August 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Cam Eyre, George Dodson, Hugh Jackson, Philippa Wright, Barry Soper, and Chris Brandolino.
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z B. We are going to kick off the show
today with a forestry consultant who sent me a wasn't
a terse email, but he took me to task and
he also wants to take the Oracle of forestry to
task Dennis Neilson over comments he made a wee bit
(01:19):
earlier in the week on this show around forestry and
carbon farming. Does every pine tree planted? Is it planted
with the intention of harvesting it? That's the that's as
Mark Todd would say, is a bit of a curly one. Hey.
Our Farmer panel today new blood, really new blood. George
Dodson and Hugh Jackson the two most recent winners of
the FMG Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final. George
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is the twenty twenty four winner, Hugh Jackson twenty twenty five.
And I see news out from the Young Farmer Grand
Final that it's going to be held in New Plymouth
next July. Philip Arright, they call her the Queen of
the hawks Bay wool industry as she sold her business
in y Pookero and she is retiring after nearly fifty
(02:05):
years in the industry. Will get her thoughts on what
is a bit of a troubled industry at the moment?
Very sober on politics. Chris Brandolino from Earth Sciences, New Zealand,
on a day where as sheep numbers have fallen to
twenty three point three million from seventy million in nineteen
eighty two, and where food prices have risen five percent
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in the twelve months to July twenty twenty five, leading
the charge butter u forty two point two percent, cheese
twenty nine point five and milk sixteen percent. Okay, all
that to do on the show. Let's kick it off
with our forestry consultant.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yellous out.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
If we love your feedback. Here on the Country got
an email from a forestry consultant based out of New Plymouth.
His name is and he said to me, and this
is in relation to the forestry oracle Dennis Nelson, who
was on the show earlier this week. He said, asking
Dennis those questions is like asking the pr Combs, manager
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of Dairy and Z, how to put cups on the cows.
And I went back to Cam and I said, what
do you mean by all this? And he said, well,
I think Dennis is too far removed from the coal
face of the forestry industry to provide the context required.
And I think Dennis is full of it on occasions,
but I do enjoy bantering with him. Here's a question
(03:34):
for you, Cam. Here. Dennis said, as far as he knows,
every pine tree that is being planted is being planted
with the intention of harvesting it. I call Bs on that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
What do you say, You're definitely pine trees being planted
with no intention to harvest. We know that in the
market a lot of them are still being planted for production,
so it would be fair to say that it's being
beaten up the amount that being planted and with no
intention to harvest. But it's definitely happening.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
So what about Dennis's other comment that the nurseries are
kind of going broke or they're going out of business
because no one's buying pine seedlings anymore. I'm assuming that
the production forestry just grinds on the industry.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I'm talking about action forestry will roll on.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Undoubtedly, investment doesn't like uncertainty, so there will be less
production of seedlings, but from the production side of the seedlings,
that will just grind on and carry on. There's definitely
orders happening. I have clients who have ordered seedlings for
next year and they're ready to go.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
So carbon credits must be a welcome addition to the
production forestry industry.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They've certainly changed some of the cash flow scenarios, but
I guess it's also been confusion and complexity that makes
it a bit harder.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
To deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So we've just got to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Explain to me how this works, because I'm on the
outside looking in. If I'm a production forester and I've
planted a new forest. I can collect carbon credits first
time round, but after that I have to replant the forest.
I don't get carbon credits for the second rotation.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Or do I.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You're talking about is what we call averaging accounting, where
you're eligible for the first sixteen years of carbon credit
production in the first rotation only, and then you must replant.
So yes, it is a financial windfall for the first
sixteen years, and then after that it's a production forest.
So still have to buy your investment based on your
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production fundamentals.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
So let's talk about log prices at the moment. I
had someone text into the show yesterday, Cam who said
you would make three times as much money just chopping
it up for firewood.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Depends where you are. A large part of your return
is based on transport and harvesting, and so if your
topography is very steep and you're a long way from
the boat, then maybe your net return isn't as good.
But what we're seeing at the moment is the A
grade price is for this time of year, in the
winter when it's typically low. This is the best A
grade price we've had for seven years.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
August this time so that is a real positive. What
about when you get into the main season. I didn't
realize it was so seasonally price sensitive.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's not massively price sensitive, but traditionally the Chinese construction
market comes off the boil in our winter or their
summer because it's too hot, So there's a bit of
a dip and then that climbs into Q four. So yeah,
we're looking positive. They're definitely using less wood in their
construction sector. But yeah, we're set up for a reasonable
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run this summer.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
See see might beef not with the forestry industry, but
with the carbon farming industry. Is right tree, right place?
And I've seen so horrendous examples of pine trees being
planted on reasonably highly productive pastoral land and in some
cases arable land. Now cam with all the best will
in the world, that is just not right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, it doesn't matter whether it's right or not, Jamie.
Personal property rights have to be protected. Am I going
to go and plant them myself?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But I've got to get those policy settings right so
that they can get that right. It's a little bit
hard for me to comment on everybody in the market.
I can only control what I can control.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
The way the settings are or the proposed news legislation,
or drive forestry basically to the hills. But you guys
don't want to be planting production forestry in the back
of beyond and class seven, eight or nine land. It's
not suitable for harvesting forestry. Am I right in saying that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, there's only eight classes net Class seven and eight
is the super steep and erodible soil, so that's a
great way to go broke plant production pine trees on
that land and it's just not a good place to be.
So look, we have to get the settings right and
there has to be a bit of common ground.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sound final comment from your email, you said, Shane Jones
matur Shane, the Prince of the provinces might pick up
the ball and run with it and give you a hand.
Maybe he could change drill baby drill to mill baby mill.
He is, of course the billion tree man. He got
it wrong first time round. I don't know, but is
Matoo of Shane on your side?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Well, Martu has got another job to do in my
home region of Tardanaki getting us drilling. So we were
just hoping, and I guess as a production forester We
get asked a lot why can't we process more logs
in New Zealand And unfortunately our policy settings and our
ability to build mills is very restricted. So hopefully Martua
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can just change his tagline a little bit and get
mill baby mill going and we can get more production
happening in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Came here forestry consultants the Taranaki region. Love your work.
Thanks for your time, James, think you cam it is
fifteen after twelve, like that's sixteen you're with the country
brought to you by Brent, some of your feedback coming in. Well,
it's a bit late to ask him now he's just disappeared.
(09:18):
Can you ask him if there is a requirement for
fire breaks and carbon blocks. I don't know. I don't
know about that one. I know they're not managed as
well as production forestry blocks. But if we're to believe Dennis,
every pine tree is going to be harvested. Here's another
one from Pete, Northland dairy farmer. Is carbon farming causing unemployment?
(09:41):
I would say yes, What do you think, Jamie? Well,
certainly in the initial stage is absolutely because land sheep
and beef country that would have employed shepherds and farmers.
They're gone. There's obviously a planting crew come in. Some
of these carbon farms are not being prune so there's
no pruning coming through, and if they're not going to
be harvested, there's no logers coming in either. So an
(10:03):
answer to your question, Pete, I'd say definitely yes, and
some feedback and on on cam heres who we've just
cam here? Should I say? Who we've just heard from?
Good o' whacka boy that's in South Otago and of
course and Michelle's from down that neck of the woods
and that is an area that is an area that
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is being taken over by pine trees. He also ex
Northland loose forward. I knew that actually. I think he
played with Gus Collins and all those guys and a
very good Northland side in the two thousands or early
twenty tens. He's gone so I can't ask him anyhow.
