November 23, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie talks to Jim Ward, Paul Paynter, Andrew Hoggard and Grant McCallum, Dr Jacqueline Rowarth, and Phil Duncan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Now Red Good Afternoon, Gray, New Zealand. This is the Country.
I'm Jamie mckaye. The show is brought to you by
Brandt Guns and Roses. To kick off the show today,
Michelle wanted me to play some tool. Couldn't bring the
South to do that. November rain. I think of cold
November rain. Any sort of rain in November's welcome by farmers.
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We're going to head to the Hawks Bay shortly catch
up with the chief executive of the Yummy Fruit Company.
I wonder how they're getting on the orchardousts without the rain. Monji,
They've got irrigation. So we're going to have a look
at the state of the apple industry. But we're going
to kick off the show today with the former manager
of New Zealand's biggest farm, Molesworth, Jim Ward, opening up
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on wilding Pines and is parting of the ways with Pamu.
Today's Farmer Politician panel. This should be fun. Andrew Hogart
and Grant McCallum are. The MP's rich list is out,
Andrew Hoggard's on it. Grant isn't. Sue's redmain, a big
farming operation in the Rangatiki region is top of the pops,
(01:34):
ahead of Luxon, and Barbara Krueger is third placed. So
we're going to talk about some of these. It's interesting
that farmer politicians hold two of the top three positions.
Is there a leadership spill on with Christopher Luxen and
I see Safeer calling for Andrew Hoggard to be stripped
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of his ministerial portfolio. Portfolio over at Pharaoh and crates,
Jacqueline Rowath taking Cop thirty to task. What a gas
bag talk fest that was. And Phil Duncan. If we
get time, we'll try and dish up some cold November
rain for you. It's all on the country. It's all
brought to you by brains. I've been wanting to catch
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up with this gentleman for quite a while. His name
is Jim Ward. He's the former manager of Molesworth Station,
had a parting of the ways with Parmu. He's limited
as to what he can say about that. We might
come back to Palmu and Molesworth, Jim, but I want
to talk to you about a subject near and dear
to your own heart, and a real issue on Molesworth Station,
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and that is wilding pines. In fact, it's a real
issue right around the country. How are we going to
solve this problem?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Well, Jamie, it's one that's sort of read its head
for quite some years now. I've been on in the
member of the Wading Pine network since or for twenty
odd years, and it slid. He got incrementally worse and worse,
but the balls rolling getting bigger and rolling faster. Since
two the end and sixteen we've had one hundred and
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seventy million spent on wirling points, predominantly in the south
of Oland. You've got the Walker, the basin, mid Dome,
the McKenzie base in Melbouro. Even part of molds were
quite exercizeable. Part of molds we've had points, so a
lot of money spent, but near the funding has dried
up pretty much to ten million a year and we
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have got a real parlam in front of us. It's
really bad.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, I know, I say the Acting Chief Executive of
Environment South and he was commenting on the Wirding pints.
In this case, I think the Douglas furs at mid
Dome in Northern Southland beautiful country, but it's getting overtaken
by the Douglas. First, he's saying an extra twenty five
million per annum is needed on top of the twenty
million already being spent, and it sounds from what you're
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saying is that we might struggle to get that.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
True.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
What we're advocating through federated farmers in the Walding Pine Networks,
we need, we need to base sign a fifty mil
per and that because we have funding has been limited
to ten million a year for since twenty twenty three
twenty four. We're down to a level where we're going
to have to spend money getting back to where we were,
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which is around that twenty five mil just to get
back and then you've got mid Dome is another one
speaking with her at Roy, the staunch south Under that
he is, he fully understands the gravity of the issue
down there, all I mean, and one of the worst
things with that is a lot of us Douglas fair
as you say, so that's only going to get worse
before it gets better, and we need to spend money
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right across the country. But it's one of the things
that really gets me. One of our Andrew Simpson, the
former member of the High Country Federal and the Farmers,
did a study on the water quality, sorry, the water
take for hydro electricity. If wilding pines become all to
war on the Mackenzie Basin, it's a fifty percent we drop.
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Fifty percent of the water available for hydro electricity we drop,
and that would flow on right through the country through
lack of pair et cetera. So it's huge. Doesn't get smaller.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's a huge issue. Or what do you say to
the people who are suggesting, why don't we lock the
wilding pines up and claim the carbon credits?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Well, I said to a politician some years ago that
said that to me, and I said that answers the
question as to why Jesus was born in Wellington. They
couldn't find three wise men A reverted.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All right, we'll leave it at that one. I know
you're limited on what you can say about Pamu, but
I ran into you because we're old schoolmates. At the
Primary Industry Awards last year July. I think of last year,
you were full of beans. You were organizing one of
your high country field days. Next day you're out of
a job.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It was that sudden, correct, Yeah, A as I sort
of say, now, I will never get over it, but
I'll get around it. It's just there. You just got
to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Talk to me about Molesworth, the country's biggest farm. What
are we looking at? One hundred and eighty thousand hectares
over half a million acres. What was your plan for it?
Because I thought initially, anyhow, Palm, who was in your
corner on this one?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean the not for profit option was floated
by a group of visidents that we had politicians or
retired politicians, et cetera. But it resonated very well with
maybe because what we were trying to do was come
up with a way of keeping Molesworth into the future
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and giving it heritage state, giving the farming operation heretage states,
and setting up as are not for profits so you
don't pay rent, you don't pay rights if you think
it's player back into the property was going to be
quite a useful way of going into the future. And
then also with that having the public understanding this fully
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that this is the eland. So this is the property
gets knocked after for them and perpetuity.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Because it's very much a jewel where it was very
much a jewel and the tourism Crown people taking four
wheel drive trips through Molesworth.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
It still is.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I mean when I first went there, the road was
open for six weeks and now it's open from one
October through to the end of Aprils. So there's a
lot goes on there. It's not safe country every day
of the year to hit the publican but that when
you can hit them, it's fine. The public head to
the day, they don't just subtract to it to track
from it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
How big a problem at Wilding Pines on Molesworth.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Oh huge, I mean we were spending well, I think
we've spent four million this year through MPI money. Yeah,
it's it's huge, and I mean just to creep. One
of the big problems is we've got a block called
the Branch Leave and which is fifty thousand hectares have planted,
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originally planted pintes that have seeded, and that's right on
our Bami on the windward side. So we're getting huge,
huge influx from there and that's causing all sorts of issues.
You know, we just can't you can't stop it. So
that's a real problem. The creep from over those ridge
lines of the windward side, it's just huge.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Palmu, of course, doesn't own Molesworth. Doc owns it. Palm
leases it off Doc. I think the lease is set
to run out next year. But does DOC drop the
ball here?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh that's a load of questions.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, I know, I'll put it this way. I know
examples of other pieces of land that Dock's in charge
of and they've reverted to gorse and broom.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I look this as a nationwide I think DOC do
a wonderful job in the national parks. I think farm
land is not an area they have a lot of expertise,
and they've got a set budget, and it just simply
doesn't stretch far enough. I see the thing about Moldworth
in particular. It's home by you, me and everyone else
that DOC have a manigect role. There is has to
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part partner with the farming entity. So well you know
it's going to change the dune apparently. So yeah, it's
it's a bit, it's a bit weird, But I think
nationwide we've got to think about what we do with
all their conservation, man, is like one of the things
that feeds have put forward is and we've started to
gain a bit attraction is the grazing of retired conservation.
