September 12, 2024 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Chris Brandolino, Emma Poole and Tim Dangen, Bill Osborne, Michael Harvey, and Barry Soper.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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Get a New Zealand and welcome to thee brought to
you by Brant on a Black Friday. Going to kick
off the show with Chris Brandolino. Nie was where the
guy turned the tap off in the Deep South and
send it further north. That's the message we're getting. Today's
Farmer panel Emma Paul and Tim Danjin, two of New
Zealand's most high profile young farmers. In fact, they were
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the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three Young Farmers
of the Year respectively. Really looking forward to catching up
with Bill Osborne, one of my all black heroes. When
I was at high school, we all wanted to be
like Bill Osborne. And Bruce Robertson. He is former stock agent,
former All Blacks legend, former president of nz ARE, former
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corporate high flyer, going to talk a wee bit about
Heartland rugby and what he's doing him and his son,
I think are doing to supply the food banks with
wild court venison. They turn it into mints and give
it to the food banks. Michael Harvey missed him yesterday
out of Sydney, Rabobank's senior dairy guy on the uncertain
future for the New Zealand Live catilec sport trade and
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the prospects of a nine dollars price. Verry Soper ponders,
Donald Darlene and another one for Wiley Old Winston. All
that is on the show today.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Me were Weather Update with Alenko, Trusted Animal Health Solutions.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Chris Brendelino. Are you suspicious? Do you worry about black
Friday's good afternoon?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I can be suspicious, but you know, Friday the thirteenth,
I don't. I don't get up, you know, up in
arms over it.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
No, nah either Do I think I was born on
one of them? Actually that might explain that, Well, that
might explain a few things. I've got to go back.
I've got to go back a few years to figure
out if I was. Look, it's been a bit of
a black Friday. In fact, it's been a bit of
a black wake for my farming mates down south because
they won't turn the tap off. They tell me that
they're going to look at rice as an alternative to
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sheep farming and and deairy farming. At the moments, they
just can't get a break. And we know that further
up the South Island anyhow, North Canterbury, North Canterbury is
still looking for rain. Can you move some of it
up the country?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Boy? I wish I could, Jamie, I really do. And
I'm just looking at you know, it's it's the thirteenth
as we know, of September, so they're not quite halfway through.
So I'm just looking at how things have tracked so far,
you know, from a you know, just to kind of
add some some color to what you said about the
rainfall and the four areas of many areas of Southland,
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particularly central and western Southland, even interior Otago, certainly the
lower west coast of the South Island. Rainfall has been
two hundred percent of normal so far this month. So
it's certainly you have a number is certainly back it
up for sure. And to your point, the dryness is
an issue, continues to be an issue across eastern and
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northeastern parts of the South Island, with many areas less
than half or about half or less anyway of what
is normal, and it's been really dry for the North
found I should say, so far this month we've had
many areas less than twenty percent of normal when it
comes to monthly rainfall, again, we're only about two weeks
into the month, but we are going to get more rain,
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some needed rank for the North Island this weekend, particularly
Tomorrow and Saturday.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Okay, do we get a break for the South.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
We do, It's not going to be an extended breaks.
They're going to be basically a breaks from the norm.
So one break will be tomorrow, so that'll be good news.
Tomorrow should be pretty decent day overall for pretty much
the entire South Island. Then as we look ahead to Sunday, unfortunately,
we're going to see another round of rain and that
will probably favor I would say Sunday western and lower
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areas of the South Island, as has usually been the
and that rain will move North, so we get a
good drop of rain for northern parts of the South Island.
It looks like Monday, and that rain does move into
the North Island Monday afternoon as well. Tuesday is going
to be a god awful day weatherwise. It'll feel like
mid winter. So people you know, in the capping and
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the landing's still going on, particularly in the South Island.
That's something to watch. I know we're dealing with the
snow and cold weather now, but there may be more
to come, particularly the cold squally showers, maybe some thunderstorms
with hail wind, cold temperatures on Tuesday, and it does
get better on Wednesday, but the chill remains so unfortunately,
the next week is not looking as a whole great.
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There will be the odd day or two where things
are you know, palatable. From a weather perspective, I do
think we'll have to wait till October, maybe very late
this month, but more likely October to get some more
persistently settled and eventually very warm weather. Be careful what
you wish for, because as we're looking ahead into the
longer range, and I'm talking like basely October November, there
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are some pretty strong indications that we will see high
pressure become a pretty regular visitor to the country, not
the show, but our country during much of October. And
that'll come with warmth and dryness. So while it's been
wet and cool now, we may rapidly go to the
other side of the spectrum as we progress through the
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month of October.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Okay, Chris, thank you very much for your contribution. As
always on a Friday, I really appreciate it. You have
a good weekend you too, Thank you, sir. Here we go, Yeah,
seeing some horrible pictures from down south. There's nothing worse.
There's nothing worse because I've been a past life. I
was a sheep farmer, and there's nothing worse than landing
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or carving for that matter. An awful weather and you
don't mind a day or two of it. You just
you know, you know it's Ethan gets through it. But
when it's endless, endless, endless, it does where you done.
Good luck to all you farmers out there battling away.
Good on you. I admire you. Right, we're going to
take a break on the other side of it to
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young farmers, I think where there's not an issue for them.
We'll find out in a minute, so we're heading to
the North Island. Emma Paul twenty twenty three Young Farmer
of the Year FMG Young Farmer of the Year, Wakato
dairy farmer, mum of two and a vet. How does
she squeeze all that into a day? And her brother,
older brother Tim Dangel twenty twenty two Young Farmer of
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the Year. And he is really into encouraging our best
and brightest young minds to choose agriculture and the primary
sector for an occupation. We'll see what he's going to
do about it up after the break before the end
of the hour. Looking forward to catching up with Bill Osborne.
He was a great him and Bruce Robinson one of
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the finest midfield combinations. Michael Harvey out of Sydney and
Barry Soper On Donald and Darlene.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The farmer panel with the Kawasaki Mule one thousand side
by sides built for demanding days.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, it's the Dangon's own panel. Emma Paul twenty twenty
three Young Farmer of the Year, Her older brother Tim
Dangen twenty twenty two FMG Young Farmer of the Year. Tim,
I might start with you because I know that you're
not only a beef farmer in west Auckland, you're also
a big fan of education, agri education and our schools.
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And to that end, I think you're asking for one
point five million dollars to deliver thirty trained egg and
hort teachers for our schooling system. How are you going
on that one.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah, Jamie, good to be here as always in congratulations
on last week. I'm sure it's a big week for you.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
So we're after one point five miles spread over three
years pretty well to deliver hopefully thirty trained egg hart
teachers which will on average teach around eighty students a year,
and hopefully we can convert thirty five percent into the sector,
which would result in about seven hundred and fifty young
people coming towards the industry per year. And it's just
something that's sort of stemmed off the back of the
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Zenda McDonald reward and us wanting to improve the amount
of young people coming into the industry to try and
reach the goal of doubling export in the next ten years,
as well as allowing some of our young people to
capitalize on the awesome opportunities that are out there within
the primary sector.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So should the government be funding this or should the
industry be funding it? Would this be a good investment
for the likes of Beef and Lamb New Zealand deiry
en Z.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Yeah, I would have thought so, but they don't seem
too much of an appetite for it at the moment.
I see darien Z have just pulled out of most
of their educational programs, which I think is a little
bit short sighted. It's I know, it's tough because you
know money's money is short everywhere and particularly on farm
so they're obviously looking to prioritize their funds into other directions.
But I think most importantly we want clear direction and
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investment from central government anyway we want we want them
to be putting out positive signals to the wider public
that this is the sector of choice, it's the sector
that delivers for the nation, and we want to be
pushing as many young people towards it as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Well, I'm glad you two ended up going in that direction,
because you're leading the charge for the next generation. Emma
Paul as I said last year's Young Farmer of the Year.
