October 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Wayne Langford, Scott Champion, Mark Cameron, Phil Duncan, and Richard Loe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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how was your weekend so great for you? White outow, Taranaki, Counties,
Monaco and Tasman Folk exiting stage left from the beautiful NPC.
What a tournament that is Counties? Hey win five on
the Trott and then nearly knock over the hot shots Canterbury.
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Good effort, but Red and Blacks had to be good
to win it too, So both teams take a bow.
There otago by a ploody Steamers semifinal at a Canterbury
Hawks Bay semifinal the other one there. Fantastic to see
and hey, how did you your Sunday all day leave
pass go with Bathurst? Great to watch the old Mount
panorama talk about pure theater drama. There he was young
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Matt Pain with the old wiley foxgard Tander. Fantastic to
watch that, absolutely exhilarating. Right, are coming up on the show.
We're going to talk to act MP Northern Farmer Mark Cameron,
who's out there on the farm this morning. On these
new methane targets. We will see the cut there for
twenty fifty. Richard Lowe will look at the Bunnings NPC
(01:51):
quarterfinals and what that means for the semifinals. The sort
of the quiet country cousin, aren't they the old arable sector.
We have a far Foundation for Arable Research. CEO has
been in the job for a few months now. It's
got a champion. Will join us on the show and
weather with Phil Duckan. But first of all, fear to
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Raid Farmers President Wayne Langford on the cuts to the
methane emissions levels and progress Hamer Stepan, Now I'm turned around.
Good afternoon, Wyne. This seems fourteen to twenty four percent
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methane by cuts by twenty fifty. This seems a little
bit more realistic across the board has yep.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Good to be here and we've certainly landed in a
much better spot than when we were something that's now
not only scientific but also realistic for farmers to get after.
And we'll also draw a much clearer line in the
sand for our farmers going forward, so that they know
where they're heating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, who were those that were pushing for sort of
double of this, given that there were those in the
in the scientific fraternity who absolutely thought that the forwarding
all that sort of fourteen to twenty four zone we've landed, well,
it was practical and sensible.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, Well, that's that's the question we're asking I me,
and it came in under James share and just into
our don around twenty four to forty seven percent target.
We're still actually asking that question where did that number
come from? Because it did seem pretty unrealistic and idealistic
at the same time as as where to go. And
so anyone that's following along on our journey will know
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that we asked for a methane review during the twenty
twenty three election. It's taken some time to come through,
but the methane review has finally landed. It's gone through
the Hall de Parliament and now ended up here to say, hey, no,
these are the targets and this is what we're what
we're sticking without.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Twenty fifty makes sense, though it doesn't Kevin, who is
the backbone of the country. Even when James Shaw and
justinto a doom, we're in some sort of the roles
that they were in. Things have gone from strength the
strength for the egg sector. So just yeah, it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this one might take for take me but to
explain armies, but I'll try my best for it for
the everage farm around here, because I know these numbers
are confusing, but twenty four to forty seven percent was
going to shut down. Over twenty percent of our sm
beoof farms. It's one on five. So do you think
about when you went for a barbecue with your mates
on one on five of you weren't going to be farming.
There seven percent of dairy farms, which doesn't sound like
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a lot, but it's actually a heck of a lot
of dairy farms as well. On top of that, you know,
obviously smeshing the royal communities and school teachers and local
nurses and doctors and all that sort of stuff as well.
They were just unrealistic and they also weren't going to
achieve the result that they were hoping to achieve. So
by bringing it back to fourteen to twenty four percent,
it's a range that or again and first of all,
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was scientifically based, but also if you look at the
pathward direction of travel that were on, we're you know,
well up under the eight or ten percent already in
the first decade, which means going forward over the next
twenty five years, we've got a range of kind of
that's six to six to what does it six to say,
sixteen percent that we've got to move And that's much
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more realistic than going all the way out to forty
seven percent, which were just which would just just obviously
decimate our farming communities. So that's why we're kind of
celebrating it is such a big win because really, if
farmers carry on doing what we're doing, keep getting more efficient,
and keep producing food the way we are and embracing
some of the new technologies that are coming along, then
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we're going to achieve this. And this whole missions talk
that's been hammering the farming community for the last what
six or seven years should just go away. There's no
need to talk about it. Anymore. We're on track to
hit it. We're going to hit it, and there's really
nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, and it is an opportunity, you know, to take
the high ground, isn't it? Not? Back off? Keep doing
trying to do our best but reasonable efforts to reduce methane.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I am, and we're definitely not going to back off.
I'm And we know that there was some work that
farmers are doing, and then the amount of farmers they
now know their numbers such and know what they work
with the changes that they're making in the farm. And
on top of that, the good thing is it's starting
to become market driven. If the market wants it, then
the market can ask for it, and the market will
pay for it. And farmers have got no problem responding
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to that. From what I've heard, they're saying, hey, cool,
if you want me to want me to produce it
their way and you're willing to pay for it, then
I'm willing to have a crack at it. And so
we've seen that with a number of incentive structures to
the likes of Monterra and Cilvi, Firm Farms and a
few others. You know, that's much better place to be
rather than a blunt idealistic, you know target that is
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that was literally going to destroy some rural communities.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Forty to twenty four percent? Though, what do we think?
Did we actually go far enough with us? Could it
have gone lower?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh? It's a great question, and I'm not going to lie.
I said at the first meeting, and did say what
about zero? You know, what are we doing here? Why
not zero? And when you look at it practically from
a New Zealand government and trade point of view, and
we do still well a lot of not a lot
the majority of what we produce, you know, Admitting as
a government that we're moving away from a one point
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five degree target, which is the need for the twenty
four percent, would be a massive announcement for a government
to make. So that's why they're kind of sitting there
the twenty four percent. Now, if we're not going to
have twenty four percent, if it's more like a two
degree warming, that's fourteen percent, and that's much more on
line where we're thinking more potentially lower than that. And
so that's kind of where that where or how the
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rangers landed. Could it be zero?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No, what have that been acceptable? I don't know, but
I'll tell you what. We've got to a far better
place than where we were. That's so sure, and.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
We'll take that for now. There we go. That is
Federated Farmer's a president, Wayne Lang that he'll be a
busy man with this announcement, the new target fourteen to
twenty four percent with the methane cup by twenty fifty.
Coming up here on the Country, the sort of the
quiet country, cars and Arty. The arable sector. The CEO
of the Foundation for Arable Research, doctor Scott Champion, is
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next on the show. I'm a turn around, turn around
once shut light on me.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
The well.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Doctor Scott Champion has taken over as CEO of the
Foundation for Arable Research far I took over from Dame
Allison step back in July, former CEO of Beef and
lamb in Z and somebody with plenty of experience across
comparable sectors joins us on the Country. Now, Scott, how
are you very good you today? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Great?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Thank you know. I'm really interested in this because we
do tend to talk a lot about the dairy sector,
the the red meat sector, but the arable sector and
a good announcement last week around the locally growing grain.
So how are things across the board as you see
them and the time that you've had in the role
so far, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Hamis So I've been in the ralph about three months now,
just a little bit longer, and I've had exposure to
arable over time, but I don't have a specifically arable background.
