October 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Richard Loe, Jen Corkran, George Dodson, Hugh Jackson, and Jamie Mackay.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brent, you're specialist in
John Deere construction equipment.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Everybody, Oh, welcome into the country on your Friday. I'm
Hamers McKay in for Jamie McKay, but don't just bear.
We'll catch up with the big guy from Western Australia,
Perth ahead of the All Blacks against the Wallabies. He's
got the mackay on Sports slot today which comes with
travel on. Must look at that in the future. Quick
(00:44):
shout out please to the Rural Day in fielding the
business race. My colleagues from Tremaine's are entered. Gee, I'm
glad I'm an Auckland not the manal with two today
because I'd only be a hindrance. Coming up on the Country.
Richard Loowe, lover of all things French, All Black a
great Is it rotation or are you dropped? That's the question?
(01:04):
How the media handling these selection changes? From the razor himself,
Jen Corkoran, Senior analyst Rubberbank on their upcoming dairy beef reports.
This will be interesting. Opportunity knocks farmers, rural folk, our
farmer Paddel today out of Catterary, George Dodson and of
(01:27):
course Tiakau, Hugh Jackson, farm succession planning and the upcoming
Young Farmer of the Year. That's all about to get
under one. And as I mentioned, Jamie McKay is mackay on.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Scot He comes on, I'm only one, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Actually, I could just see you Richard Lowe on a
guitar with a big hat, Yellowstone rip wheeler like singing
a bit of country music. I mean, that's that'd be
your go, wouldn't it Lowey.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Good afternoon, Homer. Yeah, probably a wee bit. But I
don't think I could handle Beth though.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, I don't think not even you could handle Beth.
Although I suspect you probably need somebody like Beth, and
I suspect that the Beth in your world probably does
have to control you like Beth. Right, I won't go
any further on that. When you're not named at a
team from one week to the next, LOWI you dropped, right,
Why do we have to have?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, once upon a time I think you were. But
I think it was John Hart that started to introduce
that rotation. And then I can remember right back to
went there. I thought him and grizz had the side over.
In the ninety one World Cup, played the first game
(02:47):
against England, and then I sat on the sideline for
the second game and Pervy took over. And that was
the thing. I think that era was the start of rotation.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Rotation because you were dropped. I mean, Pervy with all
jurisis you were, you were, you were the.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
King of If you're not playing, if you're not playing,
you take Yeah, it's a it's yeah. Some of the
it's very very different these days. The way you get
a niggle, you don't play. Yeah, gone are the days
you're carried on Friday minutes, week in, week out. Now,
(03:24):
after four or five tests, you're a wee bit banged up,
so you need to rest well. You'll be able to
tell me where's the next test after this weekend, So
you've got a bit of downtime to recover, having you
missed the proctor for.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Example, exactly that whole banged up thing. All that's done
for me is opened the door for Quintu Pie to
play a good game at center, and Billy Procter doesn't
get another chance. It is Billy Proctor hasn't as delivered
quite as they had wanted, and I feel like banged
up as an excuse and they would like what to
Pire did late in the game the other week. So
are they going to give him a shot? Same with
Satiti second season Blues. The bloke's not firing on all
(04:00):
cylinders like he showed, So we're going to go with
Lackeye at number eight. We just need to say it how.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It isn't I don't think so, TD. You're being very
generous to him. He got a real dose of the
second season Blues and I know he's had a couple
of injuries, but hey, the all Black jerseys meant to
be about those that are performing and performing week in
week out, and that's probably why Adie severe. It doesn't
matter what number jersey he's got, on what position he's playing,
(04:28):
He's there because he performs week in week out. Like
we saw during Super Rugby form Moanna pacifica.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yep, okay quickly the Wallabies Lowy well Skelton and Rob
Valentini the big bodies and against and last week that's
possibly what they missed. They'll be. They will be a
much tougher position, even though they got within a few
points of us in at Eden Park, a much tougher
proposition in Perth.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
As we know, these games between the Wallabies and the
All Blacks, they're always close in a lot of ways.
And I don't I expect I said before last week's Test,
I thought it was their opportunity. If they had have
got up over the All Blacks, then it would have
been all on on Perth because the cup would have
been on the line, and I'm one that believes it
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should be on the line every week and that would
really spice things up. But I don't think they'll, you know,
they'll make that much more difference. I think the All
Blacks are still probably more mobile and with the changes
that have been made to the pack, they're definitely more
mobile than the Wallabies. And I don't think Wallabies have
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got one or two in their team that are quite soft,
and I think that's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Al Right, I will see you and i'll analyze this
on Monday. I'm going to call you back because I've
got a slightly different view on it, so we might
talk Monday, if that's all right, Low say listen to
the show because you've got three wonderful kids and farm
succession will be a big issue for you at some stage.
I know it's an issue for every family. I shouldn't laugh,
should I? And the dairy beef opportunity too, you, that's
something you and I should talk about, Lisa, big slab
(06:05):
of land and do something with that. That's all coming
up here on the country. It is thirty minutes after midday,
twelve thirteen. I'm only one and I'm seventeen again.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I gotta get back because it's been.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
To that's my favorite country.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Here we are on the country on your Friday, heading
into the weekend. Two reports on dairy beef being released
to clients next week from the team at Rabobank, one
focused on New Zealand and one with the Global Lends,
co authored by Gen Corkan and Emma Higgins and Jin
(06:49):
joins us now afternoon, Gin him, I'm great, thank you,
thank you for joining us. What do we mean by
a dairy beef in the New Zealand Cox?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, thanks samiush. So we have got two reports coming
out and they're both focusing on dairy beef. So it's
a great point to define what this actually means, right
because ultimately almost all dery kettle end up in the
beef the pie chain once they've done this service to
the New Zealand industry. Right, So, dairy beef in this context,
and what we're talking about here is basically dairy calves
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born to deiry colves on dairy farms. But these are
the calves that are then reared for beef production. So
typically they are suitplus calves that aren't required as here
for replacements, so they might some of them might be
side by dairy balls, some of them might be sided
by beef balls. And we've got about four million carves
born annually to deiry calves. Around a third of those,
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or about twenty eight percent of those are kept as
here for replacements, so technically there's a seventy percent kind
of surplus of calves. And what this report is focusing
on in the New Zealand context is what is the
opportunity to make use of more of these calves and
our beef production systems. And we all know, you know,
what beef prices have been looking like recently, so there
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is an opportunity here to perhaps do a little bit
more with some of these calves that currently aren't being
red for beef production.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So we had a great chat yesterday with our Australia
correspond to, Chris Russell, and you know, the Aussie beef
outlook is just pumping and it's got longevity about it.
So why does this New Zealand report you describe this
as a strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand. Yeah,
it's a real green light opportunity, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It really is. And I think the challenge with beef
production systems right is that they are a longer game
in terms of that space between a calf being born
and minute being ready to enter in terms of like
meat production, the beef supply chain. So there's a real
opportunity here because you know, we've got a bit of
legs in the global beef outlook for the next few years.
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Strong pricing just based on kind of a global shortage
of red meat. So this year alone, you know, we
are sitting in a fallout of two years ago. We
are not mini dairy beef calves. We're weird. So normally
we are already wearing about a quarter of the calves
born too, deary calves and producing their menstery. So that's
just about over a million hit, just over a million
hit of those four million calves. Great, we could do
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more and you see boom and bust kind of cycles
with calf. We're in this year one hundred and forty
five thousand odd extra calves compared to last year being reared.
