February 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Derek Daniell, Sandra Faulkner, Karen Morrish, and Phil Duncan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
You will.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Get a new Zealand Welcome to the Country, brought to
you by Brandt. I'm Jamie McKay. Michelle's picked the music
today from a father's record collection. Not bad actually Blue
Monday a new order to kick it off for us.
Look on the show today. Very shortly. We're heading to
Japan where I think it's about eight o'clock in the
(01:01):
morning to catch up with one of our leading sheep
farmers who is skiing in Japan.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Some people lead the life, Do lead the life, don't they?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Derek Daniel to kick off the show today. As we
go further into this, I guess new fashion and sheep
farming anyhow, self shedding sheep or in his case, nerdy sheep.
Sandra Faukner is a Gisbane farmer. She's also Federated Farmer's
local government spokesperson Federated Farmers quite rightly, none too pleased
about the level of local body rates.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We all are.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean some of them are ridiculous at twenty percent,
But is it the fault of our local bodies. How
much does the government, well, how much responsibility does the
government have to take for this one? Is elland Apple
and Pears chief executive Karen Morrish. There's a good news
story Apples or mainly apples are worth a billion bucks
to us now and Phil Duncan on the weather. Yeah,
(01:53):
we need some rain for some of you folk. All
that to do on the show today, We've got rural
News with Michelle. Great story about dams and sport. I
wonder if the story of the young fifteen year old
fifteen hundred meter runner is in the sports news.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Gee.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That guy is an absolute freak and the best possible
way breaking all sorts of world records for his age.
So we've got all that to do between now and
one pm here on the country. Remember that we're counting
down to National Lamb Day, which is happening on Saturday.
We're going to get on the Supermarket's case. Hopefully they're
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going to do something. They're going to come to the
party in special lamb so Kiwis can try it. On
Saturday tomorrow, Rowena and myself are heading to Wellington for
the National Lamb Day barbecue at Parliament grounds. Looking forward
to that one as well. It's going to be an
interesting few days. Okay, up next to de Rik Daniel.
(03:14):
It is a story we've been following with a lot
of interest recently on the country. Yes, the advent, the
popularity if you want of the self shedding sheep, you know,
the ones you don't have to share, or one man
who has always got an eye for the main chance
and has started breeding them even though he is one
of the country's best known Romney breeders. Derek Daniel joins
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us not from his wire rapper base, Derek, but from Japan,
where you're gallivanting around on some ski slopes. There must
be some money in those neody sheep.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, of course there is, yeah, Well, and you save
a lot of money by farming the sheep, jobie. But
skin in Japan guaranteed snow and the cost of living,
the cost of skin, he is about a third to
half of what it is in New Zealand. Accommodation is
so cheap. Food the ski area passes. It's amazingly cheap.
(04:07):
Japan has not had the inflation we've had in New Zealand. Yeah,
their expectations and their sense of entitlement has been it's
just hammered down by thirty five years of deflation.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Is that a good or a bad thing? Though? Well,
deflation's not a good thing for an economy.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Well, I don't know, I don't know. Inflation is not
a good thing, Gamie.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean the.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Minimum wage going up forty eight percent in seven years,
and why do we have a minimum wage anyway? Has
resulted Our government at the moment is borrowing a million
dollars an hour, twenty four million a day to prop
up an unsustainable economy. They talk about sustainability in the environment,
blah blah blah, but they have not We have not
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got a sustainable economy in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
We might come back to the economy if we get time.
Let's talk about these sheep. Because of the ram that
was sold, and it took us all by surprise, even
the vendor, I think twenty four and a half thousand dollars.
And it was a Wiltshire Exlana cross ram born and
bred in Southam, where all the good sheep come from.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Derek does how.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Does that breed they come from?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
All right?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All right, South How does that breed differ from your nudies.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
The Excelana is a breed very similar to what we
call the nudy that we've brought in via embryo and
seamen into New Zealand. The Wilshire, of course, is the
shedding sheep that we have here in New Zealand. But
the Wilshire in New Zealand came from such a small
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base four years in one ramp important in the nineteen
seventies bred up from there, and because it's been such
a small genetic base, breed us a bread back to Coopworth,
another New Zealand breeds to get a bit of genetic diversity,
but then they put wall back on it. The advantage
of the nerdies that we've got is that they don't
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grow wool, and even our second cross three quarters we
call them Brazilians, seventy eight percent of the Uhoggitts did
not require sharing, and so you get there very quickly.
You get to a point where you don't have to
bother about wool on your sheep. So I think that's
the advantage over that our nudies have over the current
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wool shires in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So you've got a foot on both camps effectively, because
you're still actively breeding wool or dual purpose sheep at Yrary.
But are you just meeting farm and demand here effectively?
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, that's right. Look it's through the enthusiasm. The peer
Sabin who's been with on and off for about twenty years,
more than twenty years, twenty two years, and he was
over in the UK and he was looking around at
all these sheep or the breeders that had these sheep,
and he said to me, Derek, there really is a
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possibility here. I can see, He said to me, I
can see farmers in New Zealand going one of two ways,
going to the nudy type of sheep or staying with wool.
Now at Wyrary a big seller of the Waiury romney.
And I still have faith in wool Jamie, that Wolve's
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going to make it come back. In fact, I sold
war on contract with five dollars a kilo clean through
Wolves in New Zealand, and just how the day may
I put a bug in for John Matfurda, the CEO
of Wolves in New Jilly's doing an amazing job. And
I'm also put a lot of faith in the new
use as of Wooll, which is the deconstruction and particles
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of powder pigments, and that's coming along too, and there
will be a factory putting out some of that October
November this year. We'll have to be operating.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You talked about deflation in the Japanese economy over the
past thirty years, Well, that's exactly what we've had in
the strong waol industry. I mean, we're crowing about five
dollars a kilogram clean, Derek, but I got that in
the nineteen eighties as a young farmer. Effectively, wool needs
to be ten bucks to make any impact.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I totally agree with you. In fact, you know, ten
dollars plus. I would say that back in the nineteen seventies,
war was effectively twenty dollars a kilo in today's money,
and inflation has been massive. People don't realize, like a house,
average house in New Zealand ninety seventy was eighty six hundred.
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Now it's one hundred times fire, one hundred times fig.
I mean, it's just it just disrupts everything we do
and we're bring it from it in New Zealand at
the moment. So coming back to wool, yeah, it's going
to take technology to transform it into a different form,
so we're not comparing with synthetic fibers. And then I
think we have a viable industry and something that can
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convert hill country farming of sheep into a more viable
and profitable option.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Again, of course, Derek, that is if that hill country
is not all planted and pine trees.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
A look just rampant. I'm surrounded by pine trees now,
so I've got about a kilometer of grass boundary, and
then there's regen bush and so on, and yeah, honestly,
it's just going along so quickly, and the government, of
course don't want to admit just how much land has
gone into pine trees or how much more it's going
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to be planted next year, and how much has been
planted on existing farms. They talk about two hundred and
seventy thousand hectares of new plant of farms that have
been converted, but what about all the planting that is
actually happening on existing times And my guess is that
land news wise forestrand news and it has gone from
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about seven percent of our land area and it might
be getting up to nine percent.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now is the future of these wallless or shedding sheep
along thenody side of the breeding equation where they don't
grow wall to start with, because it is a bit unsightly.