So as you mentioned, I've worked in sheep and beef
and over the last eight or nine years have worked
across a number of sectors, including arable. So the first
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few months for me has really been sort of getting
a sense of the lie of the land and where
things are at. And as you say, you know, arable
is not in the same situation in terms of sort
of mood and profitability that the dairy sector and the
sheep and beef sector in at the moment, so it's
a bit of a challenging time for growers and that's
certainly a message that I've been picking up as I've
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been getting out and about talking to farmers over the
last couple of months and also talking to others that
are involved in the industry as well.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So what are some of those challenges and what are
the initial sort of solutions that you might be seeing.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, so I guess, you know, the challenges really are
just you know, pressure on profitability on the core serial
crops and also on some of the other things that
arable farmers grow. And one of the key messages when
you sort of dig into that a bit in discussion
with growers, you know, I guess, as everyone's facing at
the moment, rising costs and input cost pressure is a
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really key component of that. So you know, there's everyone
would love to see stronger prices, but managing costs, how
we get productivity? You know, the age old question of
how do we extract the maximum that we can from
the inputs that we have is a key question as well.
And I guess in our context as a research, development
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and extension organization to the arable sector, you know, we're
trying to apply those lenses to the stuff we do.
And particularly as we just head out into extension season
with a whole bunch of far events on over the
next couple of months.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And what do those what do those events look like?
Who's involved there? Yees?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
So we've got a bunch of events on over the
next couple of months, which which are in the field,
so they'll be on research sites which could be our
own research sites, so they might be on commercial growerth
arms covering a whole range of issues. So there's sort
of big hits for us at the moment really are
around chemicals, thinking about resistance residues. You know, the regulatory
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system registration of new chemicals is a really key issue
and really interesting as to how plugged into that to
that regulatory issue, who growers us. So all of those
issues sort of get talked about it at the events
that are in the field. We're also part of a
couple of programs. One is called a Lighter Touch, which
involves a number of partistants from the horticulture industry looking
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at sort of alternatives to chemical use and chemical control.
And then you know the other issues that I'm sure
you are important to lots of sectors, environment and compliance
and technology and machinery is a key issue for us
as well. So we've got some combine workshops coming up
again through the summer and then starting to look into
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twenty twenty six. In the program for twenty twenty six
when we're going to be having some Canadian experts coming
out talking about setting up sprayers and spray technology and
spray equipment. So yeah, a bunch of different things coming
up this year and into twenty twenty six as well.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Fantastic. We're talking to doctor Scott Champion, Foundation of our
Wile Research COEO far is there still a handbrake on
though around peat and weed control and you know, we
seem to have made some massive progress from the days
of you know, slapping on the round up forty years
ago with those works onto the you know, it still
feels like there is for the hour will seek a
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bit of a handbreak in that respect.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, I've been really impressed actually with how full full
growers are around chemical issues. And I'll use the word stewardship,
but just just making sure that we use them. Well,
we think about residues and resistance from from a human
consumption site and we've got you know, these chemicals two
available to us because of our good stewardship going into
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the future. So, I mean one of the things that
struck me, as I said, coming into the sector is
sort of no two arable farms are the same, and
you know many of our farmers are running really you know,
complex rotations with many crops in rotation. They might be
integrating when the land finishing or dairy grazing or whatever
into the system and the way they think about how
do I bring all of those things together to manage
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resistance to you know, think about effective use of chemicals
to break disease or pest cycles. You know, we're chemistry
is apart, but not the only part of that has
been actually really impressive from my point of view. So
you know, these things are top of mind and there's
a lot of thought going into how do we use
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them well, how do we make sure they can be
in the toolbox for as long as possible.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
One of the things I've always found, and I've been
involved in the potato its different things over the year, Scott,
is the is that my very nature terrible farmers are
quite a laconic, laid back you all, very successful and
very good at what they do. But are they Are
they loud enough? Is the voice strong enough?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It's interesting, isn't it. I you know, coming in, I
think a lot of people don't really understand many of
the aspects of arable, you know, I think it doesn't
have It's obviously a significantly smaller sector than the sheep
and beef and the dairy sector. In many parts of
carticulture as well. But you know, I would argue that
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its role as sort of an export enabler. You know,
where do the seeds come from that drive the pastures
for dairy and drive the pastes for sheep and beef.
You know, where do many of our vegetable seeds that
we use in domestic consumption or you know, significant specialized
export industries. You know, they come from the arable sector.
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But you're right, we're not very noisy, and don't I
don't think we need to necessarily be noisy for the
sake of it. But I think talking about what it
is that the sector does, how does it play a
role in underpinning those big animal export sectors, you know,
and why is it that, you know, these mixed farming
systems that we see dotted around the country are really
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important contributors to to our overall ag sector. I think
that message, you know, does need to get out there,
and I'm certainly having conversations with people in the sector
about that as I sort of check around through these
first few months.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Great stuff, great to hear, and appreciate you taking the
time to join a Scott. Much appreciated.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Cheers, Homius thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Eat our food upon a table. There we go, Doctor
Scott Champion there, Foundation for Arable Research CEO. We're going
to switch back to attention to the government decision to
cut the methane levels by twenty fifteen or reduce the
targets for the methane levels. So we're going to talk
to act MP Northland Farmer Mark Cameron is coming up
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over later on News and Sport. We'll cover off everything
that happened at the Mighty why Matty Sears over the weekend.
And also there's a thing called an all black squad
out with one or two contentious selections. Might I add
this is the country.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Let them in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, of course it is the big news, the big
news out of the weekend into the week the government
cutting the methane reduction target fourteen to twenty four percent
is the new aim below levels by twenty fifty. Of
course we talked now to act in Pete, Northland, Farmer
Mark Cameron. He's a busy man on the Lambert Mark.
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Does this reduction You'll be pleased about it, but does
it go far enough?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Well, the first part of the Christian Yes, I am
from superstike guy sort of campaigned on this right back
in twenty twenty. Hamers, So I was super enthusiastic to
see you finally be debated. Second part of the Christian
I'd love to go further, to be quite frank, I mean,
how is it so that we found ourselves in a
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modern society with all the problems that we now have,
geopolitical tensions around the world, not a lot of money
in the economy that we were going to tax a
natural biological function of a bovine or a rumor for
that manner in New Zealand. Well, this is the story.
We were and we are, and I just maintained a
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couple of logical points with all the difficulties that we had, Haymoss,
we want to be clearer about it, and I don't
think we were. It had to be small, it had
to be slight. It created an environment where we saw
farmers want to increase technological inputball you know, throughputs to
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try and alleviate Sorry, mate, I've just got a silence
Dragon game fast to alleviate all of the difficulties with
me thing. But one final remark from me, Hamers, I
just want to add before we carry on New Zealand
is in a real pickle at the moment. There's no
bloody money there really isn't. I mean, in a space
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of six years we see a sixty billion dollar increase
to our core crown, get accumulation of what basically what
keeps to keep the country operating. Now is the is
the question around methane a clever one? I don't know.
With all the difficulties we are as the country now
currently dealing with whatever we do and do has to
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be smart and take practical, scientific, you know, acknowledgments going forward,
otherwise we're going backwards.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Look and one of the reasons it really gets my
you know what and a twist mark is we were
the laughing stock because some other country would just simply
have picked up our production slack and continue to pollute
at a far greater rate than New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I always I found it fascinating to that very point,
amous that piety had a price and it was running around,
running out around the world. We saw Missouri Banking Alliance
and all that closed up after all manner of criticism
by me and others, saw the writing on the wall,
and now nestlik. So the real question is and the
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and the world of all things climate change and methane
and carbon emissions around the world. Countries are pulling out
for all the all the obvious things that we know,
and that is a lack of money. There's certainly the
Western democracies around the world that had signed up to
all this malarkey, as I call it. It's all very
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well doing all these wonderful things, but if you've got
no money and you are hurting your constituents, that is
really really dumb. And you know the average conversation I
have with everyday New Zealanders as everything is too expensive
and life is difficult. Well, I just make a couple
of points. There's no point investing in all this climate
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change stuff when Kiwis are grappling with the cost of
Milton Minston. But so and onwards, we've just we've got
to put common sense back in the room.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yep. Now, at one point I will make Devil's advocates slightly.
