August 25, 2024 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Toby Williams, David Seymour, Duncan Humm, and Phil Duncan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Away Graine, Zealand and welcome to the Country. Yes, rumors
Oasis are getting back together The Buried the Hatchet and
they might break Tata's record for the most concerts in
a row. It's Wembley. Maybe more about that later, but
we've got some big issues to deal with today. Gonna
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kick it off with Federated Farmers. Toby Williams meeting wool
Chair based out of the East Coat Gisbane region. He's
talking about last week's report. I think we had doctor
Jenny Webster Brown on the show. Off the top of
my head. That was Jenny's name, wasn't it, Yes? And
she was talking well, was the co author of this
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report called why Pines And it was like a white
paper and fads reckon. It may have been published as
a report, but it reads more like a horror story.
For his Zeeland Farmers and rural communities. They might also
touch on the fact that is wall that bad that
farmers are composting it and spreading it on their pastures
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rather than selling it. David Seymour, Act Party leader, should
we be selling off Land Corp slash Palmer? He reckons
we should be the banking inquiry councils as a treaty
principles build dead in the water A farmer panel today.
Craig Hickman and Duncan Hum both out of mid Canterbury.
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Now one's a deer farmer, that's Duncan. One's a dairy farmer,
that's dairy Man Craig Kman. Are they going to be
creaming it? Are they in the clover milk at nine bucks?
Who knows? Venison at ten dollars? And Phil Duncan's our
weather guy as well. We've got the latest and rural
news and sports news for you. How good was lydia
Oh to have a golf swing like Lydia Coe. She
(02:19):
I think she's my favorite golfer, either her or Bryson
de Shambo. There you go, nine after nine after twelve
on the country. Up next Toby Williams to kick it off.
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Last week on the country. You might remember we caught
up with doctor Jenny Webster Brown and we were talking
about the reports she authored or co authored Why Pines.
It was released by Our Land and Water National Science
Challenge and Federated Farmers says it should be a major
wake up for the government. In fact, Toby Williams, Federated
Farmers Meat and woolchair, has said it may have been
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published as a report, but it reads more like a
horror story for New Zealand farmers and rural communities. You're
not overegging this, are you, Toby.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, we're not. We've been talking about this for the
last four or five years and we've seen that actually
paying out on these coasts. We tried to have as
farms a couple of years ago, so we know what
it's going to look like, and we've seen as beef
and antheus coming out a million years down. This is
the consequence of unthought about protection pine trees.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
One of the studies, and this is very worrying, found
that even if there was no carbon price I eat
carbon was worth nothing, one fifth of sheep and beef
country would still need to be converted to pine forest
just to meet these fresh water goals that that's unsustainable.
We're going to go broke.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Understainable. And part of the problem is with the fresh
water rules, we don't understand actually how bad the waterway
that are. We hadn't done enough quality testing that we're
seeing the reports out of the wided Upper where they've
tested a couple of rivers and then extra lade that
out why a computer to all other rivers without actually
going to testing them. So the first step to understanding
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water quality is actually doing some thorough testing over a
sustained period.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
This marginal or not even marginal sheep and beef country,
because some of it's nice rolling sheep and beef country.
Do you will you have to buy the bullet and
admit maybe that pines are a better use for it.
They may not be esthetically, but in terms of an
economic return. Can you make more money growing pines having
a forestry in come down the track and clipping the
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ticket on carbon credits on the way through?
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You can?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And we've seen in the past that if you had
pine trees and pine pine trees in ninety eighties and
your harvested now, you would have made more money on average.
And she can be fun.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
If we fast forward.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Now we're doing we think to be in the cycle
now where we're replanting and putting new conversions going in,
but there's there's nothing to say that there's actually going
to be a market for these trees into the future.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What are we going to do with them?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
We're not adding more value. We've seen mills shut down left,
right and center over the last three or four years
because you know, we're not making pulp and paper anymore,
we're not reading newspapers and things like that. So we
need to understand what is the market for these pine
trees is going to be or is it just going
to be clipping the carbon and we're making a problem
for another generation a three years time.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, I'm worried about the spray and walk away mentality
that was around carbon farming perhaps a couple of years ago,
where people were planting pine tree with a view to
never harvesting them, and that just spells trouble for me,
especially on the east coast of the North Island. If
things get drier with climate change, what's going to stop
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massive forest fires?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, that's it, and we can't you won't stop them
already here on the East Coast and tataphity that if
we get a forest fire, there's not enough resources to
stop it. So what we're going to do is look
after people and communities, make sure we get the evacuated
and let the fire go because it's just a possible.
The country we've got, you can't take heavy equipment into
the air. There's no water resource. It's close enough to
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make it worth while fighting fighting the fires.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So, Toby, the issue you've got is a well federated farmercy.
You're the meat and wool chair have got is that
the economics of sheep farming, especially around wall at the moment,
are awful. And you would have watched Country Calendar last night.
The guy from repost, he's a smart operator. He's spreading
or he's composting his wall is a story in the
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Otago Daily Times today about regenerative farmer in central Otago
who was spreading her wall club just over grass pasture paddocks.
I would have thought it would have choked out the grass,
but there you go.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Has it come to that, well, it seems to doesn't
that it's an absolute chervising. I was really enjoying that
Country Calendar. The guy's got an amazing story. What an
incredible resource they've got down there, and then to be
sharing your seat and something composting it is just heartbreaking,
it really is.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And they've got good.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Peering dale used down there. It's a bit finer than
my Romney strong wall, so they can actually get a
bit of value. But I think it should be a
massive wake up call to all those people working in
the wool industry that when we're saying to you that
people are walking away from wanting seat and wanting to
harvest this wall, then it's actually true. We need solutions,
and we need solutions by the end of this year.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I talked to Kate Ackland last week from Beef and Lamb,
New Zealand, and she seemed to be less concerned, or
that was my perception of it than I was about
the continual decline and our sheep numbers. When I was
a young farmer in the early nineteen eighties we had
over seventy million. We're now down to twenty three million. Well,
eventually we've reach a ceiling or a bottom point, and
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will those remaining in the sheep industry eventually become rich
because there's not going to be many lambs for sale.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, well I'm going to be one of those that
becomes riches. There's not very any lambs for sale with Jamie,
So I think that, yeah, we're going to get to
a point where we've got so much over capacity as
well with our producing plants, that those corporators, the big
corporates are really going to struggle, you know, to keep
to keep profitability, to keep the chains open when we
need them. And you see the shrinking market overseas when
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we get you know, we have a lot less the export.
At the moment, we're probably at the know, just rising
off the bottom of of the cycle and it's going
to try to hold on. But it is really really
worrying that the million sheep we've lost in the last
couple of years is probably only the tip of the iceberg.
I think it's probably another million in net that we
don't know about yet, of those conversions that have taken
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three or four years to come through, as those sheep
finally sort of get out of the system, you know,
and that land's no longer used for that purpose. So
that is a you know, it's a real big concern,
and at some point we're going to reach that tipping
point where we do have a cotage industry proceed and
as an absolute crime considering that our nation was built
off the back of a seat.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, well, we can't get too dewy eyed about history.
You know, things change. But in terms of your area, Gisbone,
East Coast Tirafity, you've had all sorts of issues with
forestry slash and I know it's a very contentious issue
on both sides of the argument. But are you still
seeing quite a bit of what we would call good
rolling sheep and beef country going to trees?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
No, not in our area, and we've got very little
so we had those now the last of the farms
have been sold, have been have been planted this winter.