I might be being a bit fussy here, but I've
seen paddocks where self shedding sheep have run around and
they're rather unbecoming.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Derek.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Oh, yeah, well that's right. But Jomie horses, cattle, deer
or grow a winter coat and they shed it and
you don't really see it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
These nudy sheep grows so little winter coat or a
birthcoat when they're born as lambs that you don't see it,
or you might see it slightly because it's white against
the grass, unlike dark here from other animals. But yeah,
it is not the insightly type of animal that you're
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talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
So we know that some of these self shedding sheep,
you know, for example the Wiltshire, they're great meat breeds
as well. I assume the same applies to the nudy Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
We've done trials with half driss, actually taken them through
the slaughter. We did about five hundred last year and
compared them to one hundred and fifty romneys, and they
were ahead on every count. In terms of growth rate
in terms of yield, and yeah, the growth rate post
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wining was terrific and really gave us confidence that we're
onto a winner here. Now. Admittedly that's the first crist
and you do get hybrid vigor, but hybrid vigor one
of the few things you get for free, so why
not have it?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Okay, regardless of the price of war, You've got the
management side of sheep that grow, wool sharing, crutching, dagging, dipping,
fly strike, you name it. Could it be that these
south shedding or nude sheep will effectively outmode a wall
sheep simply for the reason that they're just much easier
to manage and lower cost.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
We saw us a lot of our genetics from a
guy named Hayden Bulley, which is a strange name for
someone who has nudy sheep, but he had half nudies
and half Romney's endless. Rhymney had about six thousand sheep
altogether on lease land, and he says the nudy sheep
created eighty percent less work and his way of building
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equity he had eighteen houses through villages in rural England.
The last time I spoke to him, because orders some
graziness on land least, that's the way things work over there,
but it gave them time to look after his property
in so he's gradually moved out of Ronnie's and gone
(13:04):
or Nudy, Well, you are.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
A rapper farmer's behave yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I know there's a few of you over there, and
I'd love to say break a leg, but it's probably
not a good thing to say to a scare Hey,
Derek Daniel, thanks for some of your time.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Thanks showing pleasure.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Good on you, Derek.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, apparently back in the day Derek was a bit
of a playboy and international playboy. He's still, I mean
in the nicest possible way, but he's a very innovative
and entrepreneurial sort of bloke, always at the leading edge,
some might say bleeding edge when it comes to innovation
and technology and farming. Michelle Watts wandered in here Golden
(13:42):
Shear's ticket giveaways. We had the last winner picked over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Who was it with David McKay from Masterton. It's a
nice and close about that event and if.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You just pass me that wee blurb sheet if you
can on the that one there. Yeah, yep, right, So
sorry about that folks. Just a lack of preparation, A
lack of what is it, prior preparation.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Prevents poor performance.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So it's National Lamb Day on Saturday. I've been talking
about that one Rowena and I are tomorrow heading to
Wellington for the National Lamb Day barbeque on Parliament Grounds.
It's going to be good cast one thousands to talk
to there. We're teaming up with Beef and Lamb New
Zealand and the Meat Industry Association. Tomorrow we're going to
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be broadcasting live from Parliament to celebrate National Lamb Day
on February the fifteenth, Saturday. This is to a raise
a chop, very creative writing there, to raise a chop
to our farmers and the five thousand frozen lambs shipped
to London in eighteen eighty two launching New Zealand's meat
industry Michelle.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
No one likes the corrector do they no?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Well with then? Reason?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, there wasn't like five thousand lambs. It was only
six hundred lambs.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Yeah, it wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Four thousand, four hundred mutton?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Yeah, it was something like that. It's different. Do you
know the name of the boat it went.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
On, Yes, Dunedin left Port Charmers. Anyhow, that's rather petty
and picky of me. We'll update all that stuff for
you tomorrow, but make sure you fire up your barbecue
on February the fifteenth. We've got some chances for you
to win some meat packs from Beef and Lamb. New
Zealand will tell you about that one very shortly, but
(15:24):
if you want to find out more, visit National Lamb
Day dot co dot nz. And we are going to
do add dan darndas to get the supermarkets and the
butcher shops, not forgetting the local butcher shops, so that
come to the party special some lamb so keyweis can
try our national dish up next. Federated Farmers Local government
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spokesperson Sandra Faulkner in Gisbon. It's almost two years since
Cyclone Gabrielle did her darndas to make life very very
(16:08):
tough for farming folk and folk full stop, especially on
the east coast of the North Island. Let's go there now.
Sandra Faulkner is a Gisbane farmer. I guess i'd describe her,
but for the purposes of this conversation, Sandra, your Federated
Farmer's local government spokesperson. We're going to get stuck into
local government over rates. But nearly two years on, have
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you tidied everything.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Up just about but not quite where We've got a
digger on the farmer as we speak, actually probably doing
the last of the jobs, and that's reopening the springs
and the things that we've put off for a cash
flow reasons last year. And yeah, so hopefully by the
end of this month we can say yeah Tario to Gabrielle.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, and at least some other nature's playing ball this season.
You're having a very good season. Right, let's talk about rates.
That's not such good news. I would chuck rates and
with slow camper vans, wokeness and insurance costs as things
that are really annoying me at the moment now. Local
body rates are way out of control, some as high
as twenty percent increases. And it's easy to point the
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finger at local bodies and we all do it when
we pay our rates. Spell But a lot of this
is abdication, is it not, Sandra from central government?
Speaker 9 (17:28):
Yeah, it is absolutely and you will have seen today
we an federative Farmers who have just released our suggestions
even of them. In this environment of reform that our
current government is looking at how they can streamline and
work better with local government, and having sat around the
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table with local body councils up and down the country
for over twenty five years now as they develop their
annual and long term plans, I think Future is quite
uniquely placed to constructively comment on what will work not
just for rural ratepayers, but for ratepayers generally, but particularly
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in the regions.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So you're suggesting, or Federated Farmers suggesting that the government
needs to fund more of the roading rather than only
what just half of it, Because if it's not a
main state highway, the local body authority has to maintain
that road, and it's the government that's clipping the ticket
all the time on fuel tax and GST. I think
they should be funding all the roads.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, well, we're suggesting ninety percent because there is the
ability to negotiate currently, so local government has the ability
to negotiate with ALTI ended as to what their current
rate is. So I'm not going to comment on those
individual negotiations, but I think what's really important to member
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here is that it's not about returning to underspending. It's
not about sort of going back to the ones and
two percent rate rises. We know that are infrastructures lagging
behind an investment. So it's actually about figuring out ways
to just refocus and better resource local government to deliver.
(19:20):
And when I say better resource, I think we tend
to forget that these are big, multi billion dollar businesses,
So councils are big. But when it comes to roads
in particular, Yeah, there's councils out there was massive roading
networks that they are required to maintain, and the rural
rate payers on them whose rate increases amount into the
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thousands of dollars over the last couple of years, basically
seeing a declining service for a greater rate take and
that just doesn't make any sense at all to us.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, I've always long been an advocate of rates should
be user pas wealth tax, and I think farmers get
the very much the thin end of the wedge on
this one. They pay a fortune and rates and they're
lucky to get a greater up their road once a year. Sometimes.
What can we do about it? What is Federated Farmers
suggesting we do about it? Because I put it to
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you that if we keep local body rates going up
at ten, fifteen, twenty percent per year, we're all going
to go broken. I look at cities like Dunedin, where
I'm domiciled these days, Sundra and the pipes went underground
about one hundred years ago, and it's the same as Wellington.