It's still not a green light, is it? This reduction
to go all read nick and back off our best
but reasonable if it's to reduce methane, I.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Think that will always be the case. But what cames
the real Christian here is what is the role government,
And I think it's a very limited one. Market sends signals.
They always have through you know, the very existence of
man and its entirety, and in any business relationship we've
ever had, over over the over the over the multiple generations,
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we always respond to a market signal when there was
when we responded to it. Consumers tell the story. Now,
if there's this growing narrative of THEU that thou need
to do because the market signal is such, then the
likes of Fonterra in Nesle and you know, and and
all manner of corporate investment will follow that signal, and
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so will have consumers well currently and they're all just
trying to make ends meet. And I don't think that
market signal is as grand or as great as people
have inferred. And I think with the people that all
around the Western world have now seen are pulling back
of economic activity as hardly a market signal we were
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were as as politicians need to be overly about. I
think you about our poor job is listening to our constituents.
And that's it to me, and certainly in my colleagues.
Everything's so bloody here, yep, very.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Good Mark will let you get back and keep keep
out of the way. That's silas wagon. And then you've
got to get your suit and tie on later and
get to the capital, so we won't keep you. Thank
you very much for your.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Time from one farm to another farm.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Exactly, very very astute, good man. Mark Cameron there from
up north heading to the capitol later on today. Coming
up we're going to hear, we're going to have weather.
Phil Duncan will give us the latest in the old weather,
and we'll have also Richard Low look at a bit
of foot, the all black naming, et cetera, et cetera.
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And coming up news and sport here on the country, Shine.
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that's raul on News. You can find more at the
Country dot co dot Nz. Has hamish with sport.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Sport with a fco visit them online at fco dot
co dot Nz.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Of course, the Big Y Mattie Sheares over the weekend
the Trans Tasman blade sharing test, Tony Dobbs and Scott
mckaye taking that out over the Aussies. The Open final
eighteen sheep eighty minutes sixty one point four one seconds
but with some very good quality points. Riverton's Casey Bailey
getting home there in the open final of a tour Henderson,
with Johnny Kirkpatrick in a third place. The Senior final
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was won by Matara's Dre Roberts and in the New
Zealand Winter Combe Championships, Nathan Stratford took out of that
title ahead of Brett Roberts. Onto the wool handling and
the open final Pagan Ratmani taking that from Joel Hernari,
Naya Kitty Kitty of Gismon third, Kelly McDonald winding out
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the final. There the speed shares won by Jack Fagan
and of course not as important as the sharing at
why Matty the All Black team is out? Of course,
quite a whole host of injuries to keep players to
provide Eterral Lomax among those out, Noah Hope them also
mon Narua also ruled out players like Sevu Reese in
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Findlay Christie not really selections for the future. Are they
still getting a slot in this team? But a new
young comer that I like the look of, Tavita Muffa
Leo is in it. Prop for Torell Lomac's Josh Lord
is the cover for tup of Vity and George Bell
getting the third hooker spot. There you go. Pers get
more from Lovely on that Richard Low later on they
are here on the country see shine down, Yeah, can
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you see the rain? Apparently you can't miss it around
many parts of the country. Some will be welcome here,
some won't be. Phil Duncan from where the watch stock
hat on and Zed joins us Now Gay felt we
were you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And it's cloudy up here, drizzly and auto where I
am today?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah yeah, right he thunder happening around? Are the old
thunderclap happening? What's the story there around the country too.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, there's been a lot of thunderstorm activity in Australia.
And for those who watched Batists yesterday, I mean, what
a spectacular race that was. The weather just made that
race incredible. So that weather has actually moved through and
out to the Tasman Sea and it's all associated with
this westerly flow. So we've got thunderstorms on the top
half of the West Coast and some of those thunderstorms
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could move into the western side of the North Island.
We've got rain and showers all moving in. So it's
going to be with us for kind of today and
tonight and tomorrow and to an unsettled forecast. You know,
we really are in a classic unsettled spring this year
and no end in sight unfortunately to the westerly flow,
which some people are getting a bit tired of now.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, okay, in in sight, righty, So well have you
got at have you got any good news?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well we do, yet it's not all bad news. There
could be somewhere weather that spells over into the dry East,
and so you know, we are a little bit concerned
about Hawks Bay, and while most of the rain is
going to fall on the western side of the Ranges,
there could still be some good amounts falling at the
tops and spelling over. So's it's good news there. The
other bit of good news is we do have some
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high pressure passing to the north of the country this
week and that will bring dry and more settled weather,
not as windy. And the third bit of good news
is even though we are getting these windy westerlies at times,
the intensity of them is actually dropping a wee bit
from previous weeks. So there's some good news in there.
But yeah, the West is going to be wet over
the coming week and the East is going to be dryest,
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especially the South Islands East and Southern Wide and Upper Wellington.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, so does that concern for the dry does that
goes through the hawks by Tardrea down into the Warrapa,
Yeah it does.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And look there is some good rain coming over, not good,
you know, hopefully some good rain, but there's it's not
completely dry, so that's a positive twist on. You know,
the forecast a few weeks ago where we thought very
little would be coming over. So we're a little bit
up to mystic there. But it's a bit dryer than
it should be at the moment, and the westerly winds
are not really a good friend for on the East
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coast when it's tri really, so we're just looking for
that break in it, you know. To talk about Londinia
is a positive thing. Hopefully we can get something from that.
But you know, for now, even if Ladina forms, there
is this westerly flowing place, so we won't feel it yet.
We need the high pressure zones north of us to
break apart.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, I have no promise. Been a lot of my
working week away from Auckland or down in the Mantle
two primarily these days fell and I'm quite happy if
we can let some go over the Tartarus and the
rue Haines end of the Hawks Bay and the wider
wrapper gratefully pass it on.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, one hundred percent. We could do with a reversal
of the weatherflowd the moment to balance things up.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Absolutely, there we go. That is Phil Duncan whether watch
dot co dot NZ here on the country while it
is coming up to quarter to one fifteen minutes away
from one o'clock here on your Monday afternoon. You know,
when you think about forestry, it's not just about trees.
(29:04):
You have to think about people too. Across New Zealand,
forestry helps keep communities strong, supporting families, driving local economies
from planting right through to processing. Certainly has its place,
doesn't it. It's the people in the forest, the truckees
you know, the drivers, the saw mill crews, the innovators
and the builders turning tim into homes and infrastructure. It's
(29:25):
all about looking after the land. We all rely on.
Sensible use, I guess is what we could call that.
Forests help protect our soil and water quality, provide habitats
for native plants and animals, and make our landscapes more resilience.
The best part, it's local. A large part of forestry
has grown by locals for locals, with an eye on
long term sustainability, creating work and opportunities for generations to come.
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So next time you're out there driving past the forest,
which would take another look, because it's more than just trees.
All about striking your balance, it's livelihoods it's community and
it's our future growing together. Right now, it is thirteen
minutes away from one here on the country. When we
come back, we'll be talking to that man. Ah low
(30:11):
the yunit learned front row and there's a new prop
and the All Blacks. You'll like that. Now. Listen, eleven
minutes away from one, this all Black teams come out
and I'm huffing and puffing a bit. But that's not me.
