September 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Chris Brandolino, Dr Elizabeth Heeg, Nigel Woodhead, Tim Dangen, Chris Russell, and Barry Soper.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay.
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Thanks to Brent.
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You're specialist in John Deere construction.
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To John, Get a New Zealand and well, my head's
sat down and wave it. Get a New Zealand. Welcome
to the Country. I am Jamie McKay. The show's brought
to you by Brent. One of my favorite nine to
eleven songs the Eagles Hole in the World. Tonight, I've
got a couple of Americans kicking off the show as
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fate would have it today, Chris Brandolino, our Earth Science
is in z Guy. I'm based in Dunedin. It's pretty
cold down here at them. Is it a colder than
average September? Let's ask him now. The other American is
doctor Elizabeth Haig. She is the chief executive of the
Forest Owners Association. She was quoted as saying earlier in
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the week that a few bad actors are giving the
sector a bad name around carbon farming. Today's Farmer Panel
Nigel Woodhead twenty seventeen Young Farmer of the Year and
Tim Dangjin twenty twenty two Young Farmer of the Year.
Ossie correspondent is Chris Russell. We missed him on yesterday's show.
We are going to get him today and if I
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can track him down, Big basis soaper to talk politics.
See what a messy place the world is. As we
reflect on nine to eleven, Charlie Kirk in the US
tragic and poor old Stewart Nash came to grief a
wee but this week as well, Ridio, let's kick it
off with Chris Brandolino from NIWA. What's your nine to
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eleven story?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Chris Ooh wow, Yeah, I was in my mid twenties
and upstate New York and I remember it well. It
was Yeah, it was something you just never forget where
you were when it happened. And I remember, and I was,
you know, I lived three hundred miles or three hundred
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and fifty miles from New York City where it happened.
But even for several years after, whenever I would hear
a low flying aircraft, it would just, uh, it would
just you know, it would trigger me. It would just
freak me out. Quick story. There was a guy by
the name of Mike Reese. He's a writer, he used
to be a writer. I'm not sure if he's still
writing for the Simpsons.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So my wife was in grad school earning her masters,
and you know, as a grad student, she you know,
she was teaching, so you know, you are an adult, but
she got cheaper tickets for events. So this guy, Mike
Reese from The Simpsons, he was speaking, had a speaking engagement.
So I loved the Simpsons. So she and I went
to hear his remarks and he tells the story about
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nine eleven, and the story tells he was given some
dur and all the cartoons that Fox had, such as
Came to the Hill if you remember, back in the
late nineties, and then there was Family Guy. So he
tells his story and how Seth McFarland, the creator of
Family Guy, was was basically missed his flight and he's
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in the lobby at the airport in I think in Boston,
and he's yelling at his manager, why why did it
get me on? Why am I not on that plane?
And he's watching the television in the plane he was
meant to be on I think was the second plane
that crashed into the Twin Towers. And Mike Reese would
always say like God must have loved Family Guy. Because
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the fact that he was late. He had a big
night partying. I think miss overslept, missed his plane and
as a consequence of that he he lived. He did not,
he didn't you know, he didn't get on that plane.
And he was the creator of Family Guy. So there
you go.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's not a bad none eleven story. Let's onto the
weather now. My perception I'm based on the Naden. I've
got farming interests down on Southland. It's pretty cold down
there at the moment, but nothing nothing unusual in September.
But you're telling me for a lot of the country
we're doing okay. In fact, we may be yeah an average.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Some places in the eastern part of the eastern part
of the South Island, eastern and parts of the North
Island have a warm link. But to your point, you're
you're on the right track. I did look at the
numbers and look, I would say a lot of the
countries on the cool side of average. So again it
doesn't have to be spot on to be average. Have
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to agree either side, right, have to agree warm, have
togree cool. If it's within there, we say good enough,
near average, and much of the country is on like point.
Three point four point five on the negative side, so
on the cool side of average. But there are some areas, Jamie.
It's to your point where on the western side of
the South Island it's been quite chili so far this spring.
That's going to come to an end. Looking at the guidance, Look,
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we're gonna have a cool chili we weekend, so okay,
we got that. But once we get through this weekend,
I think much of next week is going to have
a decidedly warm lean, maybe a bit of a cool
down Thursday Friday, but that'll just be for a half day,
maybe a day, and then another puff of warm air
comes from Aussie for the weekend, at least to start
next weekend. So I think over the next we'll call
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it seven to eight days, I would say the vast
majority of the next seven to eight days are going
to have a warm lean from Monday from Monday for
the country. So the next couple of days gonna be windy.
We got a big we'll get some rugby. This weekend
gonna be windy and Wellington shocker and kind of cool.
But generally speaking, I don't think we're gonna see lots
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in the way of cold temperatures. Once you get past
this weekend, it'll be a warm lean. There'll be a
lot of wind, that's for sure. So we're living up
to the spring reputation. Then, if you will rightly as.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You said, no surprise Wind and Wellington. We're expecting that
the warrior is the Wiles applying in Auckland. Are I
gonna have to play with the fundy tobit the panthers?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
No, Look, I think generally speaking this for the weekend,
there will be some showers tomorrow, I think tomorrow evening. Yeah,
there could be. Yeah, Look, there could be some showers.
I would expect at least a few showers. I'm not
sure if it will define the game in terms of
whether we will define the game in terms of whether tomorrow,
for Auckland anyway, will be a bit of a healthy
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breeze and if it's kind of rain, will be early
to the start of the of the other test.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay. Chris Braindolino from Earth Sciences and New Zealand first
of two Americans to kick off the show today. He's
a key with these days, of course. Up next, doctor
Elizabeth Higgs. She is the chief executive of the New
Zealand Forest Owners Association the Farmer Panel today both former
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winners of the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final,
Nigel Woodhead and Tim d Engine, Chris Russell a guy
and Assie and Barry Sober if I can find them.
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Doctor Elizabeth Higue is the chief executive of the Forest
Owners Association. Read a story yesterday about carbon farming being
a poison chalice piqued my interest. We're going to talk
about that, but Elizabeth, before we do, as soon as
you open your mouth, people are going to pick you
are an American. It is nine to eleven American time.
Where were you? What were you doing?
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Oh well, I was about to head into university back
when the attack happened, and glued to the telly for
a few minutes before we had to shoot off, and
then just this eerie silence for the next few days
where no planes were flying. But yeah, it is, it's
still a pretty somber occasion, and certainly, you know, with
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the increased levels of violence we're sitting now, it's all
it's all very.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Very sobering, very sad and sobering. You were quoted as
saying a few bad actors are giving the sector this
is the forestry sector a bad name and some foresters
are having rocks thrown at them. Explain to me what
you meant by that.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Well, when you look at the statistics around who's participating
in carbon markets, I think it's really important to note
that the majority of exotic forestry that's in the emissions
trading scheme can actually be harvested. So there's only six
percent of exotics in the ets that are in the
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permanent category. So the perception that there's a whole bunch
of carbon only forest out there and that when you're
driving around the countryside what you're seeing is all carbon
forest is not true. There's eighty three percent of the
current post eighty nine estate and mpi's most recent a
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forestation and deforestation Intentions report is meant to be harvested.
As you look at forestry broadly, actually, there's a lot
of timber foresters that have carbon as part of their
management portfolio and that are managing their forests effectively. So
this perception of that all the pine that people are
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seeing go in right now is somebody's just going to
walk away from that and leave it. There may be
a small percentage even of those carbon only foresters that
have told people that's how they're going to manage their forests.