But I was talking with one of the main foresting
companies up here boundary to me the other day and
just we've got a little block. We might know them,
it's already in a forestry boundaries everything they've got and
they were like, oh no, they died after you know,
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we're not really putting any more money into this. In fact,
we're trying to reduce our pine trees down and having
more natives. So Gisman's probably the only area that's not
just because of the restrictions that may be coming from harvesting,
but it's putting pressure onto there's like north of Targo,
down your area, Hawk's Bay, you know, Talladu areas where
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they haven't had the history of what we had. So
it's there's still plenty to come, I think. And you
can't blame a farmer when the forest is going to
come in and pay a lot more than a seven
beef farmer all for the same piece of land.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Exactly. Hey, just finish on And I know Rowena talked
about this on Friday Show. Congratulations to your region or
area for getting in behind Demo's day for those three
men who lost their lives in that tragic boating accident.
And was talking to the great Ann Kirkpatrick this morning
and he reckons you've raised from your community about one
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hundred thousand dollars for those families. What a wonderful story.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, absolutely incredible, you know, and our region's hurting, you know,
let trusting spressing trailsery really has, you know, really hit
everybody really hard across the motto. So the fact that
seven bee farmily is really hard and just you know,
living in genuine He's the end at the moment is
really hard. The fact that people have dipped into their
own progress and support those cat young kids and those
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families absolutely overwhelming. I think their families will be very appreciative.
And those kids grow up without their dead there's going
to be a little bit of a legacy there for
them to help so getting through school and getting qualified
into wherever they want to go with itfe It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Toby Williams, Federated Farmers Meeting, Woelchair. Thanks for your time
today on the Country.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Thanks Sammie Down.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Eighteen after twelve. Thank you, Toby. This is the Country.
It's brought to you by Brent Michelle Watts wandered in here.
You've loaded us up with a bit of Oasis. Two
producers before you, before Rowena was a guy by the
name of god Boy George. Yes, I know you went
to broadcasting school with Dom.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Didn't you, Journalism school here in Dunedin.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's right. Yeah, unfortunately went to the dark side. But
we still love him. But no one loved Oasis more
than that.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I can tell you, Oh, I tell you what he
is a musical. Don't don't talk him up too much.
People might listen to him. But anyhow, and I reckon
he I know he's landed into a bit of money
as well, so I reckon he might jet over to
Wembley just to see Oasis.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
He probably would to see all ten shows.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, well, you know you're big if you're going to
beat Tatay. Not that I either know that much about
Tata either. Up next, David Seymour, he wants to sell
off Parmu. They're not. They had like a twenty six
million dollar loss or something for the year end of
June thirty, twenty twenty four. Should we should the government
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be in the business of farming? That's up next, Oops
on the Country, the pain where you go? Where now?
Body now? The word is that the firing your heart
is out. I'm so you've had it up before. See
(13:15):
more Acts Party leader on the Country? You want to
sell Parmu the artist formerly known as Landcorp.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
David Well, yeah, yeah, it's hard to keep up the
names changing and change back. I think the way they
think about it is if the government have a reason
to own it, so rather than.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Why should we sell it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Why should the government own a bunch of farms? To
politicians know something more about farming? Do they have better
access to capital? Do they have some special role that
normal farmers can't play? And I cannot find any good
reasons to have it. Therefore we should be asking ourselves.
We'll calcul we make life simpler and get out of it,
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probably some sort of stage sell down so you don't
club the rural landmarkt And yet I hasten to add
that the government itself doesn't have a policy to do this.
I'd just like to occasionally raise the question could we
be doing better well?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The twenty six million dollar loss for the year ended
thirtieth of June after tax loss, following on from nine
million the previous year. Mind you, a lot of farmers
aren't making any money either, David and are posting losses.
But I guess you would ask for a cash strapped
nation like we are at the moment, whether we could
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get a better return using some of that money. For
I don't know, let's think of something like a hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You never know, we could even build one undernedin. You know,
it's funny because people say, oh, it's losing money, but
every farm's losing money. My point is, well, if the
government farms are just like all the other farms.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Why involve the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Politics, the risk of taxpayers money, the complications that come
from state ownership, when actually you'd be far better to
have every day investors spending and investing and risking their
own money owning these farms. Because I can tell you
I'm actually one of the ministers who support what they
call a shareholding minister. So technically I own half of
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PAMU on behalf of five million people. But I can
bet your bottom dollar that the average person who actually
owns a farm with their money on the line will
be doing much better at monitoring the use of resources
and activity on their farm that I can on all
the ones Parmer owned, not least of all because I'm
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a shareholding minister in twenty eight different entities. And for
people who love the idea that the mythical we own
it and it's nice if the government owns things, the
practicality is that if you believe in state ownership, you
got to find some portump of a politician to represent
your interests as in the shareholder and with the best
will in the world, and even a very talented politician
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will struggle to outperform a larger number of people more
focused on their own business.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Was that a reference to yourself? The talented politician there,
David Well also for chump So you ahead to take
it all?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Hey, where do you enact stand on the banking inquiry?
Because I've been jumping up and down a bit about
this one. I reckon they're ripping us off. They're making
too much money, and I hate to keep throwing A
and Z out there, but they're leading the charge thirteen
point eight percent return on equity. The margins are just
too high.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, people like to say that, but I think we
do sometimes need a bit of a reality check because
it's easy to go and escape goat the banks.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
But if all you do is make.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Accusations that don't stack up, then you haven't solved the problem.
You've bucked up the wrong tree and the real problems continue.
So do the banks make too much money? Well, if
you look at banks in the comparison of the returns
on all the other companies on the NZX, I mean,
I don't know what the return on Scaler up was
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last year, but you know we're going to say that
maybe they're making too much money and it should be
a reduction in the products that they sell.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So well, let's talk about introducing some more competition. So
I don't believe there is enough competition. Should we be
beefing up Keiwibank?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Well, I'm offer getting some private capital into Kiwi Bank
so they can be the disruptive that they're supposed they're
going to be for twenty years. But here's a few
other things we could do. Make it easier for foreign
firms to invest in New Zealand, because if you reliant
on capital from New Zealanders savings, it's going to be
pretty difficult to get competitors. Get rid of all this
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DEE and I, climate reporting and other what people sometimes
refer to as wokery that makes banks hesitant to lend
to people if they don't like the look of them
or the cut of their jib. On philosophical political grounds,
I think that's completely wrong. And also have the Reserve
Bank take a second look at its capital ratios and requirements,
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because by forcing banks to keep larger amounts of capital
than the otherwise would, and larger amounts of capital than
foreign banks are required to do, they're actually increasing their
returns shareholders of banks require for putting in that much capital,
and therefore the cost of lending and services the banks provide,
so they I'd be in favor of asking well before
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we start beating them, before we start saying that the
government needs to get involved in banking as a competitor,
Let's just look at all the things the company's are
already doing to make it harder for them to do
their job and cozier, because it makes competition more difficult.
Once we've dealt with all that, don't forget the triple
CUFA makes it very difficult to do anything in banking
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without getting all your documents from your lifetime stamp by
anofficial knows that there's quite a lot that can be done.
In the most cases, the things I just listed are
being done by the government to make it more competitive.