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Then because one year didn't come from the grazing at least,
but two you get a bit of weed control, particularly
wildly buying control from the target a grazing of certain years,
of certain times of year. We're not talking opening up
the whole of the South Island high country. Stop farming
then your talk important target area. So there's some opportunities
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here which I think we've.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Got to work.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Good on you mate, Thank you very much for your time.
Go well and good luck with your new venture next year.
That's coming up. More about that next year.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you mate.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Thanks Jim or James as he was back in the
seventies when we played forty together in the first fifteen
at Saint Peter's College, good bloke and as old man
Ron played Test match rugby for the All Blacks as
a ford and a back. Useless information for you now.
Someone has a text that came in on Friday and
I didn't get to it about Tall. Our Online editor
(10:39):
Jane Ferguson was up in Auckland for the weekend watching
or listening to Tall. I've never heard of Tall, but
Paul sent me a text saying if ac DC, who
we played on Friday, and Pink Floyd had a baby,
they'd call it Tall. Play it, you'll love it, says Paul. Okay,
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we'll play a wee bit a tool. When Michelle wanders
in here, I'll make her suffer as well. But up
next it's apples and the prospect of apples and the
Hawk's Bay growing too big. Paul Painter from the Yummy
Fruit Company next.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
In the Governor.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We're heading to the Hawk's Bay now to talk apples
with the chief executive of the Yummy Fruit Company, Paul Painter.
Always good to catch up with you, Paul. On the
country very dry and Hawks Bay at the moment. But
I'm assuming if you're an apple grower and you've got
a good supply to water, you'll be loving this weather.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Absolutely, We've had a very warm spring. We really had
no spring frosts in the apple bloom and warm conditions afterwards.
So we've set up probably an okay crop, a little
bit light in places, but yeah, it's going to be big. Size,
clean fruit, and it's been a great spring.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Can the apples grow too big?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Oh yeah, we're really worried about that. We're doing some
measurements now and they're extraordinarily large. Yes, they can grow
too big. The typical consumer in most countries doesn't want
enormous apple. They like big apples and gift market in China,
they like them, in Taiwan, they like it. In the US,
but with a fifteen percent tariff, not so keen. So yeah,
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growing too many big apples could be our challenge.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, you need to get a rub like the Kiwi
fruit industry's got. Paul Trump dropped their tariffs.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah, well, I don't produce a lot of queyfruit over there,
and so they rely on imports. So tropicals dropping the
taift beef they're short of beef, so they're dropping the tariff.
And apples. No luck so far.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You're talking about big apples. What about little apples? Now,
I know this is not your brand, but Rocket apples
they're in a spot of bother financially or I read anyhow.
And of course they did the three Wii apples and
the plastic sleeve, but a packaging involved there, but it
was a good product.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Oh, innovative, really progressive, barrier breaking. Really liked what they
were doing, but they've probably started a bit too many
and it's misaligned drivers. Really. The company owns intellectual property
and marketing, and so the more at plants, the more
license fees that gets. It was charging one hundred grand
a hectea or whatever the plant, So there's a huge
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incentive to plant too much in that environment, and so
they've done so, and now they're struggling. And obviously the
global economy is softening a bit, perhaps the Chinese dumbing down,
like a lot of consumers buying something a little bit cheaper.
So they've got a challenge at present.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Is the apple industry doing well.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Oh, very mixed, very mixed. The two Shining Lights or
were Rocket at that super premium end of the market,
and then probably the big export Apple for tng envy,
but they've had some browning issues and I think rauturns
will be a bit disappointing for indye growers this year.
But there are some Lisa Lights from there. We grow
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in Browsure, it's gone very well. Bigger companies like mister
Apple grow Dazzle that's gone well for export, So there's
some things that have gone exceptionally well and certainly some roadbumps.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I was reading that two of New Zealand's most successful
apple exports, Jazz and Envy, and you've talked about Envy,
are celebrating their forty year anniversary because I think it
was way back in nineteen eighty five, with good old
days of the DSIR they started to develop these apple
breeds and I think they were sort of a cross
between what a Royal Gala and a brayburn.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, that's right. My father was integrally involved in shipping
those around the world and developing that program many years
ago now. But yeah, the good varieties both very good apples.
And I went to see Grow in the UK a
few months ago. I said, what's your number one performing
variety and he said Jazz out of New Zealand. That's
good news. So they're going well. Jazz not so good
(15:03):
here struggles for yield and size, but Envy's still a
very good apple. And in terms of the brand recognition
and the perception in Asia is really well regarded.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Do people ever grow the old fashioned varieties that I
grew up with as a kid. Granny Smith Cox of orange,
lovely apples but a tartness about them.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
We grow quite a lot of Granny Smith and it's
good Coli brake on that soupnuket shehelf, and pretty good
for the winter pies. But you know, our market is
changing with emmigration. There's certainly more sweet apples out there
now than they were out of export market really is Asia.
It's probably about seventy five percent of exports now and
it'd be higher again if we were instill growing some
(15:43):
of those tart apples. But I think it's a big
future for in some segment of the market for a
tart piece of fruit, and so certainly looking out for
varieties that offer offer that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Paul Painter with a chief executive of the Yummy Fruit
Company out of Hawks Bay. Final question for you, because
we've been chatting to you ever since Gabrielle. How's the
recovery going? Does it ever finish?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Oh? Well, certainly not for a decade or so.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
People can see the environment recovering, and that recovers quicker
than the balance sheets. The biggest impact from Gabrielle is
balance sheet destruction. I mean we probably lost overnight ten
million dollars worth of their sets and subsequently probably another
ten million dollars with a cash So if your family
business and you lose twenty million, you're in a whole
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lot of trouble. So it'll take us a decade of
hard work and hopefully good luck to care our way
back to where we were. But certainly the sun shining
and we're trading well, and then Farling, you just have
to keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Exactly if it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
I hope your apples don't grow too big and the
hawks may their Paul Painter from the Yummi Fruit Company
always good to catch up on the country. Thanks Sammy
twenty seven after twelve. Thanks Paul. We'll see if we
can get some rain for you. Going towards the end
of the show, Phil Duncan and with the weather Jacquelin
rowe hath written a really good piece on Cop thirty.
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What a waste of space that is fifty six thousand
people to achieve what other than a huge carbon footprint.
But up next it is the Farmer Panel, Grant McCullum
Andrew Hoggard. One of them's on the rich list, but
which one? Okay, Today's Farmer Panel Andrew Hoggard ACT MP,
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actualist MP, associate agg Minister by Security Minister, although safe
don't want him to have that job for much longer.
And Grant McCullum North and Northland MP for the NATS
and obviously a pauper. Grant, you didn't make the Parliamentary
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rich list. Good afternoon, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Good afternoon, Jamie. No, yes, yes, we have a fat
semi farming structure up here in a trust and all
that sort of stuff, but no, some of us are
Norton clearly doesn't make the grade in terms of some
of my other farming college. But boy haven't done well.
It's great to see farming represented so well in parliament.
Successful farming.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well. We look at the politician's rich list. Sue's Redmain
is at number one with twenty four million bucks worth.