They're all stuffed. At the same time, there's a massive
infrastructure spend that's going to have to happen.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Yes, there is, absolutely, and you could argue that probably
for generations. We'll probably definitely. For decades, elections for local
government have been based around low to no rate increase.
And for any of us that have been in business,
or even anyone that goes to the foop market, we
all know that costs don't stay signant or indeed backwards.
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So how is it that for so many years our
ELITI officials have stood on the fact that they are
not going to raise rates when all their costs are
going up around them. So hence you see the the
teriation of infrastructure, roading or pipes, of all the uncool,
unlovely stuff that we don't necessarily want to concentrate on.
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That's all got to be paid for. So what we
would really like to see amongst the other six suggestions
that we've made here is basically a stable, clear mandate
for local government that basically says, these are our roles.
You know, this is what we will deliver to you
as a rate payer, and that's going to then follow
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logically with the funding that we require from you as
a landowner. So you know, simple clarity is something that
central government can absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
All right, good luck with that one.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Sound how good to catch up and I'm glad you're
enjoying good season in Gisbon nearly two years on from cyclone, Gabrielle,
unless we forget, thanks for your time so much, Thank you,
Thank you, Sandra. It is twenty seven away from one.
You're with the country. Yes, no one likes the corrector,
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but I've done the numbers worth repeating. I think four
three hundred and thirty one mutton carcasses, five hundred and
ninety eight lamb, twenty two pigs, air, pheasant, turkey, chicken.
My favorite stat, Michelle is twenty two hundred and twenty
six sheep tongues. But and this is the one I
mentioned last week, the two hundred and forty six kegs
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of butter. So you know this is the birth of
our export dairy industry as well when the Dunedin left
porch Armers with the first frozen meat shipment on the
fifteenth of February eighteen eighty two. National Lamb Day is Saturday.
Now we're encouraging supermarkets might be.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Paying into the wind.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
There are to put a special out for National Lamb Day.
But good old Beef and Lamb New Zealand they're doing
the biz. So if you would like to chew on
some really good lamb on National Lamb Day, register your
barbecue for the chance to win one of five Lamb
barbecue boxes. They're worth two hundred bucks each. Okay, so
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the red meat sector generates twelve billion an income for
a year, second biggest industry behind derry.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
More than ninety percent.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Of our production is exported to more than one hundred
and twenty country So the website is National Lambday dot
co dot NZ. Go there and register your barbecue for
the chance to win one of five Lamb barbecue boxes
worth two hundred dollars each. Up next Sport Rural News.
(23:55):
Michelle's got a great story about beavers and of course
getting underway, will be underway just now.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We'll update it for you.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
In Sport Super Bowl Final and New Orleans the Trumpster's going.
Kansas City Chiefs going for three in a row up
against the Philly Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Welcome back to the country.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It is twenty four away from one music today courtesy
of Michelle of your Dad. You've gone through dad's record
collection and pulled out a bit of New Order and
this is Joy.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Division, is it it is?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I liberated a few records and took them home. He
wouldn't let me take home Talking Heads or any of
his Bowie collection.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Though.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What's the connection between Joy Division and New Order? There
is they got common band members.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, they have so Ian Curtis, who was the lead
singer from Joy Division. Sadly he passed away, a very
tragic event. If you forget to see the movie or
reader's book, go for it. But their bass player from
Joy Division actually started New Order after that, so that's why.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
They sound kind of similar.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Fish. Well, that's great trivia.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Like the twenty two hundred and twenty six Sheep Tongues
that left on the good Ship Dunedin to go all
the way to London. Ninety eight days at sea and
only one carcass was unfit for sale. What a great
story that is. He's Rural News The Countries.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Rural News with Cob Cadet, New Zealand's leading right on
lawn Bower brand. Visit steel Ford dot co dot nzim
for your local stockist.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
The winner of the Taranaki Mana Were two regional final
of the Young Farmers was awarded to Jock Bork over
the weekend. The nineteen year old was the youngest in
the field. He's a massy young farmer and in his
third and final year of studying for a Bachelor of
Egg Science at Messi University.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
He'll now, is he nineteen nineteen?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
He must have started university reasonably young as well. He
might be one of those super bright kids who went
straight there after six to four more year twelve.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
I was thinking that because it's a three year degree.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Whether that or he's young for his age as we say.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
Anyhow, anyhow, here nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Here we joining justin Ryegrock who won the Northern regional final.
There's five more to go before the big grand final
in Vericargo in July and the next regional finals. This
weekend in the wire Cato and a funny story I
found from around the world.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Jam, you know I'm good at trivia.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
A colony of beavers has saved the Czech government around
two point two New Zealand million dollars after completing a
still damn project themselves.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, so the beavers finish what the people couldn't. We
need some more beavers of the damning type, I might
add Michelle here in New Zealand to finish what to
get some damn projects done here.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So there you go. Let's have a look at sports.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
News Sport with the Avco Kiwi to the Bone since
nineteen oh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Four, and this was my favorite story. The young guy
from Tarrong, Sam Ruth, set the new world best mark
across fifteen hundred meters for a fifteen year old, finishing
with the time of three point forty one for fifteen
hundred meters. I mean, you're you're a runner. That's that's
a great time. John Walker, John Walker won at Montreal
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the fifteen hundred meters in three thirty six. It was
a bit of a slower final. So this kid's only
five seconds behind and he's ahead of that great at Norwegian.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Ah yeah, Inger Brickson. Yeah, so he's a bit of
an Inger bricks it's a bit of a freak of
nature as well. He does amazing stuff. But this young
fella fifteen, he's one to watch. I think for New
Zealand could be the next superstar.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And the Crusader's phrase face of front row conundrum. Four
days from their Super Rugby opener against the Hurricanes, three
props and two hookers are injured.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
There's the latest in sports news for you. We'll tell
you again how you can win the Lamb barbecue boxes
from Beef.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And Lamb New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
But up next, let's change tact and talk apples and pears.
Another good news story from the primary sector. You might
have heard this one a week but earlier this morning,
the apple and pear industry hits the one billion dollar
mark for the first time. To tell us a bit
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more about it, the chief executive of New Zealand Apples
and Pears here and Morrish and are no surprise that
apples are going great guns. How much of apple and
pears is actually pears? Not much, I would suspect.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
Good afternoon, Jamie. It's pairs are around three percent of
our total hectarage, and that's been consistent over the last
few years.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Talk to me about apples.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Are we seeing lots of new plantings of apples because
we're seeing, for instance, an expansion in the Kiwi fruit industry.
Are apples following along behind as what I'm assuming our
second biggest horticultural crop.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Certainly at the moment, the hectares are stable, which you know,
growers are looking at what can we do in that
productivity space and what can we replant? So the change
in hectare that has happened has been around new plantings
and old plantings being removed, but overall relatively stable.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
So you've got lots of flesh new brands now. And
I know there's early apples, there's small apples, there's big apples,
there's red ones, there's yellow ones, you name it. There's
something for every market. So what's really hot in the
apple market at the moment?
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Oh, the Asian market is a very good one for
our industry and they absolutely adore red sweet large apples.
So you know, anything that is that high color, high
premium is something that we definitely focus on.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We had Paul Painter on the show a few weeks ago,
and he was just lamenting how tough the recovery was
from Cyclone Gabrielle, and he was suggesting that some of
the smaller growers were really battling.