But on the whole, a big proportion of what's going
in is timber forestry, and of that climate forestry, there's
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actually a whole bunch of the forests that have specific
management plans to eventually transition into native forests.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, I think it's great that the foresters can pick
up some carbon credits along the way. In fact, a
federated farm the saying, is this correct, seventy percent of
the revenue for harvested trees at the moment was coming
from carbon. Is it that high?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I think it's so. I wouldn't. It would depend on
your forest model. I think that's that's probably a broad generalization.
I think what the carbon income is doing right now
for folks that have timber and carbon is helping us
address margin compression where we're seeing and everybody's experiencing this.
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But you know, higher transport costs, higher energy costs, higher
labor cost we've got across the board. You know, it's
it's not like the log price is going up alongside
inflation and some of the cost increases that we're seeing,
and carbon's helping us kind of meet that gap. I
think where in the future it can. It can also
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be really helpful is where farmers want to plant forests.
You know, they may only have one eight class or
two age classes. And for farmers and for maldry who
may be starting with less in their pocket, it means
they can get some income as the forest is growing
that helps them address some of these management challenges along
the way. And that includes the pass and weeds issues
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that we're seeing as well.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, let's have a look at those pists and weed issues,
especially the pests. Once again, quite confederated farmers farms adjoining
pine forests were losing lambs to feral pigs as they
came out of the trees and killed the lambs, and
were hearing about unmanaged forests no perhaps fire protection. They
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managed in the same way a professional production forestry block
would be managed.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So they should be.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And I think an important point to make that I've
made at a conference earlier this week is that you know,
all production forests, whether it's production for timber or for
timber and carbon or for carbon, all of them need
active management and there are legal requirements around that. I
know that some of the carbon foresters actually have investments
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in predator trapping companies and pat management companies because they
need to use those services so frequently. So again I
also know that at the national level, we're dealing with
bigger problems in that space than we've seen previously, like
with larger populations of pigs and deer and goats.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, Elizabeth, I need to kind of wrap this up,
so you're effectively saying there's no spray and walk away
sort of yes or no on that one.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yes, there is no spray and walk away, like forests
need active management, so.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No spray and walk away. But you can't deny that
we're planting the wrong trees and the wrong place because
I know and I'm quoting you here. Yet again it's
important to note this is you saying that when we
talk about forests that have been planted or gone into
the ets in the last few years, that we've only
gone back to the same level of a forestation we
had twenty five years ago. No problems with that one
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at all. But twenty five years ago, Elizabeth, we went
planting pine trees on relatively flat or rolling pastoral or
even worse cases, arable land.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
So I will be interested as more data comes out
in the next couple of months from government about where
forests have actually gone into the landscape. In what I've
seen so far from statistics New Zealand, a lot of
the land that we're planting on is sheep and beef
country and there's also been conversion into dairy and other
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land uses. And then to be fair, these luc restrictions
are pretty well going to put this to rest. If
it's carbon that's driving it, then those when you know
they're in effect now. But we're seeing that nursery orders
are down by thirty percent for next year. We're definitely
going to have planting slow down from what we're seeing,
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and we're going to get the opportunity to see, well,
where have trees actually gone and then where do we
want to put them?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
In the fulud well, I can tell you where some
of them have gone. I'll send you a pick when
I get off here of a farm in South Otago
that's gone to trees. It'll make your eyes water, especially
if you're a sheep and beef farmer. Anyho, I've got
to go. Doctor Elizabeth Ege, thanks for sharing some of
your time and some of your memories of nine to eleven.
Thank you, thank you. It is twenty four after twelve.
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You are with the country talking about South Otago and
carbon farming. We're going there next with one part of
the Farmer panel Nigel Wardhead. The other one is closer
to the Antarctica than that at the moment. Tim Dangin
down in Southland, both former winners of the Young Farmer
of the Year, Chris Russell our Rosie correspondent and Barry Soper.
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Before the end of the hour we'll have rural news
and sports news for you as well. The troops are
rallying behind Dame Noline. Today's Farm up panel is a
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Young Farmer panel. One of them was the Young Farmer
of the Air in twenty seventeen, a South Otago sheep
and beef farmer Nigel Wardhead. The other one, Tim Dangeen,
was the Young Farmer of the Air in twenty twenty two.
He's originally from up north, but he's gone to the
rivi Era of the South Riverton to milk cows for
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another Young Farmer of the Year, Simon Hopcroft. Tim Dangeon,
I'm going to start with you. Are you regretting moving south?
It's a bit nippy down.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
There here you get, Jamie. We've had an interesting month
in September. I've learned a lot and it's been chalk
and cheese to August. August was fantastic, some great weather.
But he's stily getting tested now. But one day the
big yellow will come out, mate. And we're about eighty
percent through calving now, so I sort of feel like
we've gotten over the hump there and not really enjoying.
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It's great up.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The road in South Otago. Nigel Woodhead, as I said
twenty seventeen, young farmer of the air, you're flat out
on the lambing beat. She'd be a bit nippy out
this morning, was it?
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Yeah, afternoon, Jamie, Yes, it was very nippy. She's bit
of breaking the weather at the moment, which is which
is quite pleasant. But yeah, we're a long way off
double digits for temperature. But it hasn't been too bad
as far as lemming goes.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Like.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
It's been cold, but there hasn't been too much rain
and too much wind, so the lambs are handling it
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Tim Dangen, the word you used was furious. I know
that you're very passionate when you're not farming about getting
our best and brightest young people to have a look
or take on agriculture. So you want to get stuck
into the government over removing agribusiness courses and agg and
hought science courses from the new curriculum and schools. Why
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have they done this?
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I honestly don't know, Jamie. It's as kind of unbelievable,
to be honest, and I want to make sure it
it's as much profile as possible. I'm sure that our
industry good bodies will be picking it up pretty smartly.
But there are six and a half thousand students in
New Zealand that take these subjects Shamie. And although vocational
pathways will still be available in the new curriculum that
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the government's announced, it's taking away these really academic focused
papers and a lot of kids that come off farm
of it obviously have a pretty good vocational background, so
they're often looking for more technical expertise or education, and
by removing these subjects we're denying them that opportunity. It
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also means that there are no sort of well, there
are no tertiary recognized papers around agriculture available for students
to take, so it's real checking the guts and I
just can't really understand the reasoning behind it. Obviously, we've
got a National League government here at the moment which
is supposedly making farmers in trying to double exports in
the next ten years, and I can't see how we're
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going to do that if we're just closing doors on
young people that are wanting to learn more and be
more educated. And from a farmer's background, well, I think
that the skill set that's required for farmers these days
is becoming increasingly more difficult, and so to match that
we have to make sure that we're getting as well
educated as possible in both By shutting this down, it's
just another avenue and three kicking the gap matter. Yeah,
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I'm just just bewildered by it, to be honest, Nigel.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're heading back to South Otago. We've had on the
show already doctor Elizabeth Haigue who's the chief executive of
the Forest Owners' Association, and we were discussing carbon farming.
I know you haven't heard the interview, but you're in
heartland carbon farming sort of area, South Otago. She's trying
to tell me that largely carbon farming is a bit
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of a thing of the past. I don't agree with her.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
I think the thing I like and I'll put my
hand up straight away. We're plan under eighty ond hectyarism
in the last three years, and the pine trees and
this is all ground on our farm that we couldn't
get a track there on. It was all ex course ground.
It was hard to farm. So you know, pro pine tree.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But Nigel, that's right tree, right place.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
One hundred percent. That's what I was going to say.