Not to mention Mark Cameron and the Banking inquiry that
the Primary Production Committee's doing, which I think will shed
light on a lot of the stuff we've just mentioned.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. The risk margins are
too high. I feel for farmers, and we've got a
ban woke food while we're there. Ah, David, look, what
do you reckon about? Christopher Luxon's message to the councils
at the local government meeting last week. He ruffled a
few feathers, but he's right. Surely local councils who are
hitting us with up to twenty percent rate increases need
to stick to their knitting and stick to pipes and
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roads and forget the nice to have.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, you go to admire them for the politics. Everyone's
getting their rates and increases. They're pretty pissed off and
they want to see someone give the councils a good beating.
I think the question is what's left at the end
of all that. It's simply people need to see a
way forward, and that is to reduce the red tape
and regulation. So I think in the end the most
important thing this government will do is replace the resource
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management next, because so much of the expensive councils, whether
it's developing their own infrastructure or monitoring development by a
private interest, actually comes down to the resource management net.
It's partly getting rid of the for well beings, where
it's their job to look after every aspect of your
life rather than roads, rubbish and rates, which is what
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they should be doing. And if that's a government policy
I wholeheartedly support. And then it comes down, so well,
can they get access to other forms of revenue for
building infrastructure they need so that the people who benefit
the most on something pay for talking about things like
targeted rates. If it gets another motorway built, gets products
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to market faster, then what's wrong with that? So, you know,
I think there's there's a whole bunch of stuff going
on there. But what it comes down to is the
we you know, throw bombs at the councils. Let's look
at the red tape and regulation that we as a
part of.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
David Seymour, I reckon, you've been eating too much wog food.
Since when did you become the defender of banks and
local councils. You're losing your bite too much sushi?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, no, no, I just know that. You know, we've
got a big job in New Zealand, and you know,
real leadership is actually finding a way for everyone to
go forward better and that means accepting that sometimes the
other guys are doing stuff wrong, but sometimes we as
a government actually need to improve our side. And in
the case of both banks and councils, yep, pretty easy
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to beat up on them, but actually a lot of
the problems that they face are caused by red tape
and regulation caused by the laws that we in Parliament
have forced on them. I mean you just look at
the earthquake regulations and what that's done. I was the
only guy to vote against that one hundred and nineteen
to one. I said it was wrong at the time.
Now the government's finally reversing it, thinking about the cost
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that's put onto council.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's just sorry. I'm running out of time, David Seam.
I'm just running out of time. It looks like your
Treaty Principles bills running out of time. Also, you've been
hanging out to dry here. You're dead in the water.
Winston and Luxon are basically ducking for cover because this
is politically too hot to handle.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh look, I think it's pretty simple really that the
nets are a bit afraid of because it is a
hard and uneasy conversation we need to have in New Zealand. First,
just which they thought of it so for different reasons
that they're running a mile. But at the end of
the day, we need to decide does our treaty give
every New Zealand to equal rights, which is basically what
it says, or does it create a partnership of active
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protection and redress and participation. In other words, a partnership
between races where there are two different types of New
Zealander and your rights depend on your family tread. But
it's not an easy conversation to have. That's why I'm
proud to be it because we're putting it on the table.
And even if it doesn't go all the way, the
fact that we're introducing that simple idea that each of
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us ever say, and the future of our country, the
fact we're protecting our right to have that say that
in itself is absolute gold.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
David Seymour, thanks is always for your time on the country.
Appreciate it, he worries, thank you right, it is twenty
seven away from one. You're worth the country. Love your
feedback here on the show. Easiest way is to text
us on five double o nine. Here's a text from
one farmer, Palmu also benefits from premium prices and screwing
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deals on all the suppliers that normal farmers don't get.
Plus they're losing millions every year. Go figure. Here's one
from Bryce Mackenzie Groundswell. What did ground Swell do these days? Bryce? Actually,
Michelle have you heard from Ground. I need to get
Ground swell on. They've got nothing to moan about.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We haven't heard from them for a while, haven't. I'm
on Bryce and Laurie. We need to get you on
the show. So no, but Bryce is sent through a
text saying it's hard not to appreciate David's common sense.
And here's another one with feedback to Toby Williams, who
kicked off the show read the forestry. He said, it's
not happening in the Gisbanese Coast region, but this text
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is saying it may not be the case, or they're
coming in thick and fast. I keep losing them. Where's
it gone to? There's one about boy George going to
Mount Mongan. We we'll get away from that one. Here
we go just listening to Toby it may not be
the case in his region, but our banker is saying
there are plenty of forestry companies and their purchase data
is coming through. So yeah, Look, I was saddened on
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Country Calendar with the repost guy, who's very people. They're
very smart people, but they're that perandle Wall and they're
chucking it onto a truck and composting it. You know,
that's the challenge for the sheep industry. That wall's a
dog and it's a worry. It's a real worry. What
are we going to do in this country? How many
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what cheap numbers are we going to get down to?
Up next, we're going to have a look at rural
news and sports news before the end of the hour,
the Farmer Panel. Neither of those who have to worry
about sheep because one's a dairy farmer, one's a deer farmer.
Are they creaming it? And fill Duncan on the weather.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
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Speaker 3 (25:22):
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has it. All my cousins everyone learned on this bike
is a yarm a half fifty original and it's still
in the garage and it's still going wow.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And my niece is actually the car Wassaki one hundred
was on our first bike. It was a great farm bike,
great farm bike. The old man bought a ja war
one seven five. Couldn't start the blood. It was a
paper junk, but anyhow it convinced him that we needed
one on the farm, so we got a car Wassaki
one hundred. What a great bike it was. Oh, you
better do rural news.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I guess right, So off topic there, but Brits have
been queuing up ahead of the opening of former top
Gear present to Jeremy Clarkson's pub. Apparently hundreds of people
cued for hours to be among the first customers at
the Farmer's Dog and Oxfordshire and the Countryside have actually
been to that part of Oxfordshire. M Jamie, I think
you have too. It's beautiful there and just on our
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little note here. An Patterson, who we had an interview
with on Friday, was play seventh in the still timber
Sports International Women's Cup in Germany, which was last night's
Sunday New Zealand time.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And it's a sports were anaf go Kiwi to the
bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Sorry about that, I've got a bit trigger happy with
the sports liner. Test cricket is in line to receive
a funding boost to safeguard the future of the sport's
oldest and longest format. The ICC are reporting are reportedly
looking to introduce a twenty five million dollar test match
fun for national boards outside the games Big three of India,
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Australia and England, designed to provide a minimum match fee
for players and ensure they're less likely to focus solely
on white ball cricket cricket and max. For Stapen, his
winning drought and Formula one has extended to five races.
I say good, it was getting boring with him winning
all the time. He's finished second to Lando Norris in
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a Dutch Grand Prix and that's your sports news. Up
next to the farmer panel, are they creaming at a
dairy farmer and a deer? Farmer, Craig Hickman, Dunk and
Hum up next, Welcome back to the Country Farmer Panel
out of mid Canterbury. We've definitely got one of them.
We're not sure where the other one's gone some radio.
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So Duncan Hum, have I got you?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
I was just going to give you a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't don't, don't pause like that. That's at my age.
I can't afford frights like that. So what about dairy man?
See there, Michelle, we don't, we don't look. I'm sorry.
