuss NZ First's succession plan (or lack of one), his war with Te Pāti Māori and when we are going to see changes to the ETS surrounding 100% offsets for planting pine trees.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the Prince of the Province's Martua Shane Jones, a
text on yesterday's show to me, Jamie. If you hate
carbon farming so much, why do you call Shane Jones
your favorite politician. He's clearly the largest roadblock in the
way of changing ets settings. Yes, Shane Jones, carbon farming
(00:20):
is your fault and it all harks back to your
billion tree program.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Sadly, these apocryphal stories gather momentum whether you belong to
the Green Party or the right wing of politics. Matua
Shane Jones did not force the farmers of New Zealand
to sell their farms to investors who want to put
it into forestry. But there's always room for improvement, and
we came forward with a whole bunch of new ideas
(00:48):
that will restrict the type of land classes that can
be put back into carbon forestry, and those decisions are
on their way into the public ether very short.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Now, are you in the pocket of large marii farmer
interests here who have huge interests in forestry and carbon farming.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, if Maldy didn't want to use their forestry assets,
or their forestry investments, or their land to plant forests.
That's a decision that they make. And by the way,
the National Party signed us up with this Coyoto set
of protocols. It was your sort of third page boy,
(01:26):
John Key, who committed New Zealand to that. It certainly
wasn't Winston and I clearly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The settings on the ets are wrong. We shouldn't be
allowing one hundred percent off sets for planting pine trees.
No one else does it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, So in all seriousness, Minister Todd, our Agricultural Minister
Mark Patterson, and when our Climate Minister gets back from overseas,
a bunch of decisions going to be made. But just
you know, bear in mind that we all did campaign
on improving the HS and protecting productive farmland. But having
(02:05):
said that, how else do you want us to meet
the costs of this climate change journey? Knowing that the
party I belong to is New Zealand First, not Climate first.
I do not believe that climate change is the most
pressing issue facing humanity. I don't believe that at all.
It's one of a host of issues that we have
to manage our way through, food security, infrastructure, military security.
(02:30):
In my view, they equally rank with the challenges that
we have to adapt in terms of climate change.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Was your provincial growth fund in the twenty seventeen to
twenty Ardern government? Was that a bit of a roart?
I see you're in the news again today, Shane, this
time for tipping more money into a muscle farm and
Portuguese that's losing money year after year. Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, the muscle farming venture down in a Portugue, along
with the development of or from a Portuguy. Well, you
know New Zealand first, we are contribute to running the country,
not just for Kohi Martama, but for the entirety of
the country and that particular that particular venture. It's been
through some ups and downs. It's bobbing away and I'm
sure the next report that they give to their shareholders
(03:17):
and will be a lot more rosy.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Hang on, whoo, whoa, it's lost fifty two million dollars
since you've championed the scheme. You're just chucking good money
after bad.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Now. That's a part of New Zealand where you either
have the Crown actively investing trying to generate local economic activity,
or you sit back and what's the gang's take over?
A podokey which is why the police are constantly there
and the area is constantly in the newspaper, and we're
just not going to give up on that part of
the economy. As a government who wants to ensure that
(03:50):
there's resilience over time in rural New Zealand, rather than
surrender those areas to the gangs, were just never going
to agree to that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Did winstont wrap you, your great leader, Winston your dare lead?
Do he wrap you over the knuckles around some of
your rhetoric over Freddie the Frog?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
From time to time? You know, we have this slight
we have these slight rhetorical flourishes from my good self.
But the most important thing is that these rhetorical devices
have caught the attention of the Holy ploy and they
realize that often we've allowed the pendulum to swing too
far anti development, anti growth, And look, I can't be
(04:28):
held responsible for all these cussim wouldn't we come from
the political equivalent of the god of Wind. By the wise,
he is known as my good job?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Are you the Prince Charles of New Zealand? First forever
waiting in the wings for Queen Elizabeth to abdicate, We'll
pass the crown over because Winston's going to be eighty
one at the next election and he's still going to stand.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, we want him to stand. We want Munston to
remain for as long like an evergreen tree as he does.
I always said when I came back in twenty seven,
and I'll hang around for us long Spinston. But whether
or not that proves to me the case over the
long term less, just wait and see. I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.