Speaker 10 (29:43):
Certainly there is still a bit of pain out there
and the one billion Whilst it is a fantastic story
to tell, we also do have to be very mindful
that growers are still hurting out there and nationwide as well,
not just within the Hawks Bay with the orchard gate
ret turn and the level of profitability.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Hawks Bays where we grow most of our apples something
like sixty five percent of the nation's apple and pear crop.
Tasman comes in second at twenty three percent, Gisbon five percent,
Central Otago just four percent. Now, when I was a
kid growing up in South And we used to take
a summer trip up to Roxburgh and Etric and the
(30:23):
place was covered in apples. A lot of those orchards
have been cleared or changing land use. Do you think
we'll see them come back into vogue in areas like that.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
I think with a change in variety, yes, And certainly
they diversify down there. As you well know, the summer
fruit market is spectacular down there.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
In terms of people employed around the nation, it's a
lot of people. Thirteen and a half thousand, seven thousand
alone in Hawk's Bay.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's a huge industry.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
It is, it is, indeed, and that's certainly why it's
good to be able to tell the story, to show
how important the industry is to each of those communities.
It's a lot of people we employ.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
How many of the thirteen and a half thousand are kiwis,
how many are backpeckers all.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
I don't have that completely to hand at the moment,
but it is a vast majority of it. And that's
certainly what the industry always strives for, is that we
place permanent roles so that we can continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
After the terrible storm of early twenty twenty three cyclone, Gabrielle,
you've effectively had at the beginning of twenty twenty five,
just two years later, the perfect storm and a nice
way of perfect weather conditions talk us through that.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Oh well.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
Certainly for the Hawks Bay this spring was spectacular. A
little bit of a top up of rain during January,
and I mean the crop is looking so colorful, beautiful
colors out there. Sounds like a lot of growers are
very happy with some very good fruit, nice and clean,
and it looks like we're going to have an excellent
season going forward.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Now, you were talking about the Asians loving big red
sweet apple. I prefer something a bit more tart. What
is your favorite apple?
Speaker 10 (32:04):
I have to confess I'm a bit of a traditionalist
and I do like a Granny Smith.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'm with you on that one. Or do you know
what else I like?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I'm not sure whether these are in vogue these
days as well. Coxas orange, oh, criky, not many of that.
I know, A good green one of those is to
die for. Maybe I am showing my age there. I
like the wee miniature apples you have out the early ones.
They're good as well.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Absolutely, they're delicious.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Hey, Karen, congratulations, congratulations to your industry, Apple and pear
industry hitting the one billion dollar mark for the first time,
and I'm so pleased. I know it's still a battle
for some or for many, but I'm so pleased that
hawks Fay's getting the rubber the green for once.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Thank you, Thanks for the opportunity to share the good news.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Thank you, Karen.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It is thirteen away from one no score as yet
in that Super Bowl final between Kansas City Chiefs and
Philadelphia Eagles. Up next, we're going to tell you how
you can win one of them those five two hundred
dollars boxes of lamb for your National Day National Lambday Barbecue.
Herbert Dahns, Welcome back to the country. Well, no one
(33:16):
likes the corrector, and I've corrected beef and Lamb New Zealand.
Now someone's corrected me. Well done. Well spotted Walker's time
in Montreal of that, Remember it was a very slow
fifteen hundred meter final was three thirty nine, not three
thirty six. So young Sam Ruth as a fifteen year old,
is only two seconds behind John Walker, the Great John
(33:36):
Walker's winning time at Montreal to win the gold medal
and the fifteen hundred incidentally, go back to nineteen seventy four,
Dick Taylor's generation and Philbert Baye set the world record
at three point thirty two, and Walker was just behind him.
And those guys yet got faster and faster. Anyhow, if
you want to win, if you want to win one
(33:58):
of the five box of lamb for your barbecue, just
go to the website National Lamb day dot co dot
z and click on register your barbecue. We've got five
of them to give away. They're worth two hundred dollars
each and they could be at your place before National
Lamb Day on Saturday. Should I say tomorrow we're in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
We'll tell you more about that later.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
But up next to its weather with Phil Duncan wrapping
the country with our guy from weatherwatch dot co dot
in z, Phil Duncan. Phil, just before we talk about
getting some rain for the especially the dry parts of
(34:47):
the North Island. Wellington Tomorrow National Lamb Day barbecue on
Parliament lawns. Do I need to take my shorts with me?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Eighteen degrees is the high, which is a little bit
lower than it's been for Wellington lately, and a windy
subbly blow out itself through with maybe a couple of showers,
some gusts getting close to gale.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
For Oh, that doesn't bode well for our gazebo that
we're hauling all the way up there. Anyhow, we might
have to go inside onions.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Wellingtonians won't consider it a windy day though, so if
that helps in any way, right.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
We'll see how we go. Look talk to me about
some rain. You've got nothing, have you? You've got no
good news.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Now, not this week. That we do have a couple
of pockets of good news. There will again today be
some really heavy afternoon downpours. They are hit and miss,
but regions like Wycuto and You might get some good downpour,
and they had the good one over the weekend, So
those are the only pockets of relief from those afternoon downpours.
There will be some other showers tomorrow with that southerly
(35:40):
that's moving up to the country. That will bring a
few showers. It's not likely to bring very much rain though,
and so not really rain relief from that. So those
downpours are the best thing going. And then later in
the week, high pressure comes in proper summer weather later
this week, and then going into the weekend that high
starts to depart. That drags down really hot north to
(36:01):
northwesterly winds. So basically, if you're dry at the moment,
unless you get one of those big afternoon downpours, you
will be dry earth by the time we talk next week.
But there's one bit of good news. There might be
some rain coming in next Monday from a connected rain
front going from the tropics all the way down to
the southern Ocean. It's a wait and see. But next
(36:22):
Monday does have a chance of rain coming in.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, okay, And I'm looking parts of the South Island
are starting to get dry now as well, not as
bad as the North Island. It's the north and west
of the North Island that's the real problem area.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Yeah, it is. And in fact, Joseph I was at
a family reunion over the weekend which is absolutely fantastic
and having chats to people talking about the weather coming
through and those that were from Hawks Bay in the
eastern side of the North Island, and I've heard this
from many other people described the weather this summer is
really strange and it's sort of the same in the
South Island too. Hasn't been overly hot, but I think
this week we might be getting a bit of a
(36:57):
shift back to that hotter, more traditional weather. But the
weather pattern does look a little bit more unsettled going
into next week, so fingers crossed for that one.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You'd be a great guy to hang around and chat
to and make small talk at a barbecue about the weather.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Fell You should be.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
You should be in Wellington tomorrow for the National Lamb
Day barbecue. Where we're going. Hey, always good to chat Phil,
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
There you go, an expert in small talk on the weather.
We'll get rid of Phil and just wind this up,
so just repeating the good news. The website is National
Lamb Day all one word dot co, dot z. Just
go to that website and click on register or barbecue.
Michelle's nodding in agreement for your chance to win one
(37:39):
of five Lamb barbecue boxes. They're worth two hundred bucks each.
That's a thousand bucks worth of Lamb that we will
be from Lamb New Zealand are going to give away
a National Lamb Day on Saturday. See you in Wellington tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brent Starkest of the
leading agriculture brands.
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Brent, You're specialist in
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
You will.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Get a new Zealand Welcome to the Country, brought to
you by Brandt. I'm Jamie McKay. Michelle's picked the music
today from a father's record collection. Not bad actually Blue
Monday a new order to kick it off for us.