We might have to get him on. Craig, if you're listening,
we might have to get you on tomorrow's show. Anyhow,
I've got you, I've got you. Duncan now Venison ten
bucks or is it better than ten bucks? Are you
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creaming it compared to the poor old sheep farmers?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'd love to say we are creaming it, but
you know, the cont we've got signed to the spring
are quite reasonably encouraging. So Rob, if you're listening, I
won't you know, I'll be padding you too hard on
the back. No, but no, we're pretty happy computing everybody else.
You know it can be pretty grateful for what we
are likely to get this year, so can't complain too
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much aside from their cost of obviously producing it are
much higher. So what was you know, ten dollars used
to be like the holy grail, but there it's quite
needs to be a bit more.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, I guess that a dairy man was on he
would concur with me here. It likely, you know, eight
bucks used to be a great payout for the dairy farmers.
But mind you that I think enz X came out
last week and we had had a forecast of nine
dollars twenty I think that was the number that was quoted.
That would be still pretty good. But you're dead right,
and not only farmers have gone through this business. People
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have as well, anyone who's selling anything. The cost of
production is so much higher.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yeah, it was just you know, stuff like rates and
assurance being the main ones. It's just quite frightening when
you're sitting there try to crunch your budget and make
it stack up. So you know, we need to be
sort of looking up around that twelve twelve dollars plus
I think to be sort of back whether the ten
dollars used to be. So, but anyway, we can't complain
too much you've got.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Good news also on the on the velvet front, because
you know you like sheep and sheep farmers used to
be Duncan you get two bites at the cherry. If
you're into velveting, you've got the meat and the velvet.
The sheep farmers have the meat in the wall. Although
you know it's very distressing to see wool used as fertilizer.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah, I mean on Country calendal the last night it
was here. Quite quite a shame to see that lovely
wool getting just composted and yeah, a shame really, But yeah,
it's in quite a worrying time on the velvet job
because we've known this is coming for a long time
from last season almost didn't actually have last season, was
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going to be shut off at managed to extend it.
And yeah, so most farmers, deer farmers this winter have
been quite anxious about getting a result to be allowed
to send frozen velvet into China again. But yet sounds
like a deal has been reached and we're all go
for the season.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Hey, just a couple to quickly finish on because we
unfortunately running of run out of rope. It's my own
fault when you're not being a deer farmer. You're running
the end Zed Farming Facebook page. What what are the
hot topics on your Facebook page because you've got a
huge following.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Yeah, well, I think the hot topic over the weekend
was Wiggie's road outside his heir generated a lot of discussion.
So yeah, that's been an interesting What.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Happened to Wiggi's road? I haven't caught up on that one.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
This is.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
You have another bit of a neighbors at wore scenario.
One of his neighbors is driving tractors up and Denna's road,
cuting mud on what is normally a quad and lost
tarfield road and sort of making a bit of a
mess of the place. And obviously for anyone that's not
a farmer driving down that road, yes, no good luck either.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So yeah, yeah, on what's wiggy on that one? You've
got a responsibility to try and keep the roads as
clean as possible. Hey, and one more before I go,
We were talking about cutting your teeth on the on
the old farm bikes back in the day was a
car Withsaki one hundred. For me, I know you're a
keen motorbike guy.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
What did you start out on well since yeah, my
parents finally we did it hard through the eighties and everything.
We were busting keen to get on bikes and just
didn't have the budget for it because my three sisters
were into their horses. So basically all we had to
go fast on was horses initially, and then it wasn't
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until yeah, actually later in the piece that we got
started on motorbikes. So my first bike was a Yamaha
XT two fifty, which was actually my dad block he
traded in for a new one and then I got
his cast off. Basically, oh, well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's a nice story. I thought for a moment you
were going to drop me a sob story after your
sister's got the horses and you had to ride a
rally twenty or something like that. Hey, Duncan, hum, thanks
for your time. Keep up the good work on the
NZ Farming Facebook page. And apologies for fans of Craig
Hickman dairy Man. We lost them somewhere with our new
phone system, but we'll try and get them back in
(34:26):
the next day or two. We're going to take a
break on the other side of it, hopefully fill Duncan
with the weather welcome back to the country. Ate away
from one some of your feedback. We're just having a
little bit of trouble finding Phil Duncan. The biggest problem
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is if the Palmu farms sold up, it will be
two overseas byers. I'm not sure about that. Who can
afford the larger properties. Not Kiwi farmers. Obviously they couldn't
sell it overnight. It would flood market. My comments not
for Texters our case and point down our way rights.
The Texter Wisp, which is a well known sheep and
beef property down in South Otago, I understand, was bought
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by Ikea, an overseas company, planted it in trees. Not
sure we should be selling farmland to overseas companies to
be their carbon off sets, especially when New Zealand allows
one hundred percent carbon off setting, and that is texta
is one of the real issues and that is what
has made carbon farming so attractive in this country. Look,
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we're going to sorry, take another break and try and
get Phil Duncan. If we can't, We're just going to
wrap it with some more of your feedback. We're going
to be the one saves to.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Weather Watch with Elenko passionate about animal health.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Wrapping it up with Phil Duncan, we finally tracked them down. Phil,
Thanks for your time. Spring is come early windy westerlies
for the week. Good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, you know, yes, early start the spring. I think
for many parts of New Zealand, we've got the windy
westerlies on the way, which I always think sounds like
I'm describing the relatives that are coming and you're like, ah,
windy westerlyes are coming, they're staying for a few weeks.
In this case, they kind of are. You know, we've
got they're starting today and tomorrow, mostly tomorrow they'll start
to pick up. They'll be off and on, but they're
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going to pick up. You know, northwesterly winds and westerly
winds will be gusting up to gale force or beyond
in the usual places for this time of the year,
and it's going to last for the next two weeks
as we go into September. Thanks to some really big storms.
Central air pressure down to the nine to twenty hectopascal range,
not just one of them, but two of them this
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week down near Antarctica, and so we're getting the really
windy stuff between that storm or those storms and the
high priska wayful.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I mean, that's typical us. What's going to say, typic
typical timber weather. But amongst all this westerly flower, we
going to get the odd sutherly changed to give us
a bit of a bite in the backside like we
got Friday.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It may be a bit of a sour west change
more more than sutherly. So you know, if we look
at Queen's Down one week from now, they might have
some from snowflowing around, maybe again on Thursday this week.
Otherwise not a lot of cold air. It's mostly westerly driven.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Okay. Phil Duncan there from weather Watch, always appreciate his
time on a Monday. That's us out of here. Some
people think I don't do much work. We're filming a
video of a highly secret of video in South Canterbury tomorrow,
so Rowena will be in the chair and just before
I go, I want to say rest in peace. John
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Chittick an old rugby made of mine, very good rugby player.
Back in the day. John played for Southland, very well
known and dog trialing circles gun dog Trialists and also
ran Jeff Farmers, a farm down on South and John
has sadly passed away and our thoughts are with Liz
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and all the family. Rest in peace, John Chidick.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
To catch all the latest from the land, It's the
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Slipping side the eye of your mind, don't you know
your mind?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I've had a place to play.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You said that you will never be but out of
things that you've seen.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Away Graine, Zealand and welcome to the Country. Yes, rumors
Oasis are getting back together The Buried the Hatchet and
they might break Tata's record for the most concerts in
a row. It's Wembley. Maybe more about that later, but
we've got some big issues to deal with today. Gonna
(00:53):
kick it off with Federated Farmers. Toby Williams meeting wool
Chair based out of the East Coat Gisbane region. He's
talking about last week's report. I think we had doctor
Jenny Webster Brown on the show. Off the top of
my head. That was Jenny's name, wasn't it, Yes? And
she was talking well, was the co author of this
(01:14):
report called why Pines And it was like a white
paper and fads reckon. It may have been published as
a report, but it reads more like a horror story.
