June 16, 2024 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Phil Duncan, Jacinta Penn, Grant McCallum and Mark Patterson, and Dr Jacqueline Rowarth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Bred You're specialist in
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ellen, This is the Country. I'm Jamie McKay. We're all
over the place on the Country. Spent the last three
days of last week at Field Days at Mystery Creek.
Today I'm in the Hokanois Studios in Gore. Long story
behind that one. Breaking news. We've got breaking planes, but
also breaking news, and this is rather sad. Green Party
(00:57):
co leader Marama Davidson has been or has announced that
she's been diagnosed with breast cancer. She says the cancer
has been caught early and she will be having a
partial mistechnomy in the first week of July. Following this,
she'll be taking leave to recover. And we wish Marama
Davidson all the best. It's a very stressful life being
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a politician, so I'm sure she'll get the space and
time she needs to recover. Good luck with that one.
The other one big story out there is breaking planes.
What are shambles? What are complete shambles? This has been
You can imagine how angry Christopher Luxen, former chief executive
of Annie Zealanders and then to make matters worse, to
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add insult to injury, Greg Foran, the current chief executive
of Her New Zealand, was stuck in Papua New Guinea
as well. My understanding is because I've just got a
text in from Todd McLay, who was going to kick
off the show, is that they're going to be landing
in Brisbane shortly. Then they're off to Japan. How to
see the World the Long Way Round. We were to
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have kicked off the show with Todd McLay, we will
have to leave him until tomorrow. I'll tell you who
is on the show, though very shortly on my list
of people I didn't get to catch up with at
Field days. Just sent to Penn from a country or
a company should I say, called Fleescro. She won the
Innovations Award. We'll find out what she's doing with wool.
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This is an exciting story. Hopefully it may be a
meaningful and large scale use for strong Wool. A farmer
slash politician panel today Grant McCullum out of Northland, Mark
Patterson out of the Deep South South Otago Farmers talking
about wall Mark Patterson's leading the charge on that on
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behalf of the government. Dr Jaqueline Rowath, primary sector academic
on the value of cooperatives. I might even tell you
about a wei email I got from a guy by
the name of Larry on Friday night, just as I
was jumping on the plane to head home from field Days.
And Larry got stuck into me and we'll let you
know why before the end of the hour. And Greg
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Miller also on my list of people I wanted to
chat to at field Days. I did a couple of
videos with him and the team from PGG Rights and
he's the national fundraising manager for the IHC CARF and
Rural Scheme. Missed him at field Days. We're going to
get him today. Those canvasses, by the way, are out
and about around the country. If they drive up, you
drive away. I know things are tough out there, but
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be generous. It's for the greater good. Okay. Phil Duncan's
going to kick it off from weather Watch, sitting in
for Todd McLay, the Minister of Agriculture and Trade. Get
a pel that's what an honor. Well you were going
to be last, but I got desperate. I'd planned. Sorry, Phil,
I had planned or burn I apologize. I love you, Peel.
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I had planned to kick off with Todd McLay and
that was arranged late last week. He was meant to
be in Tokyo.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Been fun watching that plane fly around. If I lived
next to the General Pie Air Force Base and often
see that plane flying around, it always looks like it's
flying smoothly and lovely. The second it seems to have
any sort of officials on board, a fuse or a
light doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I neglected to say we kicked it off with Did
I say that Rowena's listening and she might text me
or Michelle Simon Labon honored in the King's Birthday honors
from Duran Duranne about time Grade eighties banned. Anyhow, we're
more of Duran Jurann as we go. It was very
very wet for periods on Friday at Field Days fill
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I got back to Dunedin and we were almost underwater
on Saturday. So it is winter, I guess, And from
a farming point of view, I know that farmers would
much sooner take this in June and August or September.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, there's plenty of rain around this week. It's not
necessarily pouring with rain every day, but there's a lot
of wet weather moving around the country and it's due
to the massive low pressure zone that's covering the Tasmin Sea.
But interestingly is the high pressure zone south of New Zealand,
south of the Tasman that is sneaking along over the
next day or two, and that does two things. Number One,
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it cuts off the southerly flow into that Tasmin low
pressure zone, so it weakens over the next few days.
The other part of it, though, as that high moves along,
it'sredges up a cold southerly and that turns around as
a cold east to northeasterly, which the South Island and
the Lower North Island will experience over the next few days.
So it's going to be a bit colder in the east,
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but if you're at the top of New Zealand, warmer
than average, and that low in the Tasman, even though
it's going to weaken, is likely to reform again this
weekend and then it crosses back over us, so Sunday
might be similar to how last Friday was. As you mentioned,
wet in a number of places, so it's a complicated
low not only that the low pressure zone might stick
around for all of next week as well, bringing it
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to a total of fifteen days affecting our weather. And
last month we have high pressure zones that we're doing that,
So it's just a we've still got slow moving weather systems.
It's just now it's low pressure instead of high pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Away. What about a week away from the shortest.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Day, Yeah, it's the twenty first, the end of this
week Friday, and then once we get past that point
roll on to summer, the days start to get longer again.
But of course the coldest weather kicks in usually July
and the very first couple of weeks of August.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, the six weeks after the shortest day are normally
the coldest. Anything else, we need to keep an eye
out fulfill before we try and track down just center pen.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, not a huge amount going on. I just think
that there could be some pockets of heavy rain. But
I'm hopeful that actually the farmers that still need rain
will get the rain they need. I know it's the
wrong time of the year, but still you still need
the rain. You need the rain, So if it's falling now,
that's a better time than you know, maybe not till
later in the year. So I think hopefully we're getting
a bit of a reset rebalancing at the moment and
that should be good news for a number of places.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, we certainly hope those farmers on the dry regions
east coast of both Islands, Lower North Island and Dunedin
upwoulds basically do get some meaningful rain. Phil Duncan, thank
you very much. She did an excellent job of sitting
in for Todd McLay who's sitting on as Todd somewhere
between Papa New Guinea or Port Moresby and Brisbane. I
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think he might be due to land in Brisbane at
about twelve point thirty. Will update that one for you
and the other one was the breaking news. I just
need to repeat this that Green Party co leader Marama
Davidson has announced she's been diagnosed with breast cancer. But
she's got it early and she will have an operation
and then take some leave to get over it. We
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wish her all the best. Up next, on the Country,
brought to you by Brandon. How good was it for
Brandt to win the best large site at Field Days?
Up next, she's sent a pen from a company called
Flea scrow. They or she was the winner of the
Innovations Award at field Days using wool. This is an
interesting story using wool to grow plants. Playing to you
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after the break how it happens. Well, here's one of
the people I wanted to catch up with at field
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Days on Friday, but just didn't have time, so I
promised her i'd chat to her today. She won the
Innovation Award at field Days and the old days we
used to call it the Inventor's Award, where she's invented
a marvelous idea, but has it got legs? Let's ask her.
Her name is Jacenter Pens. She's the director and chief
researcher of a company called Flescrow and Jacenter, you want
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to grow plants in Wall and you reckon maybe we
can commercialize this to the extent that it could be
a major use for strong crossbred wall. Good afternoon, Hi,
you said, Lubia.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's a really great opportunity for New Zealand before we
can commercialize this at scale.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So what sort of scale are we looking at? Well, actually,
before you answer that question, let's go back a step.