Barbara Krueger, lovely woman Barbara, is in third place with
eleven point five million coming in, and second is the
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon with just over fifteen. The good
news is, Andrew Hoggard, you are on the rich list,
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and you're ahead of Winston, and you're your farm is
worth more than lucks those houses.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, well I think they may have already given me
my firents half of the farm that I'm just in
the process actually are buying off my parents. So maybe
you know they've gone forward a year and two, but
also missing the small little matter of a mortgage. So yeah,
well m.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, I might have to ring sus up and see
if they've got on mortgage. I watched it interestingly and
I got I've got Susan's phone number from Grant because
I was I was. I was watching an old country
calendar on Friday and it was on I think it's
Tunnel Hill. Their properties called on the coast there they
do the coastal lamb or whatever, a fascinating farming operation,
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the Redmins.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Yeah, well known the Hill.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Ye know.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
They certainly haven't been really success. I've got a mile
of Jamie running a business overseas that coastal land development.
I've done marking lamb around the world. That's really impressive.
That's it's hard yards and I've done really well. They
deserve all the success yet with that sort of exporting.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, okay, so just back to the rich list on
a hark on about this, Andrew, you are ahead of
Winston even if you've got mom and dad's share of
the farm. He's an eleventh spot. But it's not that
long ago that Winston was flat broke because of all
the litigation he was going through. But he's he's probably
married quite well or partnered quite well these days, has he? Andrew?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
I have no idea, but I guess the lesson for
me is stay out of legal problems and that. But
at the same time, I mean, quite frankly, don't we
want our country having people in charge and running it
they're actually successful that have done the hard yards, that
have know what hard work is required to build up
wealth and create jobs and opportunity. I would have thought
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that the ideal leadership we need for this country.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, grant you aren't the only one who didn't make
the top twenty. That no Green or to party Mary's
made the top twenty.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Yeah, I heard one political commentator this morning. Oh you can't.
We don't want people they're out of touch with reality.
But to to Andrew's point, we want people to know
how to make things work and get ahead and so
we can leave the country that way.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Isn't that what we need?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
And by the way, we have got a House of representatives,
So you want people from across the spectrum involved. You
don't want to exclude people because they're successful. Doesn't that
defeat the purpose of a democracy in our parliament?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Grant, are you involved in the back room murmurings for
the lux and leadership line.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
I was just waiting for this nonsense. Honestly, I have
never heard so much nonsense. It's just crazy stuff. I
don't know where all your colleagues get time. They must
be bored sitting around having a beer or whatever, trying
to work out what they're going to write their columns on.
There is no murmurings. The Prime Minister is doing a
great job and by the way, made a great announcement
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in the weekend about our key. We say the policy
which will be which we're going to look to phase
in and increase it to six percent from employers and
employees over the next few years to twenty thirty two.
So we just getting on with running the country and
focusing on leading us next year in the election, because
the Prime Minister will lead us in that campaign and
do a great job.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
See, I think the Prime Minister's not being helped by
Andrew's boss or Shane Jones's boss. They're kind of cannibalizing
the national vote Andrew Highgarter or is that all part
of the master plan?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Well, coming end of the day, everyone's got a right
to vote for whichever party they like and the policies
they like in the day are Our focus is on
keeping the government we've got, just making it better with
a few more acting piece there.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Well, we quite hap have a few more nats, you know,
just to level the place out. We need a few
adults in the rooms of creating all these issues. But no,
it's been the toll.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
This is working well.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
And yes we're three different parties, but that's the beauty
of it. We all challenge each other and get better
outcomes to the country.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You're only rated in the top twenty issues as more
capable than labor at two out of twenty. You have
got some problems, Grant.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Actually, what it reflects, Jamie, is the fact we've been
through a tough winter. The economy has been tough, particularly
for those Northland. I get that, we all understand that.
But you will start to see some movement around the country.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I went recently to the Hospitality Awards in Northland and
the Hospitality sect are telling me up there they give
the forward bookings a good things are looking good for
the summer. They're now at the sharp end of any recovery,
so I think that's a really good sign. And industrate's
coming down during our good economic management is what's going
to help drive the ten things around.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And hopefully another interstrate drop of this week with the
OCR announcement grant. Let's try Andrew Hoggard. Safe want rid
of you, they say during your tenure as Minister responsible
for Animal welfare, and this is to quote their minister,
Hoggart has gained a reputation for ignoring independent animal welfare science.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, yes, I have ignored vegans quite lot. The say
said dude is basically, if you're not a vegan, then
we're not interested in hearing from you. I think they've
been caught out many times advertising jobs where you have
to be a vegan to work for them. But honestly,
and if you look at some of the other animal
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rights or animal welfare stuff I've done. Dog tethering. We
worked primarily with Arish PCA on that to come up
with you know, we had a piece of regulation from
the previous government that just wasn't workable and we worked
with Irish PCA to come up with something that was workable.
So I listened to them on that one. You know,
with foreign crates, it's been a case of ye had
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their say. During the consultation period with Nawak, I was
left with the decision as to whether I still wanted
to see a sustainable pork industry in New Zealand. We'll
have it go completely broke, quite frankly. So I chose
to maintain a pork industry in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okay, And final word from the period, I'm running out
of time really quickly. How's the season's going. Last time
I chatted to you, you just gotten the silence off grant.
Have you made a cameo appearance on the Northland Farm
at all?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Well, I'm a cameo appearance today, but I'm sitting inside
taking submissions on the Fast Track Amendment bill. So I'm
just looking at the nice green grass that's growing and
the stick silence parents coming back. Now the farm's taking
you along, Okay. The team are doing great job and
I'll give them the credit, not me.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Sure you should get off your ass, get out there
and do a bit more work. You might get on
the rich list. Then look Andrew, I know the season's
going okay in the manner what to Thanks for being
good sports as always you two. Yes, and Andrew, try
and be nicer to say they're only doing their job.
And an apologies to any vegans who were listening to
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the show. We I suspect there's probably not that many.
Up Next, Michelle's going to wander in here. We're going
to punish you with a bit of all music that'll
get me in trouble again. Before the end of the hour,
Jaquiline Row with a Woman after my Own Heart, getting
stuck into Cop thirty and Big Phil Duncan on the weather.
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Speaker 3 (27:34):
Good afternoon, Michellen's and the text line yes it's going
off well. Look Grant McCallum's a good mate and I
just like taking the mickey out of them. He normally
takes it in good humor. It's some of that, some
of those some of that commentary is in jest.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
Have you got my mic on?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I've just turned it on? I think no, I've turned
it on. There you're ready to go. Actually, just before
we go, we've finally got the artwork departments. Finally got
the art work for our Southern Storm shout to be
held this Thursday at the Woodhead Farm, Nijo and Lean's.
It's a level flat halfway between Milton and Balclusa three
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to seven pm. Emerson's tiny pubs there spate spars. There
are Milton Lions doing the barbie meat supplied by silver
Fin Farms, thank you very much. We've got a coffee
cart and an ice cream cart there as well, and
we might even have some of the Bold hop oil
infused New Zealand pilsner. Yes, the Emerson's mackais A. Hopefully.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Oh very exciting. I've been what did you call it,
dictated to to sober drive so I'll get to drive
the highlights.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Excited You've been asked to drive the Highlarks down there. Well,
Darrel might drive it. We've got a crew going down.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I'd rather drive it, to be honest, I don't mind
driving that thing. Special treat for me.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
There you go, right heo. So what do we got
on rural news, ryal news.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
It's just an actually Tikouiti Shira. Jack Fagan has proved
right on song. He's defended one of the world's biggest
speech shit titles Spearheading and New Zealand cleanup of major
prizes and on Saturday and Wagga Wagga in New South Wales.