(30:31):
That's Lowe's truck. Low How are you?
Speaker 8 (30:35):
I'm good, Thanks, Hams. Nothing wrong with this courtesy vehicle
I'm driving in.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh is that right? What has it not got a
windscreen or something? Here?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
It's it's like sitting on a bench seat.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Hey, severn Ree, I'm sorry,
Finlay Christy, I'm sorry Rasy. You've come out with the
All Black team and I feel like I've taken a
giant step backwards and terms. I know there's no Noah
Hope them available and Monti Naro. I know they've got injuries,
but I don't know LOWI. I would have thought that
(31:08):
they're not team, They're not players who are going to
take us forward to a World Cup. That'd be just
a couple of my real complaints.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Yeah, you know, sevu Reese was outstanding at super level,
but he hasn't tried to buy it and then got
left out. Tin Lay Christy had an awful probably super
game super season and then bang he's in the team again.
But that's only through injury. And I think, you know,
(31:36):
if Jamie Joseph hadn't had that team available, I think
it might have been different because there's a couple of
young players will get a good chance there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, I guess that's I guess that said. Thinking into
the team comes by have plentyes to Vita Muffa Leel.
He's a solid young scrummager who they obviously putting some
faith in with no Torrell Lomas.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Yeah, you know down Warnton could have been unlucky there too,
but you know we're talking about the fifth and sixth
in the position. So yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The blood a few yeah, and no offer tomla Farci
of course he's been out for the long haul. Radio
npc GE Old Counties nearly did the job a bit
of the Old Counties of Old. They were always ultra
competitive and they were five in a row going into
the quarter final against the Red and Blacks and almost
did it.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Yeah, and I think both counties and Hawks Bay proved
when you've got nothing to lose show causing to the
one and both teams played very well and not there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah yeah, look the other result the Otago team and
Bay a plenty. I mean they'd be two of the
real comers that they'll fight out one one semi final.
But you know you can't. Otago been pretty consistent from
day one in this competition.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They have, but the sea saw that happened with the
boys from Wakato wasn't probably a good dress rehearsal where
I think the barred twenty dismantled Tasman. So you know
you think, yeah, the Bard plenty on a bit of
hot form where a Tigo probably have had good four
(33:17):
more year. But can they bring another one to the table.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And Hawk's Bay of course into the semi final. I mean,
didn't you know not that you know, I know, I
shouldn't be I shouldn't speak, you know about the Hawks
bayl like this. I know it's got a bit of
a drought going on and everything, but cheese they will
be cocker hoop and almost unbearable one day going into
semi final and they'll rate themselves against Canterbury. Yeah, like Counties.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Proved you've got a chance, you know, step up to
the plate, have a go and you know, don't leave
anything out there, just do at all. And I think
both Counties and Hawks Bay showed it this last week.
Counties fell short. You know, it's one hundred minutes with
them beside that game where I think the Hawks Bay
(34:00):
just went from strength to streak against Taranak Karanake's had
a bit of a mayor of a season on all.
So yeah, that's the results went the form Wayn't.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Do you watch a bit of the bathroost Lowey? Do
you sort of? You know, I don't picture you watching Bathists,
but I have seen that big lazy boy cheer that
you've gotten the slippers that just beside it. So I
imagine you could have killed off a Sunday afternoon quite easily.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
We spent the afternoon sharing Hoggins.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Sharing Hoggins. Well, do you not want to give me
the call er? Do you not want hamous Jack Fagan
mackay and your shed? Hey?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah yeah, working health and safety, we don't want any deaths.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You're a hard man Lowey. Okay, well, yeah, yeah, thanks
very much for the compliment. You know, I'll take it right,
are Lowey? Always good to chat with you, and we'll know.
We'll probably later on the week maybe preview those semi finals.
There we go, Richard lower.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Tak which way are you going for the semifinal?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Two? By a plenty Canterbury final could be yeah, yeah, plenty?
What's your call? Then I'll write it down now so
I can.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
I think you're very close type yep.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, thanks very much, thank you. Six minutes away from
one o'clock here on the country, I'll be able to
ask you for live instructions as to what's to do
next here. Michelle, you haven't really piped up today.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
I am going to pipe out now because you went
against me for a targo being in the final. A
targo all the way, my friends.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
All the way, all the way. Okay, I'm still going
to buy a plenty of Cannabury. I'm sorry to do
that to you. Despite how Steamers are a great team.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
It would be lovely to see the Steamers and the
and the final as well.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They were something about them, you know. The first time
of the Champions.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Of the Bones underdogs. Everyone loves an underdog story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, do we have another break. We're going thraight through
to the end of the show.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
We're done for the day. Just about.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's just about. And so like the Steamers, of course,
they plenty won the first ever NPC in nineteen seventy six.
Nineteen seventy six. I don't even know if your parents
probably weren't even born in nineteen seventy six, let alone you,
and yet I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
I definitely wasn't born in nineteen seventy six. I can
tell you that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, So the Steamers against the Steamers are
playing Otago and that's and then the Canterbury Hawks Bay
is the other final. You'd expect Canterbury to be the
favorites to win that, but Hawks Bay at times during
the season. I've commentated them a few times, Michelle, I
have a couple of times, and you know, they have
to be my default team now, given my you know,
(36:44):
my allegiance through that part of the world. Of course,
with a new road across the man Or Two Gorge,
which is across the hill there the Southern Ruhenes, because
the Taruas are on the other side of the Gorge's
most magnificent road. If you've ever been, if you ever
get a chance to be in that part, you like
coming to Parmison North, don't you.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
I've never actually been. I've never been to Parmeston North.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh. I thought you came for some road running or
some No.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I know that maybe next year I'll be I'll be
up there for that. But speaking of road running, the
Sports News Berry came fourth, which is a career best
performance at KNA for iron Man, which is amazing. Well,
I just have to say that that is an incredible feat.
Eight hours, forty six minutes and twenty five seconds. Imagine
exercising for eight hours, forty six minutes and twenty five seconds.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, the average person will be double that. They wouldn't
it to do it? Have you ever done it?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
No, I've done a three quarter iron Man.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
A three quarter iron What kind of the need and
type thing is that? That's a little bit out of this.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
It's actually a world champions type thing, championship event.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh is that?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A seventy point they get in a.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
Seventy point so three k swim, one hundred and thirty
k bike ride and thirty kilometer.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Run sounds very very painful.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
It is. I won't lie. Yeah, so that's us done.
That said, what's on tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
What have we going on to? What's on? I'm coming
here from Mighty man or two. Of course I've got
a long slow drive down the country. Now i might
even dip. I know this sounds I shouldn't sort of
put this out on the right. I'm going to slip
into the hot pools at Waireki.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Oh this sounds nice yete yeah, Oh, we'll wrap it
up then.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Great to have your company on the country. We'll do
it all again tomorrow. Out of the part of the
North Studio, I'm Hams McKay michelle down there in Dneed
and you have a cracking old Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well we're doing so well. When your afternoon. Welcome in
to the Country. Brought to you by brand Hamers mckaye
and for Jamie McKay for another couple of days. Jamie
back on Thursday. In fact he's going to be at
the Gisbane Show. How good is that? Good to see
(00:45):
the great team at Brent there, looking forward to that. Hey,
how was your weekend so great for you? White outow, Taranaki, Counties,
Monaco and Tasman Folk exiting stage left from the beautiful NPC.