Explain to me what fleas Grow wants to achieve because
I saw there was little potles of wool and you
were growing plants in them. Yes, why aren't we growing
plants and little potles of soil?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, in greenhouses, they tend to use what we call
soil this medium and they run a liquid nutrient next
through it, and that allows them to control the amounts
of nutrients. Salt can be quite inconsistent, as you know,
some are more nutritous than others to the plant, and
it tends to have more disease when grind and soil indoors.
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So they use either pete, which is a carbon store,
so we want to stop bringing that up, or rock
will or coco quoi, and they coming out of bags
or blocks and something like pete. It's been banned in
the UK for use in horse culture and in some
parts of Europe because it's a carbon store, so they
need to find alternatives. So there's going to be a
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nice big gap in an already established market. It's a
four billion dollar market for growing media and it's expected
to double next ten years.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Explain this to me, or explain it to the listers,
because I've kind of had a bit of a peak
sneak or preview on this. So you're basically growing the
seedling using wall as a medium, and it's grown by
having a nutrient solution, isn't it. So wall is basically
just the holder for the plant to establish.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Correct It basically provides a hold for the root and
also for the air and liquids that are coming through it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You talked about potentially commercializing this to a large scale,
and you mentioned the number, which I've already forgotten. I
apologize to center, but just talk to me on where
this possibly could go. Because we've got all these wonderful
niche uses for strong crossbread wall, like I don't know,
making surfboards and all that sort of stuff. But until
we can find something that is large enough of a scale,
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the industry is still going to be in trouble.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I agree. I think we've haing some amazing science ideas
of what to do before over the last few years,
but it's really the commercialization and selling it. Its gal
and blind all that the wall farmers need. So this
is a very big market. To give you an idea,
one greenhouse, one Heapa greenhouse might use five thousand one
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meta slabs and fifteen thousand blocks sitting on top of them.
With the plugs in them, so it's got huge potential.
And so if we can get that going at scale.
To give you an idea, you are similar rock wall
businesses that are worth one hundred million a year. If
we could do forty million a year, that would be
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about four million kg of wall.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Can you compete price wise with the old fashioned mediums?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yes, So we're trying to price it at parity with
rockwell that tends to go up and down a lot
because of shipping costs, changing with stresses from pandemics and
droughts in the Panama Canal, and who to use it
the suiz, So we're going to sit it right in
the middle and give it a nice stable price.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Chasinta must have been a surreal feather in your cap,
should I say, winning the Innovations Award at Field Days.
How much of a kickstart is this for your business?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
This is amazing. The money that they've given us will
go straight to buying machines so we can make more samples,
getting it out to growers to test it and prove
it works. And we've also got the design time with
Blender and the AWS machine learning package, which are really
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going to make a big difference to us with automation.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well well done and I wish you all the best
for your Comny fle Scrow, You're good for plants and
the planet. That's your we byline. And I know that
you're almost hoarse after talking all week last week at
field Days, so thanks, thanks for sum of your time
on the Monday afterwards.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Absolutely it's a pleasure and Field Days is a pleasure too.
We met Sony, great people who are pen on supporting
at along the way.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Jacinta Penn one of the Innovation Award or one of
the innovation awards at field Days. The company is Flea Scrow.
A meaningful use for strong crossbred Wall. We grow plants
in it. Great thinking. Up next, a man who is
really keen to do something about Wall. Associate Administer Mark
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Patterson from New Zealand First and the Country Regular Grant
mcnational McCullum. He was at Field Days. In fact, he
was dressed like a cowboy. All the other nats were
dressed up and he was dressed a bit roughly. I
might ask him about that. I've got a very special
birthday coming up today. More about that with Rowena, who's
sitting in our Auckland Studios helping out Andy McDonald who's
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paneling the show. Dr Jacqueline Roworth are shocking shocking email
received by Larry as I was making my way home
from field days on Friday and Greg Miller. Why if
an IHC carfin rural scheme Canvasser drives up your road?
You need to support this wonderful course. It's all on
the Country, brought to you by Brand twenty seven after
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twelve you're with the Country. Simon Lebonn from Duran, Duran
honored by Charles and the King's Birthday Honors, just had
him when over the weekend was it trooping the color?
What a wonderful thing that is to be I took
a group of farmers over to the UK. It was
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the first time I'd been there myself in two thousand
and three. We were staying right beside Buckingham Palace. What
a great part of London and we just happened to
arrive the day before the trooping of Color. Wonderful. If
you're ever in London at that time of the year,
it's magnificent. These two probably have been in London at
various times, no doubt. At the Taxpayer's expense, but not
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on an air Force plane. I wouldn't think Grant mcnasal
McCullum and Mark Patterson have farmer politician panel. I'll start
with you, Grant, what the hell's going on with your plane?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I wish we all knew. I think it's probably the
biggest frustration is that Prime Minister irand the in former
CEO obviously New Zealand has to deal with but ultimately
reflects country which needs a stronger economy. So we're going
to afford the level of services we all probably feel
we deserve. So we do go onto the world stage,
we don't make fools of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Are we in danger? Grant? I'll stick with you. We'll
come to market a minute of becoming a banana Republic.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I wouldn't quite go that far. But if if we don't,
But what if we don't get our economy right that
the dangers of a slippy engineer, a fird woral status
are real worry, which is why we're very focused on
a big turnaround job, as you will know, and why
the field days las week are so important and what
they symbolize in terms of the sector that's going to
help drive that.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
If they were so important? Why did you come along
dressed like John Wayne? Mark Patterson. I'll bring you and Mark,
I saw you there. You were there at the opening
of Field Days, resplendent in your suit. You look like
a proper politician.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Well on New Zealand first, of course, high standard.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So is this a decree from Winston, the most adappa
of all politicians, that you have to wear a suit
and tie to such events? Because the nets, the nets
were all running around in their swan drise. It's just
that that mcgrant there, he decided to add a week
bit of it was almost like, what's the party marry
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leader's name? Are he such a forgettable person? I've forgotten
his name. Grant? You look like him?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Where you go? Mark?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I was lamentable from Grant, but I would like to
move down to the swan driers. The week went on,
just the opening the suit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Wow, you look, you looked, You looked very good. Now
where's actually I know where he's been. He's been off shore.
We've got him on Wednesday show, looking forward to that one.
I don't know whether you whether they had you on
hold long enough Mark Patterson for you to hear it
just Ciner Pen from Fleescrow. She was the winner of
the Innovations Award at Field Days. You know, we're going
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to grow plants and wool, hopefully we're going to use
a lot of strong crossbred wall to do. So this
is a subject that you're passionate about and doing a
lot of work on. How's it going?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Yeah, it's got to And I mean I met just
cent here and was that those awards had a answer
and see which is up to Of course ball aid
that does the sticking plass is made of woll. They
won the overall wards. So really good showcasing of the
innovation that's going on in the wall sector at the moment.
So that's where the great hope is some of these
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value add products that are coming along.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But these value add products, and I made the point
to Jaciner, they need to be on a large scar because,
as I said, we've got all these niche We can
make lipstick, we can make surfboards, we can do all
that sort of stuff, but that's not going to solve
the problem.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah I did, right, Jamie. But some of these innovations
that are coming along, maybe not not the two that
I referenced earlier are going to be major users of wall.