It really pisses me off that these very good farms
and I'm standing on top of a hill and I
can look at one now that have been well farned
for generations and the easiest thing to do was to
sell them into trees and fantastic farm land, a lot
of it flat or close to flatters in trees. I
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think that's just an absolute waste as far as you know,
like around here, a lot of the purchases, some of
them were carbon farmers or carbon people, but a lot
of it's big corporates who have big forest holdings. At
the moment, the carbon thing is allowing them to cash
flow those forests. So it's just changed the game from
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forest who was a high return, but you had to
wait a long time for your money. Now you've got
cash flow for the first sixteen years to get you through.
And it's it's a real shame that instead of thinking
about pieces parcels of land at the farm scale and
thinking well this this small area can go to trees
and that twenty hectores and but here and but there,
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we're looking at looking at countryside at at a regional
level and thinking in whole parcels of land to go
into trees instead of more nuanced at a farm level,
if that makes sense. So it's a real shame.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And it's you go.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
From here in Milton through to Lawrence through to Beaumont.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
It's hard.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Out of a lot of that really good quality breeding
finishing land around Lawrence has been some very good farms
go to trees and it's going to have a significant
impact over the next few years on some awesome little communities.
So I'm getting the balance right. It's really hard, But
the incentive has been whole farm planting instead of integrating
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trees into farms to get the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
That's one of the best summations I've heard about. Right
tree in the right place, well done. Just before I
let the paerior you go nine to eleven American time today?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Where were you?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
What were you doing? You're both young Farmers of the Year.
You're relatively young men, Tim, Were you still in nappies?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Surely not.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
No, I was not nine years old, Jamie. I remember
going into primary school and seeing my school teacher in tears,
and yeah, I remember her being very upset and I'm
sort of wondering what was going on, and then she
told us about what had happened, So I remember it
very vividly.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Mate, Nigel, what about you? Just quickly to finish on?
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I was aweve bit older than that. I don't actually
have any memory of it at all, but I don't
remember much at school, so no memories of me.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's a real knowledge gap. How the hell did you
ever win the Young Farmer of the Year with such
a knowledge gap? What happened if a nine to eleven
question came up?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Oh, well that's one i'd get when i'd get wrong.
I've got plenty of questions wrong, don't worry about that.
But I obviously managed.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
To get a few right.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You got enough right to win the title in twenty seventeen.
Well done Nigel, what heead? Tim Dangel of course Young
Farmer of the Year and twenty twenty two. I know
you're both farming at the bottom of the country. Hope
the weather improves. Thanks Tommy, Thanks guys. It is twenty
six away from one up next Michelle what the latest
and rural news? Where was she? What was she doing
(22:19):
on nine to eleven? I hope she's not like Nigel
and can't remember real knowledge gap that one before the
end of the hour, Chris Russell and Barry sober Man,
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welcome back to the country. I forgot this. This could
be the end of my career.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
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Speaker 9 (23:57):
Your locals Duggist and I think it's my head that
rolls for that, Jamie, So well.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, don't worry. It will be if someone has to
be thrown under the bus. Food chain, Michelle, it'll be you.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Yeah, food chain. I'm but a caterpillar and the food
chain as Andy and I'm here, Andy here, and I.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Joke all the time, Well he's learned the food chain
and where he sits on it? Oho, I have I've
got to learn the food chain as well. It's like
the HOSC always cuts my lunch. I've teed up an
interview with someone really exciting and he he pinches them
on his morning show buck at midday. I just have
to I just have to roll with it, roll with it,
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sucket anyhow, what's happened reural news?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Okay, sun rayal news. I just head this through this afternoon.
Actually Jamie's so Bay of Plenty Technical Lab manager Phoebe
share It has won the covered A twenty twenty five
Young Grower National title. Phoebe, who works for Apata and Tarronga,
as also the Bay of Plenty Regional Champion runner up
with Stephen Rank the Canterbury Regional Champion and third spot
went to Amelia Marsen's and congratulations to them. And I've
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got a bit of positive news here with milk production
out of the Rabobank's Global Dairy Quarterly so and the report,
Rabobank has said that the velocity and milk supply growth
across most of key dairy export regions had shifted out
performing previous expectations, with New Zealand production following a record
start to the new twenty twenty five twenty twenty sixth
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season and you can read more about that report.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think that's not actually good news, Michelle, isn't it
You might have been thrown on. Well, not really, because
there's a World Productions ramping up and we've got another
Global Dairy Trade auction next week. It'll be interesting to
see how it goes. Where were you very quickly nine
to eleven.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
I was studying for practice exams in year twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think so unlike Nigel you you remember where you
were at least I do.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
I remember hearing on the radio. I think it was
a joke.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I got woken up at one o'clock in the
morning by a work colleague. You said you better turn
the tally on or was just after one actually and
watch the glued to it. Couldn't believe it. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
His sport sport with AFCO Kiwi to the bone since
nineteen oh four.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So Gordon Titchens has put his support behind a strange
Silver Firns coach, Dame nol and Tarua, The seven's maestros, says,
to lose netball's best coach at a critical time, it's
quite sad and he's just staggered. Meanwhile, there's been some
contrasting news in Australia. Netball Australia and the Australian Players
Association have reached what's being called a landmark new collective agreement.
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The deal involves their maiden revenue share model. Players will
get a pay rise of around forty percent over the
three year term. No wonder all the netballers in New
Zealand are fleeing across the Tasman. That's where we're going next.
Our Australian correspondent is Chris Russell.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Now the world has changed and so have I and
America cans.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Is there, Elsie correspondent? His name is Chris Russilly's been
doing this slot for more than thirty years and no doubt, Chris,
what is it now? Twenty four years ago we would
have talked in depth about nine to eleven of course
American time today. Where were you? What were you doing?
Speaker 10 (27:19):
Well? I remember very well Jill and I had just
been to a big conference in Canberra, Brother Crawford Society
and we came home from their big glar dinner about
eleven o'clock at night to back to the hotel in
queenbyan walked in the door turn the TV on while
we were sort of just getting changed and so on,
and I saw this happening on the TV screen and
(27:40):
I thought it looked just like a movie set. And
I thought, well, I haven't seen that movie. What's this movie?
Realizing that it wasn't. And the next thing, the managers
at my door saying that the neighboring rooms had asked
me to turn the TV down because it was they
it was the middle of the night and they were
wanting to get to sleep. And I said, you better
tell them to get up, because I think the world's
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just changed, and it.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Has changed, definitely for the worst. Chris A. Something that
is changing for the better if you're a beef farmer
is the price of beef at the moment You've got
on Australia a wag you heifer selling for three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (28:17):
Yeah, this is the third biggest that's a massive amount
of money for heifer. Of course it's all going to
be used for embryos, but that's a massive amount of money.
It's the third most expensive beast or bovine sold in Australia.
There was a wag you heifer that sold a few
years ago for four hundred thousand, and Angus bull sold
in twenty twenty three for three hundred and sixty thousand.