About two years ago it was the opposite, so we
had not all those calves extra cars being read and
we're seeing the fallout of that now, right, So global
beef supplies down, especially in the United States in some
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of the Northern Hemisphere countries, and those countries like Australia
that are pumping out beef at the moment are really
being able to capitalize on those high prices, right. And
we've got a lot of supply in New Zealand, so
that's sort of adding a little bit of upside to
our prices as well. But actually that everygisball value is
high and that's not related to our supply here in
New Zealand. So it's a great opportunity to to you know,
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perhaps a few of these extra carves. We're not saying
it's going to be easy or that we can rear
hunt seen of the calves, because that's you know, unlikely however,
you know, and the report talks about this, but if
we rare, if we have a kind of meaty goal
of extra say six hundred thousand calves at today's current
market prices, that's you know, that's unlocking about another one
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point two billion conservatively, you know, a net red medics
book check. So it's an interesting proposition.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think, yeah, absolutely, Okay, So what are the challenges
you talk about? It won't be easy and there's a
bit of time involved, but what are the key challenges
preventing the wider adoption of this given the good outlook?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, that's right. And this isn't a new topic, right,
So dairy beef has been a topic that we've discussed
over many many years, we being New Zealand, and broadly
there's three but challenges hemsh So I can touch on
all of these. But firstly are pastoral farming systems. Secondly
cart rearing it's a challenge, and then also kind of
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this collaborative approach that we might need between the sectors
for dairy and beef and perhaps industry as well. So
number one, our farming systems in New Zealand, we're really
set up here around pasture growth and the pasture growth
curve which is seasonal, and in a dairy sense, this
makes a lot of sense, right because we want peak
pasta supply lining up with peak milk supply and the
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demand that it cows deer cows have at that time.
So we all understand, you know that that's the way
our systems are set up. But this makes it really
challenging in a carving sense and different to many oversease
countries that might be carving just all for a year,
equal amounts of cars each month, and that makes it
a little easier for wearing, for labor for basically for
a farm system. So under seasonal carving and New Zealanders
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is mostly in spring. There's also pockets of wortun carving now,
which is great, but this creates a short and intense
window where calves are born over six to eight weeks,
a lot of calves, a lot of calves, and how
do we wear all of those calves. We're already going
to red head replacements. The other nuance we've got these
young dairy hiffer cows coming through. They need a low
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birth weight fire that means, you know, easy carving out
in the pastures shortly station link. There's been something that's
been a real focus to really make sure that carving
period is compact and growth rates. You know, all these
calves born to these heifers, all these cows hasn't always
been the goal because A we just need heat replacements
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and b we need to get the calves safely out
of the cow so that they can start producing milk.
The other big elephant in the room if we think
about pastoral systems in New Zealanders, if we want to
rear all the calves, where are we going to put them?
So that's obviously something that we addressing the report and
extra say just two million calves would have to go somewhere,
So of course we don't want that to be at
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the expense of our beef breeding herd or are used.
So this is where it gets really challenging in New Zealand.
So the second big one is calf wearing and we
focus on this quite a lot in the report, in
the New Zealand Report because it's is a nuance. It's
got so many cars being bought once. Labor is always
a challenge in our primary sector around you know, people
to actually wear these carves and we've seen the boom
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bus cycle over the different years with calves being read
in numbers. Infrastructure around carve wearing is also an interesting one,
isn't it, Because we have these sheds that are used
for this really intense and short period of time, and
it makes it difficult to have that capital infrastructure sitting
there empty maybe for other parts of the year. So
we can talk about split carving and other ways that
we can get around this, but it's not necessarily easy.
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But overall, and I think the third one is really
just some great coordination and feedback loops across their value
supply chain for dairy beef in New Zealand could really
mean that we have a more consistent pathway for dairy
beef and we could really be sort of jumping into
those tailwinds of the high prices like we are seeing
now out there.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, good stuff and the opportunities there. There are some challenges,
but wrapping up Gin, the outlook looking pretty good. Five
to ten years down on the track, there's some positive
thinking and there's real real green shoots here.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, certainly some green shirts and opportunities are always faced
with challenge, right, But this report's really just opening up
the conversation around what are our challenges, why are we
doing And there's a global report as well that sort
of sits in line with us one to compare some
of the other global systems and how they're doing dairy beef.
But how also we are quite different here, so we
need to have a lot of grace with ourselves. But yeah,
(14:30):
great opportunity. The beef pricing is going to be strong
over the next two to three years in New Zealand,
we think, and certainly beef is a versatile protein. People
know what to do with its popular, healthy, real food.
So yeah, we'll have a stake for diners.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Not of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Amazing what that oldle bit of water and a bit
of grass and a bit of sunshine can do? I here, fantastic, Jen,
thank you very much, much appreciated.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Thanks nice to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Much my favorite countries.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, now the root meat story that's getting fantastic. Are
you got a steak story there, Michelle? What you've got
a quick steak story here?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
I do indeed. Alliance Group, Now you might have heard
this at the top of the hour. They kind of
punched my news, but Alliance Group's pure south hand packed
fifty five day age steak beef angus age beef has
been recognized on the world stage, securring top honors at
the World State Challenge in the Netherlands, which is pretty
exciting stuff in New Zealand. New Zealand Meat, I think,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Absolutely absolutely it's all good news. We'll keep it coming.
It is twelve twenty six here on the country.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Then you probably don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah, well come on.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The farmer panel with the Isuzu Dmax, the Kiwi ute
built off with truck DNA.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
This is the country on your Friday. As we hear
into a bledders low cupboy, all the bladers that caps
down and dusted, isn't it? The all blacks get to
keep it. But I think it's going to be an
incredibly interesting occasion over there in Perth. And we'll be
catching up with mckaye on Sport hosted by Jamie McKay
other end of the microphone this weekend as we go
to Perth. Now. Farm succession planning hugely important topic because
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much changes in the next a decade, intergenerational transfer of
wealth will occur hugely. More than half of all farmers
and growers is about close to eighteen thousand will reach
the age of sixty five. So this is a massively
important topic and we need to get the younger Brigade,
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the young Guns a view of this. And our Farmer
panel today, well you don't get any better than the
twenty twenty four Young Farmer of the Year and then
the twenty twenty five Young Farmer of the Year to
discuss this topic. First of all, we'll go to the
sort of the Tiakaw Counties region, Hugh Jackson, who Michelle
called Hugh Jackman yesterday to me, so I thought you
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that's that's going to be intimidating. But how are you
on the farm? Theyre all good up by the water
tank on the hill, are you?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And good? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Hammership just popped up here to make sure I'm in
a decent enough reception to give you a hopefully you
can hear me all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I got you alloud and clear. And George Johnson down
from the Darfield region or how's the day down there?
Speaker 8 (17:22):
What's awe but gloomy Hamersham. Great to be on the show,
but we're out on farm and enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, good stuff, rightio, gents will come to you Hugh,
how important is succession planning when you're sitting around, you know,
having a cup of tea or an al after work?