There's quite a big trend going back to natural fibers
at the moment, and you know, if we can ride
that wave get the right companies with the right product
at the right time, I think we can really lift demmand.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Mark WHI think.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Okay, I've got something to add if your mind jamis
just several day peaceable. I had to commend Mark for
his leadership in the space. He's brought a real passion
and drive to it. The other thing is that it's
really important here is as we do this and get
more wall used, the grower needs to be paid. He
give a lot more than they are now. We don't
want products building and build people building a business case
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based on two three dollars a kilo. It's got to
be ten plus dollars a kilo. So that's where the
farmers have got to be. And I know Mark's focused
on that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, Okay, Mark Patterson, I'm going to go back to
you ask my question before Grant rudely interrupted. What was
going to be can wall cut it as an insulation fiber,
because what I'm hearing is that even if you've got
the wall for nothing thing, it's still more expensive than
the synthetic or fiberglass product.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Yeah, well, I think, well there's other properties of course,
and you know, not being flammable being one in terms
of as a building product or as a flaw covering
or furnishing interior. But Grant's right, the real challenge here is,
you know, it's not having more insulation is not necessarily
the answer, and it is the answer for your oddments
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and the like, but we really need those high end acoustics,
that sort of stuff that you know some of these
companies are developing and starting to open up real markets
for that's where the real ten dollars a kilo stuff
that Grant's talking about and is absolutely right and saying
that that's where that's going to come from.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Now you're having these woolshed meetings. What sort of reception
are you getting.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
We've been really good.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I think farmers have appreciated the fact we're meeting them
where they are. We've been critical the last government for
decreeing from Wellington. You know, farmers being farmers, we're not
getting an easy ride out there. They're holding our feet
at the fire and I think that's good as well.
But there's genuine interest in the wall thing, what the
possibilities are, the potenture is, and of course some of
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that will come back to farmers ourselves in terms of
how we organize ourselves. To the point Grant made earlier,
we actually have to have a pipeline that gets it
back behind a farm gate. It can be just a
few manufacturers making off of the large profits based off
a low wall price.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Hey Mark Patterson, thank you very much for your time.
Grant Patterson. I do know a Grant Patterson, no Grant McCullum,
because I haven't got access to a text machine unfortunately,
because I'm sitting in the hok and Neui's studios, So
I apologize if you've texted in on five double oh
nine and I haven't been able to react to it.
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But I did get a text and from our joint
friend Grant Jeremy Rooks. You said Rock's fashion. He said
you looked like a creepy scout master with that appalling
hat on, which I think is a bit tough, but
not a bad shot coming from Rock.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The land of gentry, from Canterbury there, it's exactly what
you expect. You're not a bit of do around, sit
around or dawn and find out think of abusive lines
that text you on.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Jamie a former wall grower who sold his soul, sold
his sold to trees. Anyhow, he might have been smarter
than the average bear. Who knows They got to go guys,
thank you very much. So it's twenty six away from
one New with the Country, brought to you by Brant Up.
Next we're off to Auckland, Andy McDonnell doing the paddeling
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rowenas wandered in there to do rural news because we
can't connect to Michelle and Dunedin. We are truly all
over the place. But there's something special happening in Dunedin tonight.
I'm going to talk about that before the end of
the hour, doctor Jacqueline Rowath, Greg Miller from the IHC
CARF and Rural Scheme, and we're going to tell you
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and Gore. We're all over the place. As I said,
big birthday party tonight and I had to turn down
an invitation to this one blowing out sixty candles. My
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Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, there we go, Rowena Duncan with Rural News. Here's
Andy McDonald and I've just go'd have to have a
brief gloating moment my five dollars on Bryson to shambo
paying twenty one's has paid a handsome dividend for me,
and the Chiefs got up for me over the weekend.
What a brilliant weekend of sports betting. I'm happy with
myself because I'm normally a loser. Has sports news.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Sport with Avco Kiwi to the bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Yes, well, Jamie, you've stolen my lead sports story, but
I'm relad it anyway. Bryson to Shambos triumph by a
stroke from Rory McElroy to win a second US Open,
this time on the Pinehurst Number two course in North Carolina.
I know for something you didn't know is I think
Scotti Scheffler. He finished in a tie for forty thirst
for forty first.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
So there you go.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
There's a bit of sports news that you haven't already
said warriors Ford at Curte Cape Paul has been recalled
to Queensland for next Wednesday's second State of Origin League match.
Cape Pull has been named on the interchange in Jersey.
Seventeen and England have opened with a win at the
Euro twenty twenty four football tournament. Jude Bellingham goal has
helped secure a one NIEL win over Serbia. That's sport, Jammie.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I wouldn't hold my breath if I I was an
England fan. Up next Jacqueline, Doctor Jacqueline Ralth, the value
of cooperatives and a very very unusual email I got
on my way home from field Days on Friday. She
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is one of New Zealand's leading farming academics and a
passionate supporter of cooperatives. Just like Larriers mentioned Larry's second name,
Jacqueline Rawath. But he wrote me an email on Friday,
and I had the good pleasure to reader on the
way home from field Days. I'll read you a couple
of the highlights. Sentences started off he wasted no time.
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He said, you're a clown, Jamie. And then he was
getting stuck into me about talking to Open Country Dairy
and how that wasn't supporting a strong cooperative structure. The
reality is the New zealandairy industry rights. Larry would be
better off if the likes of you and OCD were
bankrupt Oo Larry's strong words. And then he said, just
remember every time you talk to your mate at OCD,
(28:35):
every listener out there with an inkling of intelligence thinks
you're an absolute dropkick now, Jacqueline, largely tell us how
you really feel, Larry. Largely at field days. It was
so humbling to have farmers and townies alike come up
and say they listen to the show, they enjoy the show.
And my message to people like larryers we will get
(28:58):
onto you, Jacqueline. If you don't like the show, there's
plenty of other options. Just change channels. Don't be a
drop kick yourself, Larry. Although I may have used stronger
language when I replied, apologies about that, Larry. Anyhow, Jaquelin,
your chance to be a passionate advocate for corpentutions.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Levybodies, associations, institute all of these things working for collective
good in a way that no farmer can do alone.
So yes, absolutely, I am a passionate supporter. I've been
president of things like Glasslands Association and Institute of agul
Haut Science, elected my members. I'm on the boards of
Cooperatives and Leavy groups, and I know that we focus
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on industry good. I'm also a member of things that
focus on a discipline and Federated Farmers. I'm a member
there focuses on getting the farmer boys into Wellington they
all have a role and no individual can do the
work that these collectives do. And I've looked at South
Africa and looked at South America. I've looked at UK
and EU, and that's what the column is about this week,
(30:01):
is looking at how other countries manage. And they manage
either in South America with very low wages or across
the EU and UK with subsidies. We can be proud
of what our cooperatives et cet have achieved.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, okay, Well, John Key once famously said where Fonterra goes,
New Zealand goes. And one of the discussions that we
had at Field Days over a few beers one night
was whether the dairy industry had a much better structure
than the meat industry. And I would argue it does.
I mean, Fonterra's got like something like eighty percent of
the milk supply. You've got your open countries, you've got
(30:39):
your Westlands, your Maracas. I was going to say Sinley
then not really fashionable at the moment, but you've got
these smaller players keeping the big player honest. And we
need that big player to be a strong marketer overseas.
The likes of Larry just wants a single desk marketer.