For his Zeeland Farmers and rural communities. They might also
touch on the fact that is wall that bad that
farmers are composting it and spreading it on their pastures
(01:34):
rather than selling it. David Seymour, Act Party leader, should
we be selling off Land Corp slash Palmer? He reckons
we should be the banking inquiry councils as a treaty
principles build dead in the water A farmer panel today.
Craig Hickman and Duncan Hum both out of mid Canterbury.
(01:55):
Now one's a deer farmer, that's Duncan. One's a dairy farmer,
that's dairy Man Craig Kman. Are they going to be
creaming it? Are they in the clover milk at nine bucks?
Who knows? Venison at ten dollars? And Phil Duncan's our
weather guy as well. We've got the latest and rural
news and sports news for you. How good was lydia
Oh to have a golf swing like Lydia Coe. She
(02:19):
I think she's my favorite golfer, either her or Bryson
de Shambo. There you go, nine after nine after twelve
on the country. Up next Toby Williams to kick it off.
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Last week on the country. You might remember we caught
up with doctor Jenny Webster Brown and we were talking
about the reports she authored or co authored Why Pines.
It was released by Our Land and Water National Science
Challenge and Federated Farmers says it should be a major
wake up for the government. In fact, Toby Williams, Federated
Farmers Meat and woolchair, has said it may have been
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published as a report, but it reads more like a
horror story for New Zealand farmers and rural communities. You're
not overegging this, are you, Toby.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, we're not. We've been talking about this for the
last four or five years and we've seen that actually
paying out on these coasts. We tried to have as
farms a couple of years ago, so we know what
it's going to look like, and we've seen as beef
and antheus coming out a million years down. This is
the consequence of unthought about protection pine trees.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
One of the studies, and this is very worrying, found
that even if there was no carbon price I eat
carbon was worth nothing, one fifth of sheep and beef
country would still need to be converted to pine forest
just to meet these fresh water goals that that's unsustainable.
We're going to go broke.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Understainable. And part of the problem is with the fresh
water rules, we don't understand actually how bad the waterway
that are. We hadn't done enough quality testing that we're
seeing the reports out of the wided Upper where they've
tested a couple of rivers and then extra lade that
out why a computer to all other rivers without actually
going to testing them. So the first step to understanding
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water quality is actually doing some thorough testing over a
sustained period.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
This marginal or not even marginal sheep and beef country,
because some of it's nice rolling sheep and beef country.
Do you will you have to buy the bullet and
admit maybe that pines are a better use for it.
They may not be esthetically, but in terms of an
economic return. Can you make more money growing pines having
a forestry in come down the track and clipping the
(05:04):
ticket on carbon credits on the way through?
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You can?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And we've seen in the past that if you had
pine trees and pine pine trees in ninety eighties and
your harvested now, you would have made more money on average.
And she can be fun.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
If we fast forward.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Now we're doing we think to be in the cycle
now where we're replanting and putting new conversions going in,
but there's there's nothing to say that there's actually going
to be a market for these trees into the future.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What are we going to do with them?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
We're not adding more value. We've seen mills shut down left,
right and center over the last three or four years
because you know, we're not making pulp and paper anymore,
we're not reading newspapers and things like that. So we
need to understand what is the market for these pine
trees is going to be or is it just going
to be clipping the carbon and we're making a problem
for another generation a three years time.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, I'm worried about the spray and walk away mentality
that was around carbon farming perhaps a couple of years ago,
where people were planting pine tree with a view to
never harvesting them, and that just spells trouble for me,
especially on the east coast of the North Island. If
things get drier with climate change, what's going to stop
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massive forest fires?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, that's it, and we can't you won't stop them
already here on the East Coast and tataphity that if
we get a forest fire, there's not enough resources to
stop it. So what we're going to do is look
after people and communities, make sure we get the evacuated
and let the fire go because it's just a possible.
The country we've got, you can't take heavy equipment into
the air. There's no water resource. It's close enough to
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make it worth while fighting fighting the fires.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So, Toby, the issue you've got is a well federated farmercy.
You're the meat and wool chair have got is that
the economics of sheep farming, especially around wall at the moment,
are awful. And you would have watched Country Calendar last night.
The guy from repost, he's a smart operator. He's spreading
or he's composting his wall is a story in the
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Otago Daily Times today about regenerative farmer in central Otago
who was spreading her wall club just over grass pasture paddocks.
I would have thought it would have choked out the grass,
but there you go.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Has it come to that, well, it seems to doesn't
that it's an absolute chervising. I was really enjoying that
Country Calendar. The guy's got an amazing story. What an
incredible resource they've got down there, and then to be
sharing your seat and something composting it is just heartbreaking,
it really is.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And they've got good.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Peering dale used down there. It's a bit finer than
my Romney strong wall, so they can actually get a
bit of value. But I think it should be a
massive wake up call to all those people working in
the wool industry that when we're saying to you that
people are walking away from wanting seat and wanting to
harvest this wall, then it's actually true. We need solutions,
and we need solutions by the end of this year.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I talked to Kate Ackland last week from Beef and Lamb,
New Zealand, and she seemed to be less concerned, or
that was my perception of it than I was about
the continual decline and our sheep numbers. When I was
a young farmer in the early nineteen eighties we had
over seventy million. We're now down to twenty three million. Well,
eventually we've reach a ceiling or a bottom point, and
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will those remaining in the sheep industry eventually become rich
because there's not going to be many lambs for sale.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, well I'm going to be one of those that
becomes riches. There's not very any lambs for sale with Jamie,
So I think that, yeah, we're going to get to
a point where we've got so much over capacity as
well with our producing plants, that those corporators, the big
corporates are really going to struggle, you know, to keep
to keep profitability, to keep the chains open when we
need them. And you see the shrinking market overseas when
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we get you know, we have a lot less the export.
At the moment, we're probably at the know, just rising
off the bottom of of the cycle and it's going
to try to hold on. But it is really really
worrying that the million sheep we've lost in the last
couple of years is probably only the tip of the iceberg.
I think it's probably another million in net that we
don't know about yet, of those conversions that have taken
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three or four years to come through, as those sheep
finally sort of get out of the system, you know,
and that land's no longer used for that purpose. So
that is a you know, it's a real big concern,
and at some point we're going to reach that tipping
point where we do have a cotage industry proceed and
as an absolute crime considering that our nation was built
off the back of a seat.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, well, we can't get too dewy eyed about history.
You know, things change. But in terms of your area, Gisbone,
East Coast Tirafity, you've had all sorts of issues with
forestry slash and I know it's a very contentious issue
on both sides of the argument. But are you still
seeing quite a bit of what we would call good
rolling sheep and beef country going to trees?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
No, not in our area, and we've got very little
so we had those now the last of the farms
have been sold, have been have been planted this winter.