Is Is it very important to your family and your business?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Necessarily a very fortunate position to be involved as a
family farm back at home and see our famly been
home a couple of years and we've had some good
discussions around the succession planning. Feel it's very important. Or
when I first sort of got home, I sort of thought, oh, yeah,
we'll be able to discuss things and work out as
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a plan, but by biasales. But it sort of became
fairly clear early on that some outside help and someone
to guide the conversation and ask those tough questions is
really important. So actually got involved with real coach and
Brett Robinson, who was bloody awesome and I can't recommend
him enough and going through the process and getting someone
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else involved in a plan and help you guys achieve
it along the way, George.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Is that your view on things? And it's important to
get a third party involved here because it's such a well,
it's a topic with so many layers to it.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Yeah, it's a very relevant and important topic. I suppose
I could almost speak from the other end of the
scale and the fact that my family doesn't own a
farm or anything. We've actually well we do now, but
we haven't until recently. So it's something that we're thinking
about in the future and how we're going to navigate it.
But it's not something that I've really come across too much,
but you're definitely something that we've had to start thinking
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about as we purchased a farm pretty recently.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Hugh, what are some of the what are some
of the biggest challenges do you think around farm succession,
because it's not just it's more than just assets. I guess,
it's it's skill, it's knowledge, it's a lot of I
guess almost unseen factors as well.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges probably determining
what's fair thissus, what's equitable or even I'm not always
the same thing, and what the goals, the family goals are.
If you're there and you want to see the farm
go another generation and people are on board with that, yeah,
you've got to try and make some sacrifices at some
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stage somewhere at times, But the biggest thing I think
is just getting onto it early. As you can, not
pushing the boat or the can down the road, because
that's sort of when things get tougher and stickier. And
if you can have a chat early and get everyone
on the same page or on a similar page versus
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people assuming things and assuming other things, then yeah, it's
not a good place to be. So getting into it early,
talking openly about it and making a start is definitely
the key to it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I think, Yeah, making a start, George, there's no doubt,
as you say, it's something that's probably new on the
table for you as new farm owners, as a family business.
But there are some horror stories out there, aren't there,
because because this is a topic that's just been approached
too far, too late in the process.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think it's got to be spoken about
from day dot. You know, when the child, I suppose
comes home to the family farm. It needs to be
a discussion that's you know, starting to be opened up
right away so that all parties are aware, and like
you say, is ultimately some party is going to probably
have to make a small sacrifice given the price of
land and it's sort of things and the returns of
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farming at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, there's so much to talk about this,
but it's good to hear from you guys as both
Young Farmers of the Year Hugh Jackson and George Doddson
a panel to day and of course Young Farmers Comps
coming up. Gentlemen, you know you'll be sort of watching
on it with an eagle eye starting what just in
a what a week or two as well, So yeah,
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the next crop coming through you.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, it's exciting, definitely starting again eighteenth of this month,
we're going to have a first round of districts. I
believe East Coast, South and Otago and Tasman Or having
their district on that weekend and then the next one
after that's well I've got both. Yeah, why can about
plenty of having our district there at Clawdland's in Hamilton
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and involved with the organization of that this year. So
I'm looking forward to seeing how people enjoy themselves, have
some fun and get into some practical modules. It's opportunity
to test yourself and just learn some new skills. I've
always learned something new every competition of competed in any level, district,
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Regional Grand Final, so can't recommend it enough to give
yourself do yourself a favor and put an entry in.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, and George, I mean they can only be one winner,
as you know, but there must be learnings and a
great experience for everybody that gets involved.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh absolutely, especially at the district's level where you're with
all your mates and stuff. Before you sort of get
pulled into the top eight for regionals. You go along
and have a bit of fun. Most of us probably
don't throw too much into preparing for it, but we
get stuck in. Then there's heaps of people that put
their hand up to help out as well, so it's
around all around a great day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, fantastic, gentlemen. That's how Farmer Panel Hugh Jackson out
of Tiaco County's Region twenty twenty five Young Farmer of
the Year twenty twenty four Young Farm of the Year
George Johnson out of a gloomy duf field. It is
today on your Friday, and that's topically the all important
succession planning. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Coming up to
twelve fourteen, well there we go, thanks gentlemen. Yeah, thank you.
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And I think I've got an apology coming hues by Michelle.
I think I think I've got my sort of my
boundary lines wires crossed. Tiaka is probably whitehadow, isn't it,
rather than counties. I just sort of took a bit
of a stab in the dark.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
There.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
You're sadly asking the wrong girl. I think I told
you that I don't My North Island geography is not great.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well you got a bit upset about Well, there's one
or two. Get a bit upset when I say Southern
Hawks by northern wider it's terra terror.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, or you might start a fight on the text
machine with that one.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do't start a fight on the text machine.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That old farm succession thing, now, gee, there's some horror
stories out there. People who've worked for years on a
family farm for bigger rule probably saved it. And then
twenty years later the siblings come along and it's sold
for eight or ten times more than they all want
the same chunk. Gee, I'll tell you what interesting times,
interesting times, Funny things happen. Eh, funny things happen. Ignorance
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can rule the day. So get the farm succession as sorted.
Shall we take We're going to take a break and
then we go to the big fellow Jamie.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Yeah, see if we can find Jamie Alex.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Where in the world is Jamie McKay next wave saying
nominally should marry twagged Bill Bob Roads to forty four
on your Friday on the Country Country Music Friday. There's
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no doubt a whole lot of good roosters in Perth,
but apparently there's one outside Jamie's window at four am
in the morning. Let's see what sort of mood that's
left them in Jamie McKay.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
How are you fella GOODA homus McKay, thanks for filling
the void and you're doing a great job. I've just
been listening to the show while I've been waiting to
chat to you a year. Look at Perth obviously five
hours behind New Zealand. So it plays a weebit with
your sleep patterns.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You wake up at.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Three or four in the morning anyhow, because that's sort
of your body clocks telling you to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But my sleep.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Patterns haven't been helped by a friggin rooster that I
wanted to attack him yesterday with the golf clubs. He's
right outside in the window, and I thought rooster's only
crowed like at the crack of dawn bu This bugger
is going all night crowing, driving me nuts, driving me nuts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh look, I just hope the All Blacks win because
on Sunday morning, that poor rooster will have a death
sentence to the All Black start when you'll get him.
You'll get him with the big Bertha.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
He's my golf clubs are sitting just outside, not a
mile away from the rooster. And I'll tell you what.
He's in a precarious situation here. Look, I heard you
commental web it the Aussies. What do you say, one
to twelve paying what?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, one to twelve they're paying three dollars seventy. I
thought that was really good.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good money. All right, Because obviously
the All Blacks have had had to make a few changes,
some because of injury, some I guess because of form.
I haven't seen the Aussie team. I'm assuming that scout
and that other big bloke a back yep. So they're
going to be pretty strong. And I always thought, you know,
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after the hiding in Wellington from the spring box Hamish,
that the All Blacks would bounce back at Eden Park.
It is they're fortress. They always historically they've always come
back from bad performances with a good one. And they
weren't too bad were they at Eden Park? Mind you,
the Aussies weren't that bad either, But I reckon it's
it's absolutely a game on over here in front of
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sixty thousand fans.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
There's heaps of kiwis here.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Ross, I mean Hamish. I'm staying with my old friend
Ross Stuart. We went to primary school and Lincoln together.
He's lived over here for about thirty years. So there's
a crew of us from Riversdale over here, and then
there's another Butts who go duck shooting with us in
Riversdale from christ Church who are over here. So the
two my miys are meeting up tomorrow before the footy.
