November 20, 2024 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Jason Te Brake, Peter Newbold, Chris Russell, Jo Luxton, and Mike Petersen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch you're the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie mckue Thanks to Brent. You're specialist in
John Deere construction equipment.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Get a New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. It's brought
to you by Brandt. My name's Jamie McKay. This is Cyril,
the cover of the Chris Norman and Suzi Quatro original
back in the day. Sometimes covers are better, sometimes they're
not as good. Oh, let you be the judge on
that one. I'm looking for someone today. Her name is
(00:53):
Pollyanna sara Eva. I'm just guessing that's how you pronounce
a second name. I'm trying to find us. She's somewhere
between between West Otago and Queenstown. She's Rabobank's regional head
of Rural South America and she's in New Zealand this
week as a part of the Rabobank Brazil Agri Leaders program.
(01:13):
Apparently a really interesting person. We'll try and track it
down today. If we don't, we'll get a tomorrow. I've
got waiting patiently on hold. The chief executive of Zesprey
more good news for the Kiwi fruit industry, Jason Tabreak,
to kick off the show. Peter Nubold appears monthly on
the Country. He's the guy who runs PGG Rights and Livestock.
(01:36):
When he's not doing that, he's running the real estate division.
I see, I think it was one of the banks.
Westpac yesterday moved its milk forecast price to ten bucks.
I wonder what that does for the demand for the
dairy properties and does anyone want to buy a sheep
and beef farm at the moment? We will ask him.
Chris Russell's our Ossie correspondent, longstanding this. He's a really
(01:59):
interesting character because he's a scientist. Basically, he's an expert
and he's a ruminant nutritionist by trade. But I see
Denmark have become the first country in the world to
implement a tax on agricultural emissions. I'm sure Jacinda and
Damien and co and David Parker will be very disappointed
(02:20):
that they weren't able to do that. But what is
Denmark putting on an a missions tax for livestock mean
for us here in New Zealand and for Australians. We'll
get an expert's take on that one. And Joe Luxton,
Labour's ag spokesperson on the show today, she's been touring
around the country visiting farmers at the coal face. We
(02:41):
might have a discussion about the Hekoy and to party.
Maury I suspectful disagree on both of those. Radio it
is ten after twelve. You are with the country. Up
next Kiwi Fruit. He is the relatively new chief executive
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of Zesprey. There's an industry on a bit of a
high at the moment, Jason to Brak joins us. Jason,
you get into the job and all of a sudden,
key we fruit returns head upwards. Are you claiming some
of the glory for this off the back of your
latest November update four cast price?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, well, look, it's actually been a pretty strong result
for our entire industry and it's really starts us a
fruit quality off orchard at harvest and also for our
supply chain in New Zealand with post harvest. And then yeah,
our sale and marketing team and the market have had
a really good gift given to them and the've maximized
the value of it. So all team effort through the
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entire industry. Actually, Jamie, now I.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Note that the returns for your green and that's the
Zespriy Green and the Zespriy Organic Green are at record levels.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, no, we've seen you know, we've been able to
lift pricing last season on Green and then even with
the increase in volume this year, we've actually been able
to hold that really strongly and actually lift a bit
more in some of our markets. So we've been able
to do that really well, and also making sure we
look after every cent we can so maximizing our advertising
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promotions spend in the market, trying to minimize supply chain costs,
and also a good onshore fruit quality this year for
our New Zealand industry as well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
King of the Stable is your sun Gold Kiwi fruit
the Kiwi Fruit Gold four November four cast price updated.
It's up a wee bit to eleven dollars twenty two portray.
I note that the organic sun Gold Kiwifruit is at
fourteen dollars thirty two portray. That is a premium of
about three dollars a tray. Are you getting growers moving
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from traditional to organic farming.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We are still seeing a bit of a shift across
into organic, you know, that's sort of happening naturally, but
we are seeing really strong demand both for conventional sun
gold and also organic sun gold in the market, and
ultimately demand continuing to stay ahead of where we can
supply to. So quite a good problem to have is
actually strong demand pulling our fruit through.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Did you get through the spring frost season, because it's
always a bit of a worrying time for horticulturists. Did
you get through that unscathed?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, by and large we have as an industry. There's
a few sort of obviously cases out there, particularly Inhale
sort of out an eastern bay of plenty, you know,
but by and large, the industry is looking pretty good
for next season with volume that's sitting out there at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And how did you get on with the winter chill?