Good feedback, We love your feedback here on the Country.
(10:45):
Sent it through today on five double O nine. Up
next it is the Young Farmer Panel YEP. The two
most recent winners of the FMG Young Farmer of the
Year Grand Final, George Dodson and Hugh Jackson up now,
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I was.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Down with the balls, catching up Ben and the on Lie.
You didn't know till we walked in it was carryogain.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Today's Farmer Panel is a young Farmer panel. In fact,
they're the most recent Young Farmers of the Year. George
Dodson twenty twenty four FMG Young Farmer of the Year
and this bloke's still fresh his name as Hugh Jackson
is the twenty twenty five FMG Young Farmer of the Year. Okay, George,
we'll give you senior rights here, seeing you got the
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title one year earlier your dairy farming in Darfield. How's
the season treating.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
You, oh, Jamie, It's great to be on the show again.
It's been a relatively poor winter. I suppose it's been
quite cold, reasonably wet, but we seem to be getting
a good patch now, so it's trying things out and
we'll hopefully kick onto a beautiful spring.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How far through carving are you.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
I'm just up the hell sort of out the back
of Darfield. So we start about two weeks later than
most of Canterbury, so we're only probably about fifteen percent through.
We started our plans start with the thirteenth of August.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Hugh Jackson. You're at Tiarkaw, just up the road from Ragland,
or down the road from Ragland, sheep and beef farmer.
I didn't think there was many sheep farmers left up
that neck of the woods. Good afternoon you, Good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
No, there's still any around and cheaper land classes where
it's a bit rougher like where we are out here
in Tiacoo right on the west coast, and we've had
a pretty good winter and having a really nice week
or so a week and a half just recently. Frosty
mornings but beautiful, fine sunny days, so we'll take that
for sure.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You're carrying a lot of balls, rearing a lot of balls,
so that's beef. You must be laughing all the way
to the bank. You what with that and all the
money you want as young farmer of the year.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Yeah, definitely good times to be finishing balls. We buy
them in is twelve months of age at the earliest
and sort of eighteen months at the oldest is what
we aim to do and try and aim to buy
that lighter weight class, so around the three hundred kick
kg mark or even lighter when they're at the twelve
months of age. You like to buy the balls pretty
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hard done so that we try and get a bit
of compensatory growth and they kick away for us afterwards.
But the problem is that we've got to buy them
in Jamie. It's you've got to go to the bank
to do that too, so she's pretty expensive on that
side of the ledge as well, but good, good returns
at the other side, so they can't complain.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
How do you get on working with the bulls in
the kettle yards. You'd have to be pretty quick on
your feet, wouldn't you. It's not for the faint hearted.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Yeah, they definitely get a bit towy when they get
a bit bigger, but most of them are hand read
sort of freedom balls. Is the majority of what we've
got from the dairy industry, so try and try and
help them out with their body calf issue. And we
we've been spring drinching at the moment actually, so some
of them are pretty big, that's for sure. But he's
got to have your what's about here and probably common
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sort of stock sense and make sure you are standing
in the right place at the right time year So that's.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Hugh Jackson twenty twenty five. Current Young Farmer of the
Year George Dodson won it last year twenty twenty four.
The interesting thing about you, too, George, is that your
mates because you were both members of the Thornberry Young
Farmers Club way down in Southland, just outside of in
the Cargo. Tell me how that came about.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie, it's it's a bit of a
cool story really, you know. I first I moved back
down to south And a couple of years ago just
to have a cracket managing a farm down there for
a year and join the Thornbury Club. And Hugh was
actually the first guy that came up to me and
said today and sort of made some conversation. So it
was certainly a pretty cool moment.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
We did quite a bit of Young Farmer stuff together
over that year and kept in touch pretty well, so
it was pretty heartwarming moment to see him get the title.
And I know how much he's put into it. He's
a great mate as well as a great person.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Hey, Hugh, have you ever competed head to head against
Georgia district or regional level?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Yeah, we competed against each other in twenty twenty two
and I managed to qualify for Grand Final first time
round after going on to the regionals and then managing
to get through that and coming up against Immopool obviously
and Peter O'Connor who finished first and second that first
time round, I had a crack. So it was really
(15:29):
cool when just shows you George finished fifth I think
it was that year and they took the top four through,
so forgive it from him to pick himself back up
the following year and even though he didn't qualify at
the districts the year before, and go all the way
and take it out.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So oh, so, Hugh, you've got bragging rights?
Speaker 9 (15:49):
Oh well, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
No, but I guess George can say he won it first.
All right, listen, I'll stick with you, Hugh Jackson. You're
the current Young Farmer of the Year. You've really only
had the title of just over a month. How's it
changed your life?
Speaker 9 (16:03):
It's been busy, Jamie.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:06):
Obviously shot over to Tanzania for a couple of weeks
for a holiday, which was pretty awesome and made me
appreciate New Zealand a whole lot better, a whole lot more.
When I came back, that's for sure, to the different
world over there, and we don't know how lucky we are,
but definitely enjoying the opportunity to for my best foot
forward and do a few interviews. Definitely has helped me
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get my brand and my name out there. And I
got a few speaking engagements coming up in November. One
of them is the Thornberry Young Cramer's ninetieth reunion, which
I'm really looking forward to. So if you're around in
the area and been part of the club or just
involved in any way, make sure you belong to that.
And yeah, so looking forward to that opportunity of relishing
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my sort of public speaking skills and improving them and
also trying to do my book for the industry and
promoting promoting it, getting young people into it. I'm also
happy to talk about mental health stuff as well. So
if if you need your speaker or whatever or just yeah,
feel free to get in touch.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
George. How has it changed your life one year on
and improve your public speaking?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Yes, certainly has, Jamie. You know, there was a bit
of a pressure cooker at that We're Real support trust
debate a couple of months ago, and you know you
have to do the speeches for the Young farm of
the Air competition, and then you know, you're just talking
to people in general. I think you get a lot
better just communicating with people and building relationships.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
So we've just had the announcement this week that the
Young Farmer of the Air Grand Final returns to the
Taranaki region for season fifty eight. You'll both be in
New Plymouth July second to fourth next year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Y yeah, planning to be there.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
All right, lads, thanks for your time. I think it's
a wonderful story. You're a good panel. You keep us
younger here on the country. God knows we need that.
Keep up the great work as the twenty twenty four
and twenty twenty five FMG Young Farmers of the Year respectively,
go well, enjoy the next month on your farm's very
important farming month.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Thanks Jamie, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That is George Dodson twenty twenty four, Hugh Jackson twenty
twenty five. Future of farmings in good hands. When you
look at the likes of those two, Tim dangel Emmerpool
last four winners, Hey, lots of feedback coming in about
the carbon farming juice you're getting stuck into them. M
(18:26):
Can you please ask him Jamie. I can't because he's
gone Cam, but I can send him an email on
your behalf ask him if there is a requirement for
fire breaks in carbon blocks. And that's from Sarah and
I think Michelle, who's wandered into the studio. I dispatched
her and said, go and look up. Do we need
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a fire break if you're a carbon farmer?
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Well, according to Ai, it's his yes, but I think
it's around who actually is the regulatory body for that,
who checks them? So I'm going to go do some
investigation this afternoon around that and find out Monday.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Oh, you lead a fascinating life. That's you can spend
your weekend doing that. Well, I'd imagine if you were
a carbon farmer or a production forestry farmer, would be
in your own best interest to have a fire break.