How's the dairy season treating you in the way Cato region.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
Well, things are actually looking a bit more positive, Jamie.
Good afternoon, and it's good to be here. But it's
nice to see you know. I'm looking out across the
farm at the moment. We've had some really good weather.
We've got an eight in front of the payout. Hopefully
that moves to a nine. Palm Kennel's got a two
in front of it for the first time in three
or four years. So there's actually room to have a
cracking season here if we could just get those interest
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rates to shift a bit, which I think you've talked
about a lot this week. But yeah, there's a lot
of things to be grateful for. Suddainly in the North Island.
That the way Ketto region at the moment, and hopefully
those South Islanders can get a bit of a reprieve
from the weather in follow suit.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, well the rice paddies, Japan's short of rice. I
think they could send some from south and they've got
enough water down there to grow it at the moment. Emma,
you want to talk about GMO feeds and whether it
suits the animals eating it or the humans planting it.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, it's just food for thought, Jamieen, I have been thinking.
And I'm not as dangerous as Jane Smith when I
get thinking, but I've been looking out across our farm
and we've got a lot of petics of heavily renovated pastures.
We've been planting lots of the new premial rye grasses
and the likes, and it's got me thinking, you know,
whether or not these crasses are actually designed for the
animals eating it. And I think think as farmers, we've
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been at fault for you know, asking agronomists to produce
grass seeds that grow as much in higher quantity as possible.
But these grasses, you know, especially when we come to
these spring seasons, they grow rapidly, but they also pass
rapidly through the cow, and it doesn't give the cow
the opportunity to absorb all of those nutrients that she
needs to do all of the things that she needs
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to do in particularly getting in calf at this time
of the year. And for me, raises the question with
GMO that if we open up the gates to that
and allow that, and will we be designing grasses for
the cows to eat or will they be grasses that
you know, appease us as humans planting them and thinking,
you know, in terms of methane reduction, if we are
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planting grasses that are designed to reduce methane with these cows,
will they have negative effects on the animals downstream? And
I'm talking things like subclinical rumin acidosis and laminitis and
those sorts of things. So a big thought to their Jamie,
But it's been tickling my brain.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Well, it's far too challenging for my brain. You sounded
like a vet there for a moment, and of course
you are a vets are getting Are you doing any
off farm work at the moment or you just flat
out carving.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
We've been pretty flat out with our own farm. We've
got the autumn heard so pregnancy scanning and dehorning calves
and you know, and the likes and seedars going in
and that sort of thing. So I guess that's where
that where I've been ruminating on all of those thoughts
that I think that some of the oldest school grasses
that we had produced would actually negate a lot of
these issues that we do see on farm at this
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time of the year with the year reproduction and cows.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And the likes vet shortage. I was reading about that
recently online. That's not going away, in fact could I
was really surprised Emma a number of years ago talking
to a rural vet about how little they I don't
know whether it's changed how little they got paid after
six or seven years at Massa University almost effectively the
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same qualifications as a doctor.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Yes, not quite a doctor, a doctor of animals, I guess,
But yeah, it's the pay is not fantastic for I
guess the type of work that you had to do
in the after hours is the real crux for vets
that it does really, you know, affect their personal life
because you've got a you know, every couple of weekends,
hold a phone on call and and you can't start
any jobs around the house or anything like that you
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might get called out. So yep, that's also contributing to
the vet shortage. And yeah, a bit of pay would help.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
A long way.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
But of course they need farmers spending money and other
clients spending money at the vet clinics to return that
to the vet's pocket to keep the cycle going around.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I guess, okay, just to finish on Tim Danjin, pay
won't be an issue for you. You're a beef farmer
at mirror I you'll be coining it at the.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Moment, only to pay it all to the bank, Jamie.
But yeah, we are having a good season really. It's
nice to see some of those costs on the creek
back a little bit as well in terms of our
car thiring operation, and so yeah, I think that things
are looking pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Really.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
We just need into try to sit her down and
it will be good.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
All right.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
We've got something busy happening in the background that might
be a signal to bid you too. Farewell, Tim Dangent,
Emma Paul. Always good to catch up with you as
our farming panel on a Friday.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
Brilliant Jamie, enjoy your Friday, a good week.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
And thanks guys. Farming's in good hands, isn't it with
people like that? Running the Cutter twenty five after twelve
year with the Country, brought to you by Brandt some
of your feedback. Bevan Bevan, Bevan Bevan, I know Bevan.
He's his second name. As what is there any relation
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to you, Michelle, No relation that I know of.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Actually, Bevan's an old mate of mine from Southland days.
He was on the Ravens down board. At one stage
he's admonishing me, telling me off for bad grammar. You're
not the first one to do that, Bevan, and you
won't be the last. What did I get wrong? He said,
it's not him and the other fellow, it's he and
the other person. You might be right, Bevan, but him
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and the other bloke or the other fellow sounds better
to me. This is a farming show, broken down Southland
sheep farmer with the starter. You can't expect the world.
This is not Mike Hosking or John Campbell, thankfully for
the latter. This is a show for farmers and rural
folk and we've got lots of town he's listening as well,
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and we do really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
We're going to take a break on the other side
of it. When I was living down in Southland, when
I went I went to high school, boarding school down there,
and one of my real heroes was Bruce Robertson. Unfortunately
he's passed away. One of my other real heroes and
we all wanted to be like him at high school
was Bill Osbourne and we're going to speak to him next.
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Doing some really interesting things around supplying food banks before
the end of the hour. Michael Harvey out of Sydney
from rabobank prospects of a nine dollar milk price and
Barry Soper on Donald Darline. What an entertaining week it's Spain.
It's not only been raining cats and dogs in Southland,
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they've been eating them in Springfield. Up next to Bill Osborne.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Heartland Rugby coverage with agricultural consulting Services delivering the latest
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Speaker 5 (17:33):
We love Heartland Rugby here on the country and it's
great to catch up with your all black heroes. One
of mine in the seventies and eighties was Bill Osborne
for my money, along with Bruce Robertson, arguably our finest
ever midfield pairing.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Bill.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Great to have you on the country. I know you're
right behind Heartland Rugby. In fact, the Bill Osborne Tanga
is up for grabs for the best team in Heartland
Rugby and your Wanganui team owns it at the moment.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Good afternoon, yeah mate, yeh. Look on between two places
because you know two of the Heartland teams in the
Chiefs region have been battling it out over the last
couple of weeks, but wangan he's gone and taken it
home for us, So kind of hard for me for
being both camps.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Well, Wanganui beat Thames Valley sixteen fourteen, and I know
my offside are Awena Duncan's very pleased about this as well,
despite I read being down to fourteen men for the
third time in the match. So you did it the
hard way?
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Yeah, they look. I wasn't there, but I heard that
the guy's courageous defense for the last fifteen to twenty
minutes of the game is what won up with them.
And you know, in the old days when JJ Stuet
was coaching, he always said that defense was the best
form of attack and most games were won by a
better defense rather than an attack. Well he still holds
true today and Heartland Rugby absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I'm going to ask you a question which I know
the answer to, but i'll just get your view on it.
You made the All Blacks playing out of Wanganui, Andy Jefford,
I think made the All Blacks playing out of poverty
Bay East Coast. You just can't do that anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
No, Well, there's different tiers now and it's a big,
big big gap between Heartland rugby and even Super rugby,
let alone All Black rugby. So you know, the game's
come a long way and the professionalism's taken it to
heights that we couldn't have imagined.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Nowaday, you are a former president of n Z Rugby.
Matt Cooper's got the job. Now are you officially still
involved with rugby?
