September 7, 2025 • 39 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Ingrid Smith, Stuart Nash, and Nadia Lim.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Brent, you're specialist in
John Deere construction equipment.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
Bit of a sad day, the Tom Phillips saga unfolding
ended terribly for everybody. What a tragedy. The whole thing is.
On a brighter note, we are going to kick off
the show with the I reckon one of the most
inspiring farming stories I've read for a long time over
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the weekend to do with farming and fashion Ingrid Smith.
To kick off the show, Stuart Nash. I want to
talk to him about farming and forestry. Of course he's
a former Minister of Forestry Carbon Farming Paris. And is
he actually going to stand with Winston and Jones and
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Shane Jane should I say? For New Zealand? First and
hot off the press Nardia's Farm Kitchen. The TV show
starts this week and the book is about to be released,
so they've sort of coincided these This is a spin
off series really from Nardia's Farm, so they kind of
dropped the farm bit a wee bit and put in
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more kitchen. I was tearing her up this morning and
I said, a wee bit disappointed there's less farming and
more cooking, because I'm useless at the latter and more
interested in the former. But we're going to find out
what was behind this shift. A very interesting operation still
Royal Burned Station if we get time. Philip Duncan with
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the weather as well. So we've got a full show
on our books today. We'll also update the latest and
rural news and sports news. And I was just passing
by a speaker and I think Carlos Alcorazin. I'll check
that has won the US Open Yanick Center, the great
rivalry in men's tennis. Anyhow, no time to waste. We're
going to talk farming in fashion with Ingrid Smith. To
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kick off the show. I read a wonderful story over
the weekend, and I've got to give credit to Rebecca Greeves,
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who's a journalist, former radio broadcaster. She's with Farmers Weekly,
and she wrote a wonderful story about Ingrid Smith. The
other half, the bed half, many would say of famous
sharer Roland Smith. But Ingrid, if you don't mind me
saying so, and I don't want to sound patronizing, but
you're more than just a pretty face because you're a
world champion sharer yourself. And we're going to move back
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to your face in just a minute. Good afternoon, Hey Jamie,
good for here. Well, thank you for taking time to
chat to me today. In true farming fashion, you're on
the end of the hand piece today. You're taking time
out to chat to me while your husband, Roland, world
champion sharer, former world champion sharer eight times Golden Shar's champ,
he's off drilling peas he is.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's sitting under us and the tractor and I'm in
the wolfs two critchen dirty sheep.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So how does that work?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
No, I actually don't mind it. I quite like the
physical work.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You definitely won't find me driving track, do that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, yeah, you with your mother, because this is another
wonderful story as well. In two thousand and nine, you
and your mother Mark Baines set a women's eight hour
two stand lamb sharing world record. How cool was that?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was probably one of the proudest days of my life.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Not surprisingly, talk to me about your background because your
university educated I think you met Roland while you were
both sharing overseas. So you've worked in many fields.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I have. Yeah, So when I started, I actually went
to school. Sorry, I went to university after sixth form
and i'd been working to Risington Breedline in the summers
and I sort of wanted to go into that animal
breeding genetics field, so I studied animal science for three years,
and then straight after that I decided to take turn
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and go sharing for a couple of years. So I
traveled to America twice, England twice and Australia once. And
then after that I thought I probably should put my
tens of thousands of dollars worth of the university education
to youth. So I got a job with Waggy Breeders,
worked for them for a year, then went to was
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the National Bank back then and did two years of
rural banking, and then met Rollie and we were doing
long distance at that stage. He was in hawks Bay
and I was in Rhodor, Uo, so that was quite tough.
And then a job came up with Ravenstown and Hawk's Bay,
so I got that job, moved here and rest is history.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Really, Sharing's obviously in the blood.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It is, Yeah, both mum and Dad are sharers. Yeah,
both very capable sharers. So we all, there's five of
us children, and we all learned to share in various forms,
and some of us have done it as a job
and some of us just.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Know how to get the wharf.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, you talked about Risington and their genetics program. I'd
hate to think what you and Roley have come up with,
because you've got what three kids?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Are they on the hand piece yet? Are they old enough?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Not yet? Not yet? I think their time will come.
They are definitely on the broom and on the press
so that it could start, always start at the bottom
and the sharing sheet, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I don't think sitting around watching television or playing
computer games is on the menu in your house. I
wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
No. Unfortunately, not for them. Often I'll pick them up
at the bus stop and I'll be in the ute
and I'll be like, ah, we going on the farm.
I'm like yep, They're like, ah, so there's spent plenty
of time on the farm. I don't always love it,
but they always come along and help.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, that's their time A much better use doing that
sitting in front of a screen Rebecca Greaves, as I
said in Farmers Weekly, and I'll give Farmers Weekly a plug.
It's a very good publication. It'll be in the mailboxes
this week. And her starting shot here is wearing lipstick
while bringing the lambs and why not hawks may farmer
Ingrid Smith aka the made Up Farmer is inspiring Kiwi
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women to look good, feel good and hold their own
on the farm. And that's why I said, and I
didn't mean to sound patronizing Ingrid, that you're not just
a pretty face.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, na, I feel like I present myself well every day.
But I also I'm not afraid of getting grubby and
getting sweaty and doing the hard work. I just I
don't some people think that, you know, you can't possibly
wear lipstick or have nail polish and do all the
things you need to do. But I'm struggling to see
the logic in that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You've built up quite a large following on social media
as the made Up Farmer.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, yes, so that's been a labor of love. So
I started the makeup business in twenty nineteen and as
it is in the article, I was a mum of
three young children. He's gone from being a professional earning
a paycheck for basically earning nothing, and I just wanted
to be able to help put some money back into
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our family. And yeah, over time, I've sort of realized
that the farming content resonates better with my followers, So
I just sort of do entertaining stories about what I'm
up to and do some lips thinking and shed out
of some people who want to tell me I can't
do what I'm doing. So yeah, it's been quite a
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learning process. I've learned that I don't like bullies. I
don't like that people can hide behind the keyboard and
say things that they would never say to your face.
And I love entertaining people like a community of like
minded women, whether it's that they are just on the farm,
whether it so we make up on the farm, whatever,
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a community of women that support each other in doing
awesome stuff as reural ladies.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Tell me about how you got into the lipstick business
to start with, because I think initially your company was
called ki We Kisses.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was yes, so I quite like alliteration, and it
was Yeah. The lipstick was the product that got me
into it. So it's called lip syns and a friend
of mine in America was showcasing it and she was like,
it just doesn't come off, and I was like, I
can't be real. So I ordered some tried it and
I was like, holy shit, this actually works. And so
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it wasn't available in New Zealand at the time. The
company is called SYNERGYMS, and so I was emailing the
CEO asking her, you know, could you sell it New Zealand.
She was like, no, we're not doing that, you know.
I fast forward a couple of years. They did launch
in New Zealand and I just dived straight in. On
the first day I found my name Key kisses New
Zealand makeup was kind of the idea behind it. But yeah,
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as I said, that's evolved over time from being someone
who wears makeup and as a farmer to someone who
is a farmer who also wears makeup. So it's kind
of evolved into all farming a little bit makeup.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
With your social media profile as the made up farmer
and you're getting a growing audience. Have you been able
to monetize that yet? Not yet.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Obviously I sell the product and make money out of that.
I did sign up for something the other day, but
I have no idea what I'm doing in that space.
I need someone to tell me.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
How to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, there's plenty of bright young things who can tell
you that. You've just got to create the content and
keep grafting. I want to quote something else from this story,
and I know Rolie's I was going to say a
work aholic. That's probably not fair, But he's an absolute grafter.