Maybe he's got a point, But when I compare that
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equal to the shambles that is currently the meat industry,
I think the dairy industry's got it much better.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
We look at structure and hope that the form follows function.
What we actually trying to achieve is tiny New Zealand
playing on the global market, and we have achieved it
in some areas, and of course the milk carrier is
part of that. And yet smaller companies and Tartua would
be the most innovative cooperative.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
We have.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Dodge around the sides and show a different way, and
then other groups might follow, or they might say, actually
we need to forge a past of our own. But
always when we're working together we are stronger than if
we work singly.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And apologies for not mentioning Tatua. It is an outstanding success.
And of every cooperative was efficient as efficient and paid
its shareholders as well as Tatua, we'd all be we'd
all be rich. I reckon anyhow, the future for New Zealand,
it's still under a cooperative. We need, for instance, for
the dairy industry, we need a strong Fonterra. I look
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at the Kiwi fruit industry with zespriy that seems to
be going really well.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Well, yes, and there's been a bit of a problem there,
but every industry has cycles of going well and not
going so well. But our collective strength and there's research
on it across the world. Our collective strength in New
Zealand is through our structures with cooperative levybodies and the
associations and institutes and nobody else now the country has
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quite such a good system as we do in New
Zealand of working.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Together and you can read all about it on our
website Thecountry dot co dot nz. An excellent column on Cooperate.
There's some lovely history you've woven into the narrative there too, Jacquelin,
if you don't mind me saying, we really do appreciate
your contribution here on the country. How did just finally,
how did you enjoy field days?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Always enjoy field days? But the general buzz was positive.
There were some big ticket items but the longest to
with a free apple pint at Machas, which I think
is a bit disappointing. But over all, lots of launches,
lots of people networking, and anybody who missed out on
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Field Days that comes from Norton could go to the
Northern Dairy Development Trust meeting on Thursday and learn about
the recent science and how we're going to achieve surviving
in this interesting world in which we are at the moment.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And that sounds like a shameless plug for your next
speaking gig. We appreciate you. The gig should do for us.
Got to go. Thanks for your time, Jacqueline. Thanks Jacquelin,
it is nine away from one. You're with the country
brought to you by Brent. Run out of time to
have a to Greg Miller. I'll get him on tomorrow's show.
(33:49):
He was on my list of people I needed to
talk to at Field Days, the national fundraising manager for
the IHC CARF and Rural Scheme. Remember those canvases are
out and about on the North and South Islands at
the moment. If they drive up your driveway, please give
a few possibly can right, we're going to wrap the
country with Andy McDonald and Rowena Duncan in Auckland. We
(34:12):
might go a wee bit further into Larry's email, and
we also might have a look at a brilliant sporting
weekend unless you're a Warriors fan, and what chance the Chiefs.
I've got a cunning little bet for you at the
tab and I am gloating here because I've come off
a successful weekend. I hardly have any at the tab,
but I've got a bet that I think is unlosable
(34:33):
on the Chiefs famous last words, isn't it. We'll wrap
the show with that next Welcome back to the Country.
Wrapping it from the Hokanui Studios in Eastern Southland. Simon Lebon,
(34:57):
frontman for Duran Duranne, honored in the King's Birthday Honors
last weekend. We're over the weekend in the UK and
I've had to We're not allowed to open up the
tab sports betting app when we're on Company Wi Fi,
so I've had to go and get rid of the
Company Wi Fi for a moment. My unbeatable bet. By
(35:19):
the way, Rowena and Andy there in Auckland, how about
this one? The Chiefs with a four and a half
point start, so that means they can lose effectively by
four points or less, or when paying a dollar ninety,
how to double your money overnight.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
I'm still not talking to you because I'm a Hurricanes
fan through and through and it still hurts Jamie this
was our season.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, but there's something about the Chiefs. They've always sort
of been my second team behind the Highlanders. And let's
face it, who wants Auckland to win Andy even though
you are in Auckland.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Because you can't stand Auckland or christ Church. So yeah, no,
I like that, but.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I don't mind the Canes, although pious TJ Piranara and
his vegan it's annoy me. Good player, but I just
wish he'd stick to playing.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Rugby, probably the all Black half back.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But no, yes, and deservedly so percent.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
But no, I do like that bet because it's going
to be one close either way. I reckon and and
the Blues play such a tight brand of rugby that
I don't see them running away with it completely if
they if they're doing it won.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And how portant important will the battle of the number
ten sp Damien McKenzie's he's a good south than lad two,
really starting to find his feet at the absolute top level.
Now he's a game He's a game changer.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
He absolutely is, but he's also prone to the absolutely
explode or completely fizzle.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
So no, no, no, No, that's old Damien McKenzie. You
Damien m McKenzie's much better than that, and he's the reputation. Jamie, Well,
we won't go on about yours. Andy.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
You happy the Crusaders are not in the final.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, I think everyone's happy the Crusaders aren't on the
final yeap just on the US Golf Open. My five
dollars on I'm a big punter on Bryson to Sham
paying twenty ones at the beginning. What an inspired decision
that was. I haven't seen it because I was in
transit this morning, but Andy, obviously they went down to
the wire, him and Rory who chased him all the way.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Yeah, Jamie, I've got to be honest. I was also
on trainsit this morning, so I didn't see it, but yeah,
I'll just commentate what the internet tells me, and so yeah,
they were. They were down to the wire the whole way.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well there you go, all right, team, thank you very
much for paneling the show out of Auckland. We've gone
from Gore to Auckland and we touched for Dunedin in between.
We'll be back at HQ and duned and tomorrow. Thank
you very much, for listening and to all the people
who came up to us at field days and said
they enjoy the show. Look, thank you very much. Really,
(37:43):
every listener is a prisoner and Larry. I think, Larry,
if you and I were to meet, you wouldn't think
I'm such a bad bugger. We'll catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ellen, This is the Country. I'm Jamie McKay. We're all
over the place on the Country. Spent the last three
days of last week at Field Days at Mystery Creek.
Today I'm in the Hokanois Studios in Gore. Long story
behind that one. Breaking news. We've got breaking planes, but
also breaking news, and this is rather sad. Green Party
(00:57):
co leader Marama Davidson has been or has announced that
she's been diagnosed with breast cancer. She says the cancer
has been caught early and she will be having a
partial mistechnomy in the first week of July. Following this,
she'll be taking leave to recover. And we wish Marama
Davidson all the best. It's a very stressful life being
(01:20):
a politician, so I'm sure she'll get the space and
time she needs to recover. Good luck with that one.
The other one big story out there is breaking planes.
What are shambles? What are complete shambles? This has been
You can imagine how angry Christopher Luxen, former chief executive
of Annie Zealanders and then to make matters worse, to
(01:41):
add insult to injury, Greg Foran, the current chief executive
of Her New Zealand, was stuck in Papua New Guinea
as well. My understanding is because I've just got a
text in from Todd McLay, who was going to kick
off the show, is that they're going to be landing
in Brisbane shortly. Then they're off to Japan. How to
see the World the Long Way Round. We were to
(02:02):
have kicked off the show with Todd McLay, we will
have to leave him until tomorrow. I'll tell you who
is on the show, though very shortly on my list
of people I didn't get to catch up with at
Field days. Just sent to Penn from a country or
a company should I say, called Fleescro. She won the
Innovations Award. We'll find out what she's doing with wool.