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Well, I am to the extent that I'm Chair of
the Chiefs, and I contribute to the interests of rugby
over a wider arch of interest.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I'm right and saying you've got a pretty well, I
know you've got a very good rural connection. You started out,
of course, you started out from Wanganui. You were a
stock agent. That was back in the days when you
had to work and being all black at the same time.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, they were great memories made. It's that connection
to the heartland that really kept me anchored and business
and later part of my life, you know, because I
can remember so clearly walking around farms talking to farmers,
salt of the youth, people you know that had common
sense like you couldn't imagine today, and they grounded you
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and they made you think about what New Zealand was
about how did you make.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
The transition from being a stock agent to like a
corporate high flyer.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Well, I went and got myself educated properly at a
university and got a master's degree, and that sort of
catapulted me forward and industry.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Really, So, when you're a young guy, did you basically
just leave school become a stock agent with a view
to being an all black?
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Well, yeah, it was that. Rugby was my life, right,
so I took up roles that enabled me to pursue
that interest in training and physical activity, in particular playing
rugby and being an agent was good for that because
you know, you're out running around the hills and sort
and stock everywhere and moving constantly, and you had time
to train.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Talk to me about the hunt for good trust, Now
this is something I think you and your son have
set up going out capturing deer or shooting deer. Can
I say that anymore? In large scale bill and to
make into mints for food banks. This is a wonderful initiative.
How did it come about?
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Well, look, it came about with my son hunting in
the Heartland Womanu area and noticing helicopters culling deer on
the neighboring property, which is Ardiha and Corporation then, which
I'm a shareholder of, and of course I've come from
Adiho anyway. So when he saw that, he said, Dad,
we've got to do something about that. That's coming to waste.
It's efficient, but there's a lot of hungry people around.
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We've got to do something about that. So we set
up this trust and now we do it by scale.
We did our pilot last weekend. We brought out thirty
five deer from Saturday's expedition and it's all going into
mince as we speak, and we'll be sort of reach
to food banks later on today.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Absolutely wonderful. While I've got you, it would be remiss
of me if I didn't ask you how you think
the All Blacks are going. Do you like a midfield
combination as Jordi and Ricca you Aannie the right ones?
Or are you like me maybe think Rica Juannie is
a better wing than the center.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Well, now, look, I think we've got the right players,
and I think we're just going through a phase we
were rebuilding after losing some experience. Yeah, I think we've
got the right coaching team, We've got the right players.
We'll get through this transition and we'll be right back
up there. Remember South Africa is the best team in
the world and they've got the top players in the
world who are getting experience all I think the world
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at the moment. But when they come back together, they've
got cohesion at the moment. Now, when those players turn over,
that cohesion will dissipate and we'll be right there as
we grow our team into the new era of football.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Has there ever been a better center than Bruce Robertson.
I think I know your answer here too, mate, not
that I know.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
Of, mate, and I'm biased of course, because he helped
me so much and he delivered our ability to play
together and make a difference. You know, Bill.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Osborne, It's been an absolute pleasure catching up with you again.
We must keep in touch and good well done on
your adventure hunt for good trust, filling those food banks
with venison mince from the hills. Always a pleasure to
catch up on the country and go Heartland Rugby and
I guess Mid Canterbury in for a bit of a hiding,
are they, Bill?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Well?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Look the real tests. In twenty first of September, when
wanting who defend the town at home and I'll be there, mate,
I'll be there, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Good on you.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Thanks for your time. Thank you Bill, what a pleasure
it is chatting to him right here. We're going to
take a break. On the other side of it. We're
not quite all blacks, well it is really, it's our
all Blacks dog trial team. Michelle's got the latest on
the whaler Go Cup which is getting underway across the
Tasman today or tomorrow. We'll update that one for you.
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I'll have sports news before the end of the hour.
Is our live animal export trade dead even if we
reinstate it? And what's the prospects? So what's the chances
for a nine dollar milk price? And Barry sober on
Donald and Darlene. It's been a wonderful week in politics.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
One Black Friday, Welcome back to the country.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
The easy beats Friday on my mind. Michelle, here's here's this.
I'm going to fill a wee knowledge gap for you.
This you know how don't Dream It's over was voted
or no, actually it wasn't. Nature My formula was voted
as our best pop song ever. Yeah you knew that,
and you probably knew that Don't Dream It's over by
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Crowded House was number two. This song Friday on My
Mind by the Easy Beats was voted as Australia's greatest
ever pop song.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Oh there you go, Fielder, I feel like I've Lawrence
some and grammar knowledge with you today.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Well you have. That happens every day in here talking
about Australia. We're going there in Rural News.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The Countries, World News with Cold Canet, New Zealand's leading
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dot Nz for your local stockist.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
And Michelle we've got the whaler Go Cup. It's like
the test match for the dog trialists.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
That's absolutely right. So that's happening as of today over
in Australia. I've been texting actually the guy who's in
charge of the team and also one of the judges,
Pat Cougan. So hopefully we'll have Ben Miller on the
show on Monday to chat about their experience over there.
But and the team for the cut which actually I
think this first test is this afternoon, second ones tomorrow
and the last ones on Sunday. We've got Stuart Child
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with Diesel Leo Edgington with Roxy, Scott Hunter with Lucy
and Ben Miller with King who will all be competing
in that testy and good.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Luck to the All black Dog trialists and it would
be well, we need to mention the late Neil Evans
tragically lost in July. He was the captain of the
All black Dog trialing team when they won at Ashburton.
When was that in about October? I think of last year,
so I'm sure they'll be doing it for Neil. Have
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we got anything else in rural news?
Speaker 7 (26:16):
No, just to put a sign, I've been actually watching
the sheep dog trials live on Facebook, so it's on
the Victorian Working Sheep Dog Association page if you did
want to go and watch those test live streams. It's
quite cool acually.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
And hopefully Ben Miller right on Monday Show.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Hopefully Ben Miller so fingers cross we get him.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Good on you there we go. That's rural news for you.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Sport were the half go Kiwi to the bone since
nineteen oh four.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Well one team is going to strike good fortune and
next year's Super Rugby Pacific Finals, the eleventeen team competition
now minus the Melbourne Rebels, will use a sixteen playoff format.
The top seed will play the sixth seed second play
the fifth third will play fourth. The highest ranked loser
from week one will advance.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's almost two bytes at the Cherry and Kiwi Boxer
David Nika will take a weight advantage into tomorrow's cruiserweight
fight and Auckland. Nika registered ninety point five to five
kilos while American Tommy Copenski Capenzi sorry stopped the scales
(27:26):
at eighty eighty six point ninety five, So quite a
weight advantage for David Niker. There, don't you reckon He's
he's very very pretty for a I mean he's a
great athlete, but he's very pretty for a boxer, isn't
he he is?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Actually, I mean I used to box, and I can
tell you that over time, you don't look that great.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, I don't want to comment on your looks, Michelle,
that would be that's why.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
My nose is crocket.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I wasn't very good at it.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, but I mean he's like he's taken a lot
on his life, but he still looks a million bucks.
And you know he's he's well worth watching. Looking forward
to that one. Up next we are going to head
to Australia. We missed him yesterday. We always get our
man here on the country. Sydney based Denius din Dinior.
(28:12):
I'm having a deenior moment, a senior moment, senior dairy
analyst as our live Cadillac sport baggot and what's the
prospects of a nine dollar milk price? Michael Harvey and
Barry Soper to round out the country. We couldn't track
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him down yesterday, but we always get our man here
on the country. His name is Michael Harvey, Rabo Research,
Senior dairy analyst. Michael, I was reading a report that
you authored about the future or lack of for live cattle,
namely live dairy here for exports and to China from
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Australia and New Zealand. Even if we revived this trade
here in New Zealand, will we have a market?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (29:18):
Thanks Sammy. It's a good question and certainly that common
thread around a lot happening in the China dairy market,
which has ripple effects for everything to do with dairy
when you're thinking about it from a global perspective, and
the background is important. I mean, this has been a
lucrative market for Australia and New Zealand farmers over the
last few years, not less so for New Zealand because
the band's been in place for a little while now.