He stripped his final lamb and seventeen point thirty two seconds,
which is very impressive to claim Australian ten thousand dollars
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first prize and a trip to Wales in July.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
When you realize what the exchange rate, it's like about
eighty seven cents at the moment. That's going to cash
out nicely. I guess he's got to pay some tax
on it, because ten grand Ozzie will be worth eleven
or twelve New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
Yeah, no, well done Jack. And the woman's title was
one with a time of twenty six second twenty six
point eight eight seconds by Waggawaga beas Sasha Bond, who
actually is originally from Palmston, North and was based in
Pulpool when she set the nine hour Lambs record of
seven hundred and twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And Southland well yes, and she's a great She has
a great sharing rivalry with another south great Southland Lass
Meghan Megan Whitehead. So Sasha Bond Meghan Whitehead both champion sharers.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
This till.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Come back to Tall. I better do the I'll do
the sports news, shall I?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You better sports on the country with AFCO business Well.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Done even without tennis world number two Yannick Singer, Italy's
claimed a third consecutive Davis Cup tennis title, beating Spain
in the final in Bologna. Did I get that right?
That's in South America, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah? Is it Columbia? Anyhow, christ Church has been called
in as a host city for the League World Cup
next October and November, hosting a double header involving the
Kiwis and the Kiwi Ferns at the Pool stage. Of course,
they'll have the big new stadium this time next year,
and Arsenal's built a healthy six point lead at the
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top of the Premier League Football table following a four
to one humbling of Tottenham Hotspur at home Manchester United,
Neverton Poloschoff match day twelve tomorrow morning. Poloschoff match day
twelve tomorrow morning. What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Does it mean it's funny?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well, they must be pitted against each other. Who writes
this stuff. I've been getting quite a bit of stick
at home about the old sports news reading criticism. Yeah,
harsh criticism, brutal criticism. It doesn't help when we have
Andy McDonald on, you know, like when he's paneling for
us in Auckland. He's a professional sports news reader. I'm not.
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I'm just a broken down south and sheep farmer with
the starter up next. Someone who's much smarter than me.
And she's written a column for us. It's on our
website The Country dot co dot in z. It is
doctor Jacqueline Rowath having a shot at cop thirty and
Greta can't wait fortnightly. She writes a column for us
(31:53):
on our website The Country, dot co dot in z.
She's one of our leading primary sector academics. The name
is doctor Jaqueline rowethul and if you don't mind a
compliment on a Monday. This is one of your better efforts,
and not that your other efforts aren't good, but this
is good because you were scratching an itch for me
with this column. You put the boot. You put the
boot into the COP thirty conference that's just finished after
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eleven days of blah blah blah, as Greta would put
it in Brazil, what are these achieve?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
That's the issue. Lots of people doing their best to
do good work, but what actually comes out of it
in terms of hard stuff, not very many things, because
it all costs too much. And that's why we have
thesil fuel people, the big lobby there saying don't do this,
it will screw the global economy. It's why we've got
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New Zealand there saying we're doing our very best and
yes we've put our goals are slightly more practical than
they were before. It doesn't mean we're not still trying,
but that it doesn't always go down very well with
the activists.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, fifty six Elson were registered for Brazil. COP twenty
nine had also had fifty six COP twenty eight that
was the mother of all cops eighty four thousand. You
can't get that many people in a room or online
and ever ever come to some consensus.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
No, and you can't even have the accommodation and proper
facilities for them. And so by then they were trucking people,
I mean coaching people to other places so that they
could get together. It just becomes a fossilsy orbananza. I
would have thought, with all people being transported about the globe,
I would.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Love to know the carbon footprint of these cop conferences. Look,
we got a fossil award, didn't we in Brazil for
changing our methane targets reductions from twenty four to forty
seven to fourteen to twenty four, which is still going
to be quite onerous but totally sensible.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yes, And that was the point the government tried to make,
is that we are trying to provide food to most
of the rest of the world. Ninety five percent of
everything we produce in terms of animal protein is exported,
and of course it doesn't feed the world, but we
produce that food for very low greenhouse gas impacts, and
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that makes it quite difficult to do anymore without affecting
food production. And that was the point of the Paris
Agreement in twenty fifteen. We are doing everything we can,
We're maintaining food production, but there is a tipping point
and if we go over that, then the whole of
the economy is affected. And we just have to go
back and say, in New Zealand, what matters to people most,
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it's the cost of living and that's food, rent, all
of those sorts of things. And actually climate change is
about eights on the list, not one.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Is there a bigger Is there a bigger punisher in
the world than greater Tonberg pot?
Speaker 7 (34:52):
How dare you, I guess, stolen my dreams? Well, we
just need to think about what she thought her dream
really were, because everybody has the dream of a good life,
a better life, and the parents and the grandparents tried
to make a better life for their children, and they've
given them education if they actually go to school, and
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that the education, the science, the engineering, the technology, that
is what is going to make our lives even better.
So let's stick with school and get some details.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, I reckon, Greta must have bunked off quite a
few days weeks years of school.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Yes, yes she did, and she's now at Vartaday. Except
that of course she's over the holidays. She's been trying
to save warring nations as well. So she is unusual
and she's doing what she thought was right at the time.
But sometimes, just like with pop, we need to say
done it, darlings or doune it people. Let's try a
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different process for actually getting some agreements about what we
can do for the future.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I want to quote Paula Bennett when it comes to
Greta zip it sweetie. All Right, that's my thoughts, my
thoughts on it. See you later.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Oh dang five.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thanks Jack. Well, I'm going to wrap the show with
Phil Duncan on the weather.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Weather on the country with farmlands helping to prevent parasite
outbreaks this summer.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Phil Duncan wraps the Country for a Monday, our resident
weather man. Two questions for you, Pel. Firstly, we're the
forecast for South Otago for Thursday for the Southern storm shout.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
There is a cold front coming through on Thursday. That's
twenty three degrees before the cold front comes in, maybe
some weather arriving, So you need to keep up today
with the Rural Weather website, you can work out the
timing of the rain when it comes on in because
it'll move around a bit. But yeah, cold front coming through,
but warm before that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Okay, we might need to put the tiny pub and
the spate spar under the covered yards. More importantly, and
we've been talking to Paul Painter and Hawk Space still
dry there pell east coast of both islands getting a
bit dry. Now, what are we got coming for those people?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Well, to be honest with you, over the next week
and a half, we're going to be seeing the spring
westerly's return to New Zealand, some very large storms south
of the country. So while we've had a taste of
some Landinia conditions at the north, we're back to the
westerly winds as we go through this week and next week,
so it's going to be warm and hot to some
eastern areas. There'll be some cold changes coming to the
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very south of the South Island and most of the
wet where there will be along the western side of
New Zealand, so those eastern areas may still continue to
try out over the next couple of weeks. We're really
seeing an early start to summer this year, and if
you go by the flowering of the Old Mighty Pahutakawa trees.
I mean, certainly they are flowering now around the North Island.
So this is an early summer this year. Certainly the
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temperatures and mother nature are showing that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, Phil, did you go to Metallica or Tall in
the past week in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I did not. I'm not a big fan of going
out to concerts and stuff. Not really my things.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You're turning into a hermit in your old age. Mates
always like that when I was a teenager. I don't
believe it, Phil, I don't believe it. Thanks for your
time as all. Look, that's today, done and dusted. Tomorrow
a special treat for you on the show. Michael every Rabobanks,
Singapore based global strategist. I call him an alarmist, but
he's always good value. We'll catch you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
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Now Red Good Afternoon, Gray, New Zealand. This is the Country.