What a tournament that is Counties? Hey win five on
the Trott and then nearly knock over the hot shots Canterbury.
(01:05):
Good effort, but Red and Blacks had to be good
to win it too, So both teams take a bow.
There otago by a ploody Steamers semifinal at a Canterbury
Hawks Bay semifinal the other one there. Fantastic to see
and hey, how did you your Sunday all day leave
pass go with Bathurst? Great to watch the old Mount
panorama talk about pure theater drama. There he was young
(01:26):
Matt Pain with the old wiley foxgard Tander. Fantastic to
watch that, absolutely exhilarating. Right, are coming up on the show.
We're going to talk to act MP Northern Farmer Mark Cameron,
who's out there on the farm this morning. On these
new methane targets. We will see the cut there for
twenty fifty. Richard Lowe will look at the Bunnings NPC
(01:51):
quarterfinals and what that means for the semifinals. The sort
of the quiet country cousin, aren't they the old arable sector.
We have a far Foundation for Arable Research. CEO has
been in the job for a few months now. It's
got a champion. Will join us on the show and
weather with Phil Duckan. But first of all, fear to
(02:13):
Raid Farmers President Wayne Langford on the cuts to the
methane emissions levels and progress Hamer Stepan, Now I'm turned around.
Good afternoon, Wyne. This seems fourteen to twenty four percent
(02:34):
methane by cuts by twenty fifty. This seems a little
bit more realistic across the board has yep.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Good to be here and we've certainly landed in a
much better spot than when we were something that's now
not only scientific but also realistic for farmers to get after.
And we'll also draw a much clearer line in the
sand for our farmers going forward, so that they know
where they're heating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, who were those that were pushing for sort of
double of this, given that there were those in the
in the scientific fraternity who absolutely thought that the forwarding
all that sort of fourteen to twenty four zone we've landed, well,
it was practical and sensible.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, Well, that's that's the question we're asking I me,
and it came in under James share and just into
our don around twenty four to forty seven percent target.
We're still actually asking that question where did that number
come from? Because it did seem pretty unrealistic and idealistic
at the same time as as where to go. And
so anyone that's following along on our journey will know
(03:33):
that we asked for a methane review during the twenty
twenty three election. It's taken some time to come through,
but the methane review has finally landed. It's gone through
the Hall de Parliament and now ended up here to say, hey, no,
these are the targets and this is what we're what
we're sticking without.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Twenty fifty makes sense, though it doesn't Kevin, who is
the backbone of the country. Even when James Shaw and
justinto a doom, we're in some sort of the roles
that they were in. Things have gone from strength the
strength for the egg sector. So just yeah, it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this one might take for take me but to
explain armies, but I'll try my best for it for
the everage farm around here, because I know these numbers
are confusing, but twenty four to forty seven percent was
going to shut down. Over twenty percent of our sm
beoof farms. It's one on five. So do you think
about when you went for a barbecue with your mates
on one on five of you weren't going to be farming.
There seven percent of dairy farms, which doesn't sound like
(04:25):
a lot, but it's actually a heck of a lot
of dairy farms as well. On top of that, you know,
obviously smeshing the royal communities and school teachers and local
nurses and doctors and all that sort of stuff as well.
They were just unrealistic and they also weren't going to
achieve the result that they were hoping to achieve. So
by bringing it back to fourteen to twenty four percent,
it's a range that or again and first of all,
(04:49):
was scientifically based, but also if you look at the
pathward direction of travel that were on, we're you know,
well up under the eight or ten percent already in
the first decade, which means going forward over the next
twenty five years, we've got a range of kind of
that's six to six to what does it six to say,
sixteen percent that we've got to move And that's much
(05:09):
more realistic than going all the way out to forty
seven percent, which were just which would just just obviously
decimate our farming communities. So that's why we're kind of
celebrating it is such a big win because really, if
farmers carry on doing what we're doing, keep getting more efficient,
and keep producing food the way we are and embracing
some of the new technologies that are coming along, then
(05:31):
we're going to achieve this. And this whole missions talk
that's been hammering the farming community for the last what
six or seven years should just go away. There's no
need to talk about it. Anymore. We're on track to
hit it. We're going to hit it, and there's really
nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, and it is an opportunity, you know, to take
the high ground, isn't it? Not? Back off? Keep doing
trying to do our best but reasonable efforts to reduce methane.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I am, and we're definitely not going to back off.
I'm And we know that there was some work that
farmers are doing, and then the amount of farmers they
now know their numbers such and know what they work
with the changes that they're making in the farm. And
on top of that, the good thing is it's starting
to become market driven. If the market wants it, then
the market can ask for it, and the market will
pay for it. And farmers have got no problem responding
(06:18):
to that. From what I've heard, they're saying, hey, cool,
if you want me to want me to produce it
their way and you're willing to pay for it, then
I'm willing to have a crack at it. And so
we've seen that with a number of incentive structures to
the likes of Monterra and Cilvi, Firm Farms and a
few others. You know, that's much better place to be
rather than a blunt idealistic, you know target that is
(06:42):
that was literally going to destroy some rural communities.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Forty to twenty four percent? Though, what do we think?
Did we actually go far enough with us? Could it
have gone lower?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh? It's a great question, and I'm not going to lie.
I said at the first meeting, and did say what
about zero? You know, what are we doing here? Why
not zero? And when you look at it practically from
a New Zealand government and trade point of view, and
we do still well a lot of not a lot
the majority of what we produce, you know, Admitting as
a government that we're moving away from a one point
(07:12):
five degree target, which is the need for the twenty
four percent, would be a massive announcement for a government
to make. So that's why they're kind of sitting there
the twenty four percent. Now, if we're not going to
have twenty four percent, if it's more like a two
degree warming, that's fourteen percent, and that's much more on
line where we're thinking more potentially lower than that. And
so that's kind of where that where or how the
(07:35):
rangers landed. Could it be zero?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No, what have that been acceptable? I don't know, but
I'll tell you what. We've got to a far better
place than where we were. That's so sure, and.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
We'll take that for now. There we go. That is
Federated Farmer's a president, Wayne Lang that he'll be a
busy man with this announcement, the new target fourteen to
twenty four percent with the methane cup by twenty fifty.
Coming up here on the Country, the sort of the
quiet country, cars and Arty. The arable sector. The CEO
of the Foundation for Arable Research, doctor Scott Champion, is
(08:08):
next on the show. I'm a turn around, turn around
once shut light on me.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
The well.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Doctor Scott Champion has taken over as CEO of the
Foundation for Arable Research far I took over from Dame
Allison step back in July, former CEO of Beef and
lamb in Z and somebody with plenty of experience across
comparable sectors joins us on the Country. Now, Scott, how
are you very good you today? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Great?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Thank you know. I'm really interested in this because we
do tend to talk a lot about the dairy sector,
the the red meat sector, but the arable sector and
a good announcement last week around the locally growing grain.
So how are things across the board as you see
them and the time that you've had in the role
so far, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Hamis So I've been in the ralph about three months now,
just a little bit longer, and I've had exposure to
arable over time, but I don't have a specifically arable background.