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But in twenty twenty two we saw record volumes of
heifers going out of Australia and New Zealand into China,
close to two hundred thousand cows and that was a
fifty to fifty sort of split in terms of market
share and paying good prices. So it has been a
really lucrative market. It's provided income diversification. But clearly there's
a bit happening in the China market right We're seeing
it clearly rapid slow down in the number of heifers
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they're buying out of this part of the world, one
because they can't get them out of New Zealand, but
two they're not actually needing that many in their home market.
But what we are cautioning around, you know, clearly there's
a lot happening in China to rebalance their internal market
and that that's going to put them on a better
path to move forward. But it becomes a question around
once they are rebalanced, will we see another wave of
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farm expansion like we've seen in the past, and will
that require the amount of heifers out of this part
of the world. And we're a little bit uncertain around
that because clearly there's a lot happening in terms of
farm sector consolidation in China, but also we need to
see the rebalance in China actually fully come through before
we actually start to get more confidence around them being
in a position to build herds.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Again, if you were a betting man, Michael Harvey, do
you think New Zealand will reinstate live catalytic sports.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
Oh, look, it's probably not for me to come in.
I mean, clearly it is a very is got a
live issue, and then there's obviously been a change in
government's considering around it. I mean, our messaging would be
if it was to change in terms of government policy,
it's clearly going to take a little while to reenact
the trade flow. But then it becomes a question, well,
is the actually going to be that much of a
market there anyway, because if there are other markets out
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there that buy hefers out of this part of the world,
particularly in Southeast Asia, if they saw some cattle from Australia,
but there's there's not another China out there. You know,
at the peak of the market that was all of
the cattle going out of New Zealand went to China
and eighty to ninety percent from Australia goes into the
China market. So unless China's there, there's not going to
be a market anyway. And that's that's the reality around
where things are asked.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You're Rabobank's dairy expert or one of them, along with
Emma Higgins her on this side of the tazzy you
on the other side. What chance have we got of
a nine dollars milk price for this season twenty four
to twenty five.
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Yeah, I think there's course for optimism because we look
at the fundamentals and we can see everything heading in
the right direction for further upside in commodity markets, but
we do you need to be realistic around the state
of the funda mentals right now. So we did this
recently with our most recent update on the twelve month
outlooks for commodity markets. I mean, we can clearly see
that there's still not a lot of supply growth in
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the export regions around the world. But if you look
over the next World months, we are likely to see
a return to growth across most of the export engine.
So all of a sudden you then have to realize, okay,
we have got a little bit more milk hitting the
system in the next World months, we've got to deal with.
The critical one is always the rebalance in China. That's
the common threat here with a lot of export outlook
is that you know, everything that we want to see
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in terms of the rebalance in China, all the triggers
have been pulled, but it's taking a little bit of time.
So milk supply in China is slowing down, and that
we are seeing signs of herd reduction and coloring of
cows to try and slow that supply story enough. The
demand story is still quite sluggish but heading in the
right direction, but again we'd like to see that moving
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quicker than that. So that's the China story. And then
just broadly outside of China, demand for dairy and a
lot of markets is still quite sluggish as well because
consumers are under pre But things will get better, you know,
the rate of dairy inflation is clearly moderating, and we
are seeing deflation in certain parts. Consumers are going to
be in a better position over the next twelve months
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because interest rate cycles. You know, we've passed the peaking
a lot of economy, so there's some brighter times ahead.
But it's about timing right. So we can certainly see
some upside to come, but just cautious around how soft
some of the fundamentals are right now.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Michael Harvey from Rabobank, we missed you yesterday, but I'll
tell you what it was worth the day's wait just
to get this wonderful and insightful look at the future
of daring and live cattle export from you on today's show.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Go well, thank you, thanks having me.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Thanks Michael. It is nine are away from one the Country,
brought to you by Brand After the break, barr is
sober on Donald and Darlene wrapping the Country with Barry Soper.
(34:05):
But just before we do, and we message from our
friends at Farmstrong. We all know farming can be an
isolating job at times, especially at this time of the
year when you're out battling twelve or fourteen hours a
day lambing and carving. That's why it's important to connect
with mates regularly and share the ups and downs of
the week. A quick catch up over a bear. I
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recommend the pub on a Friday night, Seriously, even if
you're not a drinker, just go there and have a soda,
water or a coffee and discuss the week. A quick
catch up over a bear or a coffee is a
great way to boost your mood and relieve stress and pressure.
And I'll tell you what from experience, you go to
the pub, you're having a tough time, and some other
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poor buggers had an equally tough time. And it's human nature.
You actually feel better about things, rightly or wrongly. Barry
Soper wraps the country for us. I'll get rid of
the mockers. Barry. How entertaining was that presidential to And
I read your review in the Herald? Are you declared
Karmela to be the winner? But I think Trump is
one liner about the cats and the dogs? Was well
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that that will go down in history.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Good afternoon, Jamie. Yeah, I mean, he'd evers believe it
rains cats and dogs. You know, it's ridiculous. I couldn't
believe it when he said it. Neither could she, and
of course Springfield that it was news to them. Of course,
the media have now got a new interest in that
place with the population of under sixty thousand, so he
put them on the mat. But the thing is, I
(35:34):
think Donald Trump sets out deliberately to say the most
provocative thing he can, and suddenly you've got the news
centering on that other than the real issues. And you
know an exponent of that in this country, dere I
say it as our old mate Winston Peters. I mean,
when he referred to Nazis in his State of the
Nation speech, what did the media concentrate on Nazi and
(35:57):
the comment? So Donald Trump is playing the public and
I don't think it'll do him any harm with his constituency.
But really, is it the sort of person that you
want to lead or be the most powerful person in
the world allegedly, I would think the world's going to
be worried about putting Donald Trump in control again.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Not to mention the poor old Haitians who are who
claimed for eating the cats and dogs. The other one
that's and she annoys me, there's no other word for it.
I'm right with Chloe Darlene Tana. That woman has a
hide like a rhinoceros. If any normal person would just
get out of there.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, exactly, And what it clearly shows Jamie is that
money is more important than you know, anything else to her.
And that's a great pity because really there's no argument,
and it'll come to this in the end. I'll guarantee
it about the proportionality in parliament and how she's upset it.
People went out and voted Kreen not to put Darli
(37:00):
in Karna in particular into parliament, but to give them
the representation that they won at the election in terms
of percentage, and she's upset that. So I think the
Greens will have no alternatives once this charade is through,
and that could take another week while the judge a
few reviews what's been said in court. Then they'll ignite
(37:23):
the walker jumping legislation and you will have heard the
last of darn darny Tana and I say farewell.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
God speed Well, you're too generous. I'd just say good riddance, thanks, bas,
you have a great weekend, Thanks for the time.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Cheers, Jamie.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
There we go, Barrysober wrapping the week, and Politics didn't
even get time to mention Wiley Old Winston pulling one
over the over Nikola willis really no cuts to the
Ministry of Foreign affairs right, that's us done and us
that it's been a good week. I hope the weather
gets better where you are and go the Stags tonight
against Canterbury at Rugby Park and and theicargo Ethandergroop's playing
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Stags twelve and under. You heard it first here.