(27:01):
So there's going to be a lots of kiwis and
lots of all black gear running around the middle of
Perth tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, it does feel like that. Quite a bit of excitement,
just you know. I mean, we like going to Sydney
or Brisbane. At Perth just a little bit more of
a hop step and a jump, isn't it. I mean, gee,
it's a long way from New Zealand at the end
of the day, but that's great to hear. Have you
have you bumped into the mercurial Joe Smith at any stage?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, No, Look, honestly, we've I got here on Tuesday
afternoon evening and we've we've had two full days of golfing.
We're going to some wonderful courses. They have so many
great golf courses over here. We're just about to head
north of Perth to a resort course called Joonda Lup
or something like that, and so I haven't even had
(27:47):
I haven't even been into Perth. But that's tomorrow's mission.
It's a non golfing day, homersh. I'm really keen to
get in and have a look at the city itself.
They tell me it's wonderful. The new stadium, the opter
stadiums are meant to be wonderful. I'd only spent six
hours on the ground in Perth a dozen years ago
on the way to a South Africa farming and forty tour,
so I'd never left the airport, so it's all new
(28:09):
to me. And this is a huge city. I think
there might be two or three million people here Hamish,
but it's so spread out you can see it from
the air. When we flew in. It's the size of
London and yet it probably has twenty percent of that
of the population, but rarely looking forward to exploring it.
(28:29):
We've seen some really interesting country. We took a bit
of a cross country tour yesterday on our way back
from the golf club south of Perth that we played
yesterday with some interesting country here. You wouldn't call it
prime what we would Southland or Manor or two grazing,
but you know, they've had their wettest winter on record.
They're just heading into their springs. Everything's very, very green,
(28:53):
but I'm told that to come high this summer it'll
be looking pretty much like a.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Desert, righty o, Jamie Hay. One last thing? Did you
make Ross Stewart? Does he come back to south and
product shooting back? Is there a spot in the mymi
for him or how does that work?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yeah, that's what he does.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
He comes right, He comes back every year.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, fantastic shoting.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
So look, it's wonderful. You know, it makes your met
us five year old. You know, we went to high
school to Lincoln together. He's a he's a bit of
a rough diamond. He's a classic and you know, but
he's got a beautiful property on the outskirts of Perth.
So we're very very lucky apart from the Bloody Rooster.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Apart from the Bloody Rooster. Because I'm going to get
you on board, I'm going to need your help with this.
I want to I've got till May to get an
invitation back into a man of or two, Mymi, and
you know right now, I mean it's probably the wrong
time the season to be pitching for this, but you know,
I just want people in the man or two to
you know, I'm home, I'm ready. Where's the invitation? You know,
I need to know in Auckland too long and yeah,
(29:56):
so I just thought you might be to help me
out with that one, Jamie. Come next month you put the.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Pitch out now, I'm sure some of your old mates
because there's like it's it's male social I shouldn't say
male social bonding male and female. I'll offend someone with that,
but it's absolutely it's bonding at its very very best.
I'm a retired shooter now, I'm only a social convener,
but I have a duck pond. I have a wet
London's in a K two National Trust. It is my
(30:21):
pride and joy Hamish and I.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Hope that one day, because we're such good mates, that
I get to visit that place, because that sounds bloody magnificent.
Jamie McKay, thank you, follow you go and enjoy the rugby.
Hopefully the rooster shuts up. There we go. There's Jamie
over there in Perth. Great to chat to him. We'll
take a break, come back grabbing all up Friday on
the country.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Come on in, sugar and.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I've been gone.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Long, I've been winning on a druma to kick up.
I've been when knowing get dog.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Twelve fifty three, seven minutes away from one. Thank you
for your company today on the country. Great to chat
to Jamie out of Perth there, mishell? What he sounds
very excited? Did he sound relaxed? The big guy he
was just I felt like he was in his elements,
surrounded by you know, by golf courses, old mates from
the mymi just I'd love to see somebody that's, you know,
(31:35):
taking some time out and going somewhere seriously cool.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
It sounds like the ultimate guys trip, doesn't it. And
I think it'd be very relaxing. Although it's the time
difference I think is about five hours, he was telling me,
So he's been waking up at four am, which, you know,
luck he's over there for a little while, because I
think if you're only over there for a couple of days,
that kind of carry on would would get to you
after a while.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I totally, I totally get that.
So some great topicy this cah enjoyed the boys from
the land. We were talking with Hugh Jackson and George Dodson,
the most recent Young Farmers of the Year. Young Farmer
of the Year. It always rings in my ear that
and they were talking succession planning, some interesting stuff in there,
(32:16):
because it does cause the occasional moment of grief or two,
doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, you heard it from some horror stories,
no doubt.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah, there's been a lot of horror stories. And I
think you know, we were talking about how the average
age of farmers now is, you know, late fifties. I
think for sheep, sheep and beef is what I see
your dairies a little bit younger. So it's you know,
they're getting on. You need people to sort of take
over that land. It's not like the old days. Where
your son or daughter came and just took over the farm.
(32:45):
I hosted the Century Farm Awards actually earlier in the
year and some amazing succession stories there from those farmers
where they've passed it down through generations, which is incredible.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean that what's happening farmer
age wise and the next sort of five to ten
years is quite remarkable. I like the idea of this
dairy beef too, and these two reports that are coming
out from Gen Corkran and the team the senior analyst
at Rabobank. The Dairy Beef reports talk about opportunity knocks
(33:15):
there and because there's a good feeling of longevity for
the red meat industry.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Absolutely it's positivity, right, I mean, isn't it great to
see something positive in sectors and around the primary industry
and people feeling positive about things?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think Hamish, Yeah, I can't see how there wouldn't
be a massive amount of positivity. And in the next
survey of positivity. And while I'm talking at positivity, can
you just flick me an email about something else that
I need to comment on, you know, just let's see
how multi skilled you are. Because Mackay's butterfingers are not
working at the moment on my particular screen in front
(33:54):
of it. I know I've got to cover off something
for us before we wrap up the show on a Friday. Well,
wherever you are, whatever you might be doing, I just
can't get over those all black numbers. Hey, how about
how about this for the test tomorrow? The Wallabies, the
All Blacks at one to twelve are paying two dollars
seventy at the tab. That seems like a horrendous amount,
(34:17):
a very strong amount. And the Wallabies they are paying
three dollars seventy themselves at one to twelve, and I
think that they're going to be a whole lot better
than what they were in at Eden Park last week.
Right before before we go, We've got, well, we've got.
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(35:44):
We'll do it all again next week out of Auckland
and Palmerston North and Michelle Watt and Donadan producer guru.
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Everybody, Oh, welcome into the country on your Friday. I'm
Hamers McKay in for Jamie McKay, but don't just bear.
We'll catch up with the big guy from Western Australia,
Perth ahead of the All Blacks against the Wallabies. He's
got the mackay on Sports slot today which comes with
travel on. Must look at that in the future. Quick
(00:44):
shout out please to the Rural Day in fielding the
business race. My colleagues from Tremaine's are entered. Gee, I'm
glad I'm an Auckland not the manal with two today
because I'd only be a hindrance. Coming up on the Country.