So as you mentioned, I've worked in sheep and beef
and over the last eight or nine years have worked
across a number of sectors, including arable. So the first
(09:34):
few months for me has really been sort of getting
a sense of the lie of the land and where
things are at. And as you say, you know, arable
is not in the same situation in terms of sort
of mood and profitability that the dairy sector and the
sheep and beef sector in at the moment, so it's
a bit of a challenging time for growers and that's
certainly a message that I've been picking up as I've
(09:55):
been getting out and about talking to farmers over the
last couple of months and also talking to others that
are involved in the industry as well.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So what are some of those challenges and what are
the initial sort of solutions that you might be seeing.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, so I guess, you know, the challenges really are
just you know, pressure on profitability on the core serial
crops and also on some of the other things that
arable farmers grow. And one of the key messages when
you sort of dig into that a bit in discussion
with growers, you know, I guess, as everyone's facing at
the moment, rising costs and input cost pressure is a
(10:32):
really key component of that. So you know, there's everyone
would love to see stronger prices, but managing costs, how
we get productivity? You know, the age old question of
how do we extract the maximum that we can from
the inputs that we have is a key question as well.
And I guess in our context as a research, development
(10:53):
and extension organization to the arable sector, you know, we're
trying to apply those lenses to the stuff we do.
And particularly as we just head out into extension season
with a whole bunch of far events on over the
next couple of months.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And what do those what do those events look like?
Who's involved there? Yees?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
So we've got a bunch of events on over the
next couple of months, which which are in the field,
so they'll be on research sites which could be our
own research sites, so they might be on commercial growerth
arms covering a whole range of issues. So there's sort
of big hits for us at the moment really are
around chemicals, thinking about resistance residues. You know, the regulatory
(11:39):
system registration of new chemicals is a really key issue
and really interesting as to how plugged into that to
that regulatory issue, who growers us. So all of those
issues sort of get talked about it at the events
that are in the field. We're also part of a
couple of programs. One is called a Lighter Touch, which
involves a number of partistants from the horticulture industry looking
(12:01):
at sort of alternatives to chemical use and chemical control.
And then you know the other issues that I'm sure
you are important to lots of sectors, environment and compliance
and technology and machinery is a key issue for us
as well. So we've got some combine workshops coming up
again through the summer and then starting to look into
(12:23):
twenty twenty six. In the program for twenty twenty six
when we're going to be having some Canadian experts coming
out talking about setting up sprayers and spray technology and
spray equipment. So yeah, a bunch of different things coming
up this year and into twenty twenty six as well.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Fantastic. We're talking to doctor Scott Champion, Foundation of our
Wile Research COEO far is there still a handbrake on
though around peat and weed control and you know, we
seem to have made some massive progress from the days
of you know, slapping on the round up forty years
ago with those works onto the you know, it still
feels like there is for the hour will seek a
(13:00):
bit of a handbreak in that respect.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, I've been really impressed actually with how full full
growers are around chemical issues. And I'll use the word stewardship,
but just just making sure that we use them. Well,
we think about residues and resistance from from a human
consumption site and we've got you know, these chemicals two
available to us because of our good stewardship going into
(13:25):
the future. So, I mean one of the things that
struck me, as I said, coming into the sector is
sort of no two arable farms are the same, and
you know many of our farmers are running really you know,
complex rotations with many crops in rotation. They might be
integrating when the land finishing or dairy grazing or whatever
into the system and the way they think about how
do I bring all of those things together to manage
(13:47):
resistance to you know, think about effective use of chemicals
to break disease or pest cycles. You know, we're chemistry
is apart, but not the only part of that has
been actually really impressive from my point of view. So
you know, these things are top of mind and there's
a lot of thought going into how do we use
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them well, how do we make sure they can be
in the toolbox for as long as possible.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
One of the things I've always found, and I've been
involved in the potato its different things over the year, Scott,
is the is that my very nature terrible farmers are
quite a laconic, laid back you all, very successful and
very good at what they do. But are they Are
they loud enough? Is the voice strong enough?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It's interesting, isn't it. I you know, coming in, I
think a lot of people don't really understand many of
the aspects of arable, you know, I think it doesn't
have It's obviously a significantly smaller sector than the sheep
and beef and the dairy sector. In many parts of
carticulture as well. But you know, I would argue that
(14:52):
its role as sort of an export enabler. You know,
where do the seeds come from that drive the pastures
for dairy and drive the pastes for sheep and beef.
You know, where do many of our vegetable seeds that
we use in domestic consumption or you know, significant specialized
export industries. You know, they come from the arable sector.
(15:12):
But you're right, we're not very noisy, and don't I
don't think we need to necessarily be noisy for the
sake of it. But I think talking about what it
is that the sector does, how does it play a
role in underpinning those big animal export sectors, you know,
and why is it that, you know, these mixed farming
systems that we see dotted around the country are really
(15:34):
important contributors to to our overall ag sector. I think
that message, you know, does need to get out there,
and I'm certainly having conversations with people in the sector
about that as I sort of check around through these
first few months.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Great stuff, great to hear, and appreciate you taking the
time to join a Scott. Much appreciated.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Cheers, Homius thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Eat our food upon a table. There we go, Doctor
Scott Champion there, Foundation for Arable Research CEO. We're going
to switch back to attention to the government decision to
cut the methane levels by twenty fifteen or reduce the
targets for the methane levels. So we're going to talk
to act MP Northland Farmer Mark Cameron is coming up
(16:19):
over later on News and Sport. We'll cover off everything
that happened at the Mighty why Matty Sears over the weekend.
And also there's a thing called an all black squad
out with one or two contentious selections. Might I add
this is the country.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Let them in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, of course it is the big news, the big
news out of the weekend into the week the government
cutting the methane reduction target fourteen to twenty four percent
is the new aim below levels by twenty fifty. Of
course we talked now to act in Pete, Northland, Farmer
Mark Cameron. He's a busy man on the Lambert Mark.
(17:09):
Does this reduction You'll be pleased about it, but does
it go far enough?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Well, the first part of the Christian Yes, I am
from superstike guy sort of campaigned on this right back
in twenty twenty. Hamers, So I was super enthusiastic to
see you finally be debated. Second part of the Christian
I'd love to go further, to be quite frank, I mean,
how is it so that we found ourselves in a
(17:33):
modern society with all the problems that we now have,
geopolitical tensions around the world, not a lot of money
in the economy that we were going to tax a
natural biological function of a bovine or a rumor for
that manner in New Zealand. Well, this is the story.
We were and we are, and I just maintained a
(17:54):
couple of logical points with all the difficulties that we had, Haymoss,
we want to be clearer about it, and I don't
think we were. It had to be small, it had
to be slight. It created an environment where we saw
farmers want to increase technological inputball you know, throughputs to
(18:15):
try and alleviate Sorry, mate, I've just got a silence
Dragon game fast to alleviate all of the difficulties with
me thing. But one final remark from me, Hamers, I
just want to add before we carry on New Zealand
is in a real pickle at the moment. There's no
bloody money there really isn't. I mean, in a space
(18:35):
of six years we see a sixty billion dollar increase
to our core crown, get accumulation of what basically what
keeps to keep the country operating. Now is the is
the question around methane a clever one? I don't know.