I'm just assuming you'd have one because your carbon credits,
as Cam said, come in the first what fifteen or
sixteen years, But if the thing burns down before that time,
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you've missed out on the carbon credits. And I think
of it burns down, you're probably obligated and someone can
text it and tell me this, you'd have to replant
it if you'd claimed carbon credits. So yeah, what's the
other one? This no fire as a text and no
firebreaks in Northland, and no water storage either for any
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pine trees that I've seen planted, because the production forestry
guys do have the firebreaks, they do have the dams,
and they do have firefighting protection as you would want
to for your investment. And here's another one. Do carbon
farmers have an obligation to provide a water source for
fire fighting or do they just flog it from the
neighbor's stockwater dams that's happened before. Jeez, you're getting stuck
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into the carbon farmers. I'm feeling sorry for them. Up next,
we'll go from carbon farming to wall As I mentioned
at the top of the show, we've only got twenty
three point three million sheep left in this country. We've
dropped by one percent year on year from last year.
Perhaps a wee bit more worrying. The number of breeding
news continues to decline. We're down nearly two percent. The
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lamb crop forecast is well. The lamb cropper's forecast to
be zero point six percent lower this season. That's nearly
one hundred and twenty thousand few head for slaughter on
top of a one point two million dollar one point
two million dollar try that again, on top of a
I've got so many numbers in front of me, I'm
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going cross eyed, on top of a one point two
million reduction and lambs available for slaughter last year. Interesting times.
So up next to the wall industry, does it have
a future? Let's talk to someone who's had a great
past in the industry, in fact, nearly fifty years. She
is the Queen of hawks Bay waller. Name is Philip A. Wright.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Jellous if he can flip the cat any every year
to California and this ons over California.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Smy Caroline. I read a really interesting story on the
Herald Online yesterday. I think it may have originated from
our paper in the hawks Bay region hawks Bay Today,
and the title said, well, the story said, a queen
of the hawks Bay wooll industry, Philip A. Wright, has
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sold her business in Waypokeo and is retiring after almost
fifty years in the industry. And I thought, Philippa, that's
worth a bit of a yarn in a past life.
Apparently you weren't the queen of wool. You were the
dag Queen.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
Yes, I know, I'm quite pleased with the raising of
the bar there.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
We started a dag crushing industry in White Poko some
years ago and I got that title of the deare Queen,
which went down rather well with the locals.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
So how did you get into the wall industry there on?
Forty eight years ago? We don't want to age you
too much, Philippa.
Speaker 12 (22:30):
I started in the woolsheds in the Mackenzie Country. My
father was a wall buyer and a shed classer, so
after I came back from anass scholarship in America, I
had a bit of time to fill in, so he
put me straight in the.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Sheds and I started started there.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
I spent probably eighteen months working around that area. In
the meantime I had gone up to Messy and done
a wall diploma because I figured out that if I
did this wall course, I could actually earn much more
money classing and preaps carry on traveling for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So in nearly fifty years in the wall industry, Philip, Arright,
you've ridden the highs and no doubt endured the lows
or the troughs. I mean, we're in a trough now,
there's no sugar coating this. And I think back to
the nineteen eighties, I was a young farmer. Wall made
up two thirds of my income my health. How the
worm has.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Turned, it has.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
It's been an up and down journey and it's continuing
to be so. And I can remember, like even my
dad going through some pretty bad years in his time
as well. There were ups and downs then, and so
I don't think it's ever really changed. I mean, we're
still a commodity. We're still selling a commodity. And until
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we find ways to develop products with a higher value
so that we can better reward our growers, I think
we're going to struggle for a wee while.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
But I do believe that that is going to happen.
And that's another reason.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
That's one of the reasons why I have chosen to
move aside now, because I think those young people need
to be let in, they need to come in. They
think differently, they behave differently, they understand technology differently, and
their minds will take.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
It to a different level, which I just don't think
that we're we're able to anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Well, I think you're underselling yourself there, Philip. Look what
we need and this is my take on it is
another mainstream use for strong crossbread wall other than carpets.
We haven't found that yet.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
No, no, And we need carpets. We need carpets because
it uses such a bulk, you know, it uses a
lot of wool. And we do produce still, even though
we've only got twenty three million sheep or so, we
still produce a lot of good quality wool that is
excellent for carpets and rugs and blankets and those stronger
type products.
Speaker 11 (25:02):
But we somehow have to develop a way to convince.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
The consumer of the value of putting a carpet in
the home or using insulation in the home, and.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
That it's really tough.
Speaker 12 (25:19):
I mean, if there was an answer, We've been working
on this for years and years and there really hasn't
been anything that different.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Even in the last ten years.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
There's lots of people coming up with new ideas, but
it's basically the same kind of end product.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Just to finish on very quickly. You're stepping aside. You've
sold your wall business, but you are going to remain
a board member for the Campaign for Wool.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Yes, yes, I believe strongly in what the Campaign for
War has done over the last fifteen years, and we
are advocating the wall attributes and we're trying to educate.
We're educating a generation that we've missed several generations in between,
and I think that happened with.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
The demise of the wall board.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
But aside from that, we need to keep the conversation going.
And I think in the last few years a campaign
has done a fantastic job of just re igniting the
interest in wall We hear it in the media, now
we hear it from the towns. People are starting to
understand their value. So we have to keep working on that.
Speaker 11 (26:28):
And there is the slow road, but I believe it's
a really necessary road.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Philip A. Right, the Queen of the Hawks Bay wool Industry,
the artist formerly known as the Dad Queen. I great
to catch up on the country. Good luck in your
semi retirement. Okay, thank you, Jenie, thank you Philip, and
good luck. You are a legend. Right It is twenty
two away from one year with the country. Brought to
you by Brent Mori your feedback forestry has a free ride,
(26:58):
says dr when it comes to re Galatians by law,
I need more consents and plans to plant a paddock
of swedes than huge whole farm forest do. I don't
know whether that's true or not. But things are that odd,
doesn't it up? Next to Michelle with Rural News, We'll
have a look at sports news. Gee, We're worried, as
(27:18):
I said on yesterday's ship show, Michelle, about the farmland,
the good farmland going to forestry. What about the good netballers?
Another one's gone today. Plus the All Blacks have named
their test site.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
A glass of River. It'll be at dark.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Gee, Michelle, I was thinking, you've Chuck and Alan Jackson
and Chattahoochee. But this is This is Good Times and
Tan Lines by Zach Topps.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
Not I think it is at number twenty on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, it's number twelve. I know that because you've
given me a list. They're all the catchy this country stuff,
good tim ta good good love, going country on the
country On a Friday, Here's Rural News.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The Country's world news with Cod Cadet, New Zealand's leading
right on Lawnbower Brand, visit steel Ford dot cots for
your local stockist.
Speaker 10 (28:29):
And Auckland's event Fighters Stadium was buzzing last night as
New Zealand's top butchers battled it out in the National
Butchery Awards. Anton Rameka from New World Munga Fi claimed
the Packed Packaging Young Butcher of the Year title well
Alex Pello from New World Matt Monganui took home the
ans Kofoods Butcher Apprentice Award. The event also featured a
trans tasment twist with Australia's Black Gloves Team trying for
(28:51):
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the twenty twenty eight World Butcher's chal showcasing showcasing key
Kee Wee craftmanship on the global stage. I didn't think
it much about when I wrote that I was going
to get through that sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Well, ckily for you, you didn't get through the sentence.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Gee.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
There's some terrible news reading and sports reading on this show. Geez,
We're going to have to do something about that. Wonder
if I can get through the sports news without a stumble,
let me try sport.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
We're an av go Kiwi to the bone since nineteen.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Oh four, so all blacks coach Scott Robertson is adamant
an extended break after the July series against France will
benefit them on Sunday morning against Argentina and Cordoba. Both
sides have had a longer spell off than usual prior
to the Rugby Championship owing to the Wallabies Lions series.