Richard Loowe, lover of all things French, All Black a
great Is it rotation or are you dropped? That's the question?
(01:04):
How the media handling these selection changes? From the razor himself,
Jen Corkoran, Senior analyst Rubberbank on their upcoming dairy beef reports.
This will be interesting. Opportunity knocks farmers, rural folk, our
farmer Paddel today out of Catterary, George Dodson and of
(01:27):
course Tiakau, Hugh Jackson, farm succession planning and the upcoming
Young Farmer of the Year. That's all about to get
under one. And as I mentioned, Jamie McKay is mackay on.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Scot He comes on, I'm only one, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Actually, I could just see you Richard Lowe on a
guitar with a big hat, Yellowstone rip wheeler like singing
a bit of country music. I mean, that's that'd be
your go, wouldn't it Lowey.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Good afternoon, Homer. Yeah, probably a wee bit. But I
don't think I could handle Beth though.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, I don't think not even you could handle Beth.
Although I suspect you probably need somebody like Beth, and
I suspect that the Beth in your world probably does
have to control you like Beth. Right, I won't go
any further on that. When you're not named at a
team from one week to the next, LOWI you dropped, right,
Why do we have to have?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, once upon a time I think you were. But
I think it was John Hart that started to introduce
that rotation. And then I can remember right back to
went there. I thought him and grizz had the side over.
In the ninety one World Cup, played the first game
(02:47):
against England, and then I sat on the sideline for
the second game and Pervy took over. And that was
the thing. I think that era was the start of rotation.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Rotation because you were dropped. I mean, Pervy with all
jurisis you were, you were, you were the.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
King of If you're not playing, if you're not playing,
you take Yeah, it's a it's yeah. Some of the
it's very very different these days. The way you get
a niggle, you don't play. Yeah, gone are the days
you're carried on Friday minutes, week in, week out. Now,
(03:24):
after four or five tests, you're a wee bit banged up,
so you need to rest well. You'll be able to
tell me where's the next test after this weekend, So
you've got a bit of downtime to recover, having you
missed the proctor for.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Example, exactly that whole banged up thing. All that's done
for me is opened the door for Quintu Pie to
play a good game at center, and Billy Procter doesn't
get another chance. It is Billy Proctor hasn't as delivered
quite as they had wanted, and I feel like banged
up as an excuse and they would like what to
Pire did late in the game the other week. So
are they going to give him a shot? Same with
Satiti second season Blues. The bloke's not firing on all
(04:00):
cylinders like he showed, So we're going to go with
Lackeye at number eight. We just need to say it how.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It isn't I don't think so, TD. You're being very
generous to him. He got a real dose of the
second season Blues and I know he's had a couple
of injuries, but hey, the all Black jerseys meant to
be about those that are performing and performing week in
week out, and that's probably why Adie severe. It doesn't
matter what number jersey he's got, on what position he's playing,
(04:28):
He's there because he performs week in week out. Like
we saw during Super Rugby form Moanna pacifica.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yep, okay quickly the Wallabies Lowy well Skelton and Rob
Valentini the big bodies and against and last week that's
possibly what they missed. They'll be. They will be a
much tougher position, even though they got within a few
points of us in at Eden Park, a much tougher
proposition in Perth.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
As we know, these games between the Wallabies and the
All Blacks, they're always close in a lot of ways.
And I don't I expect I said before last week's Test,
I thought it was their opportunity. If they had have
got up over the All Blacks, then it would have
been all on on Perth because the cup would have
been on the line, and I'm one that believes it
(05:15):
should be on the line every week and that would
really spice things up. But I don't think they'll, you know,
they'll make that much more difference. I think the All
Blacks are still probably more mobile and with the changes
that have been made to the pack, they're definitely more
mobile than the Wallabies. And I don't think Wallabies have
(05:38):
got one or two in their team that are quite soft,
and I think that's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Al Right, I will see you and i'll analyze this
on Monday. I'm going to call you back because I've
got a slightly different view on it, so we might
talk Monday, if that's all right, Low say listen to
the show because you've got three wonderful kids and farm
succession will be a big issue for you at some stage.
I know it's an issue for every family. I shouldn't laugh,
should I? And the dairy beef opportunity too, you, that's
something you and I should talk about, Lisa, big slab
(06:05):
of land and do something with that. That's all coming
up here on the country. It is thirty minutes after midday,
twelve thirteen. I'm only one and I'm seventeen again.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I gotta get back because it's been.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
To that's my favorite country.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Here we are on the country on your Friday, heading
into the weekend. Two reports on dairy beef being released
to clients next week from the team at Rabobank, one
focused on New Zealand and one with the Global Lends,
co authored by Gen Corkan and Emma Higgins and Jin
(06:49):
joins us now afternoon, Gin him, I'm great, thank you,
thank you for joining us. What do we mean by
a dairy beef in the New Zealand Cox?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, thanks samiush. So we have got two reports coming
out and they're both focusing on dairy beef. So it's
a great point to define what this actually means, right
because ultimately almost all dery kettle end up in the
beef the pie chain once they've done this service to
the New Zealand industry. Right, So, dairy beef in this context,
and what we're talking about here is basically dairy calves
(07:22):
born to deiry colves on dairy farms. But these are
the calves that are then reared for beef production. So
typically they are suitplus calves that aren't required as here
for replacements, so they might some of them might be
side by dairy balls, some of them might be sided
by beef balls. And we've got about four million carves
born annually to deiry calves. Around a third of those,
(07:45):
or about twenty eight percent of those are kept as
here for replacements, so technically there's a seventy percent kind
of surplus of calves. And what this report is focusing
on in the New Zealand context is what is the
opportunity to make use of more of these calves and
our beef production systems. And we all know, you know,
what beef prices have been looking like recently, so there
(08:07):
is an opportunity here to perhaps do a little bit
more with some of these calves that currently aren't being
red for beef production.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So we had a great chat yesterday with our Australia
correspond to, Chris Russell, and you know, the Aussie beef
outlook is just pumping and it's got longevity about it.
So why does this New Zealand report you describe this
as a strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand. Yeah,
it's a real green light opportunity, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It really is. And I think the challenge with beef
production systems right is that they are a longer game
in terms of that space between a calf being born
and minute being ready to enter in terms of like
meat production, the beef supply chain. So there's a real
opportunity here because you know, we've got a bit of
legs in the global beef outlook for the next few years.
(08:55):
Strong pricing just based on kind of a global shortage
of red meat. So this year alone, you know, we
are sitting in a fallout of two years ago. We
are not mini dairy beef calves. We're weird. So normally
we are already wearing about a quarter of the calves
born too, deary calves and producing their menstery. So that's
just about over a million hit, just over a million
hit of those four million calves. Great, we could do
(09:18):
more and you see boom and bust kind of cycles
with calf. We're in this year one hundred and forty
five thousand odd extra calves compared to last year being reared.