You don't. I mean, those guys are all freaks, and
you women as well, who do those world record sharing attempts.
You've got to have an unbelievable work ethic. But I'm
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just quoting Rebecca yet again. This is when you had
young kids in that Rollie was working really hard. He'd
get up at two am and share here on the
home farm, come in for a shower at six am,
and then go off sharing elsewhere for the day. Does
he still I know he loves tinkering around with his
toys and diggers and tractors. Does he still do those
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sort of ridiculous hours.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
He hasn't this year. Luckily, we're now at the point
where our farming business has just scaled up so much
in the last two years that we need we need
him here so and he just he can't physically survive
doing those kind of days. He I don't know how
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he did it. I don't, I honestly he and I
don't mean to sound like I don't know. He's just
to me, he's the hardest working person I know. I've
never seen anyone work so hard. He never complains. He
just gets up and he does what needs to be done,
and I really admire that about him. But he's just
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he cannot physically do what needs to be done on
the farm and and the tractors worth for twenty four
hours a day. So he's had to give up on
those sort are you know, thirty seven hour day a
little bit. But during the season, obviously he'll work as
hard as he needs to. But now it's the shorter
sharpest season or seasons, I should say, and he's back
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to helping me on the hand pace.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I know, you've got a twenty five hectare home block,
you're leasing another six hundred and seventy five hectares, you're
growing peas, you're doing all sorts of contracting in that.
Here's the question for you. I don't know if you've
have you retired from competitive sharing yourself?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I did it the Women's of Antiquity a few
years ago, but I just don't do enough now to
be competitive and it's too hard to train for that
kind of thing. Sisily were the kids and that kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, I know how incredibly focused he is. We've already
discussed that next year Masters and correct me if I'm wrong.
Golden Shares and World Championship. Has he got one more
Golden Shares title in him or more importantly, one more
World Championship title in them?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Now that there is a question I have been asking
him for the last six months, I will tell you
that he's got the entry to the Golden Shares and
that is as much as I know, So I'm just
going to be in behind him whatever he decides to do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, you're both champions, you're both grafters, absolutely wonderful and
inspirational Ingrid Smith, thank you very much for your time.
Your business is called the Made Up Farmer. People can
go online and look you up and buy some of
that lipstick that doesn't wear off at all. You can
look glam on the Farm and read all about it
and Farmers Weekly. I'll give them a shameless plug because
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it's a wonderful story.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Great to catch up a preasure, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Thank you, yeah, and well done to Rebecca Gres for
writing that story. Credit where credit's due, Give her a
pay rise. Dean feedback coming in. Oh my god, Superwoman.
Someone writes they are want to sound like Adolf Hitler here.
I probably do, but some people have. Some people are
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just genetically more advantageous or treated more advantageously than others.
I am I'm just going down a hole I can't
get out of, but I'm thinking Ingrid and Roland. My goodness,
there's some work ethic and athletic ability there will be
interesting to see if the kids come through onto the
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hand piece, a third generation coming through. Great story. You
can read it and Farmers Weekly also, Oh his, Jeremy Rooks.
Ingrid was my first Furt wrap when we moved to
Hawkes Bay, Top quality human Unfortunately, Jeremy, where you had
to dispense with Ingrid's services. I guess when you moved
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into carbon farming and talking about carbon farming that that
is a topic for our next guest, Stuart Nash. Not
everyone's looking forward to Stuart. Hi, Jamie, why do we
have to listen to that? Bloody Stewart Nash again, Well,
I find him interesting and he does know a lot
about forestry. I think he's got lots to offer in
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that space forestry. I want to talk to him about
Paris interesting in both New Zealand First and Act. I
want out of Paris. Where does that leave the Coalition government?
So he's up next. We've also got Nadia Limb on
the show. Nadia's Farm Kitchen is about to launch this
week on the tally the books about to be published
or is going to be released? I think this week
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as well, your chance to win a couple of copies
of that. Stuart Nash next bit of a Hawk's Bay
theme on the show today, here's a man who's just
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happy to be the list MP for Hawks Bay? Or
is he Stuart Nash Stewart have you or have you
not declared your candidacy for New Zealand First? And I
want to talk to you about carbon farming in Paris
as well. But let's just get that one out of
the road. The elephant in the room.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, Jamie Howe, and good afternoon to all your listeners. No, look,
I spoke at the ZILM first conference and people who
know me know that I was a labor MP for
twelve years in Pep for Nature and a captain minista.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But the thing is the.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Thing I spoke about, and I'd be inpted to know
what your listeners think about this, Jamie, is that you
know I'm labor to the core. I really am. And
when I say that, I'm talking about the principles of
the labor government set up by Michael, Joseph Savage, Peter
Fraser and Wolf and Nash. This is about, you know,
working really hard for the working men and women, for
a quality of opportunity, dignity and work, good social infrastructure
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and all that sort of stuff that labor used to
stand for. And I don't know if it does anymore, mate.
That's the thing. The only party I see standing up
and going really hard for the working man and the
working woman seems to be in New Zealand. First. You know,
the politics of pragmatism of Winston and Shane are resonating
in the regions in a way that no other politicians
political party is At the moment.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We got a thousand yesterday in Palmi North. Is this
just sad grapes? Because Chippy kicked you to.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Touch no I've got more things to do in my
life than that, mate. I mean, you know that was
twenty twenty three, twenty twenty five. Now I've moved on
big time. The thing is that there's always more to do.
And I doubt you meet a cabinet minister, sorry an
ex cabinet minister that doesn't tell you quietly or loudly
that there was always more. They never got everything they
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want to get achieved done. And I'm a little bit
like that. You know, I look around and I see
what needs to be done. I know I've still got
a role to play, whether I do that from sidelines
or whether I do it as a member of parliament.
Still it makes me seen y.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
As I said to you last time we chatted, I
think you and Shane gallivanting around the country a one
two punch would be quite entertaining.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Well, we both have very similar philosophies, and that's about
just getting stuff done. It's about empowering the regions. It's
about understanding the role that government has to play in
economic development. It's not leaving everything up to the market
and hoping it works. It's about ensuring that the settings
of the so workers and businesses that only survive, but
they thrive. So we have a very similar we have
a very similar approach to politics. You know, we're not
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afraid to call things out when we see them, you know,
perhaps not as good as they should be. And when
you're not shackled by you know, the chains of a
big political party, you can actually say what you think
and you can call it out in a way that
New Zillanders go, yeah, I get what that guy means.
And so you know, we're very similar in our outlock
and very similar in our politics. And that's just basically
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the politics of pragmatism.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Now as a pass in a past life, you were
the Minister for Forestry. Shane Jones was the billion tree man.
Did you two between the Peria cock it up? Did
you get the settings wrong?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
No, not at all. Well, look let me tell you
about carbon fun and I am a fan of this. Well,
I am a fan of keeping radiator in the etus
and let me tell you why. So I formed the
news on fire Service and the Fire Service said to me,
there's about a million hits of land that was cleared
that is just completely unproductive for any form of airable farming.
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And there's about another million hectes of land, which is
which is sort of marginal. Right, so you know you've
heard me talking this before, Jamie. There is no way
that radiator should be planted on our productive farm land.
There is no way it should be. But nor is
there a way we should just blanket plant radiator in
these areas because that'll end up to that'll end up
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being an ecological disaster. You've got to plant it in
a way that allows natives to come through, So you
limit the amount of time you can get carbon crepus
of radiator, and you've got to have a transition regime
and a very clear regime from radiator to native. It's doable.