But I was talking with one of the main foresting
companies up here boundary to me the other day and
just we've got a little block. We might know them,
it's already in a forestry boundaries everything they've got and
they were like, oh no, they died after you know,
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we're not really putting any more money into this. In fact,
we're trying to reduce our pine trees down and having
more natives. So Gisman's probably the only area that's not
just because of the restrictions that may be coming from harvesting,
but it's putting pressure onto there's like north of Targo,
down your area, Hawk's Bay, you know, Talladu areas where
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they haven't had the history of what we had. So
it's there's still plenty to come, I think. And you
can't blame a farmer when the forest is going to
come in and pay a lot more than a seven
beef farmer all for the same piece of land.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Exactly. Hey, just finish on And I know Rowena talked
about this on Friday Show. Congratulations to your region or
area for getting in behind Demo's day for those three
men who lost their lives in that tragic boating accident.
And was talking to the great Ann Kirkpatrick this morning
and he reckons you've raised from your community about one
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hundred thousand dollars for those families. What a wonderful story.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, absolutely incredible, you know, and our region's hurting, you know,
let trusting spressing trailsery really has, you know, really hit
everybody really hard across the motto. So the fact that
seven bee farmily is really hard and just you know,
living in genuine He's the end at the moment is
really hard. The fact that people have dipped into their
own progress and support those cat young kids and those
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families absolutely overwhelming. I think their families will be very appreciative.
And those kids grow up without their dead there's going
to be a little bit of a legacy there for
them to help so getting through school and getting qualified
into wherever they want to go with itfe It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Toby Williams, Federated Farmers Meeting, Woelchair. Thanks for your time
today on the Country.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Thanks Sammie Down.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Eighteen after twelve. Thank you, Toby. This is the Country.
It's brought to you by Brent Michelle Watts wandered in here.
You've loaded us up with a bit of Oasis. Two
producers before you, before Rowena was a guy by the
name of god Boy George. Yes, I know you went
to broadcasting school with Dom.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Didn't you, Journalism school here in Dunedin.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's right. Yeah, unfortunately went to the dark side. But
we still love him. But no one loved Oasis more
than that.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I can tell you, Oh, I tell you what he
is a musical. Don't don't talk him up too much.
People might listen to him. But anyhow, and I reckon
he I know he's landed into a bit of money
as well, so I reckon he might jet over to
Wembley just to see Oasis.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
He probably would to see all ten shows.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, well, you know you're big if you're going to
beat Tatay. Not that I either know that much about
Tata either. Up next, David Seymour, he wants to sell
off Parmu. They're not. They had like a twenty six
million dollar loss or something for the year end of
June thirty, twenty twenty four. Should we should the government
(12:52):
be in the business of farming? That's up next, Oops
on the Country, the pain where you go? Where now?
Body now? The word is that the firing your heart
is out. I'm so you've had it up before. See
(13:15):
more Acts Party leader on the Country? You want to
sell Parmu the artist formerly known as Landcorp.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
David Well, yeah, yeah, it's hard to keep up the
names changing and change back. I think the way they
think about it is if the government have a reason
to own it, so rather than.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Why should we sell it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Why should the government own a bunch of farms? To
politicians know something more about farming? Do they have better
access to capital? Do they have some special role that
normal farmers can't play? And I cannot find any good
reasons to have it. Therefore we should be asking ourselves.
We'll calcul we make life simpler and get out of it,
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probably some sort of stage sell down so you don't
club the rural landmarkt And yet I hasten to add
that the government itself doesn't have a policy to do this.
I'd just like to occasionally raise the question could we
be doing better well?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The twenty six million dollar loss for the year ended
thirtieth of June after tax loss, following on from nine
million the previous year. Mind you, a lot of farmers
aren't making any money either, David and are posting losses.
But I guess you would ask for a cash strapped
nation like we are at the moment, whether we could
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get a better return using some of that money. For
I don't know, let's think of something like a hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You never know, we could even build one undernedin. You know,
it's funny because people say, oh, it's losing money, but
every farm's losing money. My point is, well, if the
government farms are just like all the other farms.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Why involve the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Politics, the risk of taxpayers money, the complications that come
from state ownership, when actually you'd be far better to
have every day investors spending and investing and risking their
own money owning these farms. Because I can tell you
I'm actually one of the ministers who support what they
call a shareholding minister. So technically I own half of
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PAMU on behalf of five million people. But I can
bet your bottom dollar that the average person who actually
owns a farm with their money on the line will
be doing much better at monitoring the use of resources
and activity on their farm that I can on all
the ones Parmer owned, not least of all because I'm
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a shareholding minister in twenty eight different entities. And for
people who love the idea that the mythical we own
it and it's nice if the government owns things, the
practicality is that if you believe in state ownership, you
got to find some portump of a politician to represent
your interests as in the shareholder and with the best
will in the world, and even a very talented politician
(16:04):
will struggle to outperform a larger number of people more
focused on their own business.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Was that a reference to yourself? The talented politician there,
David Well also for chump So you ahead to take
it all?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Hey, where do you enact stand on the banking inquiry?
Because I've been jumping up and down a bit about
this one. I reckon they're ripping us off. They're making
too much money, and I hate to keep throwing A
and Z out there, but they're leading the charge thirteen
point eight percent return on equity. The margins are just
too high.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, people like to say that, but I think we
do sometimes need a bit of a reality check because
it's easy to go and escape goat the banks.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
But if all you do is make.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Accusations that don't stack up, then you haven't solved the problem.
You've bucked up the wrong tree and the real problems continue.
So do the banks make too much money? Well, if
you look at banks in the comparison of the returns
on all the other companies on the NZX, I mean,
I don't know what the return on Scaler up was
(17:09):
last year, but you know we're going to say that
maybe they're making too much money and it should be
a reduction in the products that they sell.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So well, let's talk about introducing some more competition. So
I don't believe there is enough competition. Should we be
beefing up Keiwibank?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Well, I'm offer getting some private capital into Kiwi Bank
so they can be the disruptive that they're supposed they're
going to be for twenty years. But here's a few
other things we could do. Make it easier for foreign
firms to invest in New Zealand, because if you reliant
on capital from New Zealanders savings, it's going to be
pretty difficult to get competitors. Get rid of all this
(17:50):
DEE and I, climate reporting and other what people sometimes
refer to as wokery that makes banks hesitant to lend
to people if they don't like the look of them
or the cut of their jib. On philosophical political grounds,
I think that's completely wrong. And also have the Reserve
Bank take a second look at its capital ratios and requirements,
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because by forcing banks to keep larger amounts of capital
than the otherwise would, and larger amounts of capital than
foreign banks are required to do, they're actually increasing their
returns shareholders of banks require for putting in that much capital,
and therefore the cost of lending and services the banks provide,
so they I'd be in favor of asking well before
(18:35):
we start beating them, before we start saying that the
government needs to get involved in banking as a competitor,
Let's just look at all the things the company's are
already doing to make it harder for them to do
their job and cozier, because it makes competition more difficult.
Once we've dealt with all that, don't forget the triple
CUFA makes it very difficult to do anything in banking
(18:56):
without getting all your documents from your lifetime stamp by
anofficial knows that there's quite a lot that can be done.
In the most cases, the things I just listed are
being done by the government to make it more competitive.