I'm Jamie mckaye. The show is brought to you by
Brandt Guns and Roses. To kick off the show today,
Michelle wanted me to play some tool. Couldn't bring the
South to do that. November rain. I think of cold
November rain. Any sort of rain in November's welcome by farmers.
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We're going to head to the Hawks Bay shortly catch
up with the chief executive of the Yummy Fruit Company.
I wonder how they're getting on the orchardousts without the rain. Monji,
They've got irrigation. So we're going to have a look
at the state of the apple industry. But we're going
to kick off the show today with the former manager
of New Zealand's biggest farm, Molesworth, Jim Ward, opening up
(01:13):
on wilding Pines and is parting of the ways with Pamu.
Today's Farmer Politician panel. This should be fun. Andrew Hogart
and Grant McCallum are. The MP's rich list is out,
Andrew Hoggard's on it. Grant isn't. Sue's redmain, a big
farming operation in the Rangatiki region is top of the pops,
(01:34):
ahead of Luxon, and Barbara Krueger is third placed. So
we're going to talk about some of these. It's interesting
that farmer politicians hold two of the top three positions.
Is there a leadership spill on with Christopher Luxen and
I see Safeer calling for Andrew Hoggard to be stripped
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of his ministerial portfolio. Portfolio over at Pharaoh and crates,
Jacqueline Rowath taking Cop thirty to task. What a gas
bag talk fest that was. And Phil Duncan. If we
get time, we'll try and dish up some cold November
rain for you. It's all on the country. It's all
brought to you by brains. I've been wanting to catch
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up with this gentleman for quite a while. His name
is Jim Ward. He's the former manager of Molesworth Station,
had a parting of the ways with Parmu. He's limited
as to what he can say about that. We might
come back to Palmu and Molesworth, Jim, but I want
to talk to you about a subject near and dear
to your own heart, and a real issue on Molesworth Station,
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and that is wilding pines. In fact, it's a real
issue right around the country. How are we going to
solve this problem?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Well, Jamie, it's one that's sort of read its head
for quite some years now. I've been on in the
member of the Wading Pine network since or for twenty
odd years, and it slid. He got incrementally worse and worse,
but the balls rolling getting bigger and rolling faster. Since
two the end and sixteen we've had one hundred and
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seventy million spent on wirling points, predominantly in the south
of Oland. You've got the Walker, the basin, mid Dome,
the McKenzie base in Melbouro. Even part of molds were
quite exercizeable. Part of molds we've had points, so a
lot of money spent, but near the funding has dried
up pretty much to ten million a year and we
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have got a real parlam in front of us. It's
really bad.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, I know, I say the Acting Chief Executive of
Environment South and he was commenting on the Wirding pints.
In this case, I think the Douglas furs at mid
Dome in Northern Southland beautiful country, but it's getting overtaken
by the Douglas. First, he's saying an extra twenty five
million per annum is needed on top of the twenty
million already being spent, and it sounds from what you're
(04:08):
saying is that we might struggle to get that.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
True.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
What we're advocating through federated farmers in the Walding Pine Networks,
we need, we need to base sign a fifty mil
per and that because we have funding has been limited
to ten million a year for since twenty twenty three
twenty four. We're down to a level where we're going
to have to spend money getting back to where we were,
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which is around that twenty five mil just to get
back and then you've got mid Dome is another one
speaking with her at Roy, the staunch south Under that
he is, he fully understands the gravity of the issue
down there, all I mean, and one of the worst
things with that is a lot of us Douglas fair
as you say, so that's only going to get worse
before it gets better, and we need to spend money
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right across the country. But it's one of the things
that really gets me. One of our Andrew Simpson, the
former member of the High Country Federal and the Farmers,
did a study on the water quality, sorry, the water
take for hydro electricity. If wilding pines become all to
war on the Mackenzie Basin, it's a fifty percent we drop.
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Fifty percent of the water available for hydro electricity we drop,
and that would flow on right through the country through
lack of pair et cetera. So it's huge. Doesn't get smaller.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's a huge issue. Or what do you say to
the people who are suggesting, why don't we lock the
wilding pines up and claim the carbon credits?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Well, I said to a politician some years ago that
said that to me, and I said that answers the
question as to why Jesus was born in Wellington. They
couldn't find three wise men A reverted.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All right, we'll leave it at that one. I know
you're limited on what you can say about Pamu, but
I ran into you because we're old schoolmates. At the
Primary Industry Awards last year July. I think of last year,
you were full of beans. You were organizing one of
your high country field days. Next day you're out of
a job.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It was that sudden, correct, Yeah, A as I sort
of say, now, I will never get over it, but
I'll get around it. It's just there. You just got
to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Talk to me about Molesworth, the country's biggest farm. What
are we looking at? One hundred and eighty thousand hectares
over half a million acres. What was your plan for it?
Because I thought initially, anyhow, Palm, who was in your
corner on this one?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean the not for profit option was floated
by a group of visidents that we had politicians or
retired politicians, et cetera. But it resonated very well with
maybe because what we were trying to do was come
up with a way of keeping Molesworth into the future
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and giving it heritage state, giving the farming operation heretage states,
and setting up as are not for profits so you
don't pay rent, you don't pay rights if you think
it's player back into the property was going to be
quite a useful way of going into the future. And
then also with that having the public understanding this fully
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that this is the eland. So this is the property
gets knocked after for them and perpetuity.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Because it's very much a jewel where it was very
much a jewel and the tourism Crown people taking four
wheel drive trips through Molesworth.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
It still is.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I mean when I first went there, the road was
open for six weeks and now it's open from one
October through to the end of Aprils. So there's a
lot goes on there. It's not safe country every day
of the year to hit the publican but that when
you can hit them, it's fine. The public head to
the day, they don't just subtract to it to track
from it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
How big a problem at Wilding Pines on Molesworth.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Oh huge, I mean we were spending well, I think
we've spent four million this year through MPI money. Yeah,
it's it's huge, and I mean just to creep. One
of the big problems is we've got a block called
the Branch Leave and which is fifty thousand hectares have planted,
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originally planted pintes that have seeded, and that's right on
our Bami on the windward side. So we're getting huge,
huge influx from there and that's causing all sorts of issues.
You know, we just can't you can't stop it. So
that's a real problem. The creep from over those ridge
lines of the windward side, it's just huge.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Palmu, of course, doesn't own Molesworth. Doc owns it. Palm
leases it off Doc. I think the lease is set
to run out next year. But does DOC drop the
ball here?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh that's a load of questions.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, I know, I'll put it this way. I know
examples of other pieces of land that Dock's in charge
of and they've reverted to gorse and broom.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I look this as a nationwide I think DOC do
a wonderful job in the national parks. I think farm
land is not an area they have a lot of expertise,
and they've got a set budget, and it just simply
doesn't stretch far enough. I see the thing about Moldworth
in particular. It's home by you, me and everyone else
that DOC have a manigect role. There is has to
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part partner with the farming entity. So well you know
it's going to change the dune apparently. So yeah, it's
it's a bit, it's a bit weird, But I think
nationwide we've got to think about what we do with
all their conservation, man, is like one of the things
that feeds have put forward is and we've started to
gain a bit attraction is the grazing of retired conservation.
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Then because one year didn't come from the grazing at least,
but two you get a bit of weed control, particularly
wildly buying control from the target a grazing of certain years,
of certain times of year. We're not talking opening up
the whole of the South Island high country. Stop farming
then your talk important target area. So there's some opportunities
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here which I think we've.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Got to work.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Good on you mate, Thank you very much for your time.