Because there was talk that Topooky, which is the key
we fruit capital of this country, was becoming too warm,
or the winters were becoming too warm to be able
to grow key fruit. There was a worry. But I
think you've had a good chili winter.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, no, it has been. Winter chill has been good
this season. And also like I see, you know, it's
actually looking like we're setting up for a reasonably good
sized crop again for next season at the stage brilliant.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And the other thing that's happening in the key we
fruit industry with zespri at the moment is you're having
this producer vote on expansion, whether you want to let
more or grow more key we fruit or get people
to grow more key we fruit for you in the
off season in the Northern Hemisphere. This was voted down
a couple of years ago, and I know that voting
is still open. What are the early indications you're getting
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there from the punters.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, we're having a really good early turnout and probably
three times what we saw for the last vote two
years ago. So look, it feels like we're in a
good place in terms of vote turnout early on. And
I guess it's been a pretty extensive engagement process has
been for the last five or so months of the industry,
so they've been right the heart of developing the solution
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and being involved. So it feels like people are getting
out there early to have their vote on what they
want to say.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
How important is it for Zesprey to have that off
season supply.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, it's really critical and it's one of the biggest
things for me in terms of running our marketing business
is to make sure that we've got year round supply
so that we've got consistent supply going into our customers
every day of the year. And ultimately what we're finding
is when we don't have that, we've got our hands
tied behind our backs for ten weeks of the year
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where we can't give fruit to the customers who want it.
So yeah, it's a really big important thing for me.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Onwards and upwards for the keyw fruit industry. Jason to Break,
the chief executive of ZESPRI, thanks for your time. Keep
up the good work. Thanks very much, Thank you, Jason. Fourteen,
make that fifteen. Make it actually, I'll do one better
than fifteen. After twelve, I'll make it quarter past twelve.
Here on the country. Look, we're based in Dunedin, even
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though I've been in christ Church and Auckland in recent days.
I'm looking out my window, Michelle, and this could be
Dunedin in July. Is that hail? If it's not hale,
it's very thick rain.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It looks almost like it's definitely not warm here.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Is it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Honestly, the poor old farmers at the bottom end of
the country are just having an appalling time of it.
I can't I can't emphasize that enough. And then I'll
look at my drought index map and I'll see poor
old Hawk's Bay and other regions is on the east
coast of both islands starting to get a wee bit dry.
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We just need to we just need to spread the rain,
spread the love evenly. Anyhow, I've got some good news
for you due to the availability, due to the availability
of the Emerson's Tiny Pub. We we I think this,
I think this program is actually like I think this
is actually a pub that does a wee bit a
(08:56):
rural broadcasting. But we've got Ourson's open next Thursday, looking
forward to it. So if you'd like to join us,
we're going to host you. Put it all on. You
don't have to do anything other than turn up and
you get the chance to play at the magnificent Otago
Golf Club Bell McEwan, one of the top thirty or
forty golf clubs in the country. And we'll tell you
(09:19):
all about it. But just to tease it today for you,
if you'd like you and three mates to be hosted
by us and Emerson's. We'll look after you, we'll feed
you and we'll water you. Text team to five double
O nine and Michelle will chase you up and we'll
tell you all about it, and we'll tell you how
we can get you here. I think we're also working, Michelle.
(09:40):
Aren't we on bringing some people down potentially.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yes, we'll just tease that for now. I'm still working
on that plan. But yeah, if you text five team
to five double O nine and follow the link and
you can register your team and then I'll be in
contact with you.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But just be aware. Remember it's down here in Dunedin
and Otago, so.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Bring your wet weather guest. No, that'll be fine. Weather
has to turn. The weather has to turn for the better.
Have we found Pollyanna Sarah Eva? Is that how you
say Pollyanna's name?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I'm kissing. I think you did a pretty good job
of that. I think that's probably about right. No, we haven't. Unfortunately,
I think where they are the reception hasn't been too flat.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, we know she's somewhere between West Otago and Queenstown
because she's on the Rabobank Brazil Agri Leaders program. There's
a whole heap of them in the country. They started
on Sunday and they finished today. She might be snowed in.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
She might be maybe, I mean I saw there was
a bit of snow on the hills and Kingston. You
and I were arguing about the quickest way to get
to Queenstown from West Targa earlier as no I.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Was right and you were wrong. Anyhow, well, talking about Queenstown,
I'm going to go there next. I'm going to go
there next because just down the road from Queenstown it's
just the nicest part of the country is the Gibson
Valley and that's where actually he might have moved to Arrowtown.