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One Black Friday?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Get a New Zealand and welcome to thee brought to
you by Brant on a Black Friday. Going to kick
off the show with Chris Brandolino. Nie was where the
guy turned the tap off in the Deep South and
send it further north. That's the message we're getting. Today's
Farmer panel Emma Paul and Tim Danjin, two of New
Zealand's most high profile young farmers. In fact, they were
(01:21):
the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three Young Farmers
of the Year respectively. Really looking forward to catching up
with Bill Osborne, one of my all black heroes. When
I was at high school, we all wanted to be
like Bill Osborne. And Bruce Robertson. He is former stock agent,
former All Blacks legend, former president of nz ARE, former
(01:42):
corporate high flyer, going to talk a wee bit about
Heartland rugby and what he's doing him and his son,
I think are doing to supply the food banks with
wild court venison. They turn it into mints and give
it to the food banks. Michael Harvey missed him yesterday
out of Sydney, Rabobank's senior dairy guy on the uncertain
future for the New Zealand Live catilec sport trade and
(02:04):
the prospects of a nine dollars price. Verry Soper ponders,
Donald Darlene and another one for Wiley Old Winston. All
that is on the show today.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Me were Weather Update with Alenko, Trusted Animal Health Solutions.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Chris Brendelino. Are you suspicious? Do you worry about black
Friday's good afternoon?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I can be suspicious, but you know, Friday the thirteenth,
I don't. I don't get up, you know, up in
arms over it.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
No, nah either Do I think I was born on
one of them? Actually that might explain that, Well, that
might explain a few things. I've got to go back.
I've got to go back a few years to figure
out if I was. Look, it's been a bit of
a black Friday. In fact, it's been a bit of
a black wake for my farming mates down south because
they won't turn the tap off. They tell me that
they're going to look at rice as an alternative to
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sheep farming and and deairy farming. At the moments, they
just can't get a break. And we know that further
up the South Island anyhow, North Canterbury, North Canterbury is
still looking for rain. Can you move some of it
up the country?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Boy? I wish I could, Jamie, I really do. And
I'm just looking at you know, it's it's the thirteenth
as we know, of September, so they're not quite halfway through.
So I'm just looking at how things have tracked so far,
you know, from a you know, just to kind of
add some some color to what you said about the
rainfall and the four areas of many areas of Southland,
(03:46):
particularly central and western Southland, even interior Otago, certainly the
lower west coast of the South Island. Rainfall has been
two hundred percent of normal so far this month. So
it's certainly you have a number is certainly back it
up for sure. And to your point, the dryness is
an issue, continues to be an issue across eastern and
(04:06):
northeastern parts of the South Island, with many areas less
than half or about half or less anyway of what
is normal, and it's been really dry for the North
found I should say, so far this month we've had
many areas less than twenty percent of normal when it
comes to monthly rainfall, again, we're only about two weeks
into the month, but we are going to get more rain,
(04:26):
some needed rank for the North Island this weekend, particularly
Tomorrow and Saturday.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Okay, do we get a break for the South.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
We do, It's not going to be an extended breaks.
They're going to be basically a breaks from the norm.
So one break will be tomorrow, so that'll be good news.
Tomorrow should be pretty decent day overall for pretty much
the entire South Island. Then as we look ahead to Sunday, unfortunately,
we're going to see another round of rain and that
will probably favor I would say Sunday western and lower
(04:56):
areas of the South Island, as has usually been the
and that rain will move North, so we get a
good drop of rain for northern parts of the South Island.
It looks like Monday, and that rain does move into
the North Island Monday afternoon as well. Tuesday is going
to be a god awful day weatherwise. It'll feel like
mid winter. So people you know, in the capping and
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the landing's still going on, particularly in the South Island.
That's something to watch. I know we're dealing with the
snow and cold weather now, but there may be more
to come, particularly the cold squally showers, maybe some thunderstorms
with hail wind, cold temperatures on Tuesday, and it does
get better on Wednesday, but the chill remains so unfortunately,
the next week is not looking as a whole great.
(05:40):
There will be the odd day or two where things
are you know, palatable. From a weather perspective, I do
think we'll have to wait till October, maybe very late
this month, but more likely October to get some more
persistently settled and eventually very warm weather. Be careful what
you wish for, because as we're looking ahead into the
longer range, and I'm talking like basely October November, there
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are some pretty strong indications that we will see high
pressure become a pretty regular visitor to the country, not
the show, but our country during much of October. And
that'll come with warmth and dryness. So while it's been
wet and cool now, we may rapidly go to the
other side of the spectrum as we progress through the
(06:23):
month of October.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Okay, Chris, thank you very much for your contribution. As
always on a Friday, I really appreciate it. You have
a good weekend you too, Thank you, sir. Here we go, Yeah,
seeing some horrible pictures from down south. There's nothing worse.
There's nothing worse because I've been a past life. I
was a sheep farmer, and there's nothing worse than landing
(06:47):
or carving for that matter. An awful weather and you
don't mind a day or two of it. You just
you know, you know it's Ethan gets through it. But
when it's endless, endless, endless, it does where you done.
Good luck to all you farmers out there battling away.
Good on you. I admire you. Right, we're going to
take a break on the other side of it to
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young farmers, I think where there's not an issue for them.
We'll find out in a minute, so we're heading to
the North Island. Emma Paul twenty twenty three Young Farmer
of the Year FMG Young Farmer of the Year, Wakato
dairy farmer, mum of two and a vet. How does
she squeeze all that into a day? And her brother,
older brother Tim Dangel twenty twenty two Young Farmer of
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the Year. And he is really into encouraging our best
and brightest young minds to choose agriculture and the primary
sector for an occupation. We'll see what he's going to
do about it up after the break before the end
of the hour. Looking forward to catching up with Bill Osborne.
He was a great him and Bruce Robinson one of
(07:52):
the finest midfield combinations. Michael Harvey out of Sydney and
Barry Soper On Donald and Darlene.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The farmer panel with the Kawasaki Mule one thousand side
by sides built for demanding days.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, it's the Dangon's own panel. Emma Paul twenty twenty
three Young Farmer of the Year, Her older brother Tim
Dangen twenty twenty two FMG Young Farmer of the Year. Tim,
I might start with you because I know that you're
not only a beef farmer in west Auckland, you're also
a big fan of education, agri education and our schools.
(08:53):
And to that end, I think you're asking for one
point five million dollars to deliver thirty trained egg and
hort teachers for our schooling system. How are you going
on that one.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah, Jamie, good to be here as always in congratulations
on last week. I'm sure it's a big week for you.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
So we're after one point five miles spread over three
years pretty well to deliver hopefully thirty trained egg hart
teachers which will on average teach around eighty students a year,
and hopefully we can convert thirty five percent into the sector,
which would result in about seven hundred and fifty young
people coming towards the industry per year. And it's just
something that's sort of stemmed off the back of the
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Zenda McDonald reward and us wanting to improve the amount
of young people coming into the industry to try and
reach the goal of doubling export in the next ten years,
as well as allowing some of our young people to
capitalize on the awesome opportunities that are out there within
the primary sector.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So should the government be funding this or should the
industry be funding it? Would this be a good investment
for the likes of Beef and Lamb New Zealand deiry
en Z.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Yeah, I would have thought so, but they don't seem
too much of an appetite for it at the moment.
I see darien Z have just pulled out of most
of their educational programs, which I think is a little
bit short sighted. It's I know, it's tough because you
know money's money is short everywhere and particularly on farm
so they're obviously looking to prioritize their funds into other directions.
But I think most importantly we want clear direction and
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investment from central government anyway we want we want them
to be putting out positive signals to the wider public
that this is the sector of choice, it's the sector
that delivers for the nation, and we want to be
pushing as many young people towards it as possible.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Well, I'm glad you two ended up going in that direction,
because you're leading the charge for the next generation. Emma
Paul as I said last year's Young Farmer of the Year.