Go well and good luck with your new venture next year.
That's coming up. More about that next year.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you mate.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Thanks Jim or James as he was back in the
seventies when we played forty together in the first fifteen
at Saint Peter's College, good bloke and as old man
Ron played Test match rugby for the All Blacks as
a ford and a back. Useless information for you now.
Someone has a text that came in on Friday and
I didn't get to it about Tall. Our Online editor
(10:39):
Jane Ferguson was up in Auckland for the weekend watching
or listening to Tall. I've never heard of Tall, but
Paul sent me a text saying if ac DC, who
we played on Friday, and Pink Floyd had a baby,
they'd call it Tall. Play it, you'll love it, says Paul. Okay,
(11:00):
we'll play a wee bit a tool. When Michelle wanders
in here, I'll make her suffer as well. But up
next it's apples and the prospect of apples and the
Hawk's Bay growing too big. Paul Painter from the Yummy
Fruit Company next.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
In the Governor.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We're heading to the Hawk's Bay now to talk apples
with the chief executive of the Yummy Fruit Company, Paul Painter.
Always good to catch up with you, Paul. On the
country very dry and Hawks Bay at the moment. But
I'm assuming if you're an apple grower and you've got
a good supply to water, you'll be loving this weather.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Absolutely, We've had a very warm spring. We really had
no spring frosts in the apple bloom and warm conditions afterwards.
So we've set up probably an okay crop, a little
bit light in places, but yeah, it's going to be big. Size,
clean fruit, and it's been a great spring.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Can the apples grow too big?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Oh yeah, we're really worried about that. We're doing some
measurements now and they're extraordinarily large. Yes, they can grow
too big. The typical consumer in most countries doesn't want
enormous apple. They like big apples and gift market in China,
they like them, in Taiwan, they like it. In the US,
but with a fifteen percent tariff, not so keen. So yeah,
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growing too many big apples could be our challenge.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, you need to get a rub like the Kiwi
fruit industry's got. Paul Trump dropped their tariffs.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah, well, I don't produce a lot of queyfruit over there,
and so they rely on imports. So tropicals dropping the
taift beef they're short of beef, so they're dropping the tariff.
And apples. No luck so far.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You're talking about big apples. What about little apples? Now,
I know this is not your brand, but Rocket apples
they're in a spot of bother financially or I read anyhow.
And of course they did the three Wii apples and
the plastic sleeve, but a packaging involved there, but it
was a good product.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Oh, innovative, really progressive, barrier breaking. Really liked what they
were doing, but they've probably started a bit too many
and it's misaligned drivers. Really. The company owns intellectual property
and marketing, and so the more at plants, the more
license fees that gets. It was charging one hundred grand
a hectea or whatever the plant, So there's a huge
(13:29):
incentive to plant too much in that environment, and so
they've done so, and now they're struggling. And obviously the
global economy is softening a bit, perhaps the Chinese dumbing down,
like a lot of consumers buying something a little bit cheaper.
So they've got a challenge at present.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Is the apple industry doing well.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Oh, very mixed, very mixed. The two Shining Lights or
were Rocket at that super premium end of the market,
and then probably the big export Apple for tng envy,
but they've had some browning issues and I think rauturns
will be a bit disappointing for indye growers this year.
But there are some Lisa Lights from there. We grow
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in Browsure, it's gone very well. Bigger companies like mister
Apple grow Dazzle that's gone well for export, So there's
some things that have gone exceptionally well and certainly some roadbumps.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I was reading that two of New Zealand's most successful
apple exports, Jazz and Envy, and you've talked about Envy,
are celebrating their forty year anniversary because I think it
was way back in nineteen eighty five, with good old
days of the DSIR they started to develop these apple
breeds and I think they were sort of a cross
between what a Royal Gala and a brayburn.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, that's right. My father was integrally involved in shipping
those around the world and developing that program many years
ago now. But yeah, the good varieties both very good apples.
And I went to see Grow in the UK a
few months ago. I said, what's your number one performing
variety and he said Jazz out of New Zealand. That's
good news. So they're going well. Jazz not so good
(15:03):
here struggles for yield and size, but Envy's still a
very good apple. And in terms of the brand recognition
and the perception in Asia is really well regarded.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Do people ever grow the old fashioned varieties that I
grew up with as a kid. Granny Smith Cox of orange,
lovely apples but a tartness about them.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
We grow quite a lot of Granny Smith and it's
good Coli brake on that soupnuket shehelf, and pretty good
for the winter pies. But you know, our market is
changing with emmigration. There's certainly more sweet apples out there
now than they were out of export market really is Asia.
It's probably about seventy five percent of exports now and
it'd be higher again if we were instill growing some
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of those tart apples. But I think it's a big
future for in some segment of the market for a
tart piece of fruit, and so certainly looking out for
varieties that offer offer that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Paul Painter with a chief executive of the Yummy Fruit
Company out of Hawks Bay. Final question for you, because
we've been chatting to you ever since Gabrielle. How's the
recovery going? Does it ever finish?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Oh? Well, certainly not for a decade or so.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
People can see the environment recovering, and that recovers quicker
than the balance sheets. The biggest impact from Gabrielle is
balance sheet destruction. I mean we probably lost overnight ten
million dollars worth of their sets and subsequently probably another
ten million dollars with a cash So if your family
business and you lose twenty million, you're in a whole
(16:31):
lot of trouble. So it'll take us a decade of
hard work and hopefully good luck to care our way
back to where we were. But certainly the sun shining
and we're trading well, and then Farling, you just have
to keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Exactly if it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
I hope your apples don't grow too big and the
hawks may their Paul Painter from the Yummi Fruit Company
always good to catch up on the country. Thanks Sammy
twenty seven after twelve. Thanks Paul. We'll see if we
can get some rain for you. Going towards the end
of the show, Phil Duncan and with the weather Jacquelin
rowe hath written a really good piece on Cop thirty.
(17:07):
What a waste of space that is fifty six thousand
people to achieve what other than a huge carbon footprint.
But up next it is the Farmer Panel, Grant McCullum
Andrew Hoggard. One of them's on the rich list, but
which one? Okay, Today's Farmer Panel Andrew Hoggard ACT MP,
(17:47):
actualist MP, associate agg Minister by Security Minister, although safe
don't want him to have that job for much longer.
And Grant McCullum North and Northland MP for the NATS
and obviously a pauper. Grant, you didn't make the Parliamentary
(18:08):
rich list. Good afternoon, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Good afternoon, Jamie. No, yes, yes, we have a fat
semi farming structure up here in a trust and all
that sort of stuff, but no, some of us are
Norton clearly doesn't make the grade in terms of some
of my other farming college. But boy haven't done well.
It's great to see farming represented so well in parliament.
Successful farming.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well. We look at the politician's rich list. Sue's Redmain
is at number one with twenty four million bucks worth.
Barbara Krueger, lovely woman Barbara, is in third place with
eleven point five million coming in, and second is the
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon with just over fifteen. The good
news is, Andrew Hoggard, you are on the rich list,
(18:51):
and you're ahead of Winston, and you're your farm is
worth more than lucks those houses.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, well I think they may have already given me
my firents half of the farm that I'm just in
the process actually are buying off my parents. So maybe
you know they've gone forward a year and two, but
also missing the small little matter of a mortgage. So yeah,
well m.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, I might have to ring sus up and see
if they've got on mortgage. I watched it interestingly and
I got I've got Susan's phone number from Grant because
I was I was. I was watching an old country
calendar on Friday and it was on I think it's
Tunnel Hill. Their properties called on the coast there they
do the coastal lamb or whatever, a fascinating farming operation,
(19:40):
the Redmins.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Yeah, well known the Hill.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Ye know.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
They certainly haven't been really success. I've got a mile
of Jamie running a business overseas that coastal land development.