Most importantly, we've got a root heart to ensure that
(05:12):
we're back in twenty twenty six because New Zealand First
has had a bad track record historically and we want
to break that track record and show that we're a
dependable set of politicians and we represent a good force
for development and balance here in New Zealand's economy and politics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, Winstone was quoted as saying, when it comes to
twenty twenty six, it's every man, and then he had
to he had to rephrase that every human being for themselves.
Is it going to be a real scrap when New
Zealand First and Act are all fighting for the same
common ground.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, you know we've got We're not campaigning for any
other party. We're campaigning and seeking an endorsement from those
Kiwis who liked the style and the mix of our politics.
And more importantly, they realized that we're steady a bunch
of people who once we seize the actual teller of
the walker, we don't want any wild lurches too far
(06:09):
to the right, too far to the left.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The final word on the hekoy and subsequent or previous
behavior in Parliament around it. Are you at war with
to party Mauri?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, no, no, I'm not at war with to Party Maori.
I'm just in the business of removing pests and insects
that are that are that are infecting the body politic.
They have no right to hold Parliament to ransom. They
had no right to interfere with the casting of votes
on David Seymour's bill, and they and they need to
(06:45):
spend more time turning up to Parliament and working like
the rest of us do. For example, when Darwood he whted,
he stood and gave his speech about David Seymour's bill,
he never talked about the bill. He spoke about how
from his perspective it was important that every New Zealand
of Maori descent joined joined the Malordi role and joined
the Maori Party. This whole thing has been driven from
(07:08):
my perspectives as a desperate attempt so that they can
increase their relevance. Now, who on earth they think they're
ever going to govern with? Govern with? That's beyond that's
beyond rationality. Labour's surrendered to the Maori Party belief that
they've got a separate sovereignty. The agreeings, as you well know,
(07:28):
a simple unicorn. Just as side it, the Malori Party
has got a long term future at all because no
one can afford to get too close to them or
govern with them.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Shane Jones and my tour Shane Jones, the Prince of
the Province is thanks for your time and I'm looking
forward to that announcement from the Coalition government around changes
to et S settings before Christmas, and I'm going to
hold you to that
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You will not be disappointed and it'll be akin to
a fat present under the tree.
Here's the Prince of the Province's Martua Shane Jones, a
text on yesterday's show to me, Jamie. If you hate
carbon farming so much, why do you call Shane Jones
your favorite politician. He's clearly the largest roadblock in the
way of changing ets settings. Yes, Shane Jones, carbon farming
(00:20):
is your fault and it all harks back to your
billion tree program.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Sadly, these apocryphal stories gather momentum whether you belong to
the Green Party or the right wing of politics. Matua
Shane Jones did not force the farmers of New Zealand
to sell their farms to investors who want to put
it into forestry. But there's always room for improvement, and
we came forward with a whole bunch of new ideas
(00:48):
that will restrict the type of land classes that can
be put back into carbon forestry, and those decisions are
on their way into the public ether very short.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Now, are you in the pocket of large marii farmer
interests here who have huge interests in forestry and carbon farming.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, if Maldy didn't want to use their forestry assets,
or their forestry investments, or their land to plant forests.
That's a decision that they make. And by the way,
the National Party signed us up with this Coyoto set
of protocols. It was your sort of third page boy,
(01:26):
John Key, who committed New Zealand to that. It certainly
wasn't Winston and I clearly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The settings on the ets are wrong. We shouldn't be
allowing one hundred percent off sets for planting pine trees.
No one else does it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, So in all seriousness, Minister Todd, our Agricultural Minister
Mark Patterson, and when our Climate Minister gets back from overseas,
a bunch of decisions going to be made. But just
you know, bear in mind that we all did campaign
on improving the HS and protecting productive farmland. But having
(02:05):
said that, how else do you want us to meet
the costs of this climate change journey? Knowing that the
party I belong to is New Zealand First, not Climate first.
I do not believe that climate change is the most
pressing issue facing humanity. I don't believe that at all.
It's one of a host of issues that we have
to manage our way through, food security, infrastructure, military security.
(02:30):
In my view, they equally rank with the challenges that
we have to adapt in terms of climate change.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Was your provincial growth fund in the twenty seventeen to
twenty Ardern government? Was that a bit of a roart?
