March 30, 2025 • 6 mins
We asked the Act Party leader and soon-to-be Deputy Prime Minister if the current Deputy Prime Minister has cut his lunch when it comes to the “War on Woke” and pulling out of the Paris Accord. And has Seymour gone soft on the supermarkets?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fortnightly here on the Country Act, Party leaders soon to
be Deputy PM David Seymour joins, it's all about the
Paris Accord and supermarkets this week. Have you, David Seymour,
had to reign in your enthusiastic AGG spokesperson Mark Cameron
and some of his rhetic rhetoric around pulling out of
the Paris Accord.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No, because Mark's the kind of guy that people want
as a representative. He hears them and he speaks for them.
That's why I call them the authentic voice of rural
New Zealand. Mark is somebody who I think speaks his
mine very well. And if you listen to what he's saying,
that the basic position is becoming orthodox around the world. Sure,
(00:45):
everybody signed up to the Paris Climent Accord, but not
everyone's following it. And at some point a country, late
New Zealand, does have to decide if the costs of
being in are greater than the costs or the penalties
pulling out. Now, I would say that at the moment,
the consequences of market access if we were to leave,
(01:06):
probably greater than the costs of staying in, but that
calculus may shift as the rest of the world recalculates,
and I think the opportunity in the meantime that Andrew
Hogard and Mark Cameron have suggested to me is that
New Zealand should be looking to form an alliance with
like minded countries such as Uruguay, a lot of South America,
(01:27):
a lot of rice growers in Asia who are exposed
on methane emissions, to get a better deal for methane
around the world, get methane's true scientific characteristics better accepted.
And that's in part why our government, at the behest
of act, I might add, has done a new investigation
(01:49):
into the split gas approach, so we've actually got sensible
government policy to take to the world.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Has Winston Peters, David Seymour cut your lunch when it
comes to the war on work? He's made no bones
about it. He says, why are we making a ride
for our own backs being part of the Paris Accord,
punishing our farmers and our taxpayers and our economy when
China or the US could sneeze and produce more CO
two overnight than we do in a year. Does he
(02:15):
have a point?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I have to agree, because I think that's been
saying it for a bit longer and a bit more clearly,
So yes, I guess I'd have to agree he does.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I note that Winston was also sent out an email
the irony of it, as he sent one to one
of our staff members, who would be fair to say
is more center left than center right, and he was
asking her for some money to continue his war on woke.
Is the act party doing likewise?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think at some point people actually want New Zealand
to work and fit together, and you've got to be
able to articulate what you stand for and act as
a party. We believe that each person should be treated
with equal dignity, and that if you want to talk
about things like kindness, it's not about dividing people into
(03:09):
identities and chastising people that don't genuflex to the right
minority group on the right day. It's actually about recognizing
that New Zealand can only succeed when each person flourishes
in their own way, and all you need to do
is some basic rules of treating other people more kindly.
(03:30):
So look, you know, you can have a war on
woke if you like, But I think at some point
you need to ask yourself, how's it all supposed to work,
and I think treating people with basic dignity and respect.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So, David Ling, you're channeling your Justinda there. Kindness.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
No, I don't think that we should allow her to
own the word kindness. I think it's actually something that
all of us try to practice as we go through life.
It's not She doesn't own it, and frankly, she didn't
do a very good job of it. She was always
ready to whack a minority group, whether it was licensed fire,
(04:13):
our owners, farmers, landlords, small business owners. You know, they
all got picked on and pulled down at some point.
X messages that if you really believe in treating people well,
then yeah, you need to not discriminate on people's characteristics.
You need to take people as you find them and
look for the best in people. If we all do that,
I think there's no limit to David the problems we
(04:36):
can solve it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're getting you're getting soft in your old age. Have
you gone soft on the supermarkets?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I mean I look at the basic proposition the
government signed up to ask the rest of the world,
why aren't you here? That's something that I campaigned on.
I must have said that in a hundred town hauls
up and down the country and opposition. I'd actually tell
the supermarket executives from the top ten in the world,
will give you an all expenses paid weekend in Queenstown,
(05:04):
but while you're here, tell us why you won't invest.
And that is roughly without the weekend in Cleanstown. What
Nicola is proposing to do with them, I think that's
very positive. There's also speculation about breaking up businesses and
so on. I just take a couple of points about that.
The first is that you carrying on for what I
(05:25):
said before, I don't think it helps to have a
bunch of people that we make the demons and blame
for all our problems. That that's not going to get
New Zealand to a place we need to be. We
actually need to unleash more people's creativity and push up
success more, not not drag people down, just as labor
did with all those groups I mentioned. You know, we
(05:47):
don't want our government to have an oil and gas moment.
And the second thing is following on from that. You know,
we actually want people from around the world to see
New Zealand a's a great place to do business and invest,
and if they believe. But you know, if they do
a bit too well, they'll face the wrath of the
government without any notice, a little bit like how oil
(06:09):
and guess Scott shut down without notice. Then we're actually
going to get less of the investment we need. And
that's not ultimately good for anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No, neither are giopolies. David Seymour, thank you very much
for your time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Hey, thank you very much. Hope you have a great day.
And how many radio stations are there in New Zealand? Now,
I think that's almost a monopoly, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, good luck with that, David Seymour. I think the
difference between the media companies and the supermarkets at the
moment and the banks I'll throw them in there as well,
is that the media companies aren't making a fortune. Good
luck anyone else trying to enter that industry, got to go.
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I go to tell you that the products are selling
are a bit tastier than what half the media is covering.