Scott Barrett's back as captain after missing the last two
(29:52):
Tests against France with a calf injury, and Robertson says
they're ready. The coach says they've recharged and it's like
an extra pre season. And as I said a wee
bit earlier, and I teased a wee bit earlier, the
exodus of Silver Ferns to Australia's Super Netball continues. Mainland
Tactics shooter Tapaya Selby Rickett is leaving the a n
(30:14):
Z Premiership side to join the Queensland Firebirds. Who isn't
Selby Rickett joins Ferns, Kelly Jackson and Maddie Gordon at
the franchise. And there is an er free read Michelle,
you better do better on Monday the sports shoes. I
don't think I'll do an era free one on a Monday,
but that wasn't bad by my standards. Up next, Barry Soaper,
(30:37):
My goodness, Chippy getting a mauling from Hosk Chloe publicity stunt,
COVID inquiry, you name it. It's all happened this week.
And Chris Brandolino from Earth Science is in z.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Where are you from and what's your feverite change?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
She says, Shad I coming down on me.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Now she's singing, girls just want to have fun.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
This is number three on the iHeart Country charts. Russell
Dickerson happened to me. Harrysopa joins us out of Auckland.
Do you like country music, Barrier, especially this new American stuff?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I do quite like it, Jamie. I like country music,
of course, being from Gore.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Yeah, exactly. You'd be more Charlie Pride and Glenn Campbell, didn't.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You, oh of course? And John Ware and you know
Dusty Spittle.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Dusty geez. Okay, hey listen. When I was walking down
to work this morning, a bloke came across the road
and said good and shook my hand, and I half
blind in my old age, I said, oh, okoday, Karen
And it was Karen MacNulty and Kieren and I go
back quite a long way. He used to be on
this show regularly as the tab bookie and when we
used to do a sports yeah. Yeah, so, And I've
(31:53):
always liked him. Don't agree with his politics all the time,
but he's a likable sort of blow. Is he a
potential labor leader as Chippy cut the mustard?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Well, you know, the word has been mentioned that if
Tippy goes it, maybe Karen McNulty. I don't think so.
I don't think he's leadership material, but that's personal.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Due So who would it be. Would it be someone
like Barbara Edmonds?
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
More likely, But you know, I think Tippy will be
will and truly in there until the next election. At
least have given the opinion polls, because he, in fact,
as far as the public goes it would seem has
done quite well. Although just failing to front the COVID
Royal Commission is to me nothing short of a disgrace
(32:38):
and it should impact on both certainly Chris Hipkins and
Aisha Peril, the other two sitting politicians, and of course
you've got Grant Robertson living in your city of Dunedin
as the vice chancellor of Attiger University and Dame just
and Dern swarming around internationally telling us all a wonderful.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yes, she's run the hells did you hear Keith filling
in on Hosking this morning talking about what Jacinda gets
paid for a speech compared to him, I know who
i'd seen or listen to.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Well, I know who I'd seen and listened to as well.
I didn't hear him say that we must go back
and have a listen.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Well, he didn't throw some numbers out there, but he
said she gets paid a whole lot more because she's
a more chat GBT said she's a more empathetic leader.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Well, that's what you would all have us believe. And
what I'd like to have heard was for her to
front up to the Royal Commission like she did daily
on the pulpit of truth and just tell us why
certain decisions were made and how that was showing much
(33:44):
empathy for people that wanted to be with dying loved ones.
But we're prevented from doing so, fathers prevented from being
at the birth of their children. I mean, the list
goes on and on and on.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Hardly Okay, Berry, just perhaps finally is Chloe now the
most insufferable politician in the house.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Well you know here she was. She stood and made
what was a reasonable speech. I mean, earlier in the
week she had draped her seat with a flowell. The
same day, actually earlier in the day, she had draped
her seat with a Palestinian flag, but wrapped around her
shoulders when she was told off by the speaker. And
she made her quite a good, impatient speech right until
(34:29):
the end when she ruined it and made herself the
centerpiece of the story. She could have simply stood withdrawn
and apologized for saying that the opposite or the government
was spineless. It would have been all done and dusted.
But no, she had to crandstand and become the center
(34:49):
of the story. The suffering in Gaza should be the
center of the story, and certainly not Chloe Swarbrick.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
No, well we're suffering, Chloe, and I agree with you.
It is a bit of a well it's a human
rights atrocity, mind you. The Big Din he might he
can get peace in Ukraine, Russia, Surely he can cut
a deal in Gaza.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, I wouldn't put money on it to either.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Actually, Jamie, okay, Bez, thanks to your time, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Barry Sober their a political correspond to got to take
a break on the other side of it. If I
can track him down from Earth Sciences z I wish
they'd stuck with me, were Chris Brandolinos.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
It is.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I can't make up my mind. Five or six away
from one, five and a half away from one? How
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it an Eddie. Chris Brendolino from Earth Sciences, New Zealand.
I still have trouble getting the tongue around that formerly
of Nila, Chris. We're enjoying a glorious die at the
(36:19):
bottom of the South Island today in Dunedan. How long
will it last?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Good day out of I think for the short answer, Look,
there will be some rain that comes in for much
of the country. Looks like tomorrow. This will chiefly be
I guess tomorrow, late Tomorrow and to early Sunday, so
for the upper North Island, much of the North Island.
In fact, we'll see rain at least a period of
rain this weekend from the Bay of Plenty, Trafati, Gisban, Northland,
Auckland and the Waikato, and some of that rain does
(36:46):
get into Hawks Bay, and also a bit of rain
probably toward Southland, Fjordland and toward your neck of the woods, Jimmy.
That looks to be probably Sunday evening into Monday morning,
a good drop of rain which will move into the
eastern South Island, so the eastern South Island, Canterbury, Marlborough,
you'll see some rain, looks like Monday, later Monday to Tuesday,
and that'll be with another I guess, puff of chili air,
(37:10):
huge high pressure coming in next week. Now it will
turn colder for a few days next week. We're gonna
see temperatures warm up with that rain, so not as
chili but a return to chili temperatures. It looks like
probably middle part of next week and beyond for at
least a few days, maybe not quite as cold, and
then the last week of August into early September, we
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are going to see some visitors from the north. It
looks like was into a very active period to end
the month of August and winter meteorological winter for that matter,
and open up the books on spring. I should have
mentioned real quick. Noah in the United States has issued
a La Ninia watch, So we'll be watching for the
potential of La Nina to emerge in the tropical Pacific,
(37:53):
which we'll have flowing effects here. More than that, as
Tommy evolves to hear the.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Music, time to go, so it might you have a
good weekend. Chris sprain Ano from NIWA wrapping the country.
Just a bit of a text and listen to this
six dollars thirty five six dollars thirty five pikilo kilogram
for angus yieldings at the Tikoite spring sale today. Now
I remind you that's on the hoof, not on the hook.
That is huge money, black gold the Angus beef cattle.
(38:20):
Catch your back on Monday. Go the stags tonight.