Now we'll find out after the break. His name is
Peter NEWBOLDI is the GM of PGG and as I
said earlier in the show, Westpac now lifting the milk
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forecast price to ten bucks. What's that going to mean
for interest in dairy farms? What about interests in Kiwi
fruit farms, especially Kiwi fruit green farms, record returns for
green and green organic. We'll ask him about that. Chris
Russell's our Ossie correspondent. I'm really keen to talk to
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him about Alan Jones, but also about Denmark being the
first country in the world to implement attacks on agricultural emissions.
Is at the beginning of a slippery slope. Joe Luxton.
We're going to try and find her as well. Find it.
We're finding it difficult to get people today, but we'll
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do our best. Joe's been traveling around the country talking
to some high profile farmers and we'll ask her what
she was doing on Tuesday when the hecoy was in town.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Love.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's got the word, she said, I suppose you fir
monthly here on the country. We catch up with the
GM of PGG Rights in real estate. His name is
Peter Newbolb. We have a look at the rural market. Incidentally,
he runs the livestock division for PGG Rights and as well,
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so he's a very busy man. Hey, Peter, I noticed
one of the banks has gone to ten dollars with
its milk price. At that money, dairy farmers are making
good money. Are you seeing that being reflected in interest
and demand for dairy farms?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Yeh, look one hundred percent. And I think if there's
one issue we've got at the moment, we probably haven't
got enough listings now, but yeah, definitely a lot of
interest and that's also flowed over to dairy support as well,
So that's one part or one sector that's looking really strong.
And I think the other thing, when the payout gets
out to that sort of number, has a huge not
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on just property sales, but the wider rural community. So
I just think it's fantastic news, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Absolutely really good news for the primary sector for rural
New Zealand. We're talking today or we've talked today about
improving they're going up all the time. Fruit returns. Are
we going to get back to the halcyon days? And
I don't know if they were if you were trying
to buy a key we fruit farm where people were
paying up to two million dollars per canopy, heck there?
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Or has that ship sailed?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Look, I don't know. It's hard to look ahead. But
one thing is clear is that after a bit of
a drought in that space, we're seeing interest from buyers
a lot more than the previous couple of years, so
that that's real positive. And we're just starting to see
some activity in and around properties come to the market,
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which I think is a good indicator that things in
that sector are going to be positive. And of course,
you know, the returns in the Europe pretty good at
the moment, So an't your question we're going to see
more activity over the next few months in that keeming
through Chector.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Are sheep and beef properties still proving a bit sticky
to move?
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, to be honest, they are, and you know, you
put aside the quality ones and then of course you
get serious interest. And again I mentioned that dairy support,
so that's probably had a that's helped. But I think
one of the things with some of these sheep and
beef properties, I think you sort of almost need to
turn it around if you were the buyer, where would
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you picture price? And I think that's probably one of
those challenges that some of the vendors are just not
thinking clearly that you know, you go and sell something
meats personally comes in, there's got to be a return
in that space, and the capital gain story has gone,
so I think there's a little bit of I guess
adjustments still to take place there in a number of
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these listings.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
There's a really interesting dynamic happening in New Zealand and
at the moment the government is wanting to double exports
from the primary sector in the next decade. It can't
do it without dairy doing the heavy lifting. And I
think it was Cameron Baggery, who initially floated the idea
of another round of dairy conversions. Now, I'm not sure
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how this would happen environmentally to start with, but if
it did, Peter, that would kick life into the rural
market big time.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
I think there'd be a few sheet and deep boys
running to list their properties. I don't know if that
will really take place when you look at all the
environmental pieces that are out there that you know rural
New Zealand has to deal with. But sure you know
it's the stability and the price where it sits at
the moment maintains itself. Then there will be potentially the
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odd conversion, but I don't think it's going to come
with numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What's the best time of the year to sell your
farm is at spring or autumn. I always think that
farms look their absolute best in the autumn season, providing
you haven't come through a summer drought.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, and I think there's a strong argument that autumn
sometimes produces I guess, more listings, more sales, etc. But
I think it comes down to a regional play there.
And if I think of the North Island, for example,
you take somewhere like you know, Upper North Island, a
lot of properties come to the market in the autumn.