With all the difficulties we are as the country now
currently dealing with whatever we do and do has to
(18:58):
be smart and take practical, scientific, you know, acknowledgments going forward,
otherwise we're going backwards.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Look and one of the reasons it really gets my
you know what and a twist mark is we were
the laughing stock because some other country would just simply
have picked up our production slack and continue to pollute
at a far greater rate than New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I always I found it fascinating to that very point,
amous that piety had a price and it was running around,
running out around the world. We saw Missouri Banking Alliance
and all that closed up after all manner of criticism
by me and others, saw the writing on the wall,
and now nestlik. So the real question is and the
(19:46):
and the world of all things climate change and methane
and carbon emissions around the world. Countries are pulling out
for all the all the obvious things that we know,
and that is a lack of money. There's certainly the
Western democracies around the world that had signed up to
all this malarkey, as I call it. It's all very
(20:08):
well doing all these wonderful things, but if you've got
no money and you are hurting your constituents, that is
really really dumb. And you know the average conversation I
have with everyday New Zealanders as everything is too expensive
and life is difficult. Well, I just make a couple
of points. There's no point investing in all this climate
(20:29):
change stuff when Kiwis are grappling with the cost of
Milton Minston. But so and onwards, we've just we've got
to put common sense back in the room.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yep. Now, at one point I will make Devil's advocates slightly.
It's still not a green light, is it? This reduction
to go all read nick and back off our best
but reasonable if it's to reduce methane, I.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Think that will always be the case. But what cames
the real Christian here is what is the role government,
And I think it's a very limited one. Market sends signals.
They always have through you know, the very existence of
man and its entirety, and in any business relationship we've
ever had, over over the over the over the multiple generations,
(21:11):
we always respond to a market signal when there was
when we responded to it. Consumers tell the story. Now,
if there's this growing narrative of THEU that thou need
to do because the market signal is such, then the
likes of Fonterra in Nesle and you know, and and
all manner of corporate investment will follow that signal, and
(21:34):
so will have consumers well currently and they're all just
trying to make ends meet. And I don't think that
market signal is as grand or as great as people
have inferred. And I think with the people that all
around the Western world have now seen are pulling back
of economic activity as hardly a market signal we were
(21:56):
were as as politicians need to be overly about. I
think you about our poor job is listening to our constituents.
And that's it to me, and certainly in my colleagues.
Everything's so bloody here, yep, very.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Good Mark will let you get back and keep keep
out of the way. That's silas wagon. And then you've
got to get your suit and tie on later and
get to the capital, so we won't keep you. Thank
you very much for your.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Time from one farm to another farm.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Exactly, very very astute, good man. Mark Cameron there from
up north heading to the capitol later on today. Coming
up we're going to hear, we're going to have weather.
Phil Duncan will give us the latest in the old weather,
and we'll have also Richard Low look at a bit
of foot, the all black naming, et cetera, et cetera.
(22:44):
And coming up news and sport here on the country, Shine.
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Country dot co dot Nz. Has hamish with sport.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Sport with a fco visit them online at fco dot
co dot Nz.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Of course, the Big Y Mattie Sheares over the weekend
the Trans Tasman blade sharing test, Tony Dobbs and Scott
mckaye taking that out over the Aussies. The Open final
eighteen sheep eighty minutes sixty one point four one seconds
but with some very good quality points. Riverton's Casey Bailey
getting home there in the open final of a tour Henderson,
with Johnny Kirkpatrick in a third place. The Senior final
(24:20):
was won by Matara's Dre Roberts and in the New
Zealand Winter Combe Championships, Nathan Stratford took out of that
title ahead of Brett Roberts. Onto the wool handling and
the open final Pagan Ratmani taking that from Joel Hernari,
Naya Kitty Kitty of Gismon third, Kelly McDonald winding out
(24:40):
the final. There the speed shares won by Jack Fagan
and of course not as important as the sharing at
why Matty the All Black team is out? Of course,
quite a whole host of injuries to keep players to
provide Eterral Lomax among those out, Noah Hope them also
mon Narua also ruled out players like Sevu Reese in
(25:01):
Findlay Christie not really selections for the future. Are they
still getting a slot in this team? But a new
young comer that I like the look of, Tavita Muffa
Leo is in it. Prop for Torell Lomac's Josh Lord
is the cover for tup of Vity and George Bell
getting the third hooker spot. There you go. Pers get
more from Lovely on that Richard Low later on they
are here on the country see shine down, Yeah, can
(25:42):
you see the rain? Apparently you can't miss it around
many parts of the country. Some will be welcome here,
some won't be. Phil Duncan from where the watch stock
hat on and Zed joins us Now Gay felt we
were you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And it's cloudy up here, drizzly and auto where I
am today?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah yeah, right he thunder happening around? Are the old
thunderclap happening? What's the story there around the country too.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, there's been a lot of thunderstorm activity in Australia.
And for those who watched Batists yesterday, I mean, what
a spectacular race that was. The weather just made that
race incredible. So that weather has actually moved through and
out to the Tasman Sea and it's all associated with
this westerly flow. So we've got thunderstorms on the top
half of the West Coast and some of those thunderstorms
(26:25):
could move into the western side of the North Island.
We've got rain and showers all moving in. So it's
going to be with us for kind of today and
tonight and tomorrow and to an unsettled forecast. You know,
we really are in a classic unsettled spring this year
and no end in sight unfortunately to the westerly flow,
which some people are getting a bit tired of now.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, okay, in in sight, righty, So well have you
got at have you got any good news?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well we do, yet it's not all bad news. There
could be somewhere weather that spells over into the dry East,
and so you know, we are a little bit concerned
about Hawks Bay, and while most of the rain is
going to fall on the western side of the Ranges,
there could still be some good amounts falling at the
tops and spelling over. So's it's good news there. The
other bit of good news is we do have some
(27:12):
high pressure passing to the north of the country this
week and that will bring dry and more settled weather,
not as windy. And the third bit of good news
is even though we are getting these windy westerlies at times,
the intensity of them is actually dropping a wee bit
from previous weeks. So there's some good news in there.
But yeah, the West is going to be wet over
the coming week and the East is going to be dryest,
(27:33):
especially the South Islands East and Southern Wide and Upper Wellington.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, so does that concern for the dry does that
goes through the hawks by Tardrea down into the Warrapa,
Yeah it does.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And look there is some good rain coming over, not good,
you know, hopefully some good rain, but there's it's not
completely dry, so that's a positive twist on. You know,
the forecast a few weeks ago where we thought very
little would be coming over. So we're a little bit
up to mystic there. But it's a bit dryer than
it should be at the moment, and the westerly winds
are not really a good friend for on the East
(28:06):
coast when it's tri really, so we're just looking for
that break in it, you know. To talk about Londinia
is a positive thing. Hopefully we can get something from that.
But you know, for now, even if Ladina forms, there
is this westerly flowing place, so we won't feel it yet.
We need the high pressure zones north of us to
break apart.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, I have no promise. Been a lot of my
working week away from Auckland or down in the Mantle
two primarily these days fell and I'm quite happy if
we can let some go over the Tartarus and the
rue Haines end of the Hawks Bay and the wider
wrapper gratefully pass it on.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, one hundred percent. We could do with a reversal
of the weatherflowd the moment to balance things up.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Absolutely, there we go. That is Phil Duncan whether watch
dot co dot NZ here on the country while it
is coming up to quarter to one fifteen minutes away
from one o'clock here on your Monday afternoon. You know,
when you think about forestry, it's not just about trees.
(29:04):
You have to think about people too. Across New Zealand,
forestry helps keep communities strong, supporting families, driving local economies
from planting right through to processing. Certainly has its place,
doesn't it. It's the people in the forest, the truckees
you know, the drivers, the saw mill crews, the innovators
and the builders turning tim into homes and infrastructure. It's
(29:25):
all about looking after the land. We all rely on.
Sensible use, I guess is what we could call that.
Forests help protect our soil and water quality, provide habitats
for native plants and animals, and make our landscapes more resilience.