(02:23):
This is an exciting story. Hopefully it may be a
meaningful and large scale use for strong Wool. A farmer
slash politician panel today Grant McCullum out of Northland, Mark
Patterson out of the Deep South South Otago Farmers talking
about wall Mark Patterson's leading the charge on that on
(02:44):
behalf of the government. Dr Jaqueline Rowath, primary sector academic
on the value of cooperatives. I might even tell you
about a wei email I got from a guy by
the name of Larry on Friday night, just as I
was jumping on the plane to head home from field Days.
And Larry got stuck into me and we'll let you
know why before the end of the hour. And Greg
(03:05):
Miller also on my list of people I wanted to
chat to at field Days. I did a couple of
videos with him and the team from PGG Rights and
he's the national fundraising manager for the IHC CARF and
Rural Scheme. Missed him at field Days. We're going to
get him today. Those canvasses, by the way, are out
and about around the country. If they drive up, you
drive away. I know things are tough out there, but
(03:26):
be generous. It's for the greater good. Okay. Phil Duncan's
going to kick it off from weather Watch, sitting in
for Todd McLay, the Minister of Agriculture and Trade. Get
a pel that's what an honor. Well you were going
to be last, but I got desperate. I'd planned. Sorry, Phil,
I had planned or burn I apologize. I love you, Peel.
(03:48):
I had planned to kick off with Todd McLay and
that was arranged late last week. He was meant to
be in Tokyo.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Been fun watching that plane fly around. If I lived
next to the General Pie Air Force Base and often
see that plane flying around, it always looks like it's
flying smoothly and lovely. The second it seems to have
any sort of officials on board, a fuse or a
light doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I neglected to say we kicked it off with Did
I say that Rowena's listening and she might text me
or Michelle Simon Labon honored in the King's Birthday honors
from Duran Duranne about time Grade eighties banned. Anyhow, we're
more of Duran Jurann as we go. It was very
very wet for periods on Friday at Field Days fill
(04:34):
I got back to Dunedin and we were almost underwater
on Saturday. So it is winter, I guess, And from
a farming point of view, I know that farmers would
much sooner take this in June and August or September.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, there's plenty of rain around this week. It's not
necessarily pouring with rain every day, but there's a lot
of wet weather moving around the country and it's due
to the massive low pressure zone that's covering the Tasmin Sea.
But interestingly is the high pressure zone south of New Zealand,
south of the Tasman that is sneaking along over the
next day or two, and that does two things. Number One,
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it cuts off the southerly flow into that Tasmin low
pressure zone, so it weakens over the next few days.
The other part of it, though, as that high moves along,
it'sredges up a cold southerly and that turns around as
a cold east to northeasterly, which the South Island and
the Lower North Island will experience over the next few days.
So it's going to be a bit colder in the east,
(05:32):
but if you're at the top of New Zealand, warmer
than average, and that low in the Tasman, even though
it's going to weaken, is likely to reform again this
weekend and then it crosses back over us, so Sunday
might be similar to how last Friday was. As you mentioned,
wet in a number of places, so it's a complicated
low not only that the low pressure zone might stick
around for all of next week as well, bringing it
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to a total of fifteen days affecting our weather. And
last month we have high pressure zones that we're doing that,
So it's just a we've still got slow moving weather systems.
It's just now it's low pressure instead of high pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Away. What about a week away from the shortest.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Day, Yeah, it's the twenty first, the end of this
week Friday, and then once we get past that point
roll on to summer, the days start to get longer again.
But of course the coldest weather kicks in usually July
and the very first couple of weeks of August.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, the six weeks after the shortest day are normally
the coldest. Anything else, we need to keep an eye
out fulfill before we try and track down just center pen.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, not a huge amount going on. I just think
that there could be some pockets of heavy rain. But
I'm hopeful that actually the farmers that still need rain
will get the rain they need. I know it's the
wrong time of the year, but still you still need
the rain. You need the rain, So if it's falling now,
that's a better time than you know, maybe not till
later in the year. So I think hopefully we're getting
a bit of a reset rebalancing at the moment and
that should be good news for a number of places.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, we certainly hope those farmers on the dry regions
east coast of both Islands, Lower North Island and Dunedin
upwoulds basically do get some meaningful rain. Phil Duncan, thank
you very much. She did an excellent job of sitting
in for Todd McLay who's sitting on as Todd somewhere
between Papa New Guinea or Port Moresby and Brisbane. I
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think he might be due to land in Brisbane at
about twelve point thirty. Will update that one for you
and the other one was the breaking news. I just
need to repeat this that Green Party co leader Marama
Davidson has announced she's been diagnosed with breast cancer. But
she's got it early and she will have an operation
and then take some leave to get over it. We
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wish her all the best. Up next, on the Country,
brought to you by Brandon. How good was it for
Brandt to win the best large site at Field Days?
Up next, she's sent a pen from a company called
Flea scrow. They or she was the winner of the
Innovations Award at field Days using wool. This is an
interesting story using wool to grow plants. Playing to you
(08:00):
after the break how it happens. Well, here's one of
the people I wanted to catch up with at field
(08:21):
Days on Friday, but just didn't have time, so I
promised her i'd chat to her today. She won the
Innovation Award at field Days and the old days we
used to call it the Inventor's Award, where she's invented
a marvelous idea, but has it got legs? Let's ask her.
Her name is Jacenter Pens. She's the director and chief
researcher of a company called Flescrow and Jacenter, you want
(08:44):
to grow plants in Wall and you reckon maybe we
can commercialize this to the extent that it could be
a major use for strong crossbred wall. Good afternoon, Hi,
you said, Lubia.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's a really great opportunity for New Zealand before we
can commercialize this at scale.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So what sort of scale are we looking at? Well, actually,
before you answer that question, let's go back a step.
Explain to me what fleas Grow wants to achieve because
I saw there was little potles of wool and you
were growing plants in them. Yes, why aren't we growing
plants and little potles of soil?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, in greenhouses, they tend to use what we call
soil this medium and they run a liquid nutrient next
through it, and that allows them to control the amounts
of nutrients. Salt can be quite inconsistent, as you know,
some are more nutritous than others to the plant, and
it tends to have more disease when grind and soil indoors.
(09:42):
So they use either pete, which is a carbon store,
so we want to stop bringing that up, or rock
will or coco quoi, and they coming out of bags
or blocks and something like pete. It's been banned in
the UK for use in horse culture and in some
parts of Europe because it's a carbon store, so they
need to find alternatives. So there's going to be a
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nice big gap in an already established market. It's a
four billion dollar market for growing media and it's expected
to double next ten years.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Explain this to me, or explain it to the listers,
because I've kind of had a bit of a peak
sneak or preview on this. So you're basically growing the
seedling using wall as a medium, and it's grown by
having a nutrient solution, isn't it. So wall is basically
just the holder for the plant to establish.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Correct It basically provides a hold for the root and
also for the air and liquids that are coming through it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You talked about potentially commercializing this to a large scale,
and you mentioned the number, which I've already forgotten. I
apologize to center, but just talk to me on where
this possibly could go. Because we've got all these wonderful
niche uses for strong crossbread wall, like I don't know,
making surfboards and all that sort of stuff. But until
we can find something that is large enough of a scale,
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the industry is still going to be in trouble.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I agree. I think we've haing some amazing science ideas
of what to do before over the last few years,
but it's really the commercialization and selling it. Its gal
and blind all that the wall farmers need. So this
is a very big market. To give you an idea,
one greenhouse, one Heapa greenhouse might use five thousand one
(11:32):
meta slabs and fifteen thousand blocks sitting on top of them.