But you're dead right interesting now we've got a number
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of I guess individuals of thinking I should sell them
with property. It's too late now in the spring. So
I was seeing quite a bit of interest if I
look head look ahead into the autumn, and I think
those properties will come to the market early if I
look ahead now and what's happening. So yeah, look, it's
a positive time to sell your property.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And get on your pet and you boldon just before
I bid you farewell, put on your live stockhead. I
just want to give your team. Your stock agents out
there are a big pat on the back. I think
it was Andrew Gibson we spoke to last week. These
guys are out and about doing the hard yards for
the IHC, CARF and Rural scheme. It's a wonderful association
between the IC and PGG rights and long standing. Keep
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up the great work. We really appreciate what you do.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, thanks Jamie. Look, just covering on on that. You know,
the guys really get him behind it and support it
and we've been doing it for a long time and
I just think it's a wonderful thing we're involved in.
So long mate, continue, good on you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'll catch you next month's final rap for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Cheers, Jomie, have a good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh well, thank you, Peter. As long as I don't
have to go out on this weather, I feel sorry
for you farmers. It's awful at the bottom of the country. Yes,
and I have dug up the knee. Wea drilled index
map and I can tell you gee, Hawks Bay is
very red, which is the worst color you can be
when it comes to droughts. So it's getting very very droll.
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We might try and track someone down on Hawk's Bay
before the end of the hour because we're having trouble
tracking down Pollyanna Sarah Evah, who's somewhere between West Otago
and Queenstown. She's from Rabobank in Brazil. The interesting interesting
to chat to her. If we can't get her today,
we'll get her on tomorrow's show.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The other interesting thing that's recently come to light is Denmark.
They're the first country in the world to implement attacks
on agricultural emissions, including of course the proverbial art tax
for livestock. So what might that mean for us here
in New Zealand and Australia, our Aussie correspondent is Fate
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would have it as an expert in the field. Chris
Russell next on the country.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I guess he's got the reasons.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
But they're just a lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The next god as he's there, Ossie correspondent Chris Russell
normally in Sydney, although he is can I call you
a gray nomad now, Chris. You're retired or semi retired.
You and your Kiwi wife Jill love nothing more than
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getting in your campravan or your caravan, whatever you call it,
and touring the country. Today we find you somewhere near Canberra.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Yeah, they call us the silver tsunami now rather than
the gray nomad, because there's they're everywhere out in the
bush now, people who are retired with their caravans. And
your caravan is like your motel room in wheels.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You just put the suit.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Case in once at the beginning of the trip and
never unpack it again. Bit like a cruise. And you know,
we're totally enjoying ourselves here. We end up going down
to do some trout fishing in Gendervine. You'd probably call
them sardines in New Zealand, but we call them trout here.
You know, one pound one and a half pound rainbows
we catch there and then we're going up to borrow
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or crookwall and back to the case. It'll be a
good good few weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, have to throw those back into the river, Chris.
Interesting that Denmark has officially introduced or they're calling it
a fart tax. It's an emissions tax from animals. Interestingly,
I am researching this because I know you're an expert
in the field. Denmark is, along with Bangladesh, the most
cultivated country in the world. Sixty percent of its land
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is cultivated, a bit like the Netherlands, really very intensive farmland.
What do you think what ramifications will this have a
for Europe and b eventually for the rest of the world.
Are we going to have to face an emissions tax
in Australia and New Zealand? What do you think?
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Yes, it's been fought fiercely here and they're certainly spending
I love to have a dollar for every dollar that's
been for every hundred dollars that's been spent on trying
to solve methane emissions here in Australia, and Australia is
in some ways leading the world with some of their
research they've done, particularly on using injections using asparagus which
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is a type of algae that they can grow and
stops it. And the latest work also is finding that
hemp extra industrial hemp extract also is effective in producing
a reduction of about eighty five percent in methane emissions.
So you know, there's a lot of work going on
also in how you measure this. So I think the MLA,
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which our meat and livestock Australia, have committed to net
zero emissions by twenty thirty, so that's there on board
and I think as long as that continues, the government
is staying out of putting any sort of tax at
all on our emissions, which would of course be very
very difficult for our industry to absorb because you know,
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the cattle are the biggest emitters along with nitrogenous fertilized Hey.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What commentary do you have on my theory. It's not
a theory, and I'm sticking by this. When it comes
to sheep and beef producers in this country in particular,
I put it to you that most of them are
carbon neutral or positive. How when it comes to all
the woody vegetation, vegetation full stop. You can bring soil
into the conversation if you want as well. So they're
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already doing their bit to save the planet.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
I think agriculture generally does its bit, you know, when
you look at the millions of acres that are locked
up into green photosynthetic production, which is all really a
carbon sink. And I guess I think we've jumped onto
things to try and improve the look of what we're doing.