The best part, it's local. A large part of forestry
has grown by locals for locals, with an eye on
long term sustainability, creating work and opportunities for generations to come.
(29:49):
So next time you're out there driving past the forest,
which would take another look, because it's more than just trees.
All about striking your balance, it's livelihoods it's community and
it's our future growing together. Right now, it is thirteen
minutes away from one here on the country. When we
come back, we'll be talking to that man. Ah low
(30:11):
the yunit learned front row and there's a new prop
and the All Blacks. You'll like that. Now. Listen, eleven
minutes away from one, this all Black teams come out
and I'm huffing and puffing a bit. But that's not me.
(30:31):
That's Lowe's truck. Low How are you?
Speaker 8 (30:35):
I'm good, Thanks, Hams. Nothing wrong with this courtesy vehicle
I'm driving in.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh is that right? What has it not got a
windscreen or something? Here?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
It's it's like sitting on a bench seat.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Hey, severn Ree, I'm sorry,
Finlay Christy, I'm sorry Rasy. You've come out with the
All Black team and I feel like I've taken a
giant step backwards and terms. I know there's no Noah
Hope them available and Monti Naro. I know they've got injuries,
but I don't know LOWI. I would have thought that
(31:08):
they're not team, They're not players who are going to
take us forward to a World Cup. That'd be just
a couple of my real complaints.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Yeah, you know, sevu Reese was outstanding at super level,
but he hasn't tried to buy it and then got
left out. Tin Lay Christy had an awful probably super
game super season and then bang he's in the team again.
But that's only through injury. And I think, you know,
(31:36):
if Jamie Joseph hadn't had that team available, I think
it might have been different because there's a couple of
young players will get a good chance there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, I guess that's I guess that said. Thinking into
the team comes by have plentyes to Vita Muffa Leel.
He's a solid young scrummager who they obviously putting some
faith in with no Torrell Lomas.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Yeah, you know down Warnton could have been unlucky there too,
but you know we're talking about the fifth and sixth
in the position. So yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The blood a few yeah, and no offer tomla Farci
of course he's been out for the long haul. Radio
npc GE Old Counties nearly did the job a bit
of the Old Counties of Old. They were always ultra
competitive and they were five in a row going into
the quarter final against the Red and Blacks and almost
did it.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Yeah, and I think both counties and Hawks Bay proved
when you've got nothing to lose show causing to the
one and both teams played very well and not there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah yeah, look the other result the Otago team and
Bay a plenty. I mean they'd be two of the
real comers that they'll fight out one one semi final.
But you know you can't. Otago been pretty consistent from
day one in this competition.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They have, but the sea saw that happened with the
boys from Wakato wasn't probably a good dress rehearsal where
I think the barred twenty dismantled Tasman. So you know
you think, yeah, the Bard plenty on a bit of
hot form where a Tigo probably have had good four
(33:17):
more year. But can they bring another one to the table.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And Hawk's Bay of course into the semi final. I mean,
didn't you know not that you know, I know, I
shouldn't be I shouldn't speak, you know about the Hawks
bayl like this. I know it's got a bit of
a drought going on and everything, but cheese they will
be cocker hoop and almost unbearable one day going into
semi final and they'll rate themselves against Canterbury. Yeah, like Counties.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Proved you've got a chance, you know, step up to
the plate, have a go and you know, don't leave
anything out there, just do at all. And I think
both Counties and Hawks Bay showed it this last week.
Counties fell short. You know, it's one hundred minutes with
them beside that game where I think the Hawks Bay
(34:00):
just went from strength to streak against Taranak Karanake's had
a bit of a mayor of a season on all.
So yeah, that's the results went the form Wayn't.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Do you watch a bit of the bathroost Lowey? Do
you sort of? You know, I don't picture you watching Bathists,
but I have seen that big lazy boy cheer that
you've gotten the slippers that just beside it. So I
imagine you could have killed off a Sunday afternoon quite easily.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
We spent the afternoon sharing Hoggins.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Sharing Hoggins. Well, do you not want to give me
the call er? Do you not want hamous Jack Fagan
mackay and your shed? Hey?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah yeah, working health and safety, we don't want any deaths.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You're a hard man Lowey. Okay, well, yeah, yeah, thanks
very much for the compliment. You know, I'll take it right,
are Lowey? Always good to chat with you, and we'll know.
We'll probably later on the week maybe preview those semi finals.
There we go, Richard lower.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Tak which way are you going for the semifinal?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Two? By a plenty Canterbury final could be yeah, yeah, plenty?
What's your call? Then I'll write it down now so
I can.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
I think you're very close type yep.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, thanks very much, thank you. Six minutes away from
one o'clock here on the country, I'll be able to
ask you for live instructions as to what's to do
next here. Michelle, you haven't really piped up today.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
I am going to pipe out now because you went
against me for a targo being in the final. A
targo all the way, my friends.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
All the way, all the way. Okay, I'm still going
to buy a plenty of Cannabury. I'm sorry to do
that to you. Despite how Steamers are a great team.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
It would be lovely to see the Steamers and the
and the final as well.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They were something about them, you know. The first time
of the Champions.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Of the Bones underdogs. Everyone loves an underdog story.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, do we have another break. We're going thraight through
to the end of the show.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
We're done for the day. Just about.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's just about. And so like the Steamers, of course,
they plenty won the first ever NPC in nineteen seventy six.
Nineteen seventy six. I don't even know if your parents
probably weren't even born in nineteen seventy six, let alone you,
and yet I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
I definitely wasn't born in nineteen seventy six. I can
tell you that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, So the Steamers against the Steamers are
playing Otago and that's and then the Canterbury Hawks Bay
is the other final. You'd expect Canterbury to be the
favorites to win that, but Hawks Bay at times during
the season. I've commentated them a few times, Michelle, I
have a couple of times, and you know, they have
to be my default team now, given my you know,
(36:44):
my allegiance through that part of the world. Of course,
with a new road across the man Or Two Gorge,
which is across the hill there the Southern Ruhenes, because
the Taruas are on the other side of the Gorge's
most magnificent road. If you've ever been, if you ever
get a chance to be in that part, you like
coming to Parmison North, don't you.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
I've never actually been. I've never been to Parmeston North.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh. I thought you came for some road running or
some No.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I know that maybe next year I'll be I'll be
up there for that. But speaking of road running, the
Sports News Berry came fourth, which is a career best
performance at KNA for iron Man, which is amazing. Well,
I just have to say that that is an incredible feat.
Eight hours, forty six minutes and twenty five seconds. Imagine
exercising for eight hours, forty six minutes and twenty five seconds.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, the average person will be double that. They wouldn't
it to do it? Have you ever done it?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
No, I've done a three quarter iron Man.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
A three quarter iron What kind of the need and
type thing is that? That's a little bit out of this.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
It's actually a world champions type thing, championship event.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh is that?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A seventy point they get in a.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
Seventy point so three k swim, one hundred and thirty
k bike ride and thirty kilometer.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Run sounds very very painful.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
It is. I won't lie. Yeah, so that's us done.
That said, what's on tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
What have we going on to? What's on? I'm coming
here from Mighty man or two. Of course I've got
a long slow drive down the country. Now i might
even dip. I know this sounds I shouldn't sort of
put this out on the right. I'm going to slip
into the hot pools at Waireki.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Oh this sounds nice yete yeah, Oh, we'll wrap it
up then.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Great to have your company on the country. We'll do
it all again tomorrow. Out of the part of the
North Studio, I'm Hams McKay michelle down there in Dneed
and you have a cracking old Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
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