Not to mention Mark Cameron and the Banking inquiry that
the Primary Production Committee's doing, which I think will shed
light on a lot of the stuff we've just mentioned.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. The risk margins are
too high. I feel for farmers, and we've got a
ban woke food while we're there. Ah, David, look, what
do you reckon about? Christopher Luxon's message to the councils
at the local government meeting last week. He ruffled a
few feathers, but he's right. Surely local councils who are
hitting us with up to twenty percent rate increases need
to stick to their knitting and stick to pipes and
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roads and forget the nice to have.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, you go to admire them for the politics. Everyone's
getting their rates and increases. They're pretty pissed off and
they want to see someone give the councils a good beating.
I think the question is what's left at the end
of all that. It's simply people need to see a
way forward, and that is to reduce the red tape
and regulation. So I think in the end the most
important thing this government will do is replace the resource
(20:07):
management next, because so much of the expensive councils, whether
it's developing their own infrastructure or monitoring development by a
private interest, actually comes down to the resource management net.
It's partly getting rid of the for well beings, where
it's their job to look after every aspect of your
life rather than roads, rubbish and rates, which is what
(20:30):
they should be doing. And if that's a government policy
I wholeheartedly support. And then it comes down, so well,
can they get access to other forms of revenue for
building infrastructure they need so that the people who benefit
the most on something pay for talking about things like
targeted rates. If it gets another motorway built, gets products
(20:51):
to market faster, then what's wrong with that? So, you know,
I think there's there's a whole bunch of stuff going
on there. But what it comes down to is the
we you know, throw bombs at the councils. Let's look
at the red tape and regulation that we as a
part of.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
David Seymour, I reckon, you've been eating too much wog food.
Since when did you become the defender of banks and
local councils. You're losing your bite too much sushi?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, no, no, I just know that. You know, we've
got a big job in New Zealand, and you know,
real leadership is actually finding a way for everyone to
go forward better and that means accepting that sometimes the
other guys are doing stuff wrong, but sometimes we as
a government actually need to improve our side. And in
the case of both banks and councils, yep, pretty easy
(21:39):
to beat up on them, but actually a lot of
the problems that they face are caused by red tape
and regulation caused by the laws that we in Parliament
have forced on them. I mean you just look at
the earthquake regulations and what that's done. I was the
only guy to vote against that one hundred and nineteen
to one. I said it was wrong at the time.
Now the government's finally reversing it, thinking about the cost
(22:00):
that's put onto council.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's just sorry. I'm running out of time, David Seam.
I'm just running out of time. It looks like your
Treaty Principles bills running out of time. Also, you've been
hanging out to dry here. You're dead in the water.
Winston and Luxon are basically ducking for cover because this
is politically too hot to handle.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh look, I think it's pretty simple really that the
nets are a bit afraid of because it is a
hard and uneasy conversation we need to have in New Zealand. First,
just which they thought of it so for different reasons
that they're running a mile. But at the end of
the day, we need to decide does our treaty give
every New Zealand to equal rights, which is basically what
it says, or does it create a partnership of active
(22:43):
protection and redress and participation. In other words, a partnership
between races where there are two different types of New
Zealander and your rights depend on your family tread. But
it's not an easy conversation to have. That's why I'm
proud to be it because we're putting it on the table.
And even if it doesn't go all the way, the
fact that we're introducing that simple idea that each of
(23:04):
us ever say, and the future of our country, the
fact we're protecting our right to have that say that
in itself is absolute gold.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
David Seymour, thanks is always for your time on the country.
Appreciate it, he worries, thank you right, it is twenty
seven away from one. You're worth the country. Love your
feedback here on the show. Easiest way is to text
us on five double o nine. Here's a text from
one farmer, Palmu also benefits from premium prices and screwing
(23:35):
deals on all the suppliers that normal farmers don't get.
Plus they're losing millions every year. Go figure. Here's one
from Bryce Mackenzie Groundswell. What did ground Swell do these days? Bryce? Actually,
Michelle have you heard from Ground. I need to get
Ground swell on. They've got nothing to moan about.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We haven't heard from them for a while, haven't. I'm
on Bryce and Laurie. We need to get you on
the show. So no, but Bryce is sent through a
text saying it's hard not to appreciate David's common sense.
And here's another one with feedback to Toby Williams, who
kicked off the show read the forestry. He said, it's
not happening in the Gisbanese Coast region, but this text
(24:15):
is saying it may not be the case, or they're
coming in thick and fast. I keep losing them. Where's
it gone to? There's one about boy George going to
Mount Mongan. We we'll get away from that one. Here
we go just listening to Toby it may not be
the case in his region, but our banker is saying
there are plenty of forestry companies and their purchase data
is coming through. So yeah, Look, I was saddened on
(24:39):
Country Calendar with the repost guy, who's very people. They're
very smart people, but they're that perandle Wall and they're
chucking it onto a truck and composting it. You know,
that's the challenge for the sheep industry. That wall's a
dog and it's a worry. It's a real worry. What
are we going to do in this country? How many
(24:59):
what cheap numbers are we going to get down to?
Up next, we're going to have a look at rural
news and sports news before the end of the hour,
the Farmer Panel. Neither of those who have to worry
about sheep because one's a dairy farmer, one's a deer farmer.
Are they creaming it? And fill Duncan on the weather.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Dream and dream she never dies? Wive that, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Welcome back to the country. The latest and rural news
and sports news up in a tick. But first, back
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cut my teeth, believe it or not, on a Kawasaki
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(25:43):
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Speaker 3 (27:05):
What you're sort of half town he half raised on
a farm. What was your first motorbike?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You ever rode the very first motorbike and dad still
has it. All my cousins everyone learned on this bike
is a yarm a half fifty original and it's still
in the garage and it's still going wow.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And my niece is actually the car Wassaki one hundred
was on our first bike. It was a great farm bike,
great farm bike. The old man bought a ja war
one seven five. Couldn't start the blood. It was a
paper junk, but anyhow it convinced him that we needed
one on the farm, so we got a car Wassaki
one hundred. What a great bike it was. Oh, you
better do rural news.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I guess right, So off topic there, but Brits have
been queuing up ahead of the opening of former top
Gear present to Jeremy Clarkson's pub. Apparently hundreds of people
cued for hours to be among the first customers at
the Farmer's Dog and Oxfordshire and the Countryside have actually
been to that part of Oxfordshire. M Jamie, I think
you have too. It's beautiful there and just on our
(28:01):
little note here. An Patterson, who we had an interview
with on Friday, was play seventh in the still timber
Sports International Women's Cup in Germany, which was last night's
Sunday New Zealand time.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And it's a sports were anaf go Kiwi to the
bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Sorry about that, I've got a bit trigger happy with
the sports liner. Test cricket is in line to receive
a funding boost to safeguard the future of the sport's
oldest and longest format. The ICC are reporting are reportedly
looking to introduce a twenty five million dollar test match
fun for national boards outside the games Big three of India,
(28:37):
Australia and England, designed to provide a minimum match fee
for players and ensure they're less likely to focus solely
on white ball cricket cricket and max. For Stapen, his
winning drought and Formula one has extended to five races.
I say good, it was getting boring with him winning
all the time. He's finished second to Lando Norris in
(29:00):
a Dutch Grand Prix and that's your sports news. Up
next to the farmer panel, are they creaming at a
dairy farmer and a deer? Farmer, Craig Hickman, Dunk and
Hum up next, Welcome back to the Country Farmer Panel
out of mid Canterbury. We've definitely got one of them.
We're not sure where the other one's gone some radio.