For example, farmers can get paid a lot of money
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just for leaving forests and not chopping them down. But
a forest, if you leave it without logging, it is
actually carbon neutral, not a carbon sink, because the tree,
while it absorbs carbon while it's growing, when it falls down,
it releases the carbon again, So unlogged forests and are
not really good as a carbon sink. But nonetheless, you know,
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we do all these things so that we look and
so we're meeting the requirements and signing up to COP
twenty six and all these other sort of things that
are happening. I am still of the view that we
need to spend a lot more money on adapting to
what I see as inevitable changes in temperature, rather than
trying to almost quixotically, trying to change the environment to
suit us. And I've been giving some talks about that later,
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because evolution is all about survival of the fittest, which
means we adapt to the environment, not we don't adapt
the environment. Back to us again, Hey, you're out of date.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You're out of date with your cops. We're up to
twenty nine. Look, I just want to finish on rugby.
The Wallabies are going great guns under a very good
key we coach Jo Schmidt. You're looking at it for
a Grand Slam. You are two out of four. I
think you've got Scotland and Ireland to go. But the
interesting part of this conversation is you haven't had a
Grand Slam since nineteen eighty four. Nick far Jones, you
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know the Eller brothers, some great rugby players in that side,
but the coach was Alan Jones. Gee, there's a man
in the news.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
There is a man in the news, and everybody is
watching with interest to what happen. And there twenty six charges.
I think I'm still in the record as being the
only person who's ever successfully talked over the top of
him during a radio interview back in two thousand and three. Jamie,
but you know he's certainly a man in the news.
But we, yes, we are daring to dream about this
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Grand Slam. We beat Walt Wales fifty two twenty on Saturday,
which is a terrific result.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Really, no, everyone beat Swales.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
Well, nonetheless, that's number two down. We've got Scotland. I
think Ireland's the one everyone thinking will be our final test,
and it will be. But if we take that out,
Joe Schmidt's going to go down as a miracle worker
without any doubt, and certainly with Alan Jones now having
some shadow cast over his period, I think Joe it
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would be nice to see the Wallabies would be pleased
to be able to say someone other than Alan Jones
was a successful coach.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Good on your Chris Russell. Enjoy the rest of your
trip as a part of the Silver Tsunami. We'll catch
you back next week. It is twenty three from one.
It's getting organized here trying to find someone on Hawk's Bay.
We will before the end of the hour. Here's someone
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talking about Denmark introducing an emissions tax. Don't take much
notice of Scandinavia, writes Jen Finland is giving out id
in tablets. They're expecting nuclear war where were Putin is
making some threats. And we've just found that the Rabobank
Lady aka Pollyanna Sarajeva is being entertained by Nelson Hancocks.
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Whatever that means. Nelson is entertaining the Rabobank Lady in
the middle of moa flat which is way up on
top of a hill in West Otago. No sole reception
there will get her on the show tomorrow up after
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The shortlist has been announced for the Xander McDonald Awards.
The New Zealand shortlist is Hamish Best, Meghan Bloom, Sarah Howe,
Ben Peruer, Claire Williamson and the Australian shortlist as Will Creek,
Matt Kelly, Jack O'Connor, Katee Power and Felicity Taylor. The
teen shortlisted will take part in interviews and next month.
Three will then be chosen to attend the Xander McDonald
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Impact Summit on the Gold Coast in March twenty twenty five,
where one winner from New Zealand and one from Australia
will be announced. And I think we recognize a couple
of names out of there.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Claire and Ben. We've interviewed before on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Claire Williamson here does great job with the podcast Blackheels
and Track the Wheels. And Ben Perua has a great story,
a great story of redemption. He got put in the
slammer for manslaughter and he's come out the other side
of it. He's a very inspirational young man. I was
lucky enough to meet him at field Days. Okay, that's
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Royal news, good stuff. His sport sport with.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
An half go Kiwi to the bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Our golf for Josh Gary is too underpath through seven
holes in the opening round of the Australian PGA Championship
at Royal Queensland, currently in a ten way tie for thirteenth.
I think he learned his trade at the Wei nine
hole at Enotomoti in Tolano. Five other New Zealanders tee
off this afternoon and seven's great DJ Forbes and I'm
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really pleased about this other guy long passing All Blacks
halfback Chris slade Law are celebrated, are celebrating being inducted
into World World Rugbies Hall of Foam. Now you won't
remember Chris Laidlaw.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
No, I