July 28, 2024 • 6 mins
The Act Party leader climbs into the wokeness that is currently polluting our waterways policy plus we talk about not taking shortcuts in the health system and game on in Washington.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the act Party leader David Seymour, and our next
subject is right in his wheelhouse, wokeness. David Seymour is
wetting our waterways. What do you reckon? What did you
make of that o C policy statement last week around
timana O t y the expose from the Feds if
they got it right, that this could cost billions.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, you mean the Otago Regional Council, not the official
cash rate. Look as far as the Otago Regional Council goes,
it's an example of an organization that hasn't quite got
the message. And it's nearly a year since the October election.
The people voted for change and the message is still
(00:43):
filtering through to a few outfits. But that's really clear.
The rules are changing. The basic idea that your intrinsic
connection with the water as tongue at beenawa somehow Trump's
actual science that's going. And the hierarchy that the intrinsic
(01:06):
health of the water, the maori and the manner of
the water as though it's almost a mythical beast rather
than a molecule of hydrogen and oxygen, that's going. So
I suspect that that jumped the shark.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What all this nonsense? And it is nonsense. It is
worke nonsense. In my mind, the belief that a water
body has that distinct spirit and moving it from one
catchment to another, as they've done for a century in
Central Otago would reduce the mana of the water well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's part of a wider battle that is playing out
on university campuses around the world. Is the Enlightenment the
idea that where all human beings are all alike in dignity,
that there's a real world that we can study through
observation and scientific method. Is that the world we want
(01:57):
to live in, or do we want to regress to
a sort of pre galilee of world where people have
spiritual connections to physical objects. And of course, if you're
the person with the spiritual connection, then you have a
special role to plant society. And if you don't have
the spiritual connection by birth, just as the Kings and
(02:19):
the Catholics used to claim back in the day, then
you know you're sort of less important. That's the real
context here, and we've never put a government that's very
much on the Enlightenment side of that equation. And you'll
see the changes rolling through the National Policy Statement on
Freshwater to give a fetister to that philosophical.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, the rainfalls from the sky, you know, Jeeze, I'll
get in trouble for being a redneck here, but it
belongs to all of us equally, surely.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, I completely agree with that. And if there is
anyone that's got a property right or interest in water
because they own land, or because I've got a traditional
usage of a flow of water and a river or whatever,
or they own a dam, you know, then you can
have that. But that is because you have a traditional
(03:12):
property right in the use of that water. And it
may be that over time we change our system to
make those property rights more tradeable. All of that is fine,
and of course, you know, Mai, Chinese, European, Indian specific
you know, all sorts of New Zealanders will no doubt
(03:33):
participate in that market. But the idea that you have
a special role to play based on who your ancestors were, well,
I'm sorry, but that's just not a way forward for
a viable first world nation.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I absolutely agree with you. I've got bigger fish to fry,
like the health system. And while I'm on the health system,
David Parker, what's all this about downscaling than new Dunedin
Hospital before it's even built. Surely this is shortsighted to
future proof the health system, whether it's Dunedin or Auckland
or Napier or whatever, build a decent bloody hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, putting aside the fact you just called me David Parker, or.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Did I call you David Parker, Well, that was a
fraudy and slip. This is the ghost of David Parker
with the water. I'll go back to David Seymour, sorry about.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's not all David, to create an equal Look, you know,
I'm in a weird position on the hospital because I
actually have family that have worked on the project. So
I've been just to show you our government takes this
stuff seriously. I've been conflicted out. I haven't seen any
Kevinet papers for the hospital, and I leave the room
(04:43):
for discussions about it just to be cautious and show
we're doing the right thing because one of my family
member has been involved bidding for the work. So I
actually literally don't know what the status of the Needn
hospital projects is. And that's not because I don't care
about it, because people think I might care too much
so I'm sorry I can't help you with that, but
(05:04):
at least you know that the government is taking its
conflict of interest policy seriously.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I've got time for one more. Haven't got a great line, Carmela.
It's going on in the US presidential race.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it feels like there's a whole lot of new
energy there in the US. But I mean, at the
end of the day, who they vote for was up
to them. I think the issues for New Zealand is
that we need a strong US Navy in the Pacific.
Two hundred years it's been the British and then the
American Navy that had effectively kept New Zealand safe and
(05:37):
allowed us to worry about our own problems and not
have to worry about the kinds of problems that most
countries have fsed for most of their history. We've been
very fortunate in that sense. And we also need a
world of trade and a rules based order. When it
comes to the two candidates, it seems that both of
(05:59):
them are in favor of the United States turning inwards,
and as a New Zealand, I think it's a bit
of a worry.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it's no good for a trading nation like US.