With the plugs in them, so it's got huge potential.
And so if we can get that going at scale.
To give you an idea, you are similar rock wall
businesses that are worth one hundred million a year. If
we could do forty million a year, that would be
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about four million kg of wall.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Can you compete price wise with the old fashioned mediums?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yes, So we're trying to price it at parity with
rockwell that tends to go up and down a lot
because of shipping costs, changing with stresses from pandemics and
droughts in the Panama Canal, and who to use it
the suiz, So we're going to sit it right in
the middle and give it a nice stable price.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Chasinta must have been a surreal feather in your cap,
should I say, winning the Innovations Award at Field Days.
How much of a kickstart is this for your business?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
This is amazing. The money that they've given us will
go straight to buying machines so we can make more samples,
getting it out to growers to test it and prove
it works. And we've also got the design time with
Blender and the AWS machine learning package, which are really
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going to make a big difference to us with automation.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well well done and I wish you all the best
for your Comny fle Scrow, You're good for plants and
the planet. That's your we byline. And I know that
you're almost hoarse after talking all week last week at
field Days, so thanks, thanks for sum of your time
on the Monday afterwards.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Absolutely it's a pleasure and Field Days is a pleasure too.
We met Sony, great people who are pen on supporting
at along the way.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Jacinta Penn one of the Innovation Award or one of
the innovation awards at field Days. The company is Flea Scrow.
A meaningful use for strong crossbred Wall. We grow plants
in it. Great thinking. Up next, a man who is
really keen to do something about Wall. Associate Administer Mark
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Patterson from New Zealand First and the Country Regular Grant
mcnational McCullum. He was at Field Days. In fact, he
was dressed like a cowboy. All the other nats were
dressed up and he was dressed a bit roughly. I
might ask him about that. I've got a very special
birthday coming up today. More about that with Rowena, who's
sitting in our Auckland Studios helping out Andy McDonald who's
(14:07):
paneling the show. Dr Jacqueline Roworth are shocking shocking email
received by Larry as I was making my way home
from field days on Friday and Greg Miller. Why if
an IHC carfin rural scheme Canvasser drives up your road?
You need to support this wonderful course. It's all on
the Country, brought to you by Brand twenty seven after
(14:54):
twelve you're with the Country. Simon Lebonn from Duran, Duran
honored by Charles and the King's Birthday Honors, just had
him when over the weekend was it trooping the color?
What a wonderful thing that is to be I took
a group of farmers over to the UK. It was
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the first time I'd been there myself in two thousand
and three. We were staying right beside Buckingham Palace. What
a great part of London and we just happened to
arrive the day before the trooping of Color. Wonderful. If
you're ever in London at that time of the year,
it's magnificent. These two probably have been in London at
various times, no doubt. At the Taxpayer's expense, but not
(15:36):
on an air Force plane. I wouldn't think Grant mcnasal
McCullum and Mark Patterson have farmer politician panel. I'll start
with you, Grant, what the hell's going on with your plane?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I wish we all knew. I think it's probably the
biggest frustration is that Prime Minister irand the in former
CEO obviously New Zealand has to deal with but ultimately
reflects country which needs a stronger economy. So we're going
to afford the level of services we all probably feel
we deserve. So we do go onto the world stage,
we don't make fools of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Are we in danger? Grant? I'll stick with you. We'll
come to market a minute of becoming a banana Republic.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I wouldn't quite go that far. But if if we don't,
But what if we don't get our economy right that
the dangers of a slippy engineer, a fird woral status
are real worry, which is why we're very focused on
a big turnaround job, as you will know, and why
the field days las week are so important and what
they symbolize in terms of the sector that's going to
help drive that.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
If they were so important? Why did you come along
dressed like John Wayne? Mark Patterson. I'll bring you and Mark,
I saw you there. You were there at the opening
of Field Days, resplendent in your suit. You look like
a proper politician.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Well on New Zealand first, of course, high standard.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So is this a decree from Winston, the most adappa
of all politicians, that you have to wear a suit
and tie to such events? Because the nets, the nets
were all running around in their swan drise. It's just
that that mcgrant there, he decided to add a week
bit of it was almost like, what's the party marry
(17:20):
leader's name? Are he such a forgettable person? I've forgotten
his name. Grant? You look like him?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Where you go? Mark?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I was lamentable from Grant, but I would like to
move down to the swan driers. The week went on,
just the opening the suit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Wow, you look, you looked, You looked very good. Now
where's actually I know where he's been. He's been off shore.
We've got him on Wednesday show, looking forward to that one.
I don't know whether you whether they had you on
hold long enough Mark Patterson for you to hear it
just Ciner Pen from Fleescrow. She was the winner of
the Innovations Award at Field Days. You know, we're going
(18:03):
to grow plants and wool, hopefully we're going to use
a lot of strong crossbred wall to do. So this
is a subject that you're passionate about and doing a
lot of work on. How's it going?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Yeah, it's got to And I mean I met just
cent here and was that those awards had a answer
and see which is up to Of course ball aid
that does the sticking plass is made of woll. They
won the overall wards. So really good showcasing of the
innovation that's going on in the wall sector at the moment.
So that's where the great hope is some of these
(18:36):
value add products that are coming along.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But these value add products, and I made the point
to Jaciner, they need to be on a large scar because,
as I said, we've got all these niche We can
make lipstick, we can make surfboards, we can do all
that sort of stuff, but that's not going to solve
the problem.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah I did, right, Jamie. But some of these innovations
that are coming along, maybe not not the two that
I referenced earlier are going to be major users of wall.
There's quite a big trend going back to natural fibers
at the moment, and you know, if we can ride
that wave get the right companies with the right product
at the right time, I think we can really lift demmand.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Mark WHI think.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Okay, I've got something to add if your mind jamis
just several day peaceable. I had to commend Mark for
his leadership in the space. He's brought a real passion
and drive to it. The other thing is that it's
really important here is as we do this and get
more wall used, the grower needs to be paid. He
give a lot more than they are now. We don't
want products building and build people building a business case
(19:39):
based on two three dollars a kilo. It's got to
be ten plus dollars a kilo. So that's where the
farmers have got to be. And I know Mark's focused
on that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, Okay, Mark Patterson, I'm going to go back to
you ask my question before Grant rudely interrupted. What was
going to be can wall cut it as an insulation fiber,
because what I'm hearing is that even if you've got
the wall for nothing thing, it's still more expensive than
the synthetic or fiberglass product.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Yeah, well, I think, well there's other properties of course,
and you know, not being flammable being one in terms
of as a building product or as a flaw covering
or furnishing interior. But Grant's right, the real challenge here is,
you know, it's not having more insulation is not necessarily
the answer, and it is the answer for your oddments
(20:28):
and the like, but we really need those high end acoustics,
that sort of stuff that you know some of these
companies are developing and starting to open up real markets
for that's where the real ten dollars a kilo stuff
that Grant's talking about and is absolutely right and saying
that that's where that's going to come from.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Now you're having these woolshed meetings. What sort of reception
are you getting.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
We've been really good.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I think farmers have appreciated the fact we're meeting them
where they are. We've been critical the last government for
decreeing from Wellington. You know, farmers being farmers, we're not
getting an easy ride out there. They're holding our feet
at the fire and I think that's good as well.