I put the policy in place. Unfortunately, doesn't seem like
Todd's rung with that, but that's one of the things
I'd love to get back to. But the reason I
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like this made is for the first time ever, there
was an economic insentive to plant radiator or to plant
up ye're either highly marginal or unproductive farmland. And I
think that encouraged a lot of people to plant in
areas that were prone to slipping in a But we.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Have got the settings wrong, and you realize that we
all realize that when we're getting good pastoral or arable
land blanket planted into pine trees. I don't think the
government's new regulations or settings have gone hard enough or
early enough as just Sinda, your old boss would say.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, look, it's one of these really tricky things. And
I'm in two minds on this. I mean, look, I'm
live in Hooks Bay. Right when I was a first
in the MP, there was a family called the Elworthy family,
reasonably well known name, and they were I think the
guy was based in London, and they were buying farms
up up Wira Away and planting out the really productive
river flats. And the farmer came to me and said,
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you know, I offered to buy these for good money
and the guy said, no, n it's all and radiator.
That is terrible. You know, no one likes to see that.
It's a really bad use of land, and especially when
the guy next door wants to buy them as well.
The thing is is that how far does the government go.
Now you'll have a lot of listeners that say there's
no way I want the government telling me what I
should be doing with my But then you've got other
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listeners will go well, the government needs to step in
and say you cannot plant your farm in forestland. So
you know, half the people say government should get out
of the way and let me do with my land.
But sometimes those are the same people. Let's say, yeah,
but you can't plant you know, good productive land and tree.
So it's a balancing. You've got to get it right.
We've got to protect our fertile land, we've got to
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protect our productive land. But there is a place for radiator.
It's right tree, right place. And I think everyone who's
listening to this, whether you're a greenew or farmer, whatever
end of the political spectrum you're on, we will all
agree that radiator on good productive land is not the
right place for trees.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Food producing land should be growing food. Let's just finish
on Paris. Interestingly, Winston, I've had this position for quite
a while. They want us out. David Seymour's gone that
way now, so effectively, effectively you've got two of the
three coalition partners saying we want out of Paris. How
much heat is that's going to put on Luckson.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, it's going to got quite a lot of heat
and luction keeping in minded and that's pulled the farmers
out of Paris anyway. I mean my understanding is where
we're looking like meeting our first obligation under Paris. Look,
it's a very very it's a very difficult issue. First
of all, you would say New Zealander has always stood
up for something right. We're you know, we try and
get a premium in global markets because there's a perception that,
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you know, our butter comes from cows frolicking underneath the
you know, the beautiful Mount Taranaki and all grass fed
and the sort of carro and so there's an image
perception here. We've got to make sure that we do
the right thing. I always had massive concerns about us
pouring literally billions of dollars into some scheme that we
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had no idea where the money went. And you know,
when we're short of classrooms and cops and nurses and
teachers and doctors, and you're saying we've got to pay
five billion dollars because we aren't meeting our obligations into
some sort of climate fund, I think that is a
very very difficult plitic all. Sell Having said that, you know,
I would be very open if our first proto call
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was to see if we can renegotiate that. And I
think there's a lot of countries around the world who
were saying, you know, we've got big issues ourselves internally domestically,
same issue as I mentioned, we can't afford to pay
billions of dollars into some climate fund where we don't
know where the money's going.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Interesting time. It's going to be an interesting next twelve months,
especially with you watch this space.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's going to be an interesting time, mate. But the
bottom line is that labor isn't resonating, national isn't resonating.
But New Zealand first and Winston and Shane are really
sort of capturing the imagination. Have got hard working keis
out there that might have once upon a time voted
for the main political parties, but they're now looking at
them going well, sire as. I don't know if this
is the same part that my father and my grandfather used.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
To talk about.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Stewart Nash, thanks for your.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Time, Thanks Jamie, much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Twenty eight to I from one Savage was famous for
saying that he will look after people from the cradle
to the grave.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's one text that is completely at odds with hard
work et cetera. So Stuart is parroting National Party philosophy
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This is a good one. Ahead of the Ryder Cup,
Rory Macroy has clinched his second Irish Open golf title
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and this is a great tennis rivalry. A sixth Grand
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ranking from the Italian in the process. Up next, your
chance to win one of Nadi Limbs new books. Nadia's
Farm Kitchen. I haven't caught up with this woman for
a while, but I always enjoyed and enjoy yarning to
her along with her husband, Carlos Bagri. There's a new
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Tally program starting on three Wednesday, seven thirty pm. Nadius
Farm Kitchen now Nadia. I was a big fan of
Nadia's farm because I'm more into farming than cooking. What's
happened to the farm? But good afternoon by the way.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Oh hey Jamie, nice to chain again. Yeah it has
been a while. Yeah, Nadia's Farm Kitchen coming out on Wednesday. Well,
it's a bit of a spit off to the Nadias
Farm TV series, which, as you know, was us farming
was about our farming.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Journey with a bit of cooking in it. Of course.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
However, this show, Nadia's Farm Kitchen is more of a
cooking show with a bit of farmer farm in it,
so it's kind of the inverse. But yeah, there's still
there's still farming stories in it. However, it's just half
an hour show as opposed to the one hour.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Did you run out of farming stories or new angles
to make a fourth series for Nadia's Phone.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Kind well, kind of, I guess. Corls and I just
felt that we'd done that. We felt like it was
the right time or natural time to hit pause on
it because we're not actually doing anything new on the
farm now, Like people that watch the series of Nadia's
Farm would have seen that we were in that phase
of starting things up, trialing things, and you know, it
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went through all all of our trials and tribulations and
experimentation phase. But we're kind of in a place now
where we are just working with what we've got, what
we've already set up over the last five years, and
so there isn't anything new happening. So we kind of
felt that we didn't want to We didn't want to
get into a position where we were having just four stories.
(26:52):
And this seemed this Nardis Farm kitchen seems like a
natural progression. I was like, you know what, I think
it's time to do some off the farm recipes and
get back into the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So did you did you ever get the organic market
garden up and running? I mean in terms of being
a successful operation?
Speaker 7 (27:13):
So that closed down last year? Was yeah, last last year,
And we think at the moment we just don't have
the time to do it ourselves. We're actually thinking we
might put out soon a call to someone that wants
to like have it, you know, who wants to be
able to run it as their own small business, because
we've just got too many other things going on with
(27:35):
the lamb and the eggs and the crops and Swifty
and the farm tours and events and everything else that
we're doing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
So I reckon someone you know.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Who's really into gardening, market gardening, who who's had experience
and running one before, maybe they could take it over.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
So we're looking at that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, well you'd stolen my next question. I was going
to ask about the chucks you've got. You've got a
lot of them.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
We do.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
What are we still a few thousand? You're still at
a few thousand. We kind of fluctuate with numbers. But
they're lay rates coming back up now, which is good
with the longer daylight hours because that's always a pain.
And yeah, it's always a pain when winter rolls around
and the daylight hours are so short that their laying
rate drops right off.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And we've got all these customers wanting eggs of course.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
But we were limited with our supply.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
That now they're coming right back up, which is good now.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And also the other thing that you do run and
we'll get onto Nadia's kitchen a moment, but is obviously
the on farm abatoire. So that's a big business for
you guys now.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's going really well actually, like it's we've
had so many challenges with it. Of course, as you
can imagine, it was just really hard with not with
no one else in the country doing it, having an
on site on farm micro abatoire that could be operated
on a large scale and with an attached complment entry butchery.