About two years ago it was the opposite, so we
had not all those calves extra cars being read and
we're seeing the fallout of that now, right, So global
beef supplies down, especially in the United States in some
(09:38):
of the Northern Hemisphere countries, and those countries like Australia
that are pumping out beef at the moment are really
being able to capitalize on those high prices, right. And
we've got a lot of supply in New Zealand, so
that's sort of adding a little bit of upside to
our prices as well. But actually that everygisball value is
high and that's not related to our supply here in
New Zealand. So it's a great opportunity to to you know,
(10:00):
perhaps a few of these extra carves. We're not saying
it's going to be easy or that we can rear
hunt seen of the calves, because that's you know, unlikely however,
you know, and the report talks about this, but if
we rare, if we have a kind of meaty goal
of extra say six hundred thousand calves at today's current
market prices, that's you know, that's unlocking about another one
(10:22):
point two billion conservatively, you know, a net red medics
book check. So it's an interesting proposition.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think, yeah, absolutely, Okay, So what are the challenges
you talk about? It won't be easy and there's a
bit of time involved, but what are the key challenges
preventing the wider adoption of this given the good outlook?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, that's right. And this isn't a new topic, right,
So dairy beef has been a topic that we've discussed
over many many years, we being New Zealand, and broadly
there's three but challenges hemsh So I can touch on
all of these. But firstly are pastoral farming systems. Secondly
cart rearing it's a challenge, and then also kind of
(11:01):
this collaborative approach that we might need between the sectors
for dairy and beef and perhaps industry as well. So
number one, our farming systems in New Zealand, we're really
set up here around pasture growth and the pasture growth
curve which is seasonal, and in a dairy sense, this
makes a lot of sense, right because we want peak
pasta supply lining up with peak milk supply and the
(11:22):
demand that it cows deer cows have at that time.
So we all understand, you know that that's the way
our systems are set up. But this makes it really
challenging in a carving sense and different to many oversease
countries that might be carving just all for a year,
equal amounts of cars each month, and that makes it
a little easier for wearing, for labor for basically for
a farm system. So under seasonal carving and New Zealanders
(11:44):
is mostly in spring. There's also pockets of wortun carving now,
which is great, but this creates a short and intense
window where calves are born over six to eight weeks,
a lot of calves, a lot of calves, and how
do we wear all of those calves. We're already going
to red head replacements. The other nuance we've got these
young dairy hiffer cows coming through. They need a low
(12:05):
birth weight fire that means, you know, easy carving out
in the pastures shortly station link. There's been something that's
been a real focus to really make sure that carving
period is compact and growth rates. You know, all these
calves born to these heifers, all these cows hasn't always
been the goal because A we just need heat replacements
(12:26):
and b we need to get the calves safely out
of the cow so that they can start producing milk.
The other big elephant in the room if we think
about pastoral systems in New Zealanders, if we want to
rear all the calves, where are we going to put them?
So that's obviously something that we addressing the report and
extra say just two million calves would have to go somewhere,
So of course we don't want that to be at
(12:47):
the expense of our beef breeding herd or are used.
So this is where it gets really challenging in New Zealand.
So the second big one is calf wearing and we
focus on this quite a lot in the report, in
the New Zealand Report because it's is a nuance. It's
got so many cars being bought once. Labor is always
a challenge in our primary sector around you know, people
to actually wear these carves and we've seen the boom
(13:10):
bus cycle over the different years with calves being read
in numbers. Infrastructure around carve wearing is also an interesting one,
isn't it, Because we have these sheds that are used
for this really intense and short period of time, and
it makes it difficult to have that capital infrastructure sitting
there empty maybe for other parts of the year. So
we can talk about split carving and other ways that
we can get around this, but it's not necessarily easy.
(13:32):
But overall, and I think the third one is really
just some great coordination and feedback loops across their value
supply chain for dairy beef in New Zealand could really
mean that we have a more consistent pathway for dairy
beef and we could really be sort of jumping into
those tailwinds of the high prices like we are seeing
now out there.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, good stuff and the opportunities there. There are some challenges,
but wrapping up Gin, the outlook looking pretty good. Five
to ten years down on the track, there's some positive
thinking and there's real real green shoots here.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, certainly some green shirts and opportunities are always faced
with challenge, right, But this report's really just opening up
the conversation around what are our challenges, why are we
doing And there's a global report as well that sort
of sits in line with us one to compare some
of the other global systems and how they're doing dairy beef.
But how also we are quite different here, so we
need to have a lot of grace with ourselves. But yeah,
(14:30):
great opportunity. The beef pricing is going to be strong
over the next two to three years in New Zealand,
we think, and certainly beef is a versatile protein. People
know what to do with its popular, healthy, real food.
So yeah, we'll have a stake for diners.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Not of thing.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Amazing what that oldle bit of water and a bit
of grass and a bit of sunshine can do? I here, fantastic, Jen,
thank you very much, much appreciated.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Thanks nice to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Much my favorite countries.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, now the root meat story that's getting fantastic. Are
you got a steak story there, Michelle? What you've got
a quick steak story here?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
I do indeed. Alliance Group, Now you might have heard
this at the top of the hour. They kind of
punched my news, but Alliance Group's pure south hand packed
fifty five day age steak beef angus age beef has
been recognized on the world stage, securring top honors at
the World State Challenge in the Netherlands, which is pretty
exciting stuff in New Zealand. New Zealand Meat, I think,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Absolutely absolutely it's all good news. We'll keep it coming.
It is twelve twenty six here on the country.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Then you probably don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah, well come on.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The farmer panel with the Isuzu Dmax, the Kiwi ute
built off with truck DNA.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
This is the country on your Friday. As we hear
into a bledders low cupboy, all the bladers that caps
down and dusted, isn't it? The all blacks get to
keep it. But I think it's going to be an
incredibly interesting occasion over there in Perth. And we'll be
catching up with mckaye on Sport hosted by Jamie McKay
other end of the microphone this weekend as we go
to Perth. Now. Farm succession planning hugely important topic because
(16:18):
much changes in the next a decade, intergenerational transfer of
wealth will occur hugely. More than half of all farmers
and growers is about close to eighteen thousand will reach
the age of sixty five. So this is a massively
important topic and we need to get the younger Brigade,
(16:40):
the young Guns a view of this. And our Farmer
panel today, well you don't get any better than the
twenty twenty four Young Farmer of the Year and then
the twenty twenty five Young Farmer of the Year to
discuss this topic. First of all, we'll go to the
sort of the Tiakaw Counties region, Hugh Jackson, who Michelle
called Hugh Jackman yesterday to me, so I thought you
(17:01):
that's that's going to be intimidating. But how are you
on the farm? Theyre all good up by the water
tank on the hill, are you?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And good? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Hammership just popped up here to make sure I'm in
a decent enough reception to give you a hopefully you
can hear me all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I got you alloud and clear. And George Johnson down
from the Darfield region or how's the day down there?
Speaker 8 (17:22):
What's awe but gloomy Hamersham. Great to be on the show,
but we're out on farm and enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, good stuff, rightio, gents will come to you Hugh,
how important is succession planning when you're sitting around, you know,
having a cup of tea or an al after work?
Is Is it very important to your family and your business?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Necessarily a very fortunate position to be involved as a
family farm back at home and see our famly been
home a couple of years and we've had some good
discussions around the succession planning. Feel it's very important. Or
when I first sort of got home, I sort of thought, oh, yeah,
we'll be able to discuss things and work out as
(18:07):
a plan, but by biasales. But it sort of became
fairly clear early on that some outside help and someone
to guide the conversation and ask those tough questions is
really important. So actually got involved with real coach and
Brett Robinson, who was bloody awesome and I can't recommend
him enough and going through the process and getting someone
(18:30):
else involved in a plan and help you guys achieve
it along the way, George.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Is that your view on things? And it's important to
get a third party involved here because it's such a well,
it's a topic with so many layers to it.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Yeah, it's a very relevant and important topic. I suppose
I could almost speak from the other end of the
scale and the fact that my family doesn't own a
farm or anything. We've actually well we do now, but
we haven't until recently. So it's something that we're thinking
about in the future and how we're going to navigate it.