How's the dairy season treating you in the way Cato region.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
Well, things are actually looking a bit more positive, Jamie.
Good afternoon, and it's good to be here. But it's
nice to see you know. I'm looking out across the
farm at the moment. We've had some really good weather.
We've got an eight in front of the payout. Hopefully
that moves to a nine. Palm Kennel's got a two
in front of it for the first time in three
or four years. So there's actually room to have a
cracking season here if we could just get those interest
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rates to shift a bit, which I think you've talked
about a lot this week. But yeah, there's a lot
of things to be grateful for. Suddainly in the North Island.
That the way Ketto region at the moment, and hopefully
those South Islanders can get a bit of a reprieve
from the weather in follow suit.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, well the rice paddies, Japan's short of rice. I
think they could send some from south and they've got
enough water down there to grow it at the moment. Emma,
you want to talk about GMO feeds and whether it
suits the animals eating it or the humans planting it.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, it's just food for thought, Jamieen, I have been thinking.
And I'm not as dangerous as Jane Smith when I
get thinking, but I've been looking out across our farm
and we've got a lot of petics of heavily renovated pastures.
We've been planting lots of the new premial rye grasses
and the likes, and it's got me thinking, you know,
whether or not these crasses are actually designed for the
animals eating it. And I think think as farmers, we've
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been at fault for you know, asking agronomists to produce
grass seeds that grow as much in higher quantity as possible.
But these grasses, you know, especially when we come to
these spring seasons, they grow rapidly, but they also pass
rapidly through the cow, and it doesn't give the cow
the opportunity to absorb all of those nutrients that she
needs to do all of the things that she needs
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to do in particularly getting in calf at this time
of the year. And for me, raises the question with
GMO that if we open up the gates to that
and allow that, and will we be designing grasses for
the cows to eat or will they be grasses that
you know, appease us as humans planting them and thinking,
you know, in terms of methane reduction, if we are
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planting grasses that are designed to reduce methane with these cows,
will they have negative effects on the animals downstream? And
I'm talking things like subclinical rumin acidosis and laminitis and
those sorts of things. So a big thought to their Jamie,
But it's been tickling my brain.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Well, it's far too challenging for my brain. You sounded
like a vet there for a moment, and of course
you are a vets are getting Are you doing any
off farm work at the moment or you just flat
out carving.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
We've been pretty flat out with our own farm. We've
got the autumn heard so pregnancy scanning and dehorning calves
and you know, and the likes and seedars going in
and that sort of thing. So I guess that's where
that where I've been ruminating on all of those thoughts
that I think that some of the oldest school grasses
that we had produced would actually negate a lot of
these issues that we do see on farm at this
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time of the year with the year reproduction and cows.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And the likes vet shortage. I was reading about that
recently online. That's not going away, in fact could I
was really surprised Emma a number of years ago talking
to a rural vet about how little they I don't
know whether it's changed how little they got paid after
six or seven years at Massa University almost effectively the
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same qualifications as a doctor.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Yes, not quite a doctor, a doctor of animals, I guess,
But yeah, it's the pay is not fantastic for I
guess the type of work that you had to do
in the after hours is the real crux for vets
that it does really, you know, affect their personal life
because you've got a you know, every couple of weekends,
hold a phone on call and and you can't start
any jobs around the house or anything like that you
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might get called out. So yep, that's also contributing to
the vet shortage. And yeah, a bit of pay would help.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
A long way.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
But of course they need farmers spending money and other
clients spending money at the vet clinics to return that
to the vet's pocket to keep the cycle going around.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I guess, okay, just to finish on Tim Danjin, pay
won't be an issue for you. You're a beef farmer
at mirror I you'll be coining it at the.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Moment, only to pay it all to the bank, Jamie.
But yeah, we are having a good season really. It's
nice to see some of those costs on the creek
back a little bit as well in terms of our
car thiring operation, and so yeah, I think that things
are looking pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Really.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
We just need into try to sit her down and
it will be good.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
All right.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
We've got something busy happening in the background that might
be a signal to bid you too. Farewell, Tim Dangent,
Emma Paul. Always good to catch up with you as
our farming panel on a Friday.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
Brilliant Jamie, enjoy your Friday, a good week.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
And thanks guys. Farming's in good hands, isn't it with
people like that? Running the Cutter twenty five after twelve
year with the Country, brought to you by Brandt some
of your feedback. Bevan Bevan, Bevan Bevan, I know Bevan.
He's his second name. As what is there any relation
(15:36):
to you, Michelle, No relation that I know of.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Actually, Bevan's an old mate of mine from Southland days.
He was on the Ravens down board. At one stage
he's admonishing me, telling me off for bad grammar. You're
not the first one to do that, Bevan, and you
won't be the last. What did I get wrong? He said,
it's not him and the other fellow, it's he and
the other person. You might be right, Bevan, but him
(16:02):
and the other bloke or the other fellow sounds better
to me. This is a farming show, broken down Southland
sheep farmer with the starter. You can't expect the world.
This is not Mike Hosking or John Campbell, thankfully for
the latter. This is a show for farmers and rural
folk and we've got lots of town he's listening as well,
(16:23):
and we do really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
We're going to take a break on the other side
of it. When I was living down in Southland, when
I went I went to high school, boarding school down there,
and one of my real heroes was Bruce Robertson. Unfortunately
he's passed away. One of my other real heroes and
we all wanted to be like him at high school
was Bill Osbourne and we're going to speak to him next.
(16:46):
Doing some really interesting things around supplying food banks before
the end of the hour. Michael Harvey out of Sydney
from rabobank prospects of a nine dollar milk price and
Barry Soper on Donald Darline. What an entertaining week it's Spain.
It's not only been raining cats and dogs in Southland,
(17:08):
they've been eating them in Springfield. Up next to Bill Osborne.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Heartland Rugby coverage with agricultural consulting Services delivering the latest
GPS mapping and drone technology.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
We love Heartland Rugby here on the country and it's
great to catch up with your all black heroes. One
of mine in the seventies and eighties was Bill Osborne
for my money, along with Bruce Robertson, arguably our finest
ever midfield pairing.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Bill.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Great to have you on the country. I know you're
right behind Heartland Rugby. In fact, the Bill Osborne Tanga
is up for grabs for the best team in Heartland
Rugby and your Wanganui team owns it at the moment.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Good afternoon, yeah mate, yeh. Look on between two places
because you know two of the Heartland teams in the
Chiefs region have been battling it out over the last
couple of weeks, but wangan he's gone and taken it
home for us, So kind of hard for me for
being both camps.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Well, Wanganui beat Thames Valley sixteen fourteen, and I know
my offside are Awena Duncan's very pleased about this as well,
despite I read being down to fourteen men for the
third time in the match. So you did it the
hard way?
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Yeah, they look. I wasn't there, but I heard that
the guy's courageous defense for the last fifteen to twenty
minutes of the game is what won up with them.
And you know, in the old days when JJ Stuet
was coaching, he always said that defense was the best
form of attack and most games were won by a
better defense rather than an attack. Well he still holds
true today and Heartland Rugby absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I'm going to ask you a question which I know
the answer to, but i'll just get your view on it.
You made the All Blacks playing out of Wanganui, Andy Jefford,
I think made the All Blacks playing out of poverty
Bay East Coast. You just can't do that anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
No, Well, there's different tiers now and it's a big,
big big gap between Heartland rugby and even Super rugby,
let alone All Black rugby. So you know, the game's
come a long way and the professionalism's taken it to
heights that we couldn't have imagined.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Nowaday, you are a former president of n Z Rugby.
Matt Cooper's got the job. Now are you officially still
involved with rugby?