(29:00):
No one else in the country had that, so we
had no.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
One to model off. There's one other.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Place actually, holy Cow and Cambridge that has something similar
and so we kind of chat between us and may
have helped us out, you know with the loud and
format and everything, but because there wasn't really there was
no blueprint for it, we've had to had to experiment
quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
But now we're in a good.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Place, like it's working well, it's pretty, it's a smooth operation,
it's consistent. We you know, we've sold the land before
it's even killed basically, so we're in a good space
of that now. But I think we're one of the
lessons we've learned recently with it, with everything really is
just that you know, everything's got a sweet point, and
you don't want to overshoot that sweet point. Like if
you go, if you increase in volume too much, then
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you need more staff and then you know, your costs
ramp up, and so you've got to find that sweet point.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
More is not necessarily better.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Carlos's Sweet Point is a swifty craft beer. How's it
going really good?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, I mean yeah, we've had such that's amazing feedback.
I travel quite a lot and I do events and things,
and there's always, pretty much ninety percent of the time,
there's always at least one person in the audience who
has to put up their hat and say, hey, can
you please fasten the Carlos and I love the swifty beer.
So that's yeah, yeah, he's loving it. That's going well,
(30:20):
thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Will there be shameless product placement of Carlos's Swifty Bear
and Nardia's Farm Kitchen. What's that?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
We enjoy your brew by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Well, the mackay said, there's another shameless plug and product
placement for me. Yeah, we do a swapsa. It's very good.
So with Nardia's Farm Kitchen half our show beginning at
seven point thirty, As I said on three, will everything
that can be be grown or produced on the farm.
I'm assuming, for instance, all your meat and eggs and
all that stuff's obviously going to come from the farm.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
We don't grow everything, but you know, I go I
go goat hunting, of course, of course we use our
own lamb rabbit rabbit hunting. What else, We go down
to Stuart Island because obviously we don't have any fish
around us, so to get some seafood, to get some kaimawana,
I'll go down to Stuart Island. And then I also
(31:16):
go visit a lot of other producers and farmers in
our regent. So go to down the road to like
just out of Wanica where red Bridge berries are, and
they also do a lot, they grow a lot of vegetables.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And herbs and things. Go to a local dairy farm. Yeah,
so it's quite nice. Like I really enjoyed.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
How it wasn't all at Roylburn Station, but I actually
got to go off the farm and meet other producers
as well and take back their wonderful ingredients.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So watch came first the chicken or the egg, the
book or the TV program?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Ah, the tea that, yeah, it was a TV program.
And then very quickly I thought, oh, while I've got
all these recipes here, and the recipes from Nadia's from
the seasons of Nadia's farm as well, I thought I
really need to put them into a book, just to
have them all in one place, and so yeah, quickly
got onto that and over the last five months, I've
been five six months been working on the book. But
(32:13):
what worked so well as we had all this incredible
imagery taken by several photographers over the last five years,
capturing our farming journey over the last five years, and
capturing the seasons as well. So I had all this
incredible photography to use. So I've put it all into
the book. And it's got over ninety recipes in it
as well. But on top of that, it's not just
(32:34):
a cookbook, so it's got farming stories in it too,
So I tell the stories about like our sunflower fields
and how we got into the egg business, our abatoire
and how that's gone, and yeah, hunting and foraging during
the seasons here and all sorts. There's lots of awesome stories.
I was actually reading. I just got my very first
(32:54):
advanced copy of the book a couple of days ago,
and I've been reading through the stories and I love
reading them, you know, even though I wrote them, I'm
reading back on the reading, reading them back and really
enjoying them.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, we've got a couple of copies of Nadia's Farm
Kitchen the book that is to give away this ninety recipes.
I think that's what you said, throw me your favorite one, Nadia,
if you were to pick one.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Oh, come on, that's such a hard that's oh gosh,
it's okay. Well, I'm just I'm just looking through it.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
What are we? We're going into spring, aren't we?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Well, you know what I'm cooking tonight. This is what
I'm going to cook the family tonight, the roaster trizzo, cherry, tomato.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
And asparagus trade back with pesto.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Because I've seen that my faragus still isn't up in
the garden yet. But at our farm shop, the Auburn
farm shop there it was a sale from you know,
locally grown, and yeah, so I picked them up. So
that's what we're going to cook tonight. So quick and easy.
It takes like five minutes to put together. Chuck it
in the oven for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And if you want to win this wonderful new book,
hot on the bookshelves, Nardias Farm Kitchen text us on
five double oh nine and write Nardiau's Farm Kitchen. I'm
sure there's a possessive apostrophe in there somewhere isn't the Nardia, Yes,
yes there is, so you've got to put that in
the right place because I'm a bit of a grammar nazi. Hey,
(34:10):
great to catch up with you, and I look forward
to catching up with Carlos. I must get him on
for a yarn to get the wash up of his
Nuffield scholarship. Thanks very much for your time. Thanks for
a couple of books to give away, and look forward
to your show TV three seven thirty Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Thank you so much, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Good on you, Nadia twelve away from one year five
double nine right Nardius Nardius farm kitchen. Get it right,
get the possessive apostrophe in the right place and write
your name and where you're from so we can courry
you off the prize. If you want up next some
more of your feedback, we'll update the Tom Phillips story
for you as well. Okay, welcome back to the country.
(34:54):
Aaron Patterson has just been sentenced in Australia the mushroom
murdering Lady. We'll update the at one o'clock the latest
on Tom Phillips's. Police are urgently searching for a fugitive
Tom Phillips's remaining two children after shooting him dead on
a rural Waikaro road following a burglary, obviously in Popo
(35:17):
so Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers says an officer was
approached and was shot in the head with a high
powered rifle before a second officer shot the gunman, who
died at the scene. Rogers says the child at the
scene was not injured and is cooperating with authority, So
hopefully that child can tell the police very quickly where
(35:39):
the other two children are. This is such a tragic story,
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has a text and what no comment on the Stags game. No, no,
I'm bruised and battered. Will take me a few days
to get over that one. You're all coming in with
the texts for Nardia's book, Nardia's Farm Kitchen. You're very
good with your possessive apostrophes as well, so well done.
(37:48):
Text five double nine right, Nadia's Farm Kitchen. The farm
Kitchen belongs to Nardier to get the possessive apostrophe in
the right place, because we're stickers for pozi apostrophes on
the show, and you're going nuts on that one. Michelle,
what's the latest with Aaron Patterson the Mad Mushroom Lady?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
So Aaron Patterson is serving three life imprisonment sentences for
each murder and a non parole period of thirty three years,
and she's also been senence to twenty five years for
the tempted murder of Ian Wilkinson.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So that, yeh, non.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Parole period is thirty three years.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
She's going to be pretty.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Old by the time.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Wow, she's fifty now, so thirty three it's eighty three
doesn't look that fit to me. I'm not sure I
shouldn't be mean to well, I should because she's a nutter. Anyhow,
that's it's been a bit of a sad day like that.
We'll update the latest on the Tom Phillips shooting at
the top of the hour, which is of course one
(38:41):
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We do appreciate it.
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
Bit of a sad day, the Tom Phillips saga unfolding
ended terribly for everybody. What a tragedy. The whole thing is.
On a brighter note, we are going to kick off
the show with the I reckon one of the most
inspiring farming stories I've read for a long time over
(00:49):
the weekend to do with farming and fashion Ingrid Smith.