(28:39):
But these are big moneies, and of course it's the
embryo and the AI market which is driving it. But
if you actually look at totally what's happening with Angus,
particularly Angus feed steer is now fetching five dollars fifty
akilo liveweight in Victoria and they're saying that's likely to
be up to seven dollars fifty akilo live one we're
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talking in Victoria next year. It wasn't you know that
was a good price for the carcass weight not too
many years ago, Jamie. And we're shifting, of course, massive
amounts of beef overseas that's making the difference. We're sending
four hundred and fifty one thousand tons over to the
US and China's taking two hundred thousand tons. You know,
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it's it's all massive demand that's driving all this. So
you can see why so many people are selling up
and why the beef herd is. On one hand, they're
trying to grow it. On the other hand, they can't
resist the money they're getting at the moment, Well.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You can't beat steak, eggs and chips. Talking about eggs,
caged eggs are still on.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
The menu, yes, Well, Cole's had originally said that they
were going to abandon their caged eggs by next year,
but they've decided that because of the supplied disruptions after
we've had all those bird flu quarantine wipeouts of big
farms down in Victoria, and also the costs of living
the fact that these non caged eggs are much more
(30:01):
expensive to buy. Still buy caged eggs in the supermarket
here for around four dollars fifty four dollars sixty a dozen,
whereas you're going to be paying for anything that's free,
free range eggs or barn laid eggs, you're going to
be probably over the six dollar mark. So in all
those interests, they've decided to continue using and selling caged
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eggs through to twenty thirty. Of course, these cages are
changing all the time. They're bigger now and so they
are different cages. But nonetheless, I'm sure a lot of
the animal welfare groups will be unhappy with that, but
I think the realistic situation is that coals need to
do that just to keep the cost of living down
a bit.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Chris, very similar to our arable farmers in this country.
Your guys, your cropping farmers are facing tough times.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Yeah, well, they're facing good times in terms of the season.
They're talking about a fifty five million ton total crop
this year, which you know, which is pretty that's a
that's I think about the third highest crop for some time.
But the wheak prices are falling like a stone. They're
down to three hundred and fourteen dollars a ton this
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week and an hour down to the pre COVID laws
almost of twenty twenty. So this is a big problem
because they're saying that three hundred and fourteen dollars a
ton is below their cost of production and they just
can't carry on. Obviously, the cost of production are getting
up all the time with fertilizer cost fuel costs. I'm
sure you got exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Barley.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Canola prices are also falling, and even crop chickpea prices
even though the Indians have now opened up their market
again to putting chickpeas in and there's been a huge
acreage planting the chick keys particularly in northern New South Wales.
But those prices are also falling down at the moment.
So it's it's you know, either damned if you do
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and damned if you don't. But I suppose there's more
money in having crop to sell, but you've got to
make money out.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Of it as well. I know in a passlot you
were a member of the Sydney Olympic Stadium. Used to
go along to all the tests. In fact, you and
I went along to one. I think you buggers might
have won too. Chris and the Bledderslow Are you going
along on Saturday? Is it Saturday? Are you're playing Argentina?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
Now I'm sadly I am not going along, but I'll
be certainly glued to the TV watching. It should be
a good game, I tell you what. All the interests
coming on the Bledisloe Cup this year though, Jamie, I
mean we got the job ahead of it. We've got
to win twice, but nonetheless we've certainly got a side
and I think everyone is looking forward to that. So
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this will be another prelude. A good game last week
and I think another good game I think coming up
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Great finish last weekend indeed, it's very exciting the Rugby Championship.
Really looking forward to it. Okay, Chris, we'll catch you
next week and I've run out of time. I want
to talk to what talk about what Elon Musk is
doing to make phone coverage universal and the Aussie outback.
That's something for next week. See you then, no worries,
Yeah we have it is ten away from one. You
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are with the country. Some of your feedback. Beef animals
sold for seven dollars per kilogram live weight down on
South And three weeks ago. My text has said the
market is beyond crazy. Here's another one on the trees.
Jamie could do with some commas on this one. My
friend Andrew, But anyhow, thanks for texting. And he said,
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just got a quote on trees twenty five years ago.
Fifty k a heck there, now ten k a heck there?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Is that what you mean? Andrew? A waste of time
planting pine trees, even with carbon credits, he says. And
before I forget seeing I almost Michelle actually forgot Isuzu. Yep,
it's good working with you, Michelle. Michelle forgot the Isuzu liner,
but we made good on that one and I don't
want to forget our friends at farm Strong. So every
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farm Strong. If you want to live well and farm well,
head to the farm Strong webs site this weekend. That's
farmstrong dot co dot in z to find out what
works for you and lock it in Eddie Barry Soper
to wrap the country next clown, Well, let's wrap the
(34:27):
country with our political editor, Barry Soper nine to eleven.
Charlie Kirk, Stewart, Nash, Tom Phillips, Tacooter Ferris. Where do
we start, Barry.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Well, probably the worst was Tom Phillips. Of course he
was described as a monster by the Minister of Police
Mark Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Hey, Barry, Barry, and I know these rumors are circulating
and nothing's confirmed. That's the giveaway that the rumors widely
circulating are true.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Surely, Yeah, well, you know, obviously I know a lot
that I can't say, Jamie, but this man, certainly, you know,
he was not the kindly father that probably people think
he was, and that's probably going a bit far, but not.
The other thing is takuta feris. I mean, the man
(35:20):
I don't know what he was doing at midnight when
he posted this peace on Facebook. I had a log
at it and he was very deliberate, but very slow,
and said what would be described in some quarters as
quite racist things. Now, the leadership of the party had
apologized for his first out verset saying that ethnic minorities
(35:45):
had no right campaigning for Labor in a Moldy seat,
which of course is absolute rubbish. Anybody can campaign for anybody.
But they apologize for that. But we've heard nothing of
them since. He not only doubled down, he tripled down
on what he had originally said. So I don't know
what this man's future is like with the Maldi Party,
(36:07):
but he holds handsomely the whole of the South Art
and the seat that was with the Terry Cartiney Sullivan's
for I think seventy odd years.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
What about political futures, what about Stuart Nash with New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
First, well, you know, you'd have to wonder where the
comment came from when it's not even as you and
I were talking earlier, Jamie, you wouldn't hear it in
a bar room, you know, between boys describing what he
sees as a woman. It was very bad choice. But
(36:43):
I think you know, given that he's been in trouble
before he spoke at the New Zealand First Conference. He
and Winston Peters seemed to get on pretty well, although
Winston wouldn't like the comment he made. I would think
you'll see him on the New Zealand First Ticket next year.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Movie times great Hairler. Now, if you were born after
World War Two, you and I both are, but were
proud baby boomers. Nine to eleven. Was the biggest event
of your life? Winston? Of course you mentioned was born
before the end of the World War Two. Just I've
got thirty seconds, Barry, what are your collections? It is
the biggest event of our lifetime? Surely?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes? Well.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I was called from modem ole Selpham mates in New
York the late end. Phillips called me and he said,
turn on your television in the middle of the night,
and I did and saw the horror of the planes
crashing into the buildings. Chrisphin Layson was a neighbor of
mine and he came over in the early hours of
the morning and we all watched it unfolding together. And
(37:42):
it was very difficult to explain to my boys, who
were very young at the time, just exactly what had happened.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, today, none of us will ever forget Barry Soper.
Thanks for your time and don't try and cross the
Harbor Bridge this weekend. We'll see you later.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Nice talking you, Jamie, Barry.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Soper wrapping the Country. Great day, Go the wires, go
the all Blacks. Catch on Monday, catch.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
All the latest from the land. It's the Country Podcast
with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Brent starkest of the leading
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Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks to Brent.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
To John, Get a New Zealand and well, my head's
sat down and wave it. Get a New Zealand. Welcome
to the Country. I am Jamie McKay. The show's brought
to you by Brent. One of my favorite nine to
eleven songs the Eagles Hole in the World. Tonight, I've
got a couple of Americans kicking off the show as
(00:51):
fate would have it today, Chris Brandolino, our Earth Science
is in z Guy. I'm based in Dunedin. It's pretty
cold down here at them. Is it a colder than
average September? Let's ask him now. The other American is
doctor Elizabeth Haig. She is the chief executive of the
Forest Owners Association. She was quoted as saying earlier in
(01:15):
the week that a few bad actors are giving the
sector a bad name around carbon farming. Today's Farmer Panel
Nigel Woodhead twenty seventeen Young Farmer of the Year and
Tim Dangjin twenty twenty two Young Farmer of the Year.