Look on the show today. Very shortly. We're heading to
Japan where I think it's about eight o'clock in the
(01:01):
morning to catch up with one of our leading sheep
farmers who is skiing in Japan.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Some people lead the life, Do lead the life, don't they?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Derek Daniel to kick off the show today. As we
go further into this, I guess new fashion and sheep
farming anyhow, self shedding sheep or in his case, nerdy sheep.
Sandra Faukner is a Gisbane farmer. She's also Federated Farmer's
local government spokesperson Federated Farmers quite rightly, none too pleased
about the level of local body rates.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We all are.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean some of them are ridiculous at twenty percent,
But is it the fault of our local bodies. How
much does the government, well, how much responsibility does the
government have to take for this one? Is elland Apple
and Pears chief executive Karen Morrish. There's a good news
story Apples or mainly apples are worth a billion bucks
to us now and Phil Duncan on the weather. Yeah,
(01:53):
we need some rain for some of you folk. All
that to do on the show today, We've got rural
News with Michelle. Great story about dams and sport. I
wonder if the story of the young fifteen year old
fifteen hundred meter runner is in the sports news.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Gee.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That guy is an absolute freak and the best possible
way breaking all sorts of world records for his age.
So we've got all that to do between now and
one pm here on the country. Remember that we're counting
down to National Lamb Day, which is happening on Saturday.
We're going to get on the Supermarket's case. Hopefully they're
(02:32):
going to do something. They're going to come to the
party in special lamb so Kiwis can try it. On
Saturday tomorrow, Rowena and myself are heading to Wellington for
the National Lamb Day barbecue at Parliament grounds. Looking forward
to that one as well. It's going to be an
interesting few days. Okay, up next to de Rik Daniel.
(03:14):
It is a story we've been following with a lot
of interest recently on the country. Yes, the advent, the
popularity if you want of the self shedding sheep, you know,
the ones you don't have to share, or one man
who has always got an eye for the main chance
and has started breeding them even though he is one
of the country's best known Romney breeders. Derek Daniel joins
(03:35):
us not from his wire rapper base, Derek, but from Japan,
where you're gallivanting around on some ski slopes. There must
be some money in those neody sheep.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, of course there is, yeah, Well, and you save
a lot of money by farming the sheep, jobie. But
skin in Japan guaranteed snow and the cost of living,
the cost of skin, he is about a third to
half of what it is in New Zealand. Accommodation is
so cheap. Food the ski area passes. It's amazingly cheap.
(04:07):
Japan has not had the inflation we've had in New Zealand. Yeah,
their expectations and their sense of entitlement has been it's
just hammered down by thirty five years of deflation.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Is that a good or a bad thing? Though? Well,
deflation's not a good thing for an economy.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Well, I don't know, I don't know. Inflation is not
a good thing, Gamie.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean the.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Minimum wage going up forty eight percent in seven years,
and why do we have a minimum wage anyway? Has
resulted Our government at the moment is borrowing a million
dollars an hour, twenty four million a day to prop
up an unsustainable economy. They talk about sustainability in the environment,
blah blah blah, but they have not We have not
(04:56):
got a sustainable economy in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
We might come back to the economy if we get time.
Let's talk about these sheep. Because of the ram that
was sold, and it took us all by surprise, even
the vendor, I think twenty four and a half thousand dollars.
And it was a Wiltshire Exlana cross ram born and
bred in Southam, where all the good sheep come from.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Derek does how.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Does that breed they come from?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
All right?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All right, South How does that breed differ from your nudies.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
The Excelana is a breed very similar to what we
call the nudy that we've brought in via embryo and
seamen into New Zealand. The Wilshire, of course, is the
shedding sheep that we have here in New Zealand. But
the Wilshire in New Zealand came from such a small
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base four years in one ramp important in the nineteen
seventies bred up from there, and because it's been such
a small genetic base, breed us a bread back to Coopworth,
another New Zealand breeds to get a bit of genetic diversity,
but then they put wall back on it. The advantage
of the nerdies that we've got is that they don't
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grow wool, and even our second cross three quarters we
call them Brazilians, seventy eight percent of the Uhoggitts did
not require sharing, and so you get there very quickly.
You get to a point where you don't have to
bother about wool on your sheep. So I think that's
the advantage over that our nudies have over the current
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wool shires in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So you've got a foot on both camps effectively, because
you're still actively breeding wool or dual purpose sheep at Yrary.
But are you just meeting farm and demand here effectively?
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, that's right. Look it's through the enthusiasm. The peer
Sabin who's been with on and off for about twenty years,
more than twenty years, twenty two years, and he was
over in the UK and he was looking around at
all these sheep or the breeders that had these sheep,
and he said to me, Derek, there really is a
(07:14):
possibility here. I can see, He said to me, I
can see farmers in New Zealand going one of two ways,
going to the nudy type of sheep or staying with wool.
Now at Wyrary a big seller of the Waiury romney.
And I still have faith in wool Jamie, that Wolve's
(07:36):
going to make it come back. In fact, I sold
war on contract with five dollars a kilo clean through
Wolves in New Zealand, and just how the day may
I put a bug in for John Matfurda, the CEO
of Wolves in New Jilly's doing an amazing job. And
I'm also put a lot of faith in the new
use as of Wooll, which is the deconstruction and particles
(07:58):
of powder pigments, and that's coming along too, and there
will be a factory putting out some of that October
November this year. We'll have to be operating.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You talked about deflation in the Japanese economy over the
past thirty years, Well, that's exactly what we've had in
the strong waol industry. I mean, we're crowing about five
dollars a kilogram clean, Derek, but I got that in
the nineteen eighties as a young farmer. Effectively, wool needs
to be ten bucks to make any impact.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I totally agree with you. In fact, you know, ten
dollars plus. I would say that back in the nineteen seventies,
war was effectively twenty dollars a kilo in today's money,
and inflation has been massive. People don't realize, like a house,
average house in New Zealand ninety seventy was eighty six hundred.
(08:52):
Now it's one hundred times fire, one hundred times fig.
I mean, it's just it just disrupts everything we do
and we're bring it from it in New Zealand at
the moment. So coming back to wool, yeah, it's going
to take technology to transform it into a different form,
so we're not comparing with synthetic fibers. And then I
think we have a viable industry and something that can
(09:15):
convert hill country farming of sheep into a more viable
and profitable option.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Again, of course, Derek, that is if that hill country
is not all planted and pine trees.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
A look just rampant. I'm surrounded by pine trees now,
so I've got about a kilometer of grass boundary, and
then there's regen bush and so on, and yeah, honestly,
it's just going along so quickly, and the government, of
course don't want to admit just how much land has
gone into pine trees or how much more it's going
(09:49):
to be planted next year, and how much has been
planted on existing farms. They talk about two hundred and
seventy thousand hectares of new plant of farms that have
been converted, but what about all the planting that is
actually happening on existing times And my guess is that
land news wise forestrand news and it has gone from
(10:10):
about seven percent of our land area and it might
be getting up to nine percent.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now is the future of these wallless or shedding sheep
along thenody side of the breeding equation where they don't
grow wall to start with, because it is a bit unsightly.