To kick off the show, Stuart Nash. I want to
talk to him about farming and forestry. Of course he's
a former Minister of Forestry Carbon Farming Paris. And is
he actually going to stand with Winston and Jones and
(01:10):
Shane Jane should I say? For New Zealand? First and
hot off the press Nardia's Farm Kitchen. The TV show
starts this week and the book is about to be released,
so they've sort of coincided these This is a spin
off series really from Nardia's Farm, so they kind of
dropped the farm bit a wee bit and put in
(01:31):
more kitchen. I was tearing her up this morning and
I said, a wee bit disappointed there's less farming and
more cooking, because I'm useless at the latter and more
interested in the former. But we're going to find out
what was behind this shift. A very interesting operation still
Royal Burned Station if we get time. Philip Duncan with
(01:52):
the weather as well. So we've got a full show
on our books today. We'll also update the latest and
rural news and sports news. And I was just passing
by a speaker and I think Carlos Alcorazin. I'll check
that has won the US Open Yanick Center, the great
rivalry in men's tennis. Anyhow, no time to waste. We're
going to talk farming in fashion with Ingrid Smith. To
(02:15):
kick off the show. I read a wonderful story over
the weekend, and I've got to give credit to Rebecca Greeves,
(02:36):
who's a journalist, former radio broadcaster. She's with Farmers Weekly,
and she wrote a wonderful story about Ingrid Smith. The
other half, the bed half, many would say of famous
sharer Roland Smith. But Ingrid, if you don't mind me
saying so, and I don't want to sound patronizing, but
you're more than just a pretty face because you're a
world champion sharer yourself. And we're going to move back
(02:57):
to your face in just a minute. Good afternoon, Hey Jamie,
good for here. Well, thank you for taking time to
chat to me today. In true farming fashion, you're on
the end of the hand piece today. You're taking time
out to chat to me while your husband, Roland, world
champion sharer, former world champion sharer eight times Golden Shar's champ,
he's off drilling peas he is.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's sitting under us and the tractor and I'm in
the wolfs two critchen dirty sheep.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So how does that work?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
No, I actually don't mind it. I quite like the
physical work.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You definitely won't find me driving track, do that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, yeah, you with your mother, because this is another
wonderful story as well. In two thousand and nine, you
and your mother Mark Baines set a women's eight hour
two stand lamb sharing world record. How cool was that?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was probably one of the proudest days of my life.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Not surprisingly, talk to me about your background because your
university educated I think you met Roland while you were
both sharing overseas. So you've worked in many fields.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I have. Yeah, So when I started, I actually went
to school. Sorry, I went to university after sixth form
and i'd been working to Risington Breedline in the summers
and I sort of wanted to go into that animal
breeding genetics field, so I studied animal science for three years,
and then straight after that I decided to take turn
(04:20):
and go sharing for a couple of years. So I
traveled to America twice, England twice and Australia once. And
then after that I thought I probably should put my
tens of thousands of dollars worth of the university education
to youth. So I got a job with Waggy Breeders,
worked for them for a year, then went to was
(04:42):
the National Bank back then and did two years of
rural banking, and then met Rollie and we were doing
long distance at that stage. He was in hawks Bay
and I was in Rhodor, Uo, so that was quite tough.
And then a job came up with Ravenstown and Hawk's Bay,
so I got that job, moved here and rest is history.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Really, Sharing's obviously in the blood.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It is, Yeah, both mum and Dad are sharers. Yeah,
both very capable sharers. So we all, there's five of
us children, and we all learned to share in various forms,
and some of us have done it as a job
and some of us just.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Know how to get the wharf.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, you talked about Risington and their genetics program. I'd
hate to think what you and Roley have come up with,
because you've got what three kids?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Are they on the hand piece yet? Are they old enough?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Not yet? Not yet? I think their time will come.
They are definitely on the broom and on the press
so that it could start, always start at the bottom
and the sharing sheet, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I don't think sitting around watching television or playing
computer games is on the menu in your house. I
wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
No. Unfortunately, not for them. Often I'll pick them up
at the bus stop and I'll be in the ute
and I'll be like, ah, we going on the farm.
I'm like yep, They're like, ah, so there's spent plenty
of time on the farm. I don't always love it,
but they always come along and help.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, that's their time A much better use doing that
sitting in front of a screen Rebecca Greaves, as I
said in Farmers Weekly, and I'll give Farmers Weekly a plug.
It's a very good publication. It'll be in the mailboxes
this week. And her starting shot here is wearing lipstick
while bringing the lambs and why not hawks may farmer
Ingrid Smith aka the made Up Farmer is inspiring Kiwi
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women to look good, feel good and hold their own
on the farm. And that's why I said, and I
didn't mean to sound patronizing Ingrid, that you're not just
a pretty face.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, na, I feel like I present myself well every day.
But I also I'm not afraid of getting grubby and
getting sweaty and doing the hard work. I just I
don't some people think that, you know, you can't possibly
wear lipstick or have nail polish and do all the
things you need to do. But I'm struggling to see
the logic in that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You've built up quite a large following on social media
as the made Up Farmer.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, yes, so that's been a labor of love. So
I started the makeup business in twenty nineteen and as
it is in the article, I was a mum of
three young children. He's gone from being a professional earning
a paycheck for basically earning nothing, and I just wanted
to be able to help put some money back into
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our family. And yeah, over time, I've sort of realized
that the farming content resonates better with my followers, So
I just sort of do entertaining stories about what I'm
up to and do some lips thinking and shed out
of some people who want to tell me I can't
do what I'm doing. So yeah, it's been quite a
(07:39):
learning process. I've learned that I don't like bullies. I
don't like that people can hide behind the keyboard and
say things that they would never say to your face.
And I love entertaining people like a community of like
minded women, whether it's that they are just on the farm,
whether it so we make up on the farm, whatever,
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a community of women that support each other in doing
awesome stuff as reural ladies.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Tell me about how you got into the lipstick business
to start with, because I think initially your company was
called ki We Kisses.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was yes, so I quite like alliteration, and it
was Yeah. The lipstick was the product that got me
into it. So it's called lip syns and a friend
of mine in America was showcasing it and she was like,
it just doesn't come off, and I was like, I
can't be real. So I ordered some tried it and
I was like, holy shit, this actually works. And so
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it wasn't available in New Zealand at the time. The
company is called SYNERGYMS, and so I was emailing the
CEO asking her, you know, could you sell it New Zealand.
She was like, no, we're not doing that, you know.
I fast forward a couple of years. They did launch
in New Zealand and I just dived straight in. On
the first day I found my name Key kisses New
Zealand makeup was kind of the idea behind it. But yeah,
(09:00):
as I said, that's evolved over time from being someone
who wears makeup and as a farmer to someone who
is a farmer who also wears makeup. So it's kind
of evolved into all farming a little bit makeup.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
With your social media profile as the made up farmer
and you're getting a growing audience. Have you been able
to monetize that yet? Not yet.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Obviously I sell the product and make money out of that.
I did sign up for something the other day, but
I have no idea what I'm doing in that space.
I need someone to tell me.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
How to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, there's plenty of bright young things who can tell
you that. You've just got to create the content and
keep grafting. I want to quote something else from this story,
and I know Rolie's I was going to say a
work aholic. That's probably not fair, But he's an absolute grafter.
You don't. I mean, those guys are all freaks, and
you women as well, who do those world record sharing attempts.