David Seymour, thank you for your time. I can hear
a cop car in the background. They're coming to get you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They're actually fire engines in Wellington, so who knows. Maybe
someone's decided to finally burn down government. In case I
can figured it out of the bee.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
All right, take care see
Here's the act Party leader David Seymour, and our next
subject is right in his wheelhouse, wokeness. David Seymour is
wetting our waterways. What do you reckon? What did you
make of that o C policy statement last week around
timana O t y the expose from the Feds if
they got it right, that this could cost billions.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, you mean the Otago Regional Council, not the official
cash rate. Look as far as the Otago Regional Council goes,
it's an example of an organization that hasn't quite got
the message. And it's nearly a year since the October election.
The people voted for change and the message is still
(00:43):
filtering through to a few outfits. But that's really clear.
The rules are changing. The basic idea that your intrinsic
connection with the water as tongue at beenawa somehow Trump's
actual science that's going. And the hierarchy that the intrinsic
(01:06):
health of the water, the maori and the manner of
the water as though it's almost a mythical beast rather
than a molecule of hydrogen and oxygen, that's going. So
I suspect that that jumped the shark.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What all this nonsense? And it is nonsense. It is
worke nonsense. In my mind, the belief that a water
body has that distinct spirit and moving it from one
catchment to another, as they've done for a century in
Central Otago would reduce the mana of the water well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's part of a wider battle that is playing out
on university campuses around the world. Is the Enlightenment the
idea that where all human beings are all alike in dignity,
that there's a real world that we can study through
observation and scientific method. Is that the world we want
(01:57):
to live in, or do we want to regress to
a sort of pre galilee of world where people have
spiritual connections to physical objects. And of course, if you're
the person with the spiritual connection, then you have a
special role to plant society. And if you don't have
the spiritual connection by birth, just as the Kings and
(02:19):
the Catholics used to claim back in the day, then
you know you're sort of less important. That's the real
context here, and we've never put a government that's very
much on the Enlightenment side of that equation. And you'll
see the changes rolling through the National Policy Statement on
Freshwater to give a fetister to that philosophical.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, the rainfalls from the sky, you know, Jeeze, I'll
get in trouble for being a redneck here, but it
belongs to all of us equally, surely.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, I completely agree with that. And if there is
anyone that's got a property right or interest in water
because they own land, or because I've got a traditional
usage of a flow of water and a river or whatever,
or they own a dam, you know, then you can
have that. But that is because you have a traditional
(03:12):
property right in the use of that water. And it
may be that over time we change our system to
make those property rights more tradeable. All of that is fine,
and of course, you know, Mai, Chinese, European, Indian specific
you know, all sorts of New Zealanders will no doubt
(03:33):
participate in that market. But the idea that you have
a special role to play based on who your ancestors were, well,
I'm sorry, but that's just not a way forward for
a viable first world nation.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I absolutely agree with you. I've got bigger fish to fry,
like the health system. And while I'm on the health system,
David Parker, what's all this about downscaling than new Dunedin
Hospital before it's even built. Surely this is shortsighted to
future proof the health system, whether it's Dunedin or Auckland
or Napier or whatever, build a decent bloody hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, putting aside the fact you just called me David Parker, or.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Did I call you David Parker, Well, that was a
fraudy and slip. This is the ghost of David Parker
with the water. I'll go back to David Seymour, sorry about.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's not all David, to create an equal Look, you know,
I'm in a weird position on the hospital because I
actually have family that have worked on the project. So
I've been just to show you our government takes this
stuff seriously. I've been conflicted out. I haven't seen any
Kevinet papers for the hospital, and I leave the room
(04:43):
for discussions about it just to be cautious and show
we're doing the right thing because one of my family
member has been involved bidding for the work. So I
actually literally don't know what the status of the Needn
hospital projects is. And that's not because I don't care
about it, because people think I might care too much
so I'm sorry I can't help you with that, but
(05:04):
at least you know that the government is taking its
conflict of interest policy seriously.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I've got time for one more. Haven't got a great line, Carmela.
It's going on in the US presidential race.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it feels like there's a whole lot of new
energy there in the US. But I mean, at the
end of the day, who they vote for was up
to them. I think the issues for New Zealand is
that we need a strong US Navy in the Pacific.
Two hundred years it's been the British and then the
American Navy that had effectively kept New Zealand safe and
(05:37):
allowed us to worry about our own problems and not
have to worry about the kinds of problems that most
countries have fsed for most of their history. We've been
very fortunate in that sense. And we also need a
world of trade and a rules based order. When it
comes to the two candidates, it seems that both of
(05:59):
them are in favor of the United States turning inwards,
and as a New Zealand, I think it's a bit
of a worry.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it's no good for a trading nation like US.
David Seymour, thank you for your time. I can hear
a cop car in the background. They're coming to get you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They're actually fire engines in Wellington, so who knows. Maybe
someone's decided to finally burn down government. In case I
can figured it out of the bee.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
All right, take care see
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