(29:22):
So Duncan Hum, have I got you?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
I was just going to give you a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't don't, don't pause like that. That's at my age.
I can't afford frights like that. So what about dairy man?
See there, Michelle, we don't, we don't look. I'm sorry.
We might have to get him on. Craig, if you're listening,
we might have to get you on tomorrow's show. Anyhow,
I've got you, I've got you. Duncan now Venison ten
bucks or is it better than ten bucks? Are you
(29:48):
creaming it compared to the poor old sheep farmers?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'd love to say we are creaming it, but
you know, the cont we've got signed to the spring
are quite reasonably encouraging. So Rob, if you're listening, I
won't you know, I'll be padding you too hard on
the back. No, but no, we're pretty happy computing everybody else.
You know it can be pretty grateful for what we
are likely to get this year, so can't complain too
(30:13):
much aside from their cost of obviously producing it are
much higher. So what was you know, ten dollars used
to be like the holy grail, but there it's quite
needs to be a bit more.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, I guess that a dairy man was on he
would concur with me here. It likely, you know, eight
bucks used to be a great payout for the dairy farmers.
But mind you that I think enz X came out
last week and we had had a forecast of nine
dollars twenty I think that was the number that was quoted.
That would be still pretty good. But you're dead right,
and not only farmers have gone through this business. People
(30:47):
have as well, anyone who's selling anything. The cost of
production is so much higher.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yeah, it was just you know, stuff like rates and
assurance being the main ones. It's just quite frightening when
you're sitting there try to crunch your budget and make
it stack up. So you know, we need to be
sort of looking up around that twelve twelve dollars plus
I think to be sort of back whether the ten
dollars used to be. So, but anyway, we can't complain
too much you've got.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Good news also on the on the velvet front, because
you know you like sheep and sheep farmers used to
be Duncan you get two bites at the cherry. If
you're into velveting, you've got the meat and the velvet.
The sheep farmers have the meat in the wall. Although
you know it's very distressing to see wool used as fertilizer.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah, I mean on Country calendal the last night it
was here. Quite quite a shame to see that lovely
wool getting just composted and yeah, a shame really, But yeah,
it's in quite a worrying time on the velvet job
because we've known this is coming for a long time
from last season almost didn't actually have last season, was
(31:56):
going to be shut off at managed to extend it.
And yeah, so most farmers, deer farmers this winter have
been quite anxious about getting a result to be allowed
to send frozen velvet into China again. But yet sounds
like a deal has been reached and we're all go
for the season.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Hey, just a couple to quickly finish on because we
unfortunately running of run out of rope. It's my own
fault when you're not being a deer farmer. You're running
the end Zed Farming Facebook page. What what are the
hot topics on your Facebook page because you've got a
huge following.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Yeah, well, I think the hot topic over the weekend
was Wiggie's road outside his heir generated a lot of discussion.
So yeah, that's been an interesting What.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Happened to Wiggi's road? I haven't caught up on that one.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
This is.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
You have another bit of a neighbors at wore scenario.
One of his neighbors is driving tractors up and Denna's road,
cuting mud on what is normally a quad and lost
tarfield road and sort of making a bit of a
mess of the place. And obviously for anyone that's not
a farmer driving down that road, yes, no good luck either.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So yeah, yeah, on what's wiggy on that one? You've
got a responsibility to try and keep the roads as
clean as possible. Hey, and one more before I go,
We were talking about cutting your teeth on the on
the old farm bikes back in the day was a
car Withsaki one hundred. For me, I know you're a
keen motorbike guy.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
What did you start out on well since yeah, my
parents finally we did it hard through the eighties and everything.
We were busting keen to get on bikes and just
didn't have the budget for it because my three sisters
were into their horses. So basically all we had to
go fast on was horses initially, and then it wasn't
(33:49):
until yeah, actually later in the piece that we got
started on motorbikes. So my first bike was a Yamaha
XT two fifty, which was actually my dad block he
traded in for a new one and then I got
his cast off. Basically, oh, well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's a nice story. I thought for a moment you
were going to drop me a sob story after your
sister's got the horses and you had to ride a
rally twenty or something like that. Hey, Duncan, hum, thanks
for your time. Keep up the good work on the
NZ Farming Facebook page. And apologies for fans of Craig
Hickman dairy Man. We lost them somewhere with our new
phone system, but we'll try and get them back in
(34:26):
the next day or two. We're going to take a
break on the other side of it, hopefully fill Duncan
with the weather welcome back to the country. Ate away
from one some of your feedback. We're just having a
little bit of trouble finding Phil Duncan. The biggest problem
(34:48):
is if the Palmu farms sold up, it will be
two overseas byers. I'm not sure about that. Who can
afford the larger properties. Not Kiwi farmers. Obviously they couldn't
sell it overnight. It would flood market. My comments not
for Texters our case and point down our way rights.
The Texter Wisp, which is a well known sheep and
beef property down in South Otago, I understand, was bought
(35:12):
by Ikea, an overseas company, planted it in trees. Not
sure we should be selling farmland to overseas companies to
be their carbon off sets, especially when New Zealand allows
one hundred percent carbon off setting, and that is texta
is one of the real issues and that is what
has made carbon farming so attractive in this country. Look,
(35:34):
we're going to sorry, take another break and try and
get Phil Duncan. If we can't, We're just going to
wrap it with some more of your feedback. We're going
to be the one saves to.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Weather Watch with Elenko passionate about animal health.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Wrapping it up with Phil Duncan, we finally tracked them down. Phil,
Thanks for your time. Spring is come early windy westerlies
for the week. Good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah, you know, yes, early start the spring. I think
for many parts of New Zealand, we've got the windy
westerlies on the way, which I always think sounds like
I'm describing the relatives that are coming and you're like, ah,
windy westerlyes are coming, they're staying for a few weeks.
In this case, they kind of are. You know, we've
got they're starting today and tomorrow, mostly tomorrow they'll start
to pick up. They'll be off and on, but they're
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going to pick up. You know, northwesterly winds and westerly
winds will be gusting up to gale force or beyond
in the usual places for this time of the year,
and it's going to last for the next two weeks
as we go into September. Thanks to some really big storms.
Central air pressure down to the nine to twenty hectopascal range,
not just one of them, but two of them this
(36:46):
week down near Antarctica, and so we're getting the really
windy stuff between that storm or those storms and the
high priska wayful.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I mean, that's typical us. What's going to say, typic
typical timber weather. But amongst all this westerly flower, we
going to get the odd sutherly changed to give us
a bit of a bite in the backside like we
got Friday.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It may be a bit of a sour west change
more more than sutherly. So you know, if we look
at Queen's Down one week from now, they might have
some from snowflowing around, maybe again on Thursday this week.
Otherwise not a lot of cold air. It's mostly westerly driven.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Okay. Phil Duncan there from weather Watch, always appreciate his
time on a Monday. That's us out of here. Some
people think I don't do much work. We're filming a
video of a highly secret of video in South Canterbury tomorrow,
so Rowena will be in the chair and just before
I go, I want to say rest in peace. John
(37:45):
Chittick an old rugby made of mine, very good rugby player.
Back in the day. John played for Southland, very well
known and dog trialing circles gun dog Trialists and also
ran Jeff Farmers, a farm down on South and John
has sadly passed away and our thoughts are with Liz
(38:08):
and all the family. Rest in peace, John Chidick.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
To catch all the latest from the land, It's the
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