I've done marking lamb around the world. That's really impressive.
That's it's hard yards and I've done really well. They
deserve all the success yet with that sort of exporting.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, okay, so just back to the rich list on
a hark on about this, Andrew, you are ahead of
Winston even if you've got mom and dad's share of
the farm. He's an eleventh spot. But it's not that
long ago that Winston was flat broke because of all
the litigation he was going through. But he's he's probably
married quite well or partnered quite well these days, has he? Andrew?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
I have no idea, but I guess the lesson for
me is stay out of legal problems and that. But
at the same time, I mean, quite frankly, don't we
want our country having people in charge and running it
they're actually successful that have done the hard yards, that
have know what hard work is required to build up
wealth and create jobs and opportunity. I would have thought
(20:45):
that the ideal leadership we need for this country.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, grant you aren't the only one who didn't make
the top twenty. That no Green or to party Mary's
made the top twenty.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Yeah, I heard one political commentator this morning. Oh you can't.
We don't want people they're out of touch with reality.
But to to Andrew's point, we want people to know
how to make things work and get ahead and so
we can leave the country that way.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Isn't that what we need?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
And by the way, we have got a House of representatives,
So you want people from across the spectrum involved. You
don't want to exclude people because they're successful. Doesn't that
defeat the purpose of a democracy in our parliament?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Grant, are you involved in the back room murmurings for
the lux and leadership line.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
I was just waiting for this nonsense. Honestly, I have
never heard so much nonsense. It's just crazy stuff. I
don't know where all your colleagues get time. They must
be bored sitting around having a beer or whatever, trying
to work out what they're going to write their columns on.
There is no murmurings. The Prime Minister is doing a
great job and by the way, made a great announcement
(21:48):
in the weekend about our key. We say the policy
which will be which we're going to look to phase
in and increase it to six percent from employers and
employees over the next few years to twenty thirty two.
So we just getting on with running the country and
focusing on leading us next year in the election, because
the Prime Minister will lead us in that campaign and
do a great job.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
See, I think the Prime Minister's not being helped by
Andrew's boss or Shane Jones's boss. They're kind of cannibalizing
the national vote Andrew Highgarter or is that all part
of the master plan?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Well, coming end of the day, everyone's got a right
to vote for whichever party they like and the policies
they like in the day are Our focus is on
keeping the government we've got, just making it better with
a few more acting piece there.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Well, we quite hap have a few more nats, you know,
just to level the place out. We need a few
adults in the rooms of creating all these issues. But no,
it's been the toll.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
This is working well.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
And yes we're three different parties, but that's the beauty
of it. We all challenge each other and get better
outcomes to the country.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You're only rated in the top twenty issues as more
capable than labor at two out of twenty. You have
got some problems, Grant.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Actually, what it reflects, Jamie, is the fact we've been
through a tough winter. The economy has been tough, particularly
for those Northland. I get that, we all understand that.
But you will start to see some movement around the country.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
I went recently to the Hospitality Awards in Northland and
the Hospitality sect are telling me up there they give
the forward bookings a good things are looking good for
the summer. They're now at the sharp end of any recovery,
so I think that's a really good sign. And industrate's
coming down during our good economic management is what's going
to help drive the ten things around.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And hopefully another interstrate drop of this week with the
OCR announcement grant. Let's try Andrew Hoggard. Safe want rid
of you, they say during your tenure as Minister responsible
for Animal welfare, and this is to quote their minister,
Hoggart has gained a reputation for ignoring independent animal welfare science.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, yes, I have ignored vegans quite lot. The say
said dude is basically, if you're not a vegan, then
we're not interested in hearing from you. I think they've
been caught out many times advertising jobs where you have
to be a vegan to work for them. But honestly,
and if you look at some of the other animal
(24:13):
rights or animal welfare stuff I've done. Dog tethering. We
worked primarily with Arish PCA on that to come up
with you know, we had a piece of regulation from
the previous government that just wasn't workable and we worked
with Irish PCA to come up with something that was workable.
So I listened to them on that one. You know,
with foreign crates, it's been a case of ye had
(24:34):
their say. During the consultation period with Nawak, I was
left with the decision as to whether I still wanted
to see a sustainable pork industry in New Zealand. We'll
have it go completely broke, quite frankly. So I chose
to maintain a pork industry in this country.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okay, And final word from the period, I'm running out
of time really quickly. How's the season's going. Last time
I chatted to you, you just gotten the silence off grant.
Have you made a cameo appearance on the Northland Farm
at all?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Well, I'm a cameo appearance today, but I'm sitting inside
taking submissions on the Fast Track Amendment bill. So I'm
just looking at the nice green grass that's growing and
the stick silence parents coming back. Now the farm's taking
you along, Okay. The team are doing great job and
I'll give them the credit, not me.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Sure you should get off your ass, get out there
and do a bit more work. You might get on
the rich list. Then look Andrew, I know the season's
going okay in the manner what to Thanks for being
good sports as always you two. Yes, and Andrew, try
and be nicer to say they're only doing their job.
And an apologies to any vegans who were listening to
(25:35):
the show. We I suspect there's probably not that many.
Up Next, Michelle's going to wander in here. We're going
to punish you with a bit of all music that'll
get me in trouble again. Before the end of the hour,
Jaquiline Row with a Woman after my Own Heart, getting
stuck into Cop thirty and Big Phil Duncan on the weather.
(26:05):
Welcome back to the country. The show's brought to you
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Speaker 1 (27:25):
The country's world news with culd Cadet, New Zealand's leading
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Speaker 3 (27:34):
Good afternoon, Michellen's and the text line yes it's going
off well. Look Grant McCallum's a good mate and I
just like taking the mickey out of them. He normally
takes it in good humor. It's some of that, some
of those some of that commentary is in jest.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
Have you got my mic on?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I've just turned it on? I think no, I've turned
it on. There you're ready to go. Actually, just before
we go, we've finally got the artwork departments. Finally got
the art work for our Southern Storm shout to be
held this Thursday at the Woodhead Farm, Nijo and Lean's.
It's a level flat halfway between Milton and Balclusa three
(28:11):
to seven pm. Emerson's tiny pubs there spate spars. There
are Milton Lions doing the barbie meat supplied by silver
Fin Farms, thank you very much. We've got a coffee
cart and an ice cream cart there as well, and
we might even have some of the Bold hop oil
infused New Zealand pilsner. Yes, the Emerson's mackais A. Hopefully.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Oh very exciting. I've been what did you call it,
dictated to to sober drive so I'll get to drive
the highlights.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Excited You've been asked to drive the Highlarks down there. Well,
Darrel might drive it. We've got a crew going down.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I'd rather drive it, to be honest, I don't mind
driving that thing. Special treat for me.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
There you go, right heo. So what do we got
on rural news, ryal news.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
It's just an actually Tikouiti Shira. Jack Fagan has proved
right on song. He's defended one of the world's biggest
speech shit titles Spearheading and New Zealand cleanup of major
prizes and on Saturday and Wagga Wagga in New South Wales.