You know, Let's see if the media covers certain stories
this week
Speaker 1 (06:54):
All right, you mean school lunches gotta go bye bye.
Fortnightly here on the Country Act, Party leaders soon to
be Deputy PM David Seymour joins, it's all about the
Paris Accord and supermarkets this week. Have you, David Seymour,
had to reign in your enthusiastic AGG spokesperson Mark Cameron
and some of his rhetic rhetoric around pulling out of
the Paris Accord.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No, because Mark's the kind of guy that people want
as a representative. He hears them and he speaks for them.
That's why I call them the authentic voice of rural
New Zealand. Mark is somebody who I think speaks his
mine very well. And if you listen to what he's saying,
that the basic position is becoming orthodox around the world. Sure,
(00:45):
everybody signed up to the Paris Climent Accord, but not
everyone's following it. And at some point a country, late
New Zealand, does have to decide if the costs of
being in are greater than the costs or the penalties
pulling out. Now, I would say that at the moment,
the consequences of market access if we were to leave,
(01:06):
probably greater than the costs of staying in, but that
calculus may shift as the rest of the world recalculates,
and I think the opportunity in the meantime that Andrew
Hogard and Mark Cameron have suggested to me is that
New Zealand should be looking to form an alliance with
like minded countries such as Uruguay, a lot of South America,
(01:27):
a lot of rice growers in Asia who are exposed
on methane emissions, to get a better deal for methane
around the world, get methane's true scientific characteristics better accepted.
And that's in part why our government, at the behest
of act, I might add, has done a new investigation
(01:49):
into the split gas approach, so we've actually got sensible
government policy to take to the world.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Has Winston Peters, David Seymour cut your lunch when it
comes to the war on work? He's made no bones
about it. He says, why are we making a ride
for our own backs being part of the Paris Accord,
punishing our farmers and our taxpayers and our economy when
China or the US could sneeze and produce more CO
two overnight than we do in a year. Does he
(02:15):
have a point?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I have to agree, because I think that's been
saying it for a bit longer and a bit more clearly,
So yes, I guess I'd have to agree he does.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I note that Winston was also sent out an email
the irony of it, as he sent one to one
of our staff members, who would be fair to say
is more center left than center right, and he was
asking her for some money to continue his war on woke.
Is the act party doing likewise?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think at some point people actually want New Zealand
to work and fit together, and you've got to be
able to articulate what you stand for and act as
a party. We believe that each person should be treated
with equal dignity, and that if you want to talk
about things like kindness, it's not about dividing people into
(03:09):
identities and chastising people that don't genuflex to the right
minority group on the right day. It's actually about recognizing
that New Zealand can only succeed when each person flourishes
in their own way, and all you need to do
is some basic rules of treating other people more kindly.
(03:30):
So look, you know, you can have a war on
woke if you like, But I think at some point
you need to ask yourself, how's it all supposed to work,
and I think treating people with basic dignity and respect.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So, David Ling, you're channeling your Justinda there. Kindness.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
No, I don't think that we should allow her to
own the word kindness. I think it's actually something that
all of us try to practice as we go through life.
It's not She doesn't own it, and frankly, she didn't
do a very good job of it. She was always
ready to whack a minority group, whether it was licensed fire,
(04:13):
our owners, farmers, landlords, small business owners. You know, they
all got picked on and pulled down at some point.
X messages that if you really believe in treating people well,
then yeah, you need to not discriminate on people's characteristics.
You need to take people as you find them and
look for the best in people. If we all do that,
I think there's no limit to David the problems we
(04:36):
can solve it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're getting you're getting soft in your old age. Have
you gone soft on the supermarkets?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I mean I look at the basic proposition the
government signed up to ask the rest of the world,
why aren't you here? That's something that I campaigned on.
I must have said that in a hundred town hauls
up and down the country and opposition. I'd actually tell
the supermarket executives from the top ten in the world,
will give you an all expenses paid weekend in Queenstown,
(05:04):
but while you're here, tell us why you won't invest.
And that is roughly without the weekend in Cleanstown. What
Nicola is proposing to do with them, I think that's
very positive. There's also speculation about breaking up businesses and
so on. I just take a couple of points about that.
The first is that you carrying on for what I
(05:25):
said before, I don't think it helps to have a
bunch of people that we make the demons and blame
for all our problems. That that's not going to get
New Zealand to a place we need to be. We
actually need to unleash more people's creativity and push up
success more, not not drag people down, just as labor
did with all those groups I mentioned. You know, we
(05:47):
don't want our government to have an oil and gas moment.
And the second thing is following on from that. You know,
we actually want people from around the world to see
New Zealand a's a great place to do business and invest,
and if they believe. But you know, if they do
a bit too well, they'll face the wrath of the
government without any notice, a little bit like how oil
(06:09):
and guess Scott shut down without notice. Then we're actually
going to get less of the investment we need. And
that's not ultimately good for anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No, neither are giopolies. David Seymour, thank you very much
for your time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Hey, thank you very much. Hope you have a great day.
And how many radio stations are there in New Zealand? Now,
I think that's almost a monopoly, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, good luck with that, David Seymour. I think the
difference between the media companies and the supermarkets at the
moment and the banks I'll throw them in there as well,
is that the media companies aren't making a fortune. Good
luck anyone else trying to enter that industry, got to go.
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I go to tell you that the products are selling
are a bit tastier than what half the media is covering.
You know, Let's see if the media covers certain stories
this week
Speaker 1 (06:54):
All right, you mean school lunches gotta go bye bye.
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