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in the saddle like I am today and will be
tomorrow morning. But we six and seven on News Talk
z B. We are going to kick off the show
today with a forestry consultant who sent me a wasn't
a terse email, but he took me to task and
he also wants to take the Oracle of forestry to
task Dennis Neilson over comments he made a wee bit
(01:19):
earlier in the week on this show around forestry and
carbon farming. Does every pine tree planted? Is it planted
with the intention of harvesting it? That's the that's as
Mark Todd would say, is a bit of a curly one. Hey.
Our Farmer panel today new blood, really new blood. George
Dodson and Hugh Jackson the two most recent winners of
the FMG Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final. George
(01:43):
is the twenty twenty four winner, Hugh Jackson twenty twenty five.
And I see news out from the Young Farmer Grand
Final that it's going to be held in New Plymouth
next July. Philip Arright, they call her the Queen of
the hawks Bay wool industry as she sold her business
in y Pookero and she is retiring after nearly fifty
(02:05):
years in the industry. Will get her thoughts on what
is a bit of a troubled industry at the moment?
Very sober on politics. Chris Brandolino from Earth Sciences, New Zealand,
on a day where as sheep numbers have fallen to
twenty three point three million from seventy million in nineteen
eighty two, and where food prices have risen five percent
(02:27):
in the twelve months to July twenty twenty five, leading
the charge butter u forty two point two percent, cheese
twenty nine point five and milk sixteen percent. Okay, all
that to do on the show. Let's kick it off
with our forestry consultant.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yellous out.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
If we love your feedback. Here on the Country got
an email from a forestry consultant based out of New Plymouth.
His name is and he said to me, and this
is in relation to the forestry oracle Dennis Nelson, who
was on the show earlier this week. He said, asking
Dennis those questions is like asking the pr Combs, manager
(03:13):
of Dairy and Z, how to put cups on the cows.
And I went back to Cam and I said, what
do you mean by all this? And he said, well,
I think Dennis is too far removed from the coal
face of the forestry industry to provide the context required.
And I think Dennis is full of it on occasions,
but I do enjoy bantering with him. Here's a question
(03:34):
for you, Cam. Here. Dennis said, as far as he knows,
every pine tree that is being planted is being planted
with the intention of harvesting it. I call Bs on that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
What do you say, You're definitely pine trees being planted
with no intention to harvest. We know that in the
market a lot of them are still being planted for production,
so it would be fair to say that it's being
beaten up the amount that being planted and with no
intention to harvest. But it's definitely happening.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
So what about Dennis's other comment that the nurseries are
kind of going broke or they're going out of business
because no one's buying pine seedlings anymore. I'm assuming that
the production forestry just grinds on the industry.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I'm talking about action forestry will roll on.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Undoubtedly, investment doesn't like uncertainty, so there will be less
production of seedlings, but from the production side of the seedlings,
that will just grind on and carry on. There's definitely
orders happening. I have clients who have ordered seedlings for
next year and they're ready to go.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
So carbon credits must be a welcome addition to the
production forestry industry.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They've certainly changed some of the cash flow scenarios, but
I guess it's also been confusion and complexity that makes
it a bit harder.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
To deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So we've just got to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Explain to me how this works, because I'm on the
outside looking in. If I'm a production forester and I've
planted a new forest. I can collect carbon credits first
time round, but after that I have to replant the forest.
I don't get carbon credits for the second rotation.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Or do I.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You're talking about is what we call averaging accounting, where
you're eligible for the first sixteen years of carbon credit
production in the first rotation only, and then you must replant.
So yes, it is a financial windfall for the first
sixteen years, and then after that it's a production forest.
So still have to buy your investment based on your
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production fundamentals.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
So let's talk about log prices at the moment. I
had someone text into the show yesterday, Cam who said
you would make three times as much money just chopping
it up for firewood.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Depends where you are. A large part of your return
is based on transport and harvesting, and so if your
topography is very steep and you're a long way from
the boat, then maybe your net return isn't as good.
But what we're seeing at the moment is the A
grade price is for this time of year, in the
winter when it's typically low. This is the best A
grade price we've had for seven years.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
August this time so that is a real positive. What
about when you get into the main season. I didn't
realize it was so seasonally price sensitive.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's not massively price sensitive, but traditionally the Chinese construction
market comes off the boil in our winter or their
summer because it's too hot, So there's a bit of
a dip and then that climbs into Q four. So yeah,
we're looking positive. They're definitely using less wood in their
construction sector. But yeah, we're set up for a reasonable
(06:52):
run this summer.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
See see might beef not with the forestry industry, but
with the carbon farming industry. Is right tree, right place?
And I've seen so horrendous examples of pine trees being
planted on reasonably highly productive pastoral land and in some
cases arable land. Now cam with all the best will
in the world, that is just not right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, it doesn't matter whether it's right or not, Jamie.
Personal property rights have to be protected. Am I going
to go and plant them myself?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But I've got to get those policy settings right so
that they can get that right. It's a little bit
hard for me to comment on everybody in the market.
I can only control what I can control.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
The way the settings are or the proposed news legislation,
or drive forestry basically to the hills. But you guys
don't want to be planting production forestry in the back
of beyond and class seven, eight or nine land. It's
not suitable for harvesting forestry. Am I right in saying that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, there's only eight classes net Class seven and eight
is the super steep and erodible soil, so that's a
great way to go broke plant production pine trees on
that land and it's just not a good place to be.
So look, we have to get the settings right and
there has to be a bit of common ground.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Sound final comment from your email, you said, Shane Jones
matur Shane, the Prince of the provinces might pick up
the ball and run with it and give you a hand.
Maybe he could change drill baby drill to mill baby mill.
He is, of course the billion tree man. He got
it wrong first time round. I don't know, but is
Matoo of Shane on your side?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Well, Martu has got another job to do in my
home region of Tardanaki getting us drilling. So we were
just hoping, and I guess as a production forester We
get asked a lot why can't we process more logs
in New Zealand And unfortunately our policy settings and our
ability to build mills is very restricted. So hopefully Martua
(08:51):
can just change his tagline a little bit and get
mill baby mill going and we can get more production
happening in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Came here forestry consultants the Taranaki region. Love your work.
Thanks for your time, James, think you cam it is
fifteen after twelve, like that's sixteen you're with the country
brought to you by Brent, some of your feedback coming in. Well,
it's a bit late to ask him now he's just disappeared.
(09:18):
Can you ask him if there is a requirement for
fire breaks and carbon blocks. I don't know. I don't
know about that one. I know they're not managed as
well as production forestry blocks. But if we're to believe Dennis,
every pine tree is going to be harvested. Here's another
one from Pete, Northland dairy farmer. Is carbon farming causing unemployment?
(09:41):
I would say yes, What do you think, Jamie? Well,
certainly in the initial stage is absolutely because land sheep
and beef country that would have employed shepherds and farmers.
They're gone. There's obviously a planting crew come in. Some
of these carbon farms are not being prune so there's
no pruning coming through, and if they're not going to
be harvested, there's no logers coming in either. So an
(10:03):
answer to your question, Pete, I'd say definitely yes, and
some feedback and on on cam heres who we've just
cam here? Should I say? Who we've just heard from?
Good o' whacka boy that's in South Otago and of
course and Michelle's from down that neck of the woods
and that is an area that is an area that
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is being taken over by pine trees. He also ex
Northland loose forward. I knew that actually. I think he
played with Gus Collins and all those guys and a
very good Northland side in the two thousands or early
twenty tens. He's gone so I can't ask him anyhow.
Good feedback, We love your feedback here on the Country.