He stripped his final lamb and seventeen point thirty two seconds,
which is very impressive to claim Australian ten thousand dollars
(29:13):
first prize and a trip to Wales in July.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
When you realize what the exchange rate, it's like about
eighty seven cents at the moment. That's going to cash
out nicely. I guess he's got to pay some tax
on it, because ten grand Ozzie will be worth eleven
or twelve New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
Yeah, no, well done Jack. And the woman's title was
one with a time of twenty six second twenty six
point eight eight seconds by Waggawaga beas Sasha Bond, who
actually is originally from Palmston, North and was based in
Pulpool when she set the nine hour Lambs record of
seven hundred and twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And Southland well yes, and she's a great She has
a great sharing rivalry with another south great Southland Lass
Meghan Megan Whitehead. So Sasha Bond Meghan Whitehead both champion sharers.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
This till.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Come back to Tall. I better do the I'll do
the sports news, shall I?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You better sports on the country with AFCO business Well.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Done even without tennis world number two Yannick Singer, Italy's
claimed a third consecutive Davis Cup tennis title, beating Spain
in the final in Bologna. Did I get that right?
That's in South America, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah? Is it Columbia? Anyhow, christ Church has been called
in as a host city for the League World Cup
next October and November, hosting a double header involving the
Kiwis and the Kiwi Ferns at the Pool stage. Of course,
they'll have the big new stadium this time next year,
and Arsenal's built a healthy six point lead at the
(30:43):
top of the Premier League Football table following a four
to one humbling of Tottenham Hotspur at home Manchester United,
Neverton Poloschoff match day twelve tomorrow morning. Poloschoff match day
twelve tomorrow morning. What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Does it mean it's funny?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well, they must be pitted against each other. Who writes
this stuff. I've been getting quite a bit of stick
at home about the old sports news reading criticism. Yeah,
harsh criticism, brutal criticism. It doesn't help when we have
Andy McDonald on, you know, like when he's paneling for
us in Auckland. He's a professional sports news reader. I'm not.
(31:24):
I'm just a broken down south and sheep farmer with
the starter up next. Someone who's much smarter than me.
And she's written a column for us. It's on our
website The Country dot co dot in z. It is
doctor Jacqueline Rowath having a shot at cop thirty and
Greta can't wait fortnightly. She writes a column for us
(31:53):
on our website The Country, dot co dot in z.
She's one of our leading primary sector academics. The name
is doctor Jaqueline rowethul and if you don't mind a
compliment on a Monday. This is one of your better efforts,
and not that your other efforts aren't good, but this
is good because you were scratching an itch for me
with this column. You put the boot. You put the
boot into the COP thirty conference that's just finished after
(32:15):
eleven days of blah blah blah, as Greta would put
it in Brazil, what are these achieve?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
That's the issue. Lots of people doing their best to
do good work, but what actually comes out of it
in terms of hard stuff, not very many things, because
it all costs too much. And that's why we have
thesil fuel people, the big lobby there saying don't do this,
it will screw the global economy. It's why we've got
(32:43):
New Zealand there saying we're doing our very best and
yes we've put our goals are slightly more practical than
they were before. It doesn't mean we're not still trying,
but that it doesn't always go down very well with
the activists.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, fifty six Elson were registered for Brazil. COP twenty
nine had also had fifty six COP twenty eight that
was the mother of all cops eighty four thousand. You
can't get that many people in a room or online
and ever ever come to some consensus.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
No, and you can't even have the accommodation and proper
facilities for them. And so by then they were trucking people,
I mean coaching people to other places so that they
could get together. It just becomes a fossilsy orbananza. I
would have thought, with all people being transported about the globe,
I would.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Love to know the carbon footprint of these cop conferences. Look,
we got a fossil award, didn't we in Brazil for
changing our methane targets reductions from twenty four to forty
seven to fourteen to twenty four, which is still going
to be quite onerous but totally sensible.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yes, And that was the point the government tried to make,
is that we are trying to provide food to most
of the rest of the world. Ninety five percent of
everything we produce in terms of animal protein is exported,
and of course it doesn't feed the world, but we
produce that food for very low greenhouse gas impacts, and
(34:15):
that makes it quite difficult to do anymore without affecting
food production. And that was the point of the Paris
Agreement in twenty fifteen. We are doing everything we can,
We're maintaining food production, but there is a tipping point
and if we go over that, then the whole of
the economy is affected. And we just have to go
back and say, in New Zealand, what matters to people most,
(34:36):
it's the cost of living and that's food, rent, all
of those sorts of things. And actually climate change is
about eights on the list, not one.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Is there a bigger Is there a bigger punisher in
the world than greater Tonberg pot?
Speaker 7 (34:52):
How dare you, I guess, stolen my dreams? Well, we
just need to think about what she thought her dream
really were, because everybody has the dream of a good life,
a better life, and the parents and the grandparents tried
to make a better life for their children, and they've
given them education if they actually go to school, and
(35:13):
that the education, the science, the engineering, the technology, that
is what is going to make our lives even better.
So let's stick with school and get some details.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, I reckon, Greta must have bunked off quite a
few days weeks years of school.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Yes, yes she did, and she's now at Vartaday. Except
that of course she's over the holidays. She's been trying
to save warring nations as well. So she is unusual
and she's doing what she thought was right at the time.
But sometimes, just like with pop, we need to say
done it, darlings or doune it people. Let's try a
(35:49):
different process for actually getting some agreements about what we
can do for the future.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I want to quote Paula Bennett when it comes to
Greta zip it sweetie. All Right, that's my thoughts, my
thoughts on it. See you later.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Oh dang five.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thanks Jack. Well, I'm going to wrap the show with
Phil Duncan on the weather.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Weather on the country with farmlands helping to prevent parasite
outbreaks this summer.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Phil Duncan wraps the Country for a Monday, our resident
weather man. Two questions for you, Pel. Firstly, we're the
forecast for South Otago for Thursday for the Southern storm shout.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
There is a cold front coming through on Thursday. That's
twenty three degrees before the cold front comes in, maybe
some weather arriving, So you need to keep up today
with the Rural Weather website, you can work out the
timing of the rain when it comes on in because
it'll move around a bit. But yeah, cold front coming through,
but warm before that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Okay, we might need to put the tiny pub and
the spate spar under the covered yards. More importantly, and
we've been talking to Paul Painter and Hawk Space still
dry there pell east coast of both islands getting a
bit dry. Now, what are we got coming for those people?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Well, to be honest with you, over the next week
and a half, we're going to be seeing the spring
westerly's return to New Zealand, some very large storms south
of the country. So while we've had a taste of
some Landinia conditions at the north, we're back to the
westerly winds as we go through this week and next week,
so it's going to be warm and hot to some
eastern areas. There'll be some cold changes coming to the
(37:20):
very south of the South Island and most of the
wet where there will be along the western side of
New Zealand, so those eastern areas may still continue to
try out over the next couple of weeks. We're really
seeing an early start to summer this year, and if
you go by the flowering of the Old Mighty Pahutakawa trees.
I mean, certainly they are flowering now around the North Island.
So this is an early summer this year. Certainly the
(37:41):
temperatures and mother nature are showing that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, Phil, did you go to Metallica or Tall in
the past week in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I did not. I'm not a big fan of going
out to concerts and stuff. Not really my things.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You're turning into a hermit in your old age. Mates
always like that when I was a teenager. I don't
believe it, Phil, I don't believe it. Thanks for your
time as all. Look, that's today, done and dusted. Tomorrow
a special treat for you on the show. Michael every Rabobanks,
Singapore based global strategist. I call him an alarmist, but
he's always good value. We'll catch you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
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