But there's genuine interest in the wall thing, what the
possibilities are, the potenture is, and of course some of
(21:14):
that will come back to farmers ourselves in terms of
how we organize ourselves. To the point Grant made earlier,
we actually have to have a pipeline that gets it
back behind a farm gate. It can be just a
few manufacturers making off of the large profits based off
a low wall price.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Hey Mark Patterson, thank you very much for your time.
Grant Patterson. I do know a Grant Patterson, no Grant McCullum,
because I haven't got access to a text machine unfortunately,
because I'm sitting in the hok and Neui's studios, So
I apologize if you've texted in on five double oh
nine and I haven't been able to react to it.
(21:53):
But I did get a text and from our joint
friend Grant Jeremy Rooks. You said Rock's fashion. He said
you looked like a creepy scout master with that appalling
hat on, which I think is a bit tough, but
not a bad shot coming from Rock.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The land of gentry, from Canterbury there, it's exactly what
you expect. You're not a bit of do around, sit
around or dawn and find out think of abusive lines
that text you on.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Jamie a former wall grower who sold his soul, sold
his sold to trees. Anyhow, he might have been smarter
than the average bear. Who knows They got to go guys,
thank you very much. So it's twenty six away from
one New with the Country, brought to you by Brant Up.
Next we're off to Auckland, Andy McDonnell doing the paddeling
(22:39):
rowenas wandered in there to do rural news because we
can't connect to Michelle and Dunedin. We are truly all
over the place. But there's something special happening in Dunedin tonight.
I'm going to talk about that before the end of
the hour, doctor Jacqueline Rowath, Greg Miller from the IHC
CARF and Rural Scheme, and we're going to tell you
all about how you can be a part of the
(22:59):
Raboban Good Deeds promotion. Twenty two away from one. Just
before we go to Rowena who's in Auckland for Rural
News in Dunedin where Michelle is. But I'm not. I'm
and Gore. We're all over the place. As I said,
big birthday party tonight and I had to turn down
an invitation to this one blowing out sixty candles. My
(23:23):
favorite brewer. He is the godfather of craft. Bear Richard Emerson, Richard,
if you're listening, maybe that might be a fraudy and
slip as well. Richard, just have a great sixtieth birthday.
You're an absolute legend to you and Greg and all
the team at Emerson's. You know, we love being part
(23:43):
of your team and we love you. Bear. Monday's alcohol
free day though, are Rowena Duncan. Here's the latest and
rural news.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 8 (24:01):
Oh, Jamie Mackay, Richard, if you're listening.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
No, well sorry, look I'll just explain. I didn't mean
it like that. Richard's got a great sense of humor.
Now Richard is almost totally deaf, but he's such a
great communicator and he's a legend. I mean it started
by it with his father, who was a chemistry professor
or something at the university. Started pottering around in the
garage in the eighties and look where they are now.
(24:25):
We're all going to the Test match in Dunedin in
a couple or two or three weeks time. Everyone will
be queuing up outside to get into Emersonce. It's an
absolute institution in Dunedin. Oh, it really is.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
And I was invited tonight as well and obviously not
able to make it so happy birthday. If someone could
pass that on to Richard from me as well. Look
in Rural News, Prime Minister Christopher Luxen has popped into
Papa New Guinea on his way en route to Japan.
He's met with the Papa New Guinea Prime Minister James
marra Pay to discuss regional issues in one of them
as a new partnership agreement between the countries expected to
(24:59):
be signed full September, and the expansion of the Recognized
Seasonal Employer Worker Program that's the RC workers that allows
workers from nine participating Pacific countries to come here to
New Zealand. Prime Minister Christopher Luxeen says he thinks that
the amount of RAC workers in New Zealand needs to
double from about nineteen thousand up to about thirty eight
(25:20):
thousand over a period of time. But also what we've
got to make sure is that we've got the right
accommodation in place and everything ready to support these workers
as well. That's such a huge part of our economy.
We need them. They need the income for their families
at home as well, so we've got to make sure
this works. And also if you've got a local sports
club or a community hall in need of some TLC
(25:43):
basically a rural community project that could benefit from five
thousand dollars pass a day's labor courtesy of the team
at Rabobank in US here at the Country. You need
to get amongst this. It is Rabobank's Good Deeds promotion.
We've been running this since twenty seventeen in association with Rabobank,
and we give you the cash and the day's labor
to benefit your rural community. Head to rabobank dot co
(26:06):
dot nz submit your entry now. Entries close on Sunday,
the thirtieth of Joan and we will announce the winner
live here on the Country thereafter.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, there we go, Rowena Duncan with Rural News. Here's
Andy McDonald and I've just go'd have to have a
brief gloating moment my five dollars on Bryson to shambo
paying twenty one's has paid a handsome dividend for me,
and the Chiefs got up for me over the weekend.
What a brilliant weekend of sports betting. I'm happy with
myself because I'm normally a loser. Has sports news.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Sport with Avco Kiwi to the bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Yes, well, Jamie, you've stolen my lead sports story, but
I'm relad it anyway. Bryson to Shambos triumph by a
stroke from Rory McElroy to win a second US Open,
this time on the Pinehurst Number two course in North Carolina.
I know for something you didn't know is I think
Scotti Scheffler. He finished in a tie for forty thirst
for forty first.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
So there you go.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
There's a bit of sports news that you haven't already
said warriors Ford at Curte Cape Paul has been recalled
to Queensland for next Wednesday's second State of Origin League match.
Cape Pull has been named on the interchange in Jersey.
Seventeen and England have opened with a win at the
Euro twenty twenty four football tournament. Jude Bellingham goal has
helped secure a one NIEL win over Serbia. That's sport, Jammie.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I wouldn't hold my breath if I I was an
England fan. Up next Jacqueline, Doctor Jacqueline Ralth, the value
of cooperatives and a very very unusual email I got
on my way home from field Days on Friday. She
(27:52):
is one of New Zealand's leading farming academics and a
passionate supporter of cooperatives. Just like Larriers mentioned Larry's second name,
Jacqueline Rawath. But he wrote me an email on Friday,
and I had the good pleasure to reader on the
way home from field Days. I'll read you a couple
of the highlights. Sentences started off he wasted no time.
(28:13):
He said, you're a clown, Jamie. And then he was
getting stuck into me about talking to Open Country Dairy
and how that wasn't supporting a strong cooperative structure. The
reality is the New zealandairy industry rights. Larry would be
better off if the likes of you and OCD were
bankrupt Oo Larry's strong words. And then he said, just
remember every time you talk to your mate at OCD,
(28:35):
every listener out there with an inkling of intelligence thinks
you're an absolute dropkick now, Jacqueline, largely tell us how
you really feel, Larry. Largely at field days. It was
so humbling to have farmers and townies alike come up
and say they listen to the show, they enjoy the show.
And my message to people like larryers we will get
(28:58):
onto you, Jacqueline. If you don't like the show, there's
plenty of other options. Just change channels. Don't be a
drop kick yourself, Larry. Although I may have used stronger
language when I replied, apologies about that, Larry. Anyhow, Jaquelin,
your chance to be a passionate advocate for corpentutions.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Levybodies, associations, institute all of these things working for collective
good in a way that no farmer can do alone.