But it's not something that I've really come across too much,
but you're definitely something that we've had to start thinking
(19:09):
about as we purchased a farm pretty recently.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Hugh, what are some of the what are some
of the biggest challenges do you think around farm succession,
because it's not just it's more than just assets. I guess,
it's it's skill, it's knowledge, it's a lot of I
guess almost unseen factors as well.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges probably determining
what's fair thissus, what's equitable or even I'm not always
the same thing, and what the goals, the family goals are.
If you're there and you want to see the farm
go another generation and people are on board with that, yeah,
you've got to try and make some sacrifices at some
(19:48):
stage somewhere at times, But the biggest thing I think
is just getting onto it early. As you can, not
pushing the boat or the can down the road, because
that's sort of when things get tougher and stickier. And
if you can have a chat early and get everyone
on the same page or on a similar page versus
(20:10):
people assuming things and assuming other things, then yeah, it's
not a good place to be. So getting into it early,
talking openly about it and making a start is definitely
the key to it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I think, Yeah, making a start, George, there's no doubt,
as you say, it's something that's probably new on the
table for you as new farm owners, as a family business.
But there are some horror stories out there, aren't there,
because because this is a topic that's just been approached
too far, too late in the process.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think it's got to be spoken about
from day dot. You know, when the child, I suppose
comes home to the family farm. It needs to be
a discussion that's you know, starting to be opened up
right away so that all parties are aware, and like
you say, is ultimately some party is going to probably
have to make a small sacrifice given the price of
land and it's sort of things and the returns of
(21:01):
farming at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, there's so much to talk about this,
but it's good to hear from you guys as both
Young Farmers of the Year Hugh Jackson and George Doddson
a panel to day and of course Young Farmers Comps
coming up. Gentlemen, you know you'll be sort of watching
on it with an eagle eye starting what just in
a what a week or two as well, So yeah,
(21:25):
the next crop coming through you.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, it's exciting, definitely starting again eighteenth of this month,
we're going to have a first round of districts. I
believe East Coast, South and Otago and Tasman Or having
their district on that weekend and then the next one
after that's well I've got both. Yeah, why can about
plenty of having our district there at Clawdland's in Hamilton
(21:50):
and involved with the organization of that this year. So
I'm looking forward to seeing how people enjoy themselves, have
some fun and get into some practical modules. It's opportunity
to test yourself and just learn some new skills. I've
always learned something new every competition of competed in any level, district,
(22:11):
Regional Grand Final, so can't recommend it enough to give
yourself do yourself a favor and put an entry in.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, and George, I mean they can only be one winner,
as you know, but there must be learnings and a
great experience for everybody that gets involved.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh absolutely, especially at the district's level where you're with
all your mates and stuff. Before you sort of get
pulled into the top eight for regionals. You go along
and have a bit of fun. Most of us probably
don't throw too much into preparing for it, but we
get stuck in. Then there's heaps of people that put
their hand up to help out as well, so it's
around all around a great day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, fantastic, gentlemen. That's how Farmer Panel Hugh Jackson out
of Tiaco County's Region twenty twenty five Young Farmer of
the Year twenty twenty four Young Farm of the Year
George Johnson out of a gloomy duf field. It is
today on your Friday, and that's topically the all important
succession planning. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Coming up to
twelve fourteen, well there we go, thanks gentlemen. Yeah, thank you.
(23:06):
And I think I've got an apology coming hues by Michelle.
I think I think I've got my sort of my
boundary lines wires crossed. Tiaka is probably whitehadow, isn't it,
rather than counties. I just sort of took a bit
of a stab in the dark.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
There.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
You're sadly asking the wrong girl. I think I told
you that I don't My North Island geography is not great.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well you got a bit upset about Well, there's one
or two. Get a bit upset when I say Southern
Hawks by northern wider it's terra terror.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, or you might start a fight on the text
machine with that one.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do't start a fight on the text machine.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That old farm succession thing, now, gee, there's some horror
stories out there. People who've worked for years on a
family farm for bigger rule probably saved it. And then
twenty years later the siblings come along and it's sold
for eight or ten times more than they all want
the same chunk. Gee, I'll tell you what interesting times,
interesting times, Funny things happen. Eh, funny things happen. Ignorance
(23:58):
can rule the day. So get the farm succession as sorted.
Shall we take We're going to take a break and
then we go to the big fellow Jamie.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Yeah, see if we can find Jamie Alex.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Where in the world is Jamie McKay next wave saying
nominally should marry twagged Bill Bob Roads to forty four
on your Friday on the Country Country Music Friday. There's
(24:31):
no doubt a whole lot of good roosters in Perth,
but apparently there's one outside Jamie's window at four am
in the morning. Let's see what sort of mood that's
left them in Jamie McKay.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
How are you fella GOODA homus McKay, thanks for filling
the void and you're doing a great job. I've just
been listening to the show while I've been waiting to
chat to you a year. Look at Perth obviously five
hours behind New Zealand. So it plays a weebit with
your sleep patterns.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You wake up at.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Three or four in the morning anyhow, because that's sort
of your body clocks telling you to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But my sleep.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Patterns haven't been helped by a friggin rooster that I
wanted to attack him yesterday with the golf clubs. He's
right outside in the window, and I thought rooster's only
crowed like at the crack of dawn bu This bugger
is going all night crowing, driving me nuts, driving me nuts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh look, I just hope the All Blacks win because
on Sunday morning, that poor rooster will have a death
sentence to the All Black start when you'll get him.
You'll get him with the big Bertha.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
He's my golf clubs are sitting just outside, not a
mile away from the rooster. And I'll tell you what.
He's in a precarious situation here. Look, I heard you
commental web it the Aussies. What do you say, one
to twelve paying what?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, one to twelve they're paying three dollars seventy. I
thought that was really good.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good money. All right, Because obviously
the All Blacks have had had to make a few changes,
some because of injury, some I guess because of form.
I haven't seen the Aussie team. I'm assuming that scout
and that other big bloke a back yep. So they're
going to be pretty strong. And I always thought, you know,
(26:14):
after the hiding in Wellington from the spring box Hamish,
that the All Blacks would bounce back at Eden Park.
It is they're fortress. They always historically they've always come
back from bad performances with a good one. And they
weren't too bad were they at Eden Park? Mind you,
the Aussies weren't that bad either, But I reckon it's
it's absolutely a game on over here in front of
(26:36):
sixty thousand fans.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
There's heaps of kiwis here.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Ross, I mean Hamish. I'm staying with my old friend
Ross Stuart. We went to primary school and Lincoln together.
He's lived over here for about thirty years. So there's
a crew of us from Riversdale over here, and then
there's another Butts who go duck shooting with us in
Riversdale from christ Church who are over here. So the
two my miys are meeting up tomorrow before the footy.