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Sent it through today on five double O nine. Up
next it is the Young Farmer Panel YEP. The two
most recent winners of the FMG Young Farmer of the
Year Grand Final, George Dodson and Hugh Jackson up now,
(11:08):
I was.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Down with the balls, catching up Ben and the on Lie.
You didn't know till we walked in it was carryogain.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Today's Farmer Panel is a young Farmer panel. In fact,
they're the most recent Young Farmers of the Year. George
Dodson twenty twenty four FMG Young Farmer of the Year
and this bloke's still fresh his name as Hugh Jackson
is the twenty twenty five FMG Young Farmer of the Year. Okay, George,
we'll give you senior rights here, seeing you got the
(11:41):
title one year earlier your dairy farming in Darfield. How's
the season treating.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
You, oh, Jamie, It's great to be on the show again.
It's been a relatively poor winter. I suppose it's been
quite cold, reasonably wet, but we seem to be getting
a good patch now, so it's trying things out and
we'll hopefully kick onto a beautiful spring.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How far through carving are you.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
I'm just up the hell sort of out the back
of Darfield. So we start about two weeks later than
most of Canterbury, so we're only probably about fifteen percent through.
We started our plans start with the thirteenth of August.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Hugh Jackson. You're at Tiarkaw, just up the road from Ragland,
or down the road from Ragland, sheep and beef farmer.
I didn't think there was many sheep farmers left up
that neck of the woods. Good afternoon you, Good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
No, there's still any around and cheaper land classes where
it's a bit rougher like where we are out here
in Tiacoo right on the west coast, and we've had
a pretty good winter and having a really nice week
or so a week and a half just recently. Frosty
mornings but beautiful, fine sunny days, so we'll take that
for sure.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You're carrying a lot of balls, rearing a lot of balls,
so that's beef. You must be laughing all the way
to the bank. You what with that and all the
money you want as young farmer of the year.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Yeah, definitely good times to be finishing balls. We buy
them in is twelve months of age at the earliest
and sort of eighteen months at the oldest is what
we aim to do and try and aim to buy
that lighter weight class, so around the three hundred kick
kg mark or even lighter when they're at the twelve
months of age. You like to buy the balls pretty
(13:21):
hard done so that we try and get a bit
of compensatory growth and they kick away for us afterwards.
But the problem is that we've got to buy them
in Jamie. It's you've got to go to the bank
to do that too, so she's pretty expensive on that
side of the ledge as well, but good, good returns
at the other side, so they can't complain.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
How do you get on working with the bulls in
the kettle yards. You'd have to be pretty quick on
your feet, wouldn't you. It's not for the faint hearted.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Yeah, they definitely get a bit towy when they get
a bit bigger, but most of them are hand read
sort of freedom balls. Is the majority of what we've
got from the dairy industry, so try and try and
help them out with their body calf issue. And we
we've been spring drinching at the moment actually, so some
of them are pretty big, that's for sure. But he's
got to have your what's about here and probably common
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sort of stock sense and make sure you are standing
in the right place at the right time year So that's.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Hugh Jackson twenty twenty five. Current Young Farmer of the
Year George Dodson won it last year twenty twenty four.
The interesting thing about you, too, George, is that your
mates because you were both members of the Thornberry Young
Farmers Club way down in Southland, just outside of in
the Cargo. Tell me how that came about.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie, it's it's a bit of a
cool story really, you know. I first I moved back
down to south And a couple of years ago just
to have a cracket managing a farm down there for
a year and join the Thornbury Club. And Hugh was
actually the first guy that came up to me and
said today and sort of made some conversation. So it
was certainly a pretty cool moment.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
We did quite a bit of Young Farmer stuff together
over that year and kept in touch pretty well, so
it was pretty heartwarming moment to see him get the title.
And I know how much he's put into it. He's
a great mate as well as a great person.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Hey, Hugh, have you ever competed head to head against
Georgia district or regional level?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Yeah, we competed against each other in twenty twenty two
and I managed to qualify for Grand Final first time
round after going on to the regionals and then managing
to get through that and coming up against Immopool obviously
and Peter O'Connor who finished first and second that first
time round, I had a crack. So it was really
(15:29):
cool when just shows you George finished fifth I think
it was that year and they took the top four through,
so forgive it from him to pick himself back up
the following year and even though he didn't qualify at
the districts the year before, and go all the way
and take it out.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So oh, so, Hugh, you've got bragging rights?
Speaker 9 (15:49):
Oh well, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
No, but I guess George can say he won it first.
All right, listen, I'll stick with you, Hugh Jackson. You're
the current Young Farmer of the Year. You've really only
had the title of just over a month. How's it
changed your life?
Speaker 9 (16:03):
It's been busy, Jamie.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:06):
Obviously shot over to Tanzania for a couple of weeks
for a holiday, which was pretty awesome and made me
appreciate New Zealand a whole lot better, a whole lot more.
When I came back, that's for sure, to the different
world over there, and we don't know how lucky we are,
but definitely enjoying the opportunity to for my best foot
forward and do a few interviews. Definitely has helped me
(16:29):
get my brand and my name out there. And I
got a few speaking engagements coming up in November. One
of them is the Thornberry Young Cramer's ninetieth reunion, which
I'm really looking forward to. So if you're around in
the area and been part of the club or just
involved in any way, make sure you belong to that.
And yeah, so looking forward to that opportunity of relishing
(16:51):
my sort of public speaking skills and improving them and
also trying to do my book for the industry and
promoting promoting it, getting young people into it. I'm also
happy to talk about mental health stuff as well. So
if if you need your speaker or whatever or just yeah,
feel free to get in touch.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
George. How has it changed your life one year on
and improve your public speaking?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Yes, certainly has, Jamie. You know, there was a bit
of a pressure cooker at that We're Real support trust
debate a couple of months ago, and you know you
have to do the speeches for the Young farm of
the Air competition, and then you know, you're just talking
to people in general. I think you get a lot
better just communicating with people and building relationships.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
So we've just had the announcement this week that the
Young Farmer of the Air Grand Final returns to the
Taranaki region for season fifty eight. You'll both be in
New Plymouth July second to fourth next year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Y yeah, planning to be there.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
All right, lads, thanks for your time. I think it's
a wonderful story. You're a good panel. You keep us
younger here on the country. God knows we need that.
Keep up the great work as the twenty twenty four
and twenty twenty five FMG Young Farmers of the Year respectively,
go well, enjoy the next month on your farm's very
important farming month.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Thanks Jamie, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That is George Dodson twenty twenty four, Hugh Jackson twenty
twenty five. Future of farmings in good hands. When you
look at the likes of those two, Tim dangel Emmerpool
last four winners, Hey, lots of feedback coming in about
the carbon farming juice you're getting stuck into them. M
(18:26):
Can you please ask him Jamie. I can't because he's
gone Cam, but I can send him an email on
your behalf ask him if there is a requirement for
fire breaks in carbon blocks. And that's from Sarah and
I think Michelle, who's wandered into the studio. I dispatched
her and said, go and look up. Do we need
(18:47):
a fire break if you're a carbon farmer?
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Well, according to Ai, it's his yes, but I think
it's around who actually is the regulatory body for that,
who checks them? So I'm going to go do some
investigation this afternoon around that and find out Monday.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Oh, you lead a fascinating life. That's you can spend
your weekend doing that. Well, I'd imagine if you were
a carbon farmer or a production forestry farmer, would be
in your own best interest to have a fire break.