So yes, absolutely, I am a passionate supporter. I've been
president of things like Glasslands Association and Institute of agul
Haut Science, elected my members. I'm on the boards of
Cooperatives and Leavy groups, and I know that we focus
(29:38):
on industry good. I'm also a member of things that
focus on a discipline and Federated Farmers. I'm a member
there focuses on getting the farmer boys into Wellington they
all have a role and no individual can do the
work that these collectives do. And I've looked at South
Africa and looked at South America. I've looked at UK
and EU, and that's what the column is about this week,
(30:01):
is looking at how other countries manage. And they manage
either in South America with very low wages or across
the EU and UK with subsidies. We can be proud
of what our cooperatives et cet have achieved.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, okay, Well, John Key once famously said where Fonterra goes,
New Zealand goes. And one of the discussions that we
had at Field Days over a few beers one night
was whether the dairy industry had a much better structure
than the meat industry. And I would argue it does.
I mean, Fonterra's got like something like eighty percent of
the milk supply. You've got your open countries, you've got
(30:39):
your Westlands, your Maracas. I was going to say Sinley
then not really fashionable at the moment, but you've got
these smaller players keeping the big player honest. And we
need that big player to be a strong marketer overseas.
The likes of Larry just wants a single desk marketer.
Maybe he's got a point, But when I compare that
(31:00):
equal to the shambles that is currently the meat industry,
I think the dairy industry's got it much better.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
We look at structure and hope that the form follows function.
What we actually trying to achieve is tiny New Zealand
playing on the global market, and we have achieved it
in some areas, and of course the milk carrier is
part of that. And yet smaller companies and Tartua would
be the most innovative cooperative.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
We have.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Dodge around the sides and show a different way, and
then other groups might follow, or they might say, actually
we need to forge a past of our own. But
always when we're working together we are stronger than if
we work singly.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And apologies for not mentioning Tatua. It is an outstanding success.
And of every cooperative was efficient as efficient and paid
its shareholders as well as Tatua, we'd all be we'd
all be rich. I reckon anyhow, the future for New Zealand,
it's still under a cooperative. We need, for instance, for
the dairy industry, we need a strong Fonterra. I look
(32:03):
at the Kiwi fruit industry with zespriy that seems to
be going really well.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Well, yes, and there's been a bit of a problem there,
but every industry has cycles of going well and not
going so well. But our collective strength and there's research
on it across the world. Our collective strength in New
Zealand is through our structures with cooperative levybodies and the
associations and institutes and nobody else now the country has
(32:32):
quite such a good system as we do in New
Zealand of working.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Together and you can read all about it on our
website Thecountry dot co dot nz. An excellent column on Cooperate.
There's some lovely history you've woven into the narrative there too, Jacquelin,
if you don't mind me saying, we really do appreciate
your contribution here on the country. How did just finally,
how did you enjoy field days?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Always enjoy field days? But the general buzz was positive.
There were some big ticket items but the longest to
with a free apple pint at Machas, which I think
is a bit disappointing. But over all, lots of launches,
lots of people networking, and anybody who missed out on
(33:14):
Field Days that comes from Norton could go to the
Northern Dairy Development Trust meeting on Thursday and learn about
the recent science and how we're going to achieve surviving
in this interesting world in which we are at the moment.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And that sounds like a shameless plug for your next
speaking gig. We appreciate you. The gig should do for us.
Got to go. Thanks for your time, Jacqueline. Thanks Jacquelin,
it is nine away from one. You're with the country
brought to you by Brent. Run out of time to
have a to Greg Miller. I'll get him on tomorrow's show.
(33:49):
He was on my list of people I needed to
talk to at Field Days, the national fundraising manager for
the IHC CARF and Rural Scheme. Remember those canvases are
out and about on the North and South Islands at
the moment. If they drive up your driveway, please give
a few possibly can right, we're going to wrap the
country with Andy McDonald and Rowena Duncan in Auckland. We
(34:12):
might go a wee bit further into Larry's email, and
we also might have a look at a brilliant sporting
weekend unless you're a Warriors fan, and what chance the Chiefs.
I've got a cunning little bet for you at the
tab and I am gloating here because I've come off
a successful weekend. I hardly have any at the tab,
but I've got a bet that I think is unlosable
(34:33):
on the Chiefs famous last words, isn't it. We'll wrap
the show with that next Welcome back to the Country.
Wrapping it from the Hokanui Studios in Eastern Southland. Simon Lebon,
(34:57):
frontman for Duran Duranne, honored in the King's Birthday Honors
last weekend. We're over the weekend in the UK and
I've had to We're not allowed to open up the
tab sports betting app when we're on Company Wi Fi,
so I've had to go and get rid of the
Company Wi Fi for a moment. My unbeatable bet. By
(35:19):
the way, Rowena and Andy there in Auckland, how about
this one? The Chiefs with a four and a half
point start, so that means they can lose effectively by
four points or less, or when paying a dollar ninety,
how to double your money overnight.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
I'm still not talking to you because I'm a Hurricanes
fan through and through and it still hurts Jamie this
was our season.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, but there's something about the Chiefs. They've always sort
of been my second team behind the Highlanders. And let's
face it, who wants Auckland to win Andy even though
you are in Auckland.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Because you can't stand Auckland or christ Church. So yeah, no,
I like that, but.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I don't mind the Canes, although pious TJ Piranara and
his vegan it's annoy me. Good player, but I just
wish he'd stick to playing.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Rugby, probably the all Black half back.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But no, yes, and deservedly so percent.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
But no, I do like that bet because it's going
to be one close either way. I reckon and and
the Blues play such a tight brand of rugby that
I don't see them running away with it completely if
they if they're doing it won.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And how portant important will the battle of the number
ten sp Damien McKenzie's he's a good south than lad two,
really starting to find his feet at the absolute top level.
Now he's a game He's a game changer.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
He absolutely is, but he's also prone to the absolutely
explode or completely fizzle.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
So no, no, no, No, that's old Damien McKenzie. You
Damien m McKenzie's much better than that, and he's the reputation. Jamie, Well,
we won't go on about yours. Andy.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
You happy the Crusaders are not in the final.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, I think everyone's happy the Crusaders aren't on the
final yeap just on the US Golf Open. My five
dollars on I'm a big punter on Bryson to Sham
paying twenty ones at the beginning. What an inspired decision
that was. I haven't seen it because I was in
transit this morning, but Andy, obviously they went down to
the wire, him and Rory who chased him all the way.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Yeah, Jamie, I've got to be honest. I was also
on trainsit this morning, so I didn't see it, but yeah,
I'll just commentate what the internet tells me, and so yeah,
they were. They were down to the wire the whole way.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well there you go, all right, team, thank you very
much for paneling the show out of Auckland. We've gone
from Gore to Auckland and we touched for Dunedin in between.
We'll be back at HQ and duned and tomorrow. Thank
you very much, for listening and to all the people
who came up to us at field days and said
they enjoy the show. Look, thank you very much. Really,
(37:43):
every listener is a prisoner and Larry. I think, Larry,
if you and I were to meet, you wouldn't think
I'm such a bad bugger. We'll catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
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