(27:01):
So there's going to be a lots of kiwis and
lots of all black gear running around the middle of
Perth tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, it does feel like that. Quite a bit of excitement,
just you know. I mean, we like going to Sydney
or Brisbane. At Perth just a little bit more of
a hop step and a jump, isn't it. I mean, gee,
it's a long way from New Zealand at the end
of the day, but that's great to hear. Have you
have you bumped into the mercurial Joe Smith at any stage?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, No, Look, honestly, we've I got here on Tuesday
afternoon evening and we've we've had two full days of golfing.
We're going to some wonderful courses. They have so many
great golf courses over here. We're just about to head
north of Perth to a resort course called Joonda Lup
or something like that, and so I haven't even had
(27:47):
I haven't even been into Perth. But that's tomorrow's mission.
It's a non golfing day, homersh. I'm really keen to
get in and have a look at the city itself.
They tell me it's wonderful. The new stadium, the opter
stadiums are meant to be wonderful. I'd only spent six
hours on the ground in Perth a dozen years ago
on the way to a South Africa farming and forty tour,
so I'd never left the airport, so it's all new
(28:09):
to me. And this is a huge city. I think
there might be two or three million people here Hamish,
but it's so spread out you can see it from
the air. When we flew in. It's the size of
London and yet it probably has twenty percent of that
of the population, but rarely looking forward to exploring it.
(28:29):
We've seen some really interesting country. We took a bit
of a cross country tour yesterday on our way back
from the golf club south of Perth that we played
yesterday with some interesting country here. You wouldn't call it
prime what we would Southland or Manor or two grazing,
but you know, they've had their wettest winter on record.
They're just heading into their springs. Everything's very, very green,
(28:53):
but I'm told that to come high this summer it'll
be looking pretty much like a.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Desert, righty o, Jamie Hay. One last thing? Did you
make Ross Stewart? Does he come back to south and
product shooting back? Is there a spot in the mymi
for him or how does that work?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yeah, that's what he does.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
He comes right, He comes back every year.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, fantastic shoting.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
So look, it's wonderful. You know, it makes your met
us five year old. You know, we went to high
school to Lincoln together. He's a he's a bit of
a rough diamond. He's a classic and you know, but
he's got a beautiful property on the outskirts of Perth.
So we're very very lucky apart from the Bloody Rooster.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Apart from the Bloody Rooster. Because I'm going to get
you on board, I'm going to need your help with this.
I want to I've got till May to get an
invitation back into a man of or two, Mymi, and
you know right now, I mean it's probably the wrong
time the season to be pitching for this, but you know,
I just want people in the man or two to
you know, I'm home, I'm ready. Where's the invitation? You know,
I need to know in Auckland too long and yeah,
(29:56):
so I just thought you might be to help me
out with that one, Jamie. Come next month you put the.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Pitch out now, I'm sure some of your old mates
because there's like it's it's male social I shouldn't say
male social bonding male and female. I'll offend someone with that,
but it's absolutely it's bonding at its very very best.
I'm a retired shooter now, I'm only a social convener,
but I have a duck pond. I have a wet
London's in a K two National Trust. It is my
(30:21):
pride and joy Hamish and I.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Hope that one day, because we're such good mates, that
I get to visit that place, because that sounds bloody magnificent.
Jamie McKay, thank you, follow you go and enjoy the rugby.
Hopefully the rooster shuts up. There we go. There's Jamie
over there in Perth. Great to chat to him. We'll
take a break, come back grabbing all up Friday on
the country.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Come on in, sugar and.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I've been gone.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Long, I've been winning on a druma to kick up.
I've been when knowing get dog.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Twelve fifty three, seven minutes away from one. Thank you
for your company today on the country. Great to chat
to Jamie out of Perth there, mishell? What he sounds
very excited? Did he sound relaxed? The big guy he
was just I felt like he was in his elements,
surrounded by you know, by golf courses, old mates from
the mymi just I'd love to see somebody that's, you know,
(31:35):
taking some time out and going somewhere seriously cool.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
It sounds like the ultimate guys trip, doesn't it. And
I think it'd be very relaxing. Although it's the time
difference I think is about five hours, he was telling me,
So he's been waking up at four am, which, you know,
luck he's over there for a little while, because I
think if you're only over there for a couple of days,
that kind of carry on would would get to you
after a while.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I totally, I totally get that.
So some great topicy this cah enjoyed the boys from
the land. We were talking with Hugh Jackson and George Dodson,
the most recent Young Farmers of the Year. Young Farmer
of the Year. It always rings in my ear that
and they were talking succession planning, some interesting stuff in there,
(32:16):
because it does cause the occasional moment of grief or two,
doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, you heard it from some horror stories,
no doubt.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah, there's been a lot of horror stories. And I
think you know, we were talking about how the average
age of farmers now is, you know, late fifties. I
think for sheep, sheep and beef is what I see
your dairies a little bit younger. So it's you know,
they're getting on. You need people to sort of take
over that land. It's not like the old days. Where
your son or daughter came and just took over the farm.
(32:45):
I hosted the Century Farm Awards actually earlier in the
year and some amazing succession stories there from those farmers
where they've passed it down through generations, which is incredible.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean that what's happening farmer
age wise and the next sort of five to ten
years is quite remarkable. I like the idea of this
dairy beef too, and these two reports that are coming
out from Gen Corkran and the team the senior analyst
at Rabobank. The Dairy Beef reports talk about opportunity knocks
(33:15):
there and because there's a good feeling of longevity for
the red meat industry.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Absolutely it's positivity, right, I mean, isn't it great to
see something positive in sectors and around the primary industry
and people feeling positive about things?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think Hamish, Yeah, I can't see how there wouldn't
be a massive amount of positivity. And in the next
survey of positivity. And while I'm talking at positivity, can
you just flick me an email about something else that
I need to comment on, you know, just let's see
how multi skilled you are. Because Mackay's butterfingers are not
working at the moment on my particular screen in front
(33:54):
of it. I know I've got to cover off something
for us before we wrap up the show on a Friday. Well,
wherever you are, whatever you might be doing, I just
can't get over those all black numbers. Hey, how about
how about this for the test tomorrow? The Wallabies, the
All Blacks at one to twelve are paying two dollars
seventy at the tab. That seems like a horrendous amount,
(34:17):
a very strong amount. And the Wallabies they are paying
three dollars seventy themselves at one to twelve, and I
think that they're going to be a whole lot better
than what they were in at Eden Park last week.
Right before before we go, We've got, well, we've got.
(34:38):
You've heard about the five ways to well be farm strong.
There are five simple habits that can help you deal
with the tough times and get more out of life.
To find out more, hit to farmstrong dot code dot
in Zen just a great place to go to farmstrong
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(34:59):
them and each those small ways. It doesn't have to
be massive. It's like me with my getting down on
the floor and doing two times two minute bridges a day.
My chest and my arms and everything had coming back
after my surgery, lost my lost all my muscle and everything.
Now it's all come simple things. You'll notice that simple
things really you'll notice a big difference. So here I
go again. Five ways to well being farmstrong dot co
(35:22):
dot nz. There's five simple habits. Just get them in
there and watch the way you can deal with the
tough times and get more out of life and actually
enjoy the good times too because rurally these are pretty
pretty prosperous times. But that doesn't mean to say we
don't have problems and challenges. D it does it farmstrong
dot co dot nzen. This has been in the country.
(35:44):
We'll do it all again next week out of Auckland
and Palmerston North and Michelle Watt and Donadan producer guru.
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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