I'm just assuming you'd have one because your carbon credits,
as Cam said, come in the first what fifteen or
sixteen years, But if the thing burns down before that time,
(19:23):
you've missed out on the carbon credits. And I think
of it burns down, you're probably obligated and someone can
text it and tell me this, you'd have to replant
it if you'd claimed carbon credits. So yeah, what's the
other one? This no fire as a text and no
firebreaks in Northland, and no water storage either for any
(19:45):
pine trees that I've seen planted, because the production forestry
guys do have the firebreaks, they do have the dams,
and they do have firefighting protection as you would want
to for your investment. And here's another one. Do carbon
farmers have an obligation to provide a water source for
fire fighting or do they just flog it from the
neighbor's stockwater dams that's happened before. Jeez, you're getting stuck
(20:08):
into the carbon farmers. I'm feeling sorry for them. Up next,
we'll go from carbon farming to wall As I mentioned
at the top of the show, we've only got twenty
three point three million sheep left in this country. We've
dropped by one percent year on year from last year.
Perhaps a wee bit more worrying. The number of breeding
news continues to decline. We're down nearly two percent. The
(20:32):
lamb crop forecast is well. The lamb cropper's forecast to
be zero point six percent lower this season. That's nearly
one hundred and twenty thousand few head for slaughter on
top of a one point two million dollar one point
two million dollar try that again, on top of a
I've got so many numbers in front of me, I'm
(20:54):
going cross eyed, on top of a one point two
million reduction and lambs available for slaughter last year. Interesting times.
So up next to the wall industry, does it have
a future? Let's talk to someone who's had a great
past in the industry, in fact, nearly fifty years. She
is the Queen of hawks Bay waller. Name is Philip A. Wright.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Jellous if he can flip the cat any every year
to California and this ons over California.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Smy Caroline. I read a really interesting story on the
Herald Online yesterday. I think it may have originated from
our paper in the hawks Bay region hawks Bay Today,
and the title said, well, the story said, a queen
of the hawks Bay wooll industry, Philip A. Wright, has
(21:49):
sold her business in Waypokeo and is retiring after almost
fifty years in the industry. And I thought, Philippa, that's
worth a bit of a yarn in a past life.
Apparently you weren't the queen of wool. You were the
dag Queen.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
Yes, I know, I'm quite pleased with the raising of
the bar there.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
We started a dag crushing industry in White Poko some
years ago and I got that title of the deare Queen,
which went down rather well with the locals.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
So how did you get into the wall industry there on?
Forty eight years ago? We don't want to age you
too much, Philippa.
Speaker 12 (22:30):
I started in the woolsheds in the Mackenzie Country. My
father was a wall buyer and a shed classer, so
after I came back from anass scholarship in America, I
had a bit of time to fill in, so he
put me straight in the.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Sheds and I started started there.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
I spent probably eighteen months working around that area. In
the meantime I had gone up to Messy and done
a wall diploma because I figured out that if I
did this wall course, I could actually earn much more
money classing and preaps carry on traveling for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So in nearly fifty years in the wall industry, Philip, Arright,
you've ridden the highs and no doubt endured the lows
or the troughs. I mean, we're in a trough now,
there's no sugar coating this. And I think back to
the nineteen eighties, I was a young farmer. Wall made
up two thirds of my income my health. How the
worm has.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Turned, it has.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
It's been an up and down journey and it's continuing
to be so. And I can remember, like even my
dad going through some pretty bad years in his time
as well. There were ups and downs then, and so
I don't think it's ever really changed. I mean, we're
still a commodity. We're still selling a commodity. And until
(23:53):
we find ways to develop products with a higher value
so that we can better reward our growers, I think
we're going to struggle for a wee while.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
But I do believe that that is going to happen.
And that's another reason.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
That's one of the reasons why I have chosen to
move aside now, because I think those young people need
to be let in, they need to come in. They
think differently, they behave differently, they understand technology differently, and
their minds will take.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
It to a different level, which I just don't think
that we're we're able to anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Well, I think you're underselling yourself there, Philip. Look what
we need and this is my take on it is
another mainstream use for strong crossbread wall other than carpets.
We haven't found that yet.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
No, no, And we need carpets. We need carpets because
it uses such a bulk, you know, it uses a
lot of wool. And we do produce still, even though
we've only got twenty three million sheep or so, we
still produce a lot of good quality wool that is
excellent for carpets and rugs and blankets and those stronger
type products.
Speaker 11 (25:02):
But we somehow have to develop a way to convince.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
The consumer of the value of putting a carpet in
the home or using insulation in the home, and.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
That it's really tough.
Speaker 12 (25:19):
I mean, if there was an answer, We've been working
on this for years and years and there really hasn't
been anything that different.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Even in the last ten years.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
There's lots of people coming up with new ideas, but
it's basically the same kind of end product.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Just to finish on very quickly. You're stepping aside. You've
sold your wall business, but you are going to remain
a board member for the Campaign for Wool.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Yes, yes, I believe strongly in what the Campaign for
War has done over the last fifteen years, and we
are advocating the wall attributes and we're trying to educate.
We're educating a generation that we've missed several generations in between,
and I think that happened with.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
The demise of the wall board.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
But aside from that, we need to keep the conversation going.
And I think in the last few years a campaign
has done a fantastic job of just re igniting the
interest in wall We hear it in the media, now
we hear it from the towns. People are starting to
understand their value. So we have to keep working on that.
Speaker 11 (26:28):
And there is the slow road, but I believe it's
a really necessary road.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Philip A. Right, the Queen of the Hawks Bay wool Industry,
the artist formerly known as the Dad Queen. I great
to catch up on the country. Good luck in your
semi retirement. Okay, thank you, Jenie, thank you Philip, and
good luck. You are a legend. Right It is twenty
two away from one year with the country. Brought to
you by Brent Mori your feedback forestry has a free ride,
(26:58):
says dr when it comes to re Galatians by law,
I need more consents and plans to plant a paddock
of swedes than huge whole farm forest do. I don't
know whether that's true or not. But things are that odd,
doesn't it up? Next to Michelle with Rural News, We'll
have a look at sports news. Gee, We're worried, as
(27:18):
I said on yesterday's ship show, Michelle, about the farmland,
the good farmland going to forestry. What about the good netballers?
Another one's gone today. Plus the All Blacks have named
their test site.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
A glass of River. It'll be at dark.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Gee, Michelle, I was thinking, you've Chuck and Alan Jackson
and Chattahoochee. But this is This is Good Times and
Tan Lines by Zach Topps.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
Not I think it is at number twenty on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, it's number twelve. I know that because you've
given me a list. They're all the catchy this country stuff,
good tim ta good good love, going country on the
country On a Friday, Here's Rural News.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The Country's world news with Cod Cadet, New Zealand's leading
right on Lawnbower Brand, visit steel Ford dot cots for
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Speaker 10 (28:29):
And Auckland's event Fighters Stadium was buzzing last night as
New Zealand's top butchers battled it out in the National
Butchery Awards. Anton Rameka from New World Munga Fi claimed
the Packed Packaging Young Butcher of the Year title well
Alex Pello from New World Matt Monganui took home the
ans Kofoods Butcher Apprentice Award. The event also featured a
trans tasment twist with Australia's Black Gloves Team trying for
(28:51):
top honors and the Pure South Master Butcher's Team's Challenge
alongside tr Mutu stick Men. Win Is now prepare for
the twenty twenty eight World Butcher's chal showcasing showcasing key
Kee Wee craftmanship on the global stage. I didn't think
it much about when I wrote that I was going
to get through that sentence.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Well, ckily for you, you didn't get through the sentence.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Gee.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
There's some terrible news reading and sports reading on this show. Geez,
We're going to have to do something about that. Wonder
if I can get through the sports news without a stumble,
let me try sport.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
We're an av go Kiwi to the bone since nineteen.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Oh four, so all blacks coach Scott Robertson is adamant
an extended break after the July series against France will
benefit them on Sunday morning against Argentina and Cordoba. Both
sides have had a longer spell off than usual prior
to the Rugby Championship owing to the Wallabies Lions series.