I might be being a bit fussy here, but I've
seen paddocks where self shedding sheep have run around and
they're rather unbecoming.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Derek.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Oh, yeah, well that's right. But Jomie horses, cattle, deer
or grow a winter coat and they shed it and
you don't really see it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
These nudy sheep grows so little winter coat or a
birthcoat when they're born as lambs that you don't see it,
or you might see it slightly because it's white against
the grass, unlike dark here from other animals. But yeah,
it is not the insightly type of animal that you're
(11:08):
talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
So we know that some of these self shedding sheep,
you know, for example the Wiltshire, they're great meat breeds
as well. I assume the same applies to the nudy Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
We've done trials with half driss, actually taken them through
the slaughter. We did about five hundred last year and
compared them to one hundred and fifty romneys, and they
were ahead on every count. In terms of growth rate
in terms of yield, and yeah, the growth rate post
(11:40):
wining was terrific and really gave us confidence that we're
onto a winner here. Now. Admittedly that's the first crist
and you do get hybrid vigor, but hybrid vigor one
of the few things you get for free, so why
not have it?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Okay, regardless of the price of war, You've got the
management side of sheep that grow, wool sharing, crutching, dagging, dipping,
fly strike, you name it. Could it be that these
south shedding or nude sheep will effectively outmode a wall
sheep simply for the reason that they're just much easier
to manage and lower cost.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
We saw us a lot of our genetics from a
guy named Hayden Bulley, which is a strange name for
someone who has nudy sheep, but he had half nudies
and half Romney's endless. Rhymney had about six thousand sheep
altogether on lease land, and he says the nudy sheep
created eighty percent less work and his way of building
(12:42):
equity he had eighteen houses through villages in rural England.
The last time I spoke to him, because orders some
graziness on land least, that's the way things work over there,
but it gave them time to look after his property
in so he's gradually moved out of Ronnie's and gone
(13:04):
or Nudy, Well, you are.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
A rapper farmer's behave yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I know there's a few of you over there, and
I'd love to say break a leg, but it's probably
not a good thing to say to a scare Hey,
Derek Daniel, thanks for some of your time.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Thanks showing pleasure.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Good on you, Derek.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, apparently back in the day Derek was a bit
of a playboy and international playboy. He's still, I mean
in the nicest possible way, but he's a very innovative
and entrepreneurial sort of bloke, always at the leading edge,
some might say bleeding edge when it comes to innovation
and technology and farming. Michelle Watts wandered in here Golden
(13:42):
Shear's ticket giveaways. We had the last winner picked over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Who was it with David McKay from Masterton. It's a
nice and close about that event and if.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You just pass me that wee blurb sheet if you
can on the that one there. Yeah, yep, right, So
sorry about that folks. Just a lack of preparation, A
lack of what is it, prior preparation.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Prevents poor performance.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So it's National Lamb Day on Saturday. I've been talking
about that one Rowena and I are tomorrow heading to
Wellington for the National Lamb Day barbeque on Parliament Grounds.
It's going to be good cast one thousands to talk
to there. We're teaming up with Beef and Lamb New
Zealand and the Meat Industry Association. Tomorrow we're going to
(14:26):
be broadcasting live from Parliament to celebrate National Lamb Day
on February the fifteenth, Saturday. This is to a raise
a chop, very creative writing there, to raise a chop
to our farmers and the five thousand frozen lambs shipped
to London in eighteen eighty two launching New Zealand's meat
industry Michelle.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
No one likes the corrector do they no?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Well with then? Reason?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, there wasn't like five thousand lambs. It was only
six hundred lambs.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Yeah, it wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Four thousand, four hundred mutton?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Yeah, it was something like that. It's different. Do you
know the name of the boat it went.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
On, Yes, Dunedin left Port Charmers. Anyhow, that's rather petty
and picky of me. We'll update all that stuff for
you tomorrow, but make sure you fire up your barbecue
on February the fifteenth. We've got some chances for you
to win some meat packs from Beef and Lamb. New
Zealand will tell you about that one very shortly, but
(15:24):
if you want to find out more, visit National Lamb
Day dot co dot nz. And we are going to
do add dan darndas to get the supermarkets and the
butcher shops, not forgetting the local butcher shops, so that
come to the party special some lamb so keyweis can
try our national dish up next. Federated Farmers Local government
(15:45):
spokesperson Sandra Faulkner in Gisbon. It's almost two years since
Cyclone Gabrielle did her darndas to make life very very
(16:08):
tough for farming folk and folk full stop, especially on
the east coast of the North Island. Let's go there now.
Sandra Faulkner is a Gisbane farmer. I guess i'd describe her,
but for the purposes of this conversation, Sandra, your Federated
Farmer's local government spokesperson. We're going to get stuck into
local government over rates. But nearly two years on, have
(16:31):
you tidied everything.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Up just about but not quite where We've got a
digger on the farmer as we speak, actually probably doing
the last of the jobs, and that's reopening the springs
and the things that we've put off for a cash
flow reasons last year. And yeah, so hopefully by the
end of this month we can say yeah Tario to Gabrielle.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, and at least some other nature's playing ball this season.
You're having a very good season. Right, let's talk about rates.
That's not such good news. I would chuck rates and
with slow camper vans, wokeness and insurance costs as things
that are really annoying me at the moment now. Local
body rates are way out of control, some as high
as twenty percent increases. And it's easy to point the
(17:18):
finger at local bodies and we all do it when
we pay our rates. Spell But a lot of this
is abdication, is it not, Sandra from central government?
Speaker 9 (17:28):
Yeah, it is absolutely and you will have seen today
we an federative Farmers who have just released our suggestions
even of them. In this environment of reform that our
current government is looking at how they can streamline and
work better with local government, and having sat around the
(17:52):
table with local body councils up and down the country
for over twenty five years now as they develop their
annual and long term plans, I think Future is quite
uniquely placed to constructively comment on what will work not
just for rural ratepayers, but for ratepayers generally, but particularly
(18:16):
in the regions.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So you're suggesting, or Federated Farmers suggesting that the government
needs to fund more of the roading rather than only
what just half of it, Because if it's not a
main state highway, the local body authority has to maintain
that road, and it's the government that's clipping the ticket
all the time on fuel tax and GST. I think
they should be funding all the roads.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, well, we're suggesting ninety percent because there is the
ability to negotiate currently, so local government has the ability
to negotiate with ALTI ended as to what their current
rate is. So I'm not going to comment on those
individual negotiations, but I think what's really important to member
(19:00):
here is that it's not about returning to underspending. It's
not about sort of going back to the ones and
two percent rate rises. We know that are infrastructures lagging
behind an investment. So it's actually about figuring out ways
to just refocus and better resource local government to deliver.
(19:20):
And when I say better resource, I think we tend
to forget that these are big, multi billion dollar businesses,
So councils are big. But when it comes to roads
in particular, Yeah, there's councils out there was massive roading
networks that they are required to maintain, and the rural
rate payers on them whose rate increases amount into the
(19:45):
thousands of dollars over the last couple of years, basically
seeing a declining service for a greater rate take and
that just doesn't make any sense at all to us.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, I've always long been an advocate of rates should
be user pas wealth tax, and I think farmers get
the very much the thin end of the wedge on
this one. They pay a fortune and rates and they're
lucky to get a greater up their road once a year. Sometimes.
What can we do about it? What is Federated Farmers
suggesting we do about it? Because I put it to
(20:16):
you that if we keep local body rates going up
at ten, fifteen, twenty percent per year, we're all going
to go broken. I look at cities like Dunedin, where
I'm domiciled these days, Sundra and the pipes went underground
about one hundred years ago, and it's the same as Wellington.