You've got to have an unbelievable work ethic. But I'm
(09:54):
just quoting Rebecca yet again. This is when you had
young kids in that Rollie was working really hard. He'd
get up at two am and share here on the
home farm, come in for a shower at six am,
and then go off sharing elsewhere for the day. Does
he still I know he loves tinkering around with his
toys and diggers and tractors. Does he still do those
(10:16):
sort of ridiculous hours.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
He hasn't this year. Luckily, we're now at the point
where our farming business has just scaled up so much
in the last two years that we need we need
him here so and he just he can't physically survive
doing those kind of days. He I don't know how
(10:40):
he did it. I don't, I honestly he and I
don't mean to sound like I don't know. He's just
to me, he's the hardest working person I know. I've
never seen anyone work so hard. He never complains. He
just gets up and he does what needs to be done,
and I really admire that about him. But he's just
(11:00):
he cannot physically do what needs to be done on
the farm and and the tractors worth for twenty four
hours a day. So he's had to give up on
those sort are you know, thirty seven hour day a
little bit. But during the season, obviously he'll work as
hard as he needs to. But now it's the shorter
sharpest season or seasons, I should say, and he's back
(11:21):
to helping me on the hand pace.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I know, you've got a twenty five hectare home block,
you're leasing another six hundred and seventy five hectares, you're
growing peas, you're doing all sorts of contracting in that.
Here's the question for you. I don't know if you've
have you retired from competitive sharing yourself?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I did it the Women's of Antiquity a few
years ago, but I just don't do enough now to
be competitive and it's too hard to train for that
kind of thing. Sisily were the kids and that kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, I know how incredibly focused he is. We've already
discussed that next year Masters and correct me if I'm wrong.
Golden Shares and World Championship. Has he got one more
Golden Shares title in him or more importantly, one more
World Championship title in them?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Now that there is a question I have been asking
him for the last six months, I will tell you
that he's got the entry to the Golden Shares and
that is as much as I know, So I'm just
going to be in behind him whatever he decides to do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, you're both champions, you're both grafters, absolutely wonderful and
inspirational Ingrid Smith, thank you very much for your time.
Your business is called the Made Up Farmer. People can
go online and look you up and buy some of
that lipstick that doesn't wear off at all. You can
look glam on the Farm and read all about it
and Farmers Weekly. I'll give them a shameless plug because
(12:41):
it's a wonderful story.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Great to catch up a preasure, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Thank you, yeah, and well done to Rebecca Gres for
writing that story. Credit where credit's due, Give her a
pay rise. Dean feedback coming in. Oh my god, Superwoman.
Someone writes they are want to sound like Adolf Hitler here.
I probably do, but some people have. Some people are
(13:05):
just genetically more advantageous or treated more advantageously than others.
I am I'm just going down a hole I can't
get out of, but I'm thinking Ingrid and Roland. My goodness,
there's some work ethic and athletic ability there will be
interesting to see if the kids come through onto the
(13:26):
hand piece, a third generation coming through. Great story. You
can read it and Farmers Weekly also, Oh his, Jeremy Rooks.
Ingrid was my first Furt wrap when we moved to
Hawkes Bay, Top quality human Unfortunately, Jeremy, where you had
to dispense with Ingrid's services. I guess when you moved
(13:48):
into carbon farming and talking about carbon farming that that
is a topic for our next guest, Stuart Nash. Not
everyone's looking forward to Stuart. Hi, Jamie, why do we
have to listen to that? Bloody Stewart Nash again, Well,
I find him interesting and he does know a lot
about forestry. I think he's got lots to offer in
(14:11):
that space forestry. I want to talk to him about
Paris interesting in both New Zealand First and Act. I
want out of Paris. Where does that leave the Coalition government?
So he's up next. We've also got Nadia Limb on
the show. Nadia's Farm Kitchen is about to launch this
week on the tally the books about to be published
or is going to be released? I think this week
(14:32):
as well, your chance to win a couple of copies
of that. Stuart Nash next bit of a Hawk's Bay
theme on the show today, here's a man who's just
(14:53):
happy to be the list MP for Hawks Bay? Or
is he Stuart Nash Stewart have you or have you
not declared your candidacy for New Zealand First? And I
want to talk to you about carbon farming in Paris
as well. But let's just get that one out of
the road. The elephant in the room.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, Jamie Howe, and good afternoon to all your listeners. No, look,
I spoke at the ZILM first conference and people who
know me know that I was a labor MP for
twelve years in Pep for Nature and a captain minista.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But the thing is the.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Thing I spoke about, and I'd be inpted to know
what your listeners think about this, Jamie, is that you
know I'm labor to the core. I really am. And
when I say that, I'm talking about the principles of
the labor government set up by Michael, Joseph Savage, Peter
Fraser and Wolf and Nash. This is about, you know,
working really hard for the working men and women, for
a quality of opportunity, dignity and work, good social infrastructure
(15:40):
and all that sort of stuff that labor used to
stand for. And I don't know if it does anymore, mate.
That's the thing. The only party I see standing up
and going really hard for the working man and the
working woman seems to be in New Zealand. First. You know,
the politics of pragmatism of Winston and Shane are resonating
in the regions in a way that no other politicians
political party is At the moment.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We got a thousand yesterday in Palmi North. Is this
just sad grapes? Because Chippy kicked you to.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Touch no I've got more things to do in my
life than that, mate. I mean, you know that was
twenty twenty three, twenty twenty five. Now I've moved on
big time. The thing is that there's always more to do.
And I doubt you meet a cabinet minister, sorry an
ex cabinet minister that doesn't tell you quietly or loudly
that there was always more. They never got everything they
(16:28):
want to get achieved done. And I'm a little bit
like that. You know, I look around and I see
what needs to be done. I know I've still got
a role to play, whether I do that from sidelines
or whether I do it as a member of parliament.
Still it makes me seen y.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
As I said to you last time we chatted, I
think you and Shane gallivanting around the country a one
two punch would be quite entertaining.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Well, we both have very similar philosophies, and that's about
just getting stuff done. It's about empowering the regions. It's
about understanding the role that government has to play in
economic development. It's not leaving everything up to the market
and hoping it works. It's about ensuring that the settings
of the so workers and businesses that only survive, but
they thrive. So we have a very similar we have
a very similar approach to politics. You know, we're not
(17:07):
afraid to call things out when we see them, you know,
perhaps not as good as they should be. And when
you're not shackled by you know, the chains of a
big political party, you can actually say what you think
and you can call it out in a way that
New Zillanders go, yeah, I get what that guy means.
And so you know, we're very similar in our outlock
and very similar in our politics. And that's just basically
(17:29):
the politics of pragmatism.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Now as a pass in a past life, you were
the Minister for Forestry. Shane Jones was the billion tree man.
Did you two between the Peria cock it up? Did
you get the settings wrong?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
No, not at all. Well, look let me tell you
about carbon fun and I am a fan of this. Well,
I am a fan of keeping radiator in the etus
and let me tell you why. So I formed the
news on fire Service and the Fire Service said to me,
there's about a million hits of land that was cleared
that is just completely unproductive for any form of airable farming.
(18:02):
And there's about another million hectes of land, which is
which is sort of marginal. Right, so you know you've
heard me talking this before, Jamie. There is no way
that radiator should be planted on our productive farm land.
There is no way it should be. But nor is
there a way we should just blanket plant radiator in
these areas because that'll end up to that'll end up
(18:23):
being an ecological disaster. You've got to plant it in
a way that allows natives to come through, So you
limit the amount of time you can get carbon crepus
of radiator, and you've got to have a transition regime
and a very clear regime from radiator to native. It's doable.