Scott Barrett's back as captain after missing the last two
(29:52):
Tests against France with a calf injury, and Robertson says
they're ready. The coach says they've recharged and it's like
an extra pre season. And as I said a wee
bit earlier, and I teased a wee bit earlier, the
exodus of Silver Ferns to Australia's Super Netball continues. Mainland
Tactics shooter Tapaya Selby Rickett is leaving the a n
(30:14):
Z Premiership side to join the Queensland Firebirds. Who isn't
Selby Rickett joins Ferns, Kelly Jackson and Maddie Gordon at
the franchise. And there is an er free read Michelle,
you better do better on Monday the sports shoes. I
don't think I'll do an era free one on a Monday,
but that wasn't bad by my standards. Up next, Barry Soaper,
(30:37):
My goodness, Chippy getting a mauling from Hosk Chloe publicity stunt,
COVID inquiry, you name it. It's all happened this week.
And Chris Brandolino from Earth Science is in z.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Where are you from and what's your feverite change?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
She says, Shad I coming down on me.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Now she's singing, girls just want to have fun.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
This is number three on the iHeart Country charts. Russell
Dickerson happened to me. Harrysopa joins us out of Auckland.
Do you like country music, Barrier, especially this new American stuff?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I do quite like it, Jamie. I like country music,
of course, being from Gore.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Yeah, exactly. You'd be more Charlie Pride and Glenn Campbell, didn't.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You, oh of course? And John Ware and you know
Dusty Spittle.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Dusty geez. Okay, hey listen. When I was walking down
to work this morning, a bloke came across the road
and said good and shook my hand, and I half
blind in my old age, I said, oh, okoday, Karen
And it was Karen MacNulty and Kieren and I go
back quite a long way. He used to be on
this show regularly as the tab bookie and when we
used to do a sports yeah. Yeah, so, And I've
(31:53):
always liked him. Don't agree with his politics all the time,
but he's a likable sort of blow. Is he a
potential labor leader as Chippy cut the mustard?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Well, you know, the word has been mentioned that if
Tippy goes it, maybe Karen McNulty. I don't think so.
I don't think he's leadership material, but that's personal.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Due So who would it be. Would it be someone
like Barbara Edmonds?
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
More likely, But you know, I think Tippy will be
will and truly in there until the next election. At
least have given the opinion polls, because he, in fact,
as far as the public goes it would seem has
done quite well. Although just failing to front the COVID
Royal Commission is to me nothing short of a disgrace
(32:38):
and it should impact on both certainly Chris Hipkins and
Aisha Peril, the other two sitting politicians, and of course
you've got Grant Robertson living in your city of Dunedin
as the vice chancellor of Attiger University and Dame just
and Dern swarming around internationally telling us all a wonderful.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yes, she's run the hells did you hear Keith filling
in on Hosking this morning talking about what Jacinda gets
paid for a speech compared to him, I know who
i'd seen or listen to.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Well, I know who I'd seen and listened to as well.
I didn't hear him say that we must go back
and have a listen.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Well, he didn't throw some numbers out there, but he
said she gets paid a whole lot more because she's
a more chat GBT said she's a more empathetic leader.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Well, that's what you would all have us believe. And
what I'd like to have heard was for her to
front up to the Royal Commission like she did daily
on the pulpit of truth and just tell us why
certain decisions were made and how that was showing much
(33:44):
empathy for people that wanted to be with dying loved ones.
But we're prevented from doing so, fathers prevented from being
at the birth of their children. I mean, the list
goes on and on and on.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Hardly Okay, Berry, just perhaps finally is Chloe now the
most insufferable politician in the house.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Well you know here she was. She stood and made
what was a reasonable speech. I mean, earlier in the
week she had draped her seat with a flowell. The
same day, actually earlier in the day, she had draped
her seat with a Palestinian flag, but wrapped around her
shoulders when she was told off by the speaker. And
she made her quite a good, impatient speech right until
(34:29):
the end when she ruined it and made herself the
centerpiece of the story. She could have simply stood withdrawn
and apologized for saying that the opposite or the government
was spineless. It would have been all done and dusted.
But no, she had to crandstand and become the center
(34:49):
of the story. The suffering in Gaza should be the
center of the story, and certainly not Chloe Swarbrick.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
No, well we're suffering, Chloe, and I agree with you.
It is a bit of a well it's a human
rights atrocity, mind you. The Big Din he might he
can get peace in Ukraine, Russia, Surely he can cut
a deal in Gaza.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, I wouldn't put money on it to either.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Actually, Jamie, okay, Bez, thanks to your time, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Barry Sober their a political correspond to got to take
a break on the other side of it. If I
can track him down from Earth Sciences z I wish
they'd stuck with me, were Chris Brandolinos.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
It is.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I can't make up my mind. Five or six away
from one, five and a half away from one? How
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(35:58):
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it an Eddie. Chris Brendolino from Earth Sciences, New Zealand.
I still have trouble getting the tongue around that formerly
of Nila, Chris. We're enjoying a glorious die at the
(36:19):
bottom of the South Island today in Dunedan. How long
will it last?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Good day out of I think for the short answer, Look,
there will be some rain that comes in for much
of the country. Looks like tomorrow. This will chiefly be
I guess tomorrow, late Tomorrow and to early Sunday, so
for the upper North Island, much of the North Island.
In fact, we'll see rain at least a period of
rain this weekend from the Bay of Plenty, Trafati, Gisban, Northland,
Auckland and the Waikato, and some of that rain does
(36:46):
get into Hawks Bay, and also a bit of rain
probably toward Southland, Fjordland and toward your neck of the woods, Jimmy.
That looks to be probably Sunday evening into Monday morning,
a good drop of rain which will move into the
eastern South Island, so the eastern South Island, Canterbury, Marlborough,
you'll see some rain, looks like Monday, later Monday to Tuesday,
and that'll be with another I guess, puff of chili air,
(37:10):
huge high pressure coming in next week. Now it will
turn colder for a few days next week. We're gonna
see temperatures warm up with that rain, so not as
chili but a return to chili temperatures. It looks like
probably middle part of next week and beyond for at
least a few days, maybe not quite as cold, and
then the last week of August into early September, we
(37:32):
are going to see some visitors from the north. It
looks like was into a very active period to end
the month of August and winter meteorological winter for that matter,
and open up the books on spring. I should have
mentioned real quick. Noah in the United States has issued
a La Ninia watch, So we'll be watching for the
potential of La Nina to emerge in the tropical Pacific,
(37:53):
which we'll have flowing effects here. More than that, as
Tommy evolves to hear the.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Music, time to go, so it might you have a
good weekend. Chris sprain Ano from NIWA wrapping the country.
Just a bit of a text and listen to this
six dollars thirty five six dollars thirty five pikilo kilogram
for angus yieldings at the Tikoite spring sale today. Now
I remind you that's on the hoof, not on the hook.
That is huge money, black gold the Angus beef cattle.
(38:20):
Catch your back on Monday. Go the stags tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
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