They're all stuffed. At the same time, there's a massive
infrastructure spend that's going to have to happen.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Yes, there is, absolutely, and you could argue that probably
for generations. We'll probably definitely. For decades, elections for local
government have been based around low to no rate increase.
And for any of us that have been in business,
or even anyone that goes to the foop market, we
all know that costs don't stay signant or indeed backwards.
(21:00):
So how is it that for so many years our
ELITI officials have stood on the fact that they are
not going to raise rates when all their costs are
going up around them. So hence you see the the
teriation of infrastructure, roading or pipes, of all the uncool,
unlovely stuff that we don't necessarily want to concentrate on.
(21:22):
That's all got to be paid for. So what we
would really like to see amongst the other six suggestions
that we've made here is basically a stable, clear mandate
for local government that basically says, these are our roles.
You know, this is what we will deliver to you
as a rate payer, and that's going to then follow
(21:45):
logically with the funding that we require from you as
a landowner. So you know, simple clarity is something that
central government can absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
All right, good luck with that one.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Sound how good to catch up and I'm glad you're
enjoying good season in Gisbon nearly two years on from cyclone, Gabrielle,
unless we forget, thanks for your time so much, Thank you,
Thank you, Sandra. It is twenty seven away from one.
You're with the country. Yes, no one likes the corrector,
(22:18):
but I've done the numbers worth repeating. I think four
three hundred and thirty one mutton carcasses, five hundred and
ninety eight lamb, twenty two pigs, air, pheasant, turkey, chicken.
My favorite stat, Michelle is twenty two hundred and twenty
six sheep tongues. But and this is the one I
mentioned last week, the two hundred and forty six kegs
(22:38):
of butter. So you know this is the birth of
our export dairy industry as well when the Dunedin left
porch Armers with the first frozen meat shipment on the
fifteenth of February eighteen eighty two. National Lamb Day is Saturday.
Now we're encouraging supermarkets might be.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Paying into the wind.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
There are to put a special out for National Lamb Day.
But good old Beef and Lamb New Zealand they're doing
the biz. So if you would like to chew on
some really good lamb on National Lamb Day, register your
barbecue for the chance to win one of five Lamb
barbecue boxes. They're worth two hundred bucks each. Okay, so
(23:24):
the red meat sector generates twelve billion an income for
a year, second biggest industry behind derry.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
More than ninety percent.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Of our production is exported to more than one hundred
and twenty country So the website is National Lambday dot
co dot NZ. Go there and register your barbecue for
the chance to win one of five Lamb barbecue boxes
worth two hundred dollars each. Up next Sport Rural News.
(23:55):
Michelle's got a great story about beavers and of course
getting underway, will be underway just now.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We'll update it for you.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
In Sport Super Bowl Final and New Orleans the Trumpster's going.
Kansas City Chiefs going for three in a row up
against the Philly Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Welcome back to the country.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It is twenty four away from one music today courtesy
of Michelle of your Dad. You've gone through dad's record
collection and pulled out a bit of New Order and
this is Joy.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Division, is it it is?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I liberated a few records and took them home. He
wouldn't let me take home Talking Heads or any of
his Bowie collection.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Though.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What's the connection between Joy Division and New Order? There
is they got common band members.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, they have so Ian Curtis, who was the lead
singer from Joy Division. Sadly he passed away, a very
tragic event. If you forget to see the movie or
reader's book, go for it. But their bass player from
Joy Division actually started New Order after that, so that's why.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
They sound kind of similar.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Fish. Well, that's great trivia.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Like the twenty two hundred and twenty six Sheep Tongues
that left on the good Ship Dunedin to go all
the way to London. Ninety eight days at sea and
only one carcass was unfit for sale. What a great
story that is. He's Rural News The Countries.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Rural News with Cob Cadet, New Zealand's leading right on
lawn Bower brand. Visit steel Ford dot co dot nzim
for your local stockist.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
The winner of the Taranaki Mana Were two regional final
of the Young Farmers was awarded to Jock Bork over
the weekend. The nineteen year old was the youngest in
the field. He's a massy young farmer and in his
third and final year of studying for a Bachelor of
Egg Science at Messi University.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
He'll now, is he nineteen nineteen?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
He must have started university reasonably young as well. He
might be one of those super bright kids who went
straight there after six to four more year twelve.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
I was thinking that because it's a three year degree.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Whether that or he's young for his age as we say.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
Anyhow, anyhow, here nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Here we joining justin Ryegrock who won the Northern regional final.
There's five more to go before the big grand final
in Vericargo in July and the next regional finals. This
weekend in the wire Cato and a funny story I
found from around the world.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Jam, you know I'm good at trivia.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
A colony of beavers has saved the Czech government around
two point two New Zealand million dollars after completing a
still damn project themselves.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, so the beavers finish what the people couldn't. We
need some more beavers of the damning type, I might
add Michelle here in New Zealand to finish what to
get some damn projects done here.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So there you go. Let's have a look at sports.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
News Sport with the Avco Kiwi to the Bone since
nineteen oh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Four, and this was my favorite story. The young guy
from Tarrong, Sam Ruth, set the new world best mark
across fifteen hundred meters for a fifteen year old, finishing
with the time of three point forty one for fifteen
hundred meters. I mean, you're you're a runner. That's that's
a great time. John Walker, John Walker won at Montreal
(27:07):
the fifteen hundred meters in three thirty six. It was
a bit of a slower final. So this kid's only
five seconds behind and he's ahead of that great at Norwegian.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Ah yeah, Inger Brickson. Yeah, so he's a bit of
an Inger bricks it's a bit of a freak of
nature as well. He does amazing stuff. But this young
fella fifteen, he's one to watch. I think for New
Zealand could be the next superstar.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And the Crusader's phrase face of front row conundrum. Four
days from their Super Rugby opener against the Hurricanes, three
props and two hookers are injured.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
There's the latest in sports news for you. We'll tell
you again how you can win the Lamb barbecue boxes
from Beef.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And Lamb New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
But up next, let's change tact and talk apples and pears.
Another good news story from the primary sector. You might
have heard this one a week but earlier this morning,
the apple and pear industry hits the one billion dollar
mark for the first time. To tell us a bit
(28:08):
more about it, the chief executive of New Zealand Apples
and Pears here and Morrish and are no surprise that
apples are going great guns. How much of apple and
pears is actually pears? Not much, I would suspect.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
Good afternoon, Jamie. It's pairs are around three percent of
our total hectarage, and that's been consistent over the last
few years.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Talk to me about apples.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Are we seeing lots of new plantings of apples because
we're seeing, for instance, an expansion in the Kiwi fruit industry.
Are apples following along behind as what I'm assuming our
second biggest horticultural crop.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Certainly at the moment, the hectares are stable, which you know,
growers are looking at what can we do in that
productivity space and what can we replant? So the change
in hectare that has happened has been around new plantings
and old plantings being removed, but overall relatively stable.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
So you've got lots of flesh new brands now. And
I know there's early apples, there's small apples, there's big apples,
there's red ones, there's yellow ones, you name it. There's
something for every market. So what's really hot in the
apple market at the moment?
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Oh, the Asian market is a very good one for
our industry and they absolutely adore red sweet large apples.