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Well, I am to the extent that I'm Chair of
the Chiefs, and I contribute to the interests of rugby
over a wider arch of interest.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I'm right and saying you've got a pretty well, I
know you've got a very good rural connection. You started out,
of course, you started out from Wanganui. You were a
stock agent. That was back in the days when you
had to work and being all black at the same time.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, they were great memories made. It's that connection
to the heartland that really kept me anchored and business
and later part of my life, you know, because I
can remember so clearly walking around farms talking to farmers,
salt of the youth, people you know that had common
sense like you couldn't imagine today, and they grounded you
(20:13):
and they made you think about what New Zealand was
about how did you make.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
The transition from being a stock agent to like a
corporate high flyer.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Well, I went and got myself educated properly at a
university and got a master's degree, and that sort of
catapulted me forward and industry.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Really, So, when you're a young guy, did you basically
just leave school become a stock agent with a view
to being an all black?
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Well, yeah, it was that. Rugby was my life, right,
so I took up roles that enabled me to pursue
that interest in training and physical activity, in particular playing
rugby and being an agent was good for that because
you know, you're out running around the hills and sort
and stock everywhere and moving constantly, and you had time
to train.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Talk to me about the hunt for good trust, Now
this is something I think you and your son have
set up going out capturing deer or shooting deer. Can
I say that anymore? In large scale bill and to
make into mints for food banks. This is a wonderful initiative.
How did it come about?
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Well, look, it came about with my son hunting in
the Heartland Womanu area and noticing helicopters culling deer on
the neighboring property, which is Ardiha and Corporation then, which
I'm a shareholder of, and of course I've come from
Adiho anyway. So when he saw that, he said, Dad,
we've got to do something about that. That's coming to waste.
It's efficient, but there's a lot of hungry people around.
(21:40):
We've got to do something about that. So we set
up this trust and now we do it by scale.
We did our pilot last weekend. We brought out thirty
five deer from Saturday's expedition and it's all going into
mince as we speak, and we'll be sort of reach
to food banks later on today.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Absolutely wonderful. While I've got you, it would be remiss
of me if I didn't ask you how you think
the All Blacks are going. Do you like a midfield
combination as Jordi and Ricca you Aannie the right ones?
Or are you like me maybe think Rica Juannie is
a better wing than the center.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Well, now, look, I think we've got the right players,
and I think we're just going through a phase we
were rebuilding after losing some experience. Yeah, I think we've
got the right coaching team, We've got the right players.
We'll get through this transition and we'll be right back
up there. Remember South Africa is the best team in
the world and they've got the top players in the
world who are getting experience all I think the world
(22:34):
at the moment. But when they come back together, they've
got cohesion at the moment. Now, when those players turn over,
that cohesion will dissipate and we'll be right there as
we grow our team into the new era of football.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Has there ever been a better center than Bruce Robertson.
I think I know your answer here too, mate, not
that I know.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
Of, mate, and I'm biased of course, because he helped
me so much and he delivered our ability to play
together and make a difference. You know, Bill.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Osborne, It's been an absolute pleasure catching up with you again.
We must keep in touch and good well done on
your adventure hunt for good trust, filling those food banks
with venison mince from the hills. Always a pleasure to
catch up on the country and go Heartland Rugby and
I guess Mid Canterbury in for a bit of a hiding,
are they, Bill?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Well?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Look the real tests. In twenty first of September, when
wanting who defend the town at home and I'll be there, mate,
I'll be there, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Good on you.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Thanks for your time. Thank you Bill, what a pleasure
it is chatting to him right here. We're going to
take a break. On the other side of it. We're
not quite all blacks, well it is really, it's our
all Blacks dog trial team. Michelle's got the latest on
the whaler Go Cup which is getting underway across the
Tasman today or tomorrow. We'll update that one for you.
(23:53):
I'll have sports news before the end of the hour.
Is our live animal export trade dead even if we
reinstate it? And what's the prospects? So what's the chances
for a nine dollar milk price? And Barry sober on
Donald and Darlene. It's been a wonderful week in politics.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
One Black Friday, Welcome back to the country.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
The easy beats Friday on my mind. Michelle, here's here's this.
I'm going to fill a wee knowledge gap for you.
This you know how don't Dream It's over was voted
or no, actually it wasn't. Nature My formula was voted
as our best pop song ever. Yeah you knew that,
and you probably knew that Don't Dream It's over by
(24:50):
Crowded House was number two. This song Friday on My
Mind by the Easy Beats was voted as Australia's greatest
ever pop song.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Oh there you go, Fielder, I feel like I've Lawrence
some and grammar knowledge with you today.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Well you have. That happens every day in here talking
about Australia. We're going there in Rural News.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The Countries, World News with Cold Canet, New Zealand's leading
right on lawn Bower brand visit steel Ford dot co
dot Nz for your local stockist.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
And Michelle we've got the whaler Go Cup. It's like
the test match for the dog trialists.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
That's absolutely right. So that's happening as of today over
in Australia. I've been texting actually the guy who's in
charge of the team and also one of the judges,
Pat Cougan. So hopefully we'll have Ben Miller on the
show on Monday to chat about their experience over there.
But and the team for the cut which actually I
think this first test is this afternoon, second ones tomorrow
and the last ones on Sunday. We've got Stuart Child
(25:44):
with Diesel Leo Edgington with Roxy, Scott Hunter with Lucy
and Ben Miller with King who will all be competing
in that testy and good.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Luck to the All black Dog trialists and it would
be well, we need to mention the late Neil Evans
tragically lost in July. He was the captain of the
All black Dog trialing team when they won at Ashburton.
When was that in about October? I think of last year,
so I'm sure they'll be doing it for Neil. Have
(26:14):
we got anything else in rural news?
Speaker 7 (26:16):
No, just to put a sign, I've been actually watching
the sheep dog trials live on Facebook, so it's on
the Victorian Working Sheep Dog Association page if you did
want to go and watch those test live streams. It's
quite cool acually.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
And hopefully Ben Miller right on Monday Show.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Hopefully Ben Miller so fingers cross we get him.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Good on you there we go. That's rural news for you.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Sport were the half go Kiwi to the bone since
nineteen oh four.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Well one team is going to strike good fortune and
next year's Super Rugby Pacific Finals, the eleventeen team competition
now minus the Melbourne Rebels, will use a sixteen playoff format.
The top seed will play the sixth seed second play
the fifth third will play fourth. The highest ranked loser
from week one will advance.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's almost two bytes at the Cherry and Kiwi Boxer
David Nika will take a weight advantage into tomorrow's cruiserweight
fight and Auckland. Nika registered ninety point five to five
kilos while American Tommy Copenski Capenzi sorry stopped the scales
(27:26):
at eighty eighty six point ninety five, So quite a
weight advantage for David Niker. There, don't you reckon He's
he's very very pretty for a I mean he's a
great athlete, but he's very pretty for a boxer, isn't
he he is?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Actually, I mean I used to box, and I can
tell you that over time, you don't look that great.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, I don't want to comment on your looks, Michelle,
that would be that's why.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
My nose is crocket.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I wasn't very good at it.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, but I mean he's like he's taken a lot
on his life, but he still looks a million bucks.
And you know he's he's well worth watching. Looking forward
to that one. Up next we are going to head
to Australia. We missed him yesterday. We always get our
man here on the country. Sydney based Denius din Dinior.
(28:12):
I'm having a deenior moment, a senior moment, senior dairy
analyst as our live Cadillac sport baggot and what's the
prospects of a nine dollar milk price? Michael Harvey and
Barry Soper to round out the country. We couldn't track
(28:50):
him down yesterday, but we always get our man here
on the country. His name is Michael Harvey, Rabo Research,
Senior dairy analyst. Michael, I was reading a report that
you authored about the future or lack of for live cattle,
namely live dairy here for exports and to China from
(29:10):
Australia and New Zealand. Even if we revived this trade
here in New Zealand, will we have a market?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (29:18):
Thanks Sammy. It's a good question and certainly that common
thread around a lot happening in the China dairy market,
which has ripple effects for everything to do with dairy
when you're thinking about it from a global perspective, and
the background is important. I mean, this has been a
lucrative market for Australia and New Zealand farmers over the
last few years, not less so for New Zealand because
the band's been in place for a little while now.