I see you're in the news again today, Shane, this
time for tipping more money into a muscle farm and
Portuguese that's losing money year after year. Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, the muscle farming venture down in a Portugue, along
with the development of or from a Portuguy. Well, you
know New Zealand first, we are contribute to running the country,
not just for Kohi Martama, but for the entirety of
the country and that particular that particular venture. It's been
through some ups and downs. It's bobbing away and I'm
sure the next report that they give to their shareholders
(03:17):
and will be a lot more rosy.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Hang on, whoo, whoa, it's lost fifty two million dollars
since you've championed the scheme. You're just chucking good money
after bad.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Now. That's a part of New Zealand where you either
have the Crown actively investing trying to generate local economic activity,
or you sit back and what's the gang's take over?
A podokey which is why the police are constantly there
and the area is constantly in the newspaper, and we're
just not going to give up on that part of
the economy. As a government who wants to ensure that
(03:50):
there's resilience over time in rural New Zealand, rather than
surrender those areas to the gangs, were just never going
to agree to that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Did winstont wrap you, your great leader, Winston your dare lead?
Do he wrap you over the knuckles around some of
your rhetoric over Freddie the Frog?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
From time to time? You know, we have this slight
we have these slight rhetorical flourishes from my good self.
But the most important thing is that these rhetorical devices
have caught the attention of the Holy ploy and they
realize that often we've allowed the pendulum to swing too
far anti development, anti growth, And look, I can't be
(04:28):
held responsible for all these cussim wouldn't we come from
the political equivalent of the god of Wind. By the wise,
he is known as my good job?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Are you the Prince Charles of New Zealand? First forever
waiting in the wings for Queen Elizabeth to abdicate, We'll
pass the crown over because Winston's going to be eighty
one at the next election and he's still going to stand.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, we want him to stand. We want Munston to
remain for as long like an evergreen tree as he does.
I always said when I came back in twenty seven,
and I'll hang around for us long Spinston. But whether
or not that proves to me the case over the
long term less, just wait and see. I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.
Most importantly, we've got a root heart to ensure that
(05:12):
we're back in twenty twenty six because New Zealand First
has had a bad track record historically and we want
to break that track record and show that we're a
dependable set of politicians and we represent a good force
for development and balance here in New Zealand's economy and politics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, Winstone was quoted as saying, when it comes to
twenty twenty six, it's every man, and then he had
to he had to rephrase that every human being for themselves.
Is it going to be a real scrap when New
Zealand First and Act are all fighting for the same
common ground.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, you know we've got We're not campaigning for any
other party. We're campaigning and seeking an endorsement from those
Kiwis who liked the style and the mix of our politics.
And more importantly, they realized that we're steady a bunch
of people who once we seize the actual teller of
the walker, we don't want any wild lurches too far
(06:09):
to the right, too far to the left.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The final word on the hekoy and subsequent or previous
behavior in Parliament around it. Are you at war with
to party Mauri?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, no, no, I'm not at war with to Party Maori.
I'm just in the business of removing pests and insects
that are that are that are infecting the body politic.
They have no right to hold Parliament to ransom. They
had no right to interfere with the casting of votes
on David Seymour's bill, and they and they need to
(06:45):
spend more time turning up to Parliament and working like
the rest of us do. For example, when Darwood he whted,
he stood and gave his speech about David Seymour's bill,
he never talked about the bill. He spoke about how
from his perspective it was important that every New Zealand
of Maori descent joined joined the Malordi role and joined
the Maori Party. This whole thing has been driven from
(07:08):
my perspectives as a desperate attempt so that they can
increase their relevance. Now, who on earth they think they're
ever going to govern with? Govern with? That's beyond that's
beyond rationality. Labour's surrendered to the Maori Party belief that
they've got a separate sovereignty. The agreeings, as you well know,
(07:28):
a simple unicorn. Just as side it, the Malori Party
has got a long term future at all because no
one can afford to get too close to them or
govern with them.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Shane Jones and my tour Shane Jones, the Prince of
the Province is thanks for your time and I'm looking
forward to that announcement from the Coalition government around changes
to et S settings before Christmas, and I'm going to
hold you to that
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You will not be disappointed and it'll be akin to
a fat present under the tree.
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