Ossie correspondent is Chris Russell. We missed him on yesterday's show.
We are going to get him today and if I
(01:36):
can track him down, Big basis soaper to talk politics.
See what a messy place the world is. As we
reflect on nine to eleven, Charlie Kirk in the US
tragic and poor old Stewart Nash came to grief a
wee but this week as well, Ridio, let's kick it
off with Chris Brandolino from NIWA. What's your nine to
(01:58):
eleven story?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Chris Ooh wow, Yeah, I was in my mid twenties
and upstate New York and I remember it well. It
was Yeah, it was something you just never forget where
you were when it happened. And I remember, and I was,
you know, I lived three hundred miles or three hundred
(02:20):
and fifty miles from New York City where it happened.
But even for several years after, whenever I would hear
a low flying aircraft, it would just, uh, it would
just you know, it would trigger me. It would just
freak me out. Quick story. There was a guy by
the name of Mike Reese. He's a writer, he used
to be a writer. I'm not sure if he's still
writing for the Simpsons.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So my wife was in grad school earning her masters,
and you know, as a grad student, she you know,
she was teaching, so you know, you are an adult, but
she got cheaper tickets for events. So this guy, Mike
Reese from The Simpsons, he was speaking, had a speaking engagement.
So I loved the Simpsons. So she and I went
to hear his remarks and he tells the story about
(03:00):
nine eleven, and the story tells he was given some
dur and all the cartoons that Fox had, such as
Came to the Hill if you remember, back in the
late nineties, and then there was Family Guy. So he
tells his story and how Seth McFarland, the creator of
Family Guy, was was basically missed his flight and he's
(03:21):
in the lobby at the airport in I think in Boston,
and he's yelling at his manager, why why did it
get me on? Why am I not on that plane?
And he's watching the television in the plane he was
meant to be on I think was the second plane
that crashed into the Twin Towers. And Mike Reese would
always say like God must have loved Family Guy. Because
(03:43):
the fact that he was late. He had a big
night partying. I think miss overslept, missed his plane and
as a consequence of that he he lived. He did not,
he didn't you know, he didn't get on that plane.
And he was the creator of Family Guy. So there
you go.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's not a bad none eleven story. Let's onto the
weather now. My perception I'm based on the Naden. I've
got farming interests down on Southland. It's pretty cold down
there at the moment, but nothing nothing unusual in September.
But you're telling me for a lot of the country
we're doing okay. In fact, we may be yeah an average.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Some places in the eastern part of the eastern part
of the South Island, eastern and parts of the North
Island have a warm link. But to your point, you're
you're on the right track. I did look at the
numbers and look, I would say a lot of the
countries on the cool side of average. So again it
doesn't have to be spot on to be average. Have
(04:36):
to agree either side, right, have to agree warm, have
togree cool. If it's within there, we say good enough,
near average, and much of the country is on like point.
Three point four point five on the negative side, so
on the cool side of average. But there are some areas, Jamie.
It's to your point where on the western side of
the South Island it's been quite chili so far this spring.
That's going to come to an end. Looking at the guidance, Look,
(04:58):
we're gonna have a cool chili we weekend, so okay,
we got that. But once we get through this weekend,
I think much of next week is going to have
a decidedly warm lean, maybe a bit of a cool
down Thursday Friday, but that'll just be for a half day,
maybe a day, and then another puff of warm air
comes from Aussie for the weekend, at least to start
next weekend. So I think over the next we'll call
(05:19):
it seven to eight days, I would say the vast
majority of the next seven to eight days are going
to have a warm lean from Monday from Monday for
the country. So the next couple of days gonna be windy.
We got a big we'll get some rugby. This weekend
gonna be windy and Wellington shocker and kind of cool.
But generally speaking, I don't think we're gonna see lots
(05:40):
in the way of cold temperatures. Once you get past
this weekend, it'll be a warm lean. There'll be a
lot of wind, that's for sure. So we're living up
to the spring reputation. Then, if you will rightly as.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You said, no surprise Wind and Wellington. We're expecting that
the warrior is the Wiles applying in Auckland. Are I
gonna have to play with the fundy tobit the panthers?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
No, Look, I think generally speaking this for the weekend,
there will be some showers tomorrow, I think tomorrow evening. Yeah,
there could be. Yeah, Look, there could be some showers.
I would expect at least a few showers. I'm not
sure if it will define the game in terms of
whether we will define the game in terms of whether tomorrow,
for Auckland anyway, will be a bit of a healthy
(06:21):
breeze and if it's kind of rain, will be early
to the start of the of the other test.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay. Chris Braindolino from Earth Sciences and New Zealand first
of two Americans to kick off the show today. He's
a key with these days, of course. Up next, doctor
Elizabeth Higgs. She is the chief executive of the New
Zealand Forest Owners Association the Farmer Panel today both former
(06:47):
winners of the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final,
Nigel Woodhead and Tim d Engine, Chris Russell a guy
and Assie and Barry Sober if I can find them.
(07:10):
Doctor Elizabeth Higue is the chief executive of the Forest
Owners Association. Read a story yesterday about carbon farming being
a poison chalice piqued my interest. We're going to talk
about that, but Elizabeth, before we do, as soon as
you open your mouth, people are going to pick you
are an American. It is nine to eleven American time.
Where were you? What were you doing?
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Oh well, I was about to head into university back
when the attack happened, and glued to the telly for
a few minutes before we had to shoot off, and
then just this eerie silence for the next few days
where no planes were flying. But yeah, it is, it's
still a pretty somber occasion, and certainly, you know, with
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the increased levels of violence we're sitting now, it's all
it's all very.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Very sobering, very sad and sobering. You were quoted as
saying a few bad actors are giving the sector this
is the forestry sector a bad name and some foresters
are having rocks thrown at them. Explain to me what
you meant by that.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Well, when you look at the statistics around who's participating
in carbon markets, I think it's really important to note
that the majority of exotic forestry that's in the emissions
trading scheme can actually be harvested. So there's only six
percent of exotics in the ets that are in the
(08:40):
permanent category. So the perception that there's a whole bunch
of carbon only forest out there and that when you're
driving around the countryside what you're seeing is all carbon
forest is not true. There's eighty three percent of the
current post eighty nine estate and mpi's most recent a
(09:04):
forestation and deforestation Intentions report is meant to be harvested.
As you look at forestry broadly, actually, there's a lot
of timber foresters that have carbon as part of their
management portfolio and that are managing their forests effectively. So
this perception of that all the pine that people are
(09:26):
seeing go in right now is somebody's just going to
walk away from that and leave it. There may be
a small percentage even of those carbon only foresters that
have told people that's how they're going to manage their forests.
But on the whole, a big proportion of what's going
in is timber forestry, and of that climate forestry, there's
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actually a whole bunch of the forests that have specific
management plans to eventually transition into native forests.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, I think it's great that the foresters can pick
up some carbon credits along the way. In fact, a
federated farm the saying, is this correct, seventy percent of
the revenue for harvested trees at the moment was coming
from carbon. Is it that high?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I think it's so. I wouldn't. It would depend on
your forest model. I think that's that's probably a broad generalization.
I think what the carbon income is doing right now
for folks that have timber and carbon is helping us
address margin compression where we're seeing and everybody's experiencing this.