So you know, anything that is that high color, high
premium is something that we definitely focus on.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We had Paul Painter on the show a few weeks ago,
and he was just lamenting how tough the recovery was
from Cyclone Gabrielle, and he was suggesting that some of
the smaller growers were really battling.
Speaker 10 (29:43):
Certainly there is still a bit of pain out there
and the one billion Whilst it is a fantastic story
to tell, we also do have to be very mindful
that growers are still hurting out there and nationwide as well,
not just within the Hawks Bay with the orchard gate
ret turn and the level of profitability.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Hawks Bays where we grow most of our apples something
like sixty five percent of the nation's apple and pear crop.
Tasman comes in second at twenty three percent, Gisbon five percent,
Central Otago just four percent. Now, when I was a
kid growing up in South And we used to take
a summer trip up to Roxburgh and Etric and the
(30:23):
place was covered in apples. A lot of those orchards
have been cleared or changing land use. Do you think
we'll see them come back into vogue in areas like that.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
I think with a change in variety, yes, And certainly
they diversify down there. As you well know, the summer
fruit market is spectacular down there.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
In terms of people employed around the nation, it's a
lot of people. Thirteen and a half thousand, seven thousand
alone in Hawk's Bay.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's a huge industry.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
It is, it is, indeed, and that's certainly why it's
good to be able to tell the story, to show
how important the industry is to each of those communities.
It's a lot of people we employ.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
How many of the thirteen and a half thousand are kiwis,
how many are backpeckers all.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
I don't have that completely to hand at the moment,
but it is a vast majority of it. And that's
certainly what the industry always strives for, is that we
place permanent roles so that we can continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
After the terrible storm of early twenty twenty three cyclone, Gabrielle,
you've effectively had at the beginning of twenty twenty five,
just two years later, the perfect storm and a nice
way of perfect weather conditions talk us through that.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Oh well.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
Certainly for the Hawks Bay this spring was spectacular. A
little bit of a top up of rain during January,
and I mean the crop is looking so colorful, beautiful
colors out there. Sounds like a lot of growers are
very happy with some very good fruit, nice and clean,
and it looks like we're going to have an excellent
season going forward.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Now, you were talking about the Asians loving big red
sweet apple. I prefer something a bit more tart. What
is your favorite apple?
Speaker 10 (32:04):
I have to confess I'm a bit of a traditionalist
and I do like a Granny Smith.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'm with you on that one. Or do you know
what else I like?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I'm not sure whether these are in vogue these
days as well. Coxas orange, oh, criky, not many of that.
I know, A good green one of those is to
die for. Maybe I am showing my age there. I
like the wee miniature apples you have out the early ones.
They're good as well.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Absolutely, they're delicious.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Hey, Karen, congratulations, congratulations to your industry, Apple and pear
industry hitting the one billion dollar mark for the first time,
and I'm so pleased. I know it's still a battle
for some or for many, but I'm so pleased that
hawks Fay's getting the rubber the green for once.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Thank you, Thanks for the opportunity to share the good news.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Thank you, Karen.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It is thirteen away from one no score as yet
in that Super Bowl final between Kansas City Chiefs and
Philadelphia Eagles. Up next, we're going to tell you how
you can win one of them those five two hundred
dollars boxes of lamb for your National Day National Lambday Barbecue.
Herbert Dahns, Welcome back to the country. Well, no one
(33:16):
likes the corrector, and I've corrected beef and Lamb New Zealand.
Now someone's corrected me. Well done. Well spotted Walker's time
in Montreal of that, Remember it was a very slow
fifteen hundred meter final was three thirty nine, not three
thirty six. So young Sam Ruth as a fifteen year old,
is only two seconds behind John Walker, the Great John
(33:36):
Walker's winning time at Montreal to win the gold medal
and the fifteen hundred incidentally, go back to nineteen seventy four,
Dick Taylor's generation and Philbert Baye set the world record
at three point thirty two, and Walker was just behind him.
And those guys yet got faster and faster. Anyhow, if
you want to win, if you want to win one
(33:58):
of the five box of lamb for your barbecue, just
go to the website National Lamb day dot co dot
z and click on register your barbecue. We've got five
of them to give away. They're worth two hundred dollars
each and they could be at your place before National
Lamb Day on Saturday. Should I say tomorrow we're in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
We'll tell you more about that later.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
But up next to its weather with Phil Duncan wrapping
the country with our guy from weatherwatch dot co dot
in z, Phil Duncan. Phil, just before we talk about
getting some rain for the especially the dry parts of
(34:47):
the North Island. Wellington Tomorrow National Lamb Day barbecue on
Parliament lawns. Do I need to take my shorts with me?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Eighteen degrees is the high, which is a little bit
lower than it's been for Wellington lately, and a windy
subbly blow out itself through with maybe a couple of showers,
some gusts getting close to gale.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
For Oh, that doesn't bode well for our gazebo that
we're hauling all the way up there. Anyhow, we might
have to go inside onions.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Wellingtonians won't consider it a windy day though, so if
that helps in any way, right.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
We'll see how we go. Look talk to me about
some rain. You've got nothing, have you? You've got no
good news.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Now, not this week. That we do have a couple
of pockets of good news. There will again today be
some really heavy afternoon downpours. They are hit and miss,
but regions like Wycuto and You might get some good downpour,
and they had the good one over the weekend, So
those are the only pockets of relief from those afternoon downpours.
There will be some other showers tomorrow with that southerly
(35:40):
that's moving up to the country. That will bring a
few showers. It's not likely to bring very much rain though,
and so not really rain relief from that. So those
downpours are the best thing going. And then later in
the week, high pressure comes in proper summer weather later
this week, and then going into the weekend that high
starts to depart. That drags down really hot north to
(36:01):
northwesterly winds. So basically, if you're dry at the moment,
unless you get one of those big afternoon downpours, you
will be dry earth by the time we talk next week.
But there's one bit of good news. There might be
some rain coming in next Monday from a connected rain
front going from the tropics all the way down to
the southern Ocean. It's a wait and see. But next
(36:22):
Monday does have a chance of rain coming in.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, okay, And I'm looking parts of the South Island
are starting to get dry now as well, not as
bad as the North Island. It's the north and west
of the North Island that's the real problem area.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Yeah, it is. And in fact, Joseph I was at
a family reunion over the weekend which is absolutely fantastic
and having chats to people talking about the weather coming
through and those that were from Hawks Bay in the
eastern side of the North Island, and I've heard this
from many other people described the weather this summer is
really strange and it's sort of the same in the
South Island too. Hasn't been overly hot, but I think
this week we might be getting a bit of a
(36:57):
shift back to that hotter, more traditional weather. But the
weather pattern does look a little bit more unsettled going
into next week, so fingers crossed for that one.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You'd be a great guy to hang around and chat
to and make small talk at a barbecue about the weather.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Fell You should be.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
You should be in Wellington tomorrow for the National Lamb
Day barbecue. Where we're going. Hey, always good to chat Phil,
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
There you go, an expert in small talk on the weather.
We'll get rid of Phil and just wind this up,
so just repeating the good news. The website is National
Lamb Day all one word dot co, dot z. Just
go to that website and click on register or barbecue.
Michelle's nodding in agreement for your chance to win one
(37:39):
of five Lamb barbecue boxes. They're worth two hundred bucks each.
That's a thousand bucks worth of Lamb that we will
be from Lamb New Zealand are going to give away
a National Lamb Day on Saturday. See you in Wellington tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brent Starkest of the
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