I put the policy in place. Unfortunately, doesn't seem like
Todd's rung with that, but that's one of the things
I'd love to get back to. But the reason I
(18:44):
like this made is for the first time ever, there
was an economic insentive to plant radiator or to plant
up ye're either highly marginal or unproductive farmland. And I
think that encouraged a lot of people to plant in
areas that were prone to slipping in a But we.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Have got the settings wrong, and you realize that we
all realize that when we're getting good pastoral or arable
land blanket planted into pine trees. I don't think the
government's new regulations or settings have gone hard enough or
early enough as just Sinda, your old boss would say.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, look, it's one of these really tricky things. And
I'm in two minds on this. I mean, look, I'm
live in Hooks Bay. Right when I was a first
in the MP, there was a family called the Elworthy family,
reasonably well known name, and they were I think the
guy was based in London, and they were buying farms
up up Wira Away and planting out the really productive
river flats. And the farmer came to me and said,
(19:39):
you know, I offered to buy these for good money
and the guy said, no, n it's all and radiator.
That is terrible. You know, no one likes to see that.
It's a really bad use of land, and especially when
the guy next door wants to buy them as well.
The thing is is that how far does the government go.
Now you'll have a lot of listeners that say there's
no way I want the government telling me what I
should be doing with my But then you've got other
(20:01):
listeners will go well, the government needs to step in
and say you cannot plant your farm in forestland. So
you know, half the people say government should get out
of the way and let me do with my land.
But sometimes those are the same people. Let's say, yeah,
but you can't plant you know, good productive land and tree.
So it's a balancing. You've got to get it right.
We've got to protect our fertile land, we've got to
(20:23):
protect our productive land. But there is a place for radiator.
It's right tree, right place. And I think everyone who's
listening to this, whether you're a greenew or farmer, whatever
end of the political spectrum you're on, we will all
agree that radiator on good productive land is not the
right place for trees.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Food producing land should be growing food. Let's just finish
on Paris. Interestingly, Winston, I've had this position for quite
a while. They want us out. David Seymour's gone that
way now, so effectively, effectively you've got two of the
three coalition partners saying we want out of Paris. How
much heat is that's going to put on Luckson.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, it's going to got quite a lot of heat
and luction keeping in minded and that's pulled the farmers
out of Paris anyway. I mean my understanding is where
we're looking like meeting our first obligation under Paris. Look,
it's a very very it's a very difficult issue. First
of all, you would say New Zealander has always stood
up for something right. We're you know, we try and
get a premium in global markets because there's a perception that,
(21:25):
you know, our butter comes from cows frolicking underneath the
you know, the beautiful Mount Taranaki and all grass fed
and the sort of carro and so there's an image
perception here. We've got to make sure that we do
the right thing. I always had massive concerns about us
pouring literally billions of dollars into some scheme that we
(21:45):
had no idea where the money went. And you know,
when we're short of classrooms and cops and nurses and
teachers and doctors, and you're saying we've got to pay
five billion dollars because we aren't meeting our obligations into
some sort of climate fund, I think that is a
very very difficult plitic all. Sell Having said that, you know,
I would be very open if our first proto call
(22:07):
was to see if we can renegotiate that. And I
think there's a lot of countries around the world who
were saying, you know, we've got big issues ourselves internally domestically,
same issue as I mentioned, we can't afford to pay
billions of dollars into some climate fund where we don't
know where the money's going.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Interesting time. It's going to be an interesting next twelve months,
especially with you watch this space.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's going to be an interesting time, mate. But the
bottom line is that labor isn't resonating, national isn't resonating.
But New Zealand first and Winston and Shane are really
sort of capturing the imagination. Have got hard working keis
out there that might have once upon a time voted
for the main political parties, but they're now looking at
them going well, sire as. I don't know if this
is the same part that my father and my grandfather used.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
To talk about.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Stewart Nash, thanks for your.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Time, Thanks Jamie, much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Twenty eight to I from one Savage was famous for
saying that he will look after people from the cradle
to the grave.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's one text that is completely at odds with hard
work et cetera. So Stuart is parroting National Party philosophy
that from Peter Upnext Rural news, Sports news. Before the
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This is a good one. Ahead of the Ryder Cup,
Rory Macroy has clinched his second Irish Open golf title
via the third hole of a playoff. He admits his
homecoming after winning the Masters in April has been better
than first thought. A double dose of New Zealand South
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of Ireland, the women play a quarter final at Exeter,
kicking off around three hours after the men's second test
of the season in Wellington. Another great weekend of footy,
and this is a great tennis rivalry. A sixth Grand
Slam title for Carlos Alcaaz. The Spaniards defeated Yannick Sinner
in the US Open final, reclaiming the world number one
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ranking from the Italian in the process. Up next, your
chance to win one of Nadi Limbs new books. Nadia's
Farm Kitchen. I haven't caught up with this woman for
a while, but I always enjoyed and enjoy yarning to
her along with her husband, Carlos Bagri. There's a new
(25:16):
Tally program starting on three Wednesday, seven thirty pm. Nadius
Farm Kitchen now Nadia. I was a big fan of
Nadia's farm because I'm more into farming than cooking. What's
happened to the farm? But good afternoon by the way.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Oh hey Jamie, nice to chain again. Yeah it has
been a while. Yeah, Nadia's Farm Kitchen coming out on Wednesday. Well,
it's a bit of a spit off to the Nadias
Farm TV series, which, as you know, was us farming
was about our farming.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Journey with a bit of cooking in it. Of course.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
However, this show, Nadia's Farm Kitchen is more of a
cooking show with a bit of farmer farm in it,
so it's kind of the inverse. But yeah, there's still
there's still farming stories in it. However, it's just half
an hour show as opposed to the one hour.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Did you run out of farming stories or new angles
to make a fourth series for Nadia's Phone.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Kind well, kind of, I guess. Corls and I just
felt that we'd done that. We felt like it was
the right time or natural time to hit pause on
it because we're not actually doing anything new on the
farm now, Like people that watch the series of Nadia's
Farm would have seen that we were in that phase
of starting things up, trialing things, and you know, it
(26:32):
went through all all of our trials and tribulations and
experimentation phase. But we're kind of in a place now
where we are just working with what we've got, what
we've already set up over the last five years, and
so there isn't anything new happening. So we kind of
felt that we didn't want to We didn't want to
get into a position where we were having just four stories.
(26:52):
And this seemed this Nardis Farm kitchen seems like a
natural progression. I was like, you know what, I think
it's time to do some off the farm recipes and
get back into the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So did you did you ever get the organic market
garden up and running? I mean in terms of being
a successful operation?
Speaker 7 (27:13):
So that closed down last year? Was yeah, last last year,
And we think at the moment we just don't have
the time to do it ourselves. We're actually thinking we
might put out soon a call to someone that wants
to like have it, you know, who wants to be
able to run it as their own small business, because
we've just got too many other things going on with
(27:35):
the lamb and the eggs and the crops and Swifty
and the farm tours and events and everything else that
we're doing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
So I reckon someone you know.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Who's really into gardening, market gardening, who who's had experience
and running one before, maybe they could take it over.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
So we're looking at that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, well you'd stolen my next question. I was going
to ask about the chucks you've got. You've got a
lot of them.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
We do.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
What are we still a few thousand? You're still at
a few thousand. We kind of fluctuate with numbers. But
they're lay rates coming back up now, which is good
with the longer daylight hours because that's always a pain.
And yeah, it's always a pain when winter rolls around
and the daylight hours are so short that their laying
rate drops right off.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And we've got all these customers wanting eggs of course.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
But we were limited with our supply.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
That now they're coming right back up, which is good now.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And also the other thing that you do run and
we'll get onto Nadia's kitchen a moment, but is obviously
the on farm abatoire. So that's a big business for
you guys now.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's going really well actually, like it's we've
had so many challenges with it. Of course, as you
can imagine, it was just really hard with not with
no one else in the country doing it, having an
on site on farm micro abatoire that could be operated
on a large scale and with an attached complment entry butchery.