(29:39):
But in twenty twenty two we saw record volumes of
heifers going out of Australia and New Zealand into China,
close to two hundred thousand cows and that was a
fifty to fifty sort of split in terms of market
share and paying good prices. So it has been a
really lucrative market. It's provided income diversification. But clearly there's
a bit happening in the China market right We're seeing
it clearly rapid slow down in the number of heifers
(30:02):
they're buying out of this part of the world, one
because they can't get them out of New Zealand, but
two they're not actually needing that many in their home market.
But what we are cautioning around, you know, clearly there's
a lot happening in China to rebalance their internal market
and that that's going to put them on a better
path to move forward. But it becomes a question around
once they are rebalanced, will we see another wave of
(30:23):
farm expansion like we've seen in the past, and will
that require the amount of heifers out of this part
of the world. And we're a little bit uncertain around
that because clearly there's a lot happening in terms of
farm sector consolidation in China, but also we need to
see the rebalance in China actually fully come through before
we actually start to get more confidence around them being
in a position to build herds.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Again, if you were a betting man, Michael Harvey, do
you think New Zealand will reinstate live catalytic sports.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
Oh, look, it's probably not for me to come in.
I mean, clearly it is a very is got a
live issue, and then there's obviously been a change in
government's considering around it. I mean, our messaging would be
if it was to change in terms of government policy,
it's clearly going to take a little while to reenact
the trade flow. But then it becomes a question, well,
is the actually going to be that much of a
market there anyway, because if there are other markets out
(31:13):
there that buy hefers out of this part of the world,
particularly in Southeast Asia, if they saw some cattle from Australia,
but there's there's not another China out there. You know,
at the peak of the market that was all of
the cattle going out of New Zealand went to China
and eighty to ninety percent from Australia goes into the
China market. So unless China's there, there's not going to
be a market anyway. And that's that's the reality around
where things are asked.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You're Rabobank's dairy expert or one of them, along with
Emma Higgins her on this side of the tazzy you
on the other side. What chance have we got of
a nine dollars milk price for this season twenty four
to twenty five.
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Yeah, I think there's course for optimism because we look
at the fundamentals and we can see everything heading in
the right direction for further upside in commodity markets, but
we do you need to be realistic around the state
of the funda mentals right now. So we did this
recently with our most recent update on the twelve month
outlooks for commodity markets. I mean, we can clearly see
that there's still not a lot of supply growth in
(32:09):
the export regions around the world. But if you look
over the next World months, we are likely to see
a return to growth across most of the export engine.
So all of a sudden you then have to realize, okay,
we have got a little bit more milk hitting the
system in the next World months, we've got to deal with.
The critical one is always the rebalance in China. That's
the common threat here with a lot of export outlook
is that you know, everything that we want to see
(32:29):
in terms of the rebalance in China, all the triggers
have been pulled, but it's taking a little bit of time.
So milk supply in China is slowing down, and that
we are seeing signs of herd reduction and coloring of
cows to try and slow that supply story enough. The
demand story is still quite sluggish but heading in the
right direction, but again we'd like to see that moving
(32:49):
quicker than that. So that's the China story. And then
just broadly outside of China, demand for dairy and a
lot of markets is still quite sluggish as well because
consumers are under pre But things will get better, you know,
the rate of dairy inflation is clearly moderating, and we
are seeing deflation in certain parts. Consumers are going to
be in a better position over the next twelve months
(33:09):
because interest rate cycles. You know, we've passed the peaking
a lot of economy, so there's some brighter times ahead.
But it's about timing right. So we can certainly see
some upside to come, but just cautious around how soft
some of the fundamentals are right now.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Michael Harvey from Rabobank, we missed you yesterday, but I'll
tell you what it was worth the day's wait just
to get this wonderful and insightful look at the future
of daring and live cattle export from you on today's show.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Go well, thank you, thanks having me.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Thanks Michael. It is nine are away from one the Country,
brought to you by Brand After the break, barr is
sober on Donald and Darlene wrapping the Country with Barry Soper.
(34:05):
But just before we do, and we message from our
friends at Farmstrong. We all know farming can be an
isolating job at times, especially at this time of the
year when you're out battling twelve or fourteen hours a
day lambing and carving. That's why it's important to connect
with mates regularly and share the ups and downs of
the week. A quick catch up over a bear. I
(34:26):
recommend the pub on a Friday night, Seriously, even if
you're not a drinker, just go there and have a soda,
water or a coffee and discuss the week. A quick
catch up over a bear or a coffee is a
great way to boost your mood and relieve stress and pressure.
And I'll tell you what from experience, you go to
the pub, you're having a tough time, and some other
(34:47):
poor buggers had an equally tough time. And it's human nature.
You actually feel better about things, rightly or wrongly. Barry
Soper wraps the country for us. I'll get rid of
the mockers. Barry. How entertaining was that presidential to And
I read your review in the Herald? Are you declared
Karmela to be the winner? But I think Trump is
one liner about the cats and the dogs? Was well
(35:09):
that that will go down in history.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Good afternoon, Jamie. Yeah, I mean, he'd evers believe it
rains cats and dogs. You know, it's ridiculous. I couldn't
believe it when he said it. Neither could she, and
of course Springfield that it was news to them. Of course,
the media have now got a new interest in that
place with the population of under sixty thousand, so he
put them on the mat. But the thing is, I
(35:34):
think Donald Trump sets out deliberately to say the most
provocative thing he can, and suddenly you've got the news
centering on that other than the real issues. And you
know an exponent of that in this country, dere I
say it as our old mate Winston Peters. I mean,
when he referred to Nazis in his State of the
Nation speech, what did the media concentrate on Nazi and
(35:57):
the comment? So Donald Trump is playing the public and
I don't think it'll do him any harm with his constituency.
But really, is it the sort of person that you
want to lead or be the most powerful person in
the world allegedly, I would think the world's going to
be worried about putting Donald Trump in control again.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Not to mention the poor old Haitians who are who
claimed for eating the cats and dogs. The other one
that's and she annoys me, there's no other word for it.
I'm right with Chloe Darlene Tana. That woman has a
hide like a rhinoceros. If any normal person would just
get out of there.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, exactly, And what it clearly shows Jamie is that
money is more important than you know, anything else to her.
And that's a great pity because really there's no argument,
and it'll come to this in the end. I'll guarantee
it about the proportionality in parliament and how she's upset it.
People went out and voted Kreen not to put Darli
(37:00):
in Karna in particular into parliament, but to give them
the representation that they won at the election in terms
of percentage, and she's upset that. So I think the
Greens will have no alternatives once this charade is through,
and that could take another week while the judge a
few reviews what's been said in court. Then they'll ignite
(37:23):
the walker jumping legislation and you will have heard the
last of darn darny Tana and I say farewell.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
God speed Well, you're too generous. I'd just say good riddance, thanks, bas,
you have a great weekend, Thanks for the time.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Cheers, Jamie.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
There we go, Barrysober wrapping the week, and Politics didn't
even get time to mention Wiley Old Winston pulling one
over the over Nikola willis really no cuts to the
Ministry of Foreign affairs right, that's us done and us
that it's been a good week. I hope the weather
gets better where you are and go the Stags tonight
against Canterbury at Rugby Park and and theicargo Ethandergroop's playing
(38:02):
Stags twelve and under. You heard it first here.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
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