(10:30):
But you know, higher transport costs, higher energy costs, higher
labor cost we've got across the board. You know, it's
it's not like the log price is going up alongside
inflation and some of the cost increases that we're seeing,
and carbon's helping us kind of meet that gap. I
think where in the future it can. It can also
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be really helpful is where farmers want to plant forests.
You know, they may only have one eight class or
two age classes. And for farmers and for maldry who
may be starting with less in their pocket, it means
they can get some income as the forest is growing
that helps them address some of these management challenges along
the way. And that includes the pass and weeds issues
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that we're seeing as well.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, let's have a look at those pists and weed issues,
especially the pests. Once again, quite confederated farmers farms adjoining
pine forests were losing lambs to feral pigs as they
came out of the trees and killed the lambs, and
were hearing about unmanaged forests no perhaps fire protection. They
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managed in the same way a professional production forestry block
would be managed.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So they should be.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And I think an important point to make that I've
made at a conference earlier this week is that you know,
all production forests, whether it's production for timber or for
timber and carbon or for carbon, all of them need
active management and there are legal requirements around that. I
know that some of the carbon foresters actually have investments
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in predator trapping companies and pat management companies because they
need to use those services so frequently. So again I
also know that at the national level, we're dealing with
bigger problems in that space than we've seen previously, like
with larger populations of pigs and deer and goats.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, Elizabeth, I need to kind of wrap this up,
so you're effectively saying there's no spray and walk away
sort of yes or no on that one.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yes, there is no spray and walk away, like forests
need active management, so.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No spray and walk away. But you can't deny that
we're planting the wrong trees and the wrong place because
I know and I'm quoting you here. Yet again it's
important to note this is you saying that when we
talk about forests that have been planted or gone into
the ets in the last few years, that we've only
gone back to the same level of a forestation we
had twenty five years ago. No problems with that one
(13:02):
at all. But twenty five years ago, Elizabeth, we went
planting pine trees on relatively flat or rolling pastoral or
even worse cases, arable land.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
So I will be interested as more data comes out
in the next couple of months from government about where
forests have actually gone into the landscape. In what I've
seen so far from statistics New Zealand, a lot of
the land that we're planting on is sheep and beef
country and there's also been conversion into dairy and other
(13:35):
land uses. And then to be fair, these luc restrictions
are pretty well going to put this to rest. If
it's carbon that's driving it, then those when you know
they're in effect now. But we're seeing that nursery orders
are down by thirty percent for next year. We're definitely
going to have planting slow down from what we're seeing,
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and we're going to get the opportunity to see, well,
where have trees actually gone and then where do we
want to put them?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
In the fulud well, I can tell you where some
of them have gone. I'll send you a pick when
I get off here of a farm in South Otago
that's gone to trees. It'll make your eyes water, especially
if you're a sheep and beef farmer. Anyho, I've got
to go. Doctor Elizabeth Ege, thanks for sharing some of
your time and some of your memories of nine to eleven.
Thank you, thank you. It is twenty four after twelve.
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You are with the country talking about South Otago and
carbon farming. We're going there next with one part of
the Farmer panel Nigel Wardhead. The other one is closer
to the Antarctica than that at the moment. Tim Dangin
down in Southland, both former winners of the Young Farmer
of the Year, Chris Russell our Rosie correspondent and Barry Soper.
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Before the end of the hour we'll have rural news
and sports news for you as well. The troops are
rallying behind Dame Noline. Today's Farm up panel is a
(15:06):
Young Farmer panel. One of them was the Young Farmer
of the Air in twenty seventeen, a South Otago sheep
and beef farmer Nigel Wardhead. The other one, Tim Dangeen,
was the Young Farmer of the Air in twenty twenty two.
He's originally from up north, but he's gone to the
rivi Era of the South Riverton to milk cows for
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another Young Farmer of the Year, Simon Hopcroft. Tim Dangeon,
I'm going to start with you. Are you regretting moving south?
It's a bit nippy down.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
There here you get, Jamie. We've had an interesting month
in September. I've learned a lot and it's been chalk
and cheese to August. August was fantastic, some great weather.
But he's stily getting tested now. But one day the
big yellow will come out, mate. And we're about eighty
percent through calving now, so I sort of feel like
we've gotten over the hump there and not really enjoying.
(15:56):
It's great up.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The road in South Otago. Nigel Woodhead, as I said
twenty seventeen, young farmer of the air, you're flat out
on the lambing beat. She'd be a bit nippy out
this morning, was it?
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Yeah, afternoon, Jamie, Yes, it was very nippy. She's bit
of breaking the weather at the moment, which is which
is quite pleasant. But yeah, we're a long way off
double digits for temperature. But it hasn't been too bad
as far as lemming goes.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Like.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
It's been cold, but there hasn't been too much rain
and too much wind, so the lambs are handling it
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Tim Dangen, the word you used was furious. I know
that you're very passionate when you're not farming about getting
our best and brightest young people to have a look
or take on agriculture. So you want to get stuck
into the government over removing agribusiness courses and agg and
hought science courses from the new curriculum and schools. Why
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have they done this?
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I honestly don't know, Jamie. It's as kind of unbelievable,
to be honest, and I want to make sure it
it's as much profile as possible. I'm sure that our
industry good bodies will be picking it up pretty smartly.
But there are six and a half thousand students in
New Zealand that take these subjects Shamie. And although vocational
pathways will still be available in the new curriculum that
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the government's announced, it's taking away these really academic focused
papers and a lot of kids that come off farm
of it obviously have a pretty good vocational background, so
they're often looking for more technical expertise or education, and
by removing these subjects we're denying them that opportunity. It
(17:30):
also means that there are no sort of well, there
are no tertiary recognized papers around agriculture available for students
to take, so it's real checking the guts and I
just can't really understand the reasoning behind it. Obviously, we've
got a National League government here at the moment which
is supposedly making farmers in trying to double exports in
the next ten years, and I can't see how we're
(17:52):
going to do that if we're just closing doors on
young people that are wanting to learn more and be
more educated. And from a farmer's background, well, I think
that the skill set that's required for farmers these days
is becoming increasingly more difficult, and so to match that
we have to make sure that we're getting as well
educated as possible in both By shutting this down, it's
just another avenue and three kicking the gap matter. Yeah,
(18:15):
I'm just just bewildered by it, to be honest, Nigel.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're heading back to South Otago. We've had on the
show already doctor Elizabeth Haigue who's the chief executive of
the Forest Owners' Association, and we were discussing carbon farming.
I know you haven't heard the interview, but you're in
heartland carbon farming sort of area, South Otago. She's trying
to tell me that largely carbon farming is a bit
(18:39):
of a thing of the past. I don't agree with her.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
I think the thing I like and I'll put my
hand up straight away. We're plan under eighty ond hectyarism
in the last three years, and the pine trees and
this is all ground on our farm that we couldn't
get a track there on. It was all ex course ground.
It was hard to farm. So you know, pro pine tree.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But Nigel, that's right tree, right place.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
One hundred percent. That's what I was going to say.
It really pisses me off that these very good farms
and I'm standing on top of a hill and I
can look at one now that have been well farned
for generations and the easiest thing to do was to
sell them into trees and fantastic farm land, a lot
of it flat or close to flatters in trees. I
(19:25):
think that's just an absolute waste as far as you know,
like around here, a lot of the purchases, some of
them were carbon farmers or carbon people, but a lot
of it's big corporates who have big forest holdings. At
the moment, the carbon thing is allowing them to cash
flow those forests. So it's just changed the game from
(19:50):
forest who was a high return, but you had to
wait a long time for your money. Now you've got
cash flow for the first sixteen years to get you through.
And it's it's a real shame that instead of thinking
about pieces parcels of land at the farm scale and
thinking well this this small area can go to trees
and that twenty hectores and but here and but there,
(20:11):
we're looking at looking at countryside at at a regional
level and thinking in whole parcels of land to go
into trees instead of more nuanced at a farm level,
if that makes sense. So it's a real shame.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And it's you go.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
From here in Milton through to Lawrence through to Beaumont.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
It's hard.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Out of a lot of that really good quality breeding
finishing land around Lawrence has been some very good farms
go to trees and it's going to have a significant
impact over the next few years on some awesome little communities.
So I'm getting the balance right. It's really hard, But
the incentive has been whole farm planting instead of integrating
(20:56):
trees into farms to get the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
That's one of the best summations I've heard about. Right
tree in the right place, well done. Just before I
let the paerior you go nine to eleven American time today?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Where were you?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
What were you doing? You're both young Farmers of the Year.
You're relatively young men, Tim, Were you still in nappies?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Surely not.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
No, I was not nine years old, Jamie. I remember
going into primary school and seeing my school teacher in tears,
and yeah, I remember her being very upset and I'm
sort of wondering what was going on, and then she
told us about what had happened, So I remember it
very vividly.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Mate, Nigel, what about you? Just quickly to finish on?
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I was aweve bit older than that. I don't actually
have any memory of it at all, but I don't
remember much at school, so no memories of me.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's a real knowledge gap. How the hell did you
ever win the Young Farmer of the Year with such
a knowledge gap? What happened if a nine to eleven
question came up?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Oh, well that's one i'd get when i'd get wrong.
I've got plenty of questions wrong, don't worry about that.
But I obviously managed.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
To get a few right.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You got enough right to win the title in twenty seventeen.
Well done Nigel, what heead? Tim Dangel of course Young
Farmer of the Year and twenty twenty two. I know
you're both farming at the bottom of the country. Hope
the weather improves. Thanks Tommy, Thanks guys. It is twenty
six away from one up next Michelle what the latest
and rural news? Where was she? What was she doing
(22:19):
on nine to eleven? I hope she's not like Nigel
and can't remember real knowledge gap that one before the
end of the hour, Chris Russell and Barry sober Man,
(22:41):
welcome back to the country. I forgot this. This could
be the end of my career.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The Farmer Panel with the Iszuzu Dmax, the Kiwi ute,
built tough with truck DNA.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, and every Friday, thank you I Suzu they bring
you the Farmer Panel and we're going to concentrate on
young farmers. Bad news for stew Duncan and Stu Loo
they're old farmers, but will fit them in on another
day of the week.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Just reminds me and I was talking about this on
Wednesday when I was in christ Church. Isuzu deal days
are on right at the moment, starting today, finishing on Sunday,
three day only sales event at your local Isuzu dealer
from September twelfth to fourteenth, that's today through Sunday. There's
a bonus in you, a bonus for you if you're
(23:28):
a country listener if you do buy a new Isuzu
and you mentioned the country to your local dealer, if
you're in the market for one, why wouldn't you You'll
score a Stonycreek jacket worth over four hundred bucks. Remember
the Isuzu deal days and on Sunday, here's Michelle with
the latest in rural news.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
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Speaker 9 (23:57):
Your locals Duggist and I think it's my head that
rolls for that, Jamie, So well.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, don't worry. It will be if someone has to
be thrown under the bus. Food chain, Michelle, it'll be you.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Yeah, food chain. I'm but a caterpillar and the food
chain as Andy and I'm here, Andy here, and I.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Joke all the time, Well he's learned the food chain
and where he sits on it? Oho, I have I've
got to learn the food chain as well. It's like
the HOSC always cuts my lunch. I've teed up an
interview with someone really exciting and he he pinches them
on his morning show buck at midday. I just have
to I just have to roll with it, roll with it,
(24:33):
sucket anyhow, what's happened reural news?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Okay, sun rayal news. I just head this through this afternoon.
Actually Jamie's so Bay of Plenty Technical Lab manager Phoebe
share It has won the covered A twenty twenty five
Young Grower National title. Phoebe, who works for Apata and Tarronga,
as also the Bay of Plenty Regional Champion runner up
with Stephen Rank the Canterbury Regional Champion and third spot
went to Amelia Marsen's and congratulations to them. And I've
(24:57):
got a bit of positive news here with milk production
out of the Rabobank's Global Dairy Quarterly so and the report,
Rabobank has said that the velocity and milk supply growth
across most of key dairy export regions had shifted out
performing previous expectations, with New Zealand production following a record
start to the new twenty twenty five twenty twenty sixth
(25:18):
season and you can read more about that report.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think that's not actually good news, Michelle, isn't it
You might have been thrown on. Well, not really, because
there's a World Productions ramping up and we've got another
Global Dairy Trade auction next week. It'll be interesting to
see how it goes. Where were you very quickly nine
to eleven.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
I was studying for practice exams in year twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think so unlike Nigel you you remember where you
were at least I do.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
I remember hearing on the radio. I think it was
a joke.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I got woken up at one o'clock in the
morning by a work colleague. You said you better turn
the tally on or was just after one actually and
watch the glued to it. Couldn't believe it. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
His sport sport with AFCO Kiwi to the bone since
nineteen oh four.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So Gordon Titchens has put his support behind a strange
Silver Firns coach, Dame nol and Tarua, The seven's maestros, says,
to lose netball's best coach at a critical time, it's
quite sad and he's just staggered. Meanwhile, there's been some
contrasting news in Australia. Netball Australia and the Australian Players
Association have reached what's being called a landmark new collective agreement.
(26:29):
The deal involves their maiden revenue share model. Players will
get a pay rise of around forty percent over the
three year term. No wonder all the netballers in New
Zealand are fleeing across the Tasman. That's where we're going next.
Our Australian correspondent is Chris Russell.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Now the world has changed and so have I and
America cans.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Is there, Elsie correspondent? His name is Chris Russilly's been
doing this slot for more than thirty years and no doubt, Chris,
what is it now? Twenty four years ago we would
have talked in depth about nine to eleven of course
American time today. Where were you? What were you doing?
Speaker 10 (27:19):
Well? I remember very well Jill and I had just
been to a big conference in Canberra, Brother Crawford Society
and we came home from their big glar dinner about
eleven o'clock at night to back to the hotel in
queenbyan walked in the door turn the TV on while
we were sort of just getting changed and so on,
and I saw this happening on the TV screen and
(27:40):
I thought it looked just like a movie set. And
I thought, well, I haven't seen that movie. What's this movie?
Realizing that it wasn't. And the next thing, the managers
at my door saying that the neighboring rooms had asked
me to turn the TV down because it was they
it was the middle of the night and they were
wanting to get to sleep. And I said, you better
tell them to get up, because I think the world's
(28:01):
just changed, and it.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Has changed, definitely for the worst. Chris A. Something that
is changing for the better if you're a beef farmer
is the price of beef at the moment You've got
on Australia a wag you heifer selling for three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (28:17):
Yeah, this is the third biggest that's a massive amount
of money for heifer. Of course it's all going to
be used for embryos, but that's a massive amount of money.
It's the third most expensive beast or bovine sold in Australia.
There was a wag you heifer that sold a few
years ago for four hundred thousand, and Angus bull sold
in twenty twenty three for three hundred and sixty thousand.
(28:39):
But these are big moneies, and of course it's the
embryo and the AI market which is driving it. But
if you actually look at totally what's happening with Angus,
particularly Angus feed steer is now fetching five dollars fifty
akilo liveweight in Victoria and they're saying that's likely to
be up to seven dollars fifty akilo live one we're
(29:00):
talking in Victoria next year. It wasn't you know that
was a good price for the carcass weight not too
many years ago, Jamie. And we're shifting, of course, massive
amounts of beef overseas that's making the difference. We're sending
four hundred and fifty one thousand tons over to the
US and China's taking two hundred thousand tons. You know,
(29:22):
it's it's all massive demand that's driving all this. So
you can see why so many people are selling up
and why the beef herd is. On one hand, they're
trying to grow it. On the other hand, they can't
resist the money they're getting at the moment, Well.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You can't beat steak, eggs and chips. Talking about eggs,
caged eggs are still on.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
The menu, yes, Well, Cole's had originally said that they
were going to abandon their caged eggs by next year,
but they've decided that because of the supplied disruptions after
we've had all those bird flu quarantine wipeouts of big
farms down in Victoria, and also the costs of living
the fact that these non caged eggs are much more
(30:01):
expensive to buy. Still buy caged eggs in the supermarket
here for around four dollars fifty four dollars sixty a dozen,
whereas you're going to be paying for anything that's free,
free range eggs or barn laid eggs, you're going to
be probably over the six dollar mark. So in all
those interests, they've decided to continue using and selling caged
(30:24):
eggs through to twenty thirty. Of course, these cages are
changing all the time. They're bigger now and so they
are different cages. But nonetheless, I'm sure a lot of
the animal welfare groups will be unhappy with that, but
I think the realistic situation is that coals need to
do that just to keep the cost of living down
a bit.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Chris, very similar to our arable farmers in this country.
Your guys, your cropping farmers are facing tough times.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Yeah, well, they're facing good times in terms of the season.
They're talking about a fifty five million ton total crop
this year, which you know, which is pretty that's a
that's I think about the third highest crop for some time.
But the wheak prices are falling like a stone. They're
down to three hundred and fourteen dollars a ton this
(31:09):
week and an hour down to the pre COVID laws
almost of twenty twenty. So this is a big problem
because they're saying that three hundred and fourteen dollars a
ton is below their cost of production and they just
can't carry on. Obviously, the cost of production are getting
up all the time with fertilizer cost fuel costs. I'm
sure you got exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Barley.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Canola prices are also falling, and even crop chickpea prices
even though the Indians have now opened up their market
again to putting chickpeas in and there's been a huge
acreage planting the chick keys particularly in northern New South Wales.
But those prices are also falling down at the moment.
So it's it's you know, either damned if you do
(31:51):
and damned if you don't. But I suppose there's more
money in having crop to sell, but you've got to
make money out.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Of it as well. I know in a passlot you
were a member of the Sydney Olympic Stadium. Used to
go along to all the tests. In fact, you and
I went along to one. I think you buggers might
have won too. Chris and the Bledderslow Are you going
along on Saturday? Is it Saturday? Are you're playing Argentina?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
Now I'm sadly I am not going along, but I'll
be certainly glued to the TV watching. It should be
a good game, I tell you what. All the interests
coming on the Bledisloe Cup this year though, Jamie, I
mean we got the job ahead of it. We've got
to win twice, but nonetheless we've certainly got a side
and I think everyone is looking forward to that. So
(32:35):
this will be another prelude. A good game last week
and I think another good game I think coming up
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Great finish last weekend indeed, it's very exciting the Rugby Championship.
Really looking forward to it. Okay, Chris, we'll catch you
next week and I've run out of time. I want
to talk to what talk about what Elon Musk is
doing to make phone coverage universal and the Aussie outback.
That's something for next week. See you then, no worries,
Yeah we have it is ten away from one. You
(33:03):
are with the country. Some of your feedback. Beef animals
sold for seven dollars per kilogram live weight down on
South And three weeks ago. My text has said the
market is beyond crazy. Here's another one on the trees.
Jamie could do with some commas on this one. My
friend Andrew, But anyhow, thanks for texting. And he said,
(33:23):
just got a quote on trees twenty five years ago.
Fifty k a heck there, now ten k a heck there?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Is that what you mean? Andrew? A waste of time
planting pine trees, even with carbon credits, he says. And
before I forget seeing I almost Michelle actually forgot Isuzu. Yep,
it's good working with you, Michelle. Michelle forgot the Isuzu liner,
but we made good on that one and I don't
want to forget our friends at farm Strong. So every
(33:52):
year fifteen thousand farmers boost their well being thanks to
farm Strong. If you want to live well and farm well,
head to the farm Strong webs site this weekend. That's
farmstrong dot co dot in z to find out what
works for you and lock it in Eddie Barry Soper
to wrap the country next clown, Well, let's wrap the
(34:27):
country with our political editor, Barry Soper nine to eleven.
Charlie Kirk, Stewart, Nash, Tom Phillips, Tacooter Ferris. Where do
we start, Barry.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Well, probably the worst was Tom Phillips. Of course he
was described as a monster by the Minister of Police
Mark Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Hey, Barry, Barry, and I know these rumors are circulating
and nothing's confirmed. That's the giveaway that the rumors widely
circulating are true.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Surely, Yeah, well, you know, obviously I know a lot
that I can't say, Jamie, but this man, certainly, you know,
he was not the kindly father that probably people think
he was, and that's probably going a bit far, but not.
The other thing is takuta feris. I mean, the man
(35:20):
I don't know what he was doing at midnight when
he posted this peace on Facebook. I had a log
at it and he was very deliberate, but very slow,
and said what would be described in some quarters as
quite racist things. Now, the leadership of the party had
apologized for his first out verset saying that ethnic minorities
(35:45):
had no right campaigning for Labor in a Moldy seat,
which of course is absolute rubbish. Anybody can campaign for anybody.
But they apologize for that. But we've heard nothing of
them since. He not only doubled down, he tripled down
on what he had originally said. So I don't know
what this man's future is like with the Maldi Party,
(36:07):
but he holds handsomely the whole of the South Art
and the seat that was with the Terry Cartiney Sullivan's
for I think seventy odd years.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
What about political futures, what about Stuart Nash with New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
First, well, you know, you'd have to wonder where the
comment came from when it's not even as you and
I were talking earlier, Jamie, you wouldn't hear it in
a bar room, you know, between boys describing what he
sees as a woman. It was very bad choice. But
(36:43):
I think you know, given that he's been in trouble
before he spoke at the New Zealand First Conference. He
and Winston Peters seemed to get on pretty well, although
Winston wouldn't like the comment he made. I would think
you'll see him on the New Zealand First Ticket next year.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Movie times great Hairler. Now, if you were born after
World War Two, you and I both are, but were
proud baby boomers. Nine to eleven. Was the biggest event
of your life? Winston? Of course you mentioned was born
before the end of the World War Two. Just I've
got thirty seconds, Barry, what are your collections? It is
the biggest event of our lifetime? Surely?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes? Well.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I was called from modem ole Selpham mates in New
York the late end. Phillips called me and he said,
turn on your television in the middle of the night,
and I did and saw the horror of the planes
crashing into the buildings. Chrisphin Layson was a neighbor of
mine and he came over in the early hours of
the morning and we all watched it unfolding together. And
(37:42):
it was very difficult to explain to my boys, who
were very young at the time, just exactly what had happened.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, today, none of us will ever forget Barry Soper.
Thanks for your time and don't try and cross the
Harbor Bridge this weekend. We'll see you later.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Nice talking you, Jamie, Barry.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Soper wrapping the Country. Great day, Go the wires, go
the all Blacks. Catch on Monday, catch.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
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