(29:00):
No one else in the country had that, so we
had no.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
One to model off. There's one other.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Place actually, holy Cow and Cambridge that has something similar
and so we kind of chat between us and may
have helped us out, you know with the loud and
format and everything, but because there wasn't really there was
no blueprint for it, we've had to had to experiment
quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
But now we're in a good.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Place, like it's working well, it's pretty, it's a smooth operation,
it's consistent. We you know, we've sold the land before
it's even killed basically, so we're in a good space
of that now. But I think we're one of the
lessons we've learned recently with it, with everything really is
just that you know, everything's got a sweet point, and
you don't want to overshoot that sweet point. Like if
you go, if you increase in volume too much, then
(29:44):
you need more staff and then you know, your costs
ramp up, and so you've got to find that sweet point.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
More is not necessarily better.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Carlos's Sweet Point is a swifty craft beer. How's it
going really good?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, I mean yeah, we've had such that's amazing feedback.
I travel quite a lot and I do events and things,
and there's always, pretty much ninety percent of the time,
there's always at least one person in the audience who
has to put up their hat and say, hey, can
you please fasten the Carlos and I love the swifty beer.
So that's yeah, yeah, he's loving it. That's going well,
(30:20):
thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Will there be shameless product placement of Carlos's Swifty Bear
and Nardia's Farm Kitchen. What's that?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
We enjoy your brew by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Well, the mackay said, there's another shameless plug and product
placement for me. Yeah, we do a swapsa. It's very good.
So with Nardia's Farm Kitchen half our show beginning at
seven point thirty, As I said on three, will everything
that can be be grown or produced on the farm.
I'm assuming, for instance, all your meat and eggs and
all that stuff's obviously going to come from the farm.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
We don't grow everything, but you know, I go I
go goat hunting, of course, of course we use our
own lamb rabbit rabbit hunting. What else, We go down
to Stuart Island because obviously we don't have any fish
around us, so to get some seafood, to get some kaimawana,
I'll go down to Stuart Island. And then I also
(31:16):
go visit a lot of other producers and farmers in
our regent. So go to down the road to like
just out of Wanica where red Bridge berries are, and
they also do a lot, they grow a lot of vegetables.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And herbs and things. Go to a local dairy farm. Yeah,
so it's quite nice. Like I really enjoyed.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
How it wasn't all at Roylburn Station, but I actually
got to go off the farm and meet other producers
as well and take back their wonderful ingredients.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So watch came first the chicken or the egg, the
book or the TV program?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Ah, the tea that, yeah, it was a TV program.
And then very quickly I thought, oh, while I've got
all these recipes here, and the recipes from Nadia's from
the seasons of Nadia's farm as well, I thought I
really need to put them into a book, just to
have them all in one place, and so yeah, quickly
got onto that and over the last five months, I've
been five six months been working on the book. But
(32:13):
what worked so well as we had all this incredible
imagery taken by several photographers over the last five years,
capturing our farming journey over the last five years, and
capturing the seasons as well. So I had all this
incredible photography to use. So I've put it all into
the book. And it's got over ninety recipes in it
as well. But on top of that, it's not just
(32:34):
a cookbook, so it's got farming stories in it too,
So I tell the stories about like our sunflower fields
and how we got into the egg business, our abatoire
and how that's gone, and yeah, hunting and foraging during
the seasons here and all sorts. There's lots of awesome stories.
I was actually reading. I just got my very first
(32:54):
advanced copy of the book a couple of days ago,
and I've been reading through the stories and I love
reading them, you know, even though I wrote them, I'm
reading back on the reading, reading them back and really
enjoying them.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, we've got a couple of copies of Nadia's Farm
Kitchen the book that is to give away this ninety recipes.
I think that's what you said, throw me your favorite one, Nadia,
if you were to pick one.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Oh, come on, that's such a hard that's oh gosh,
it's okay. Well, I'm just I'm just looking through it.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
What are we? We're going into spring, aren't we?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Well, you know what I'm cooking tonight. This is what
I'm going to cook the family tonight, the roaster trizzo, cherry, tomato.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
And asparagus trade back with pesto.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Because I've seen that my faragus still isn't up in
the garden yet. But at our farm shop, the Auburn
farm shop there it was a sale from you know,
locally grown, and yeah, so I picked them up. So
that's what we're going to cook tonight. So quick and easy.
It takes like five minutes to put together. Chuck it
in the oven for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And if you want to win this wonderful new book,
hot on the bookshelves, Nardias Farm Kitchen text us on
five double oh nine and write Nardiau's Farm Kitchen. I'm
sure there's a possessive apostrophe in there somewhere isn't the Nardia, Yes,
yes there is, so you've got to put that in
the right place because I'm a bit of a grammar nazi. Hey,
(34:10):
great to catch up with you, and I look forward
to catching up with Carlos. I must get him on
for a yarn to get the wash up of his
Nuffield scholarship. Thanks very much for your time. Thanks for
a couple of books to give away, and look forward
to your show TV three seven thirty Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Thank you so much, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Good on you, Nadia twelve away from one year five
double nine right Nardius Nardius farm kitchen. Get it right,
get the possessive apostrophe in the right place and write
your name and where you're from so we can courry
you off the prize. If you want up next some
more of your feedback, we'll update the Tom Phillips story
for you as well. Okay, welcome back to the country.
(34:54):
Aaron Patterson has just been sentenced in Australia the mushroom
murdering Lady. We'll update the at one o'clock the latest
on Tom Phillips's. Police are urgently searching for a fugitive
Tom Phillips's remaining two children after shooting him dead on
a rural Waikaro road following a burglary, obviously in Popo
(35:17):
so Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers says an officer was
approached and was shot in the head with a high
powered rifle before a second officer shot the gunman, who
died at the scene. Rogers says the child at the
scene was not injured and is cooperating with authority, So
hopefully that child can tell the police very quickly where
(35:39):
the other two children are. This is such a tragic story,
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So more of your feedback and we'll update the Aaron
Patterson's sentencing for you as well if we can figure
that one out before the end of the hour. Okay,
(37:28):
wrapping the country with an update on the news that
has a text and what no comment on the Stags game. No, no,
I'm bruised and battered. Will take me a few days
to get over that one. You're all coming in with
the texts for Nardia's book, Nardia's Farm Kitchen. You're very
good with your possessive apostrophes as well, so well done.
(37:48):
Text five double nine right, Nadia's Farm Kitchen. The farm
Kitchen belongs to Nardier to get the possessive apostrophe in
the right place, because we're stickers for pozi apostrophes on
the show, and you're going nuts on that one. Michelle,
what's the latest with Aaron Patterson the Mad Mushroom Lady?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
So Aaron Patterson is serving three life imprisonment sentences for
each murder and a non parole period of thirty three years,
and she's also been senence to twenty five years for
the tempted murder of Ian Wilkinson.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So that, yeh, non.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Parole period is thirty three years.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
She's going to be pretty.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Old by the time.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Wow, she's fifty now, so thirty three it's eighty three
doesn't look that fit to me. I'm not sure I
shouldn't be mean to well, I should because she's a nutter. Anyhow,
that's it's been a bit of a sad day like that.
We'll update the latest on the Tom Phillips shooting at
the top of the hour, which is of course one
(38:41):
o'clock here on News Talks. He'd be thanks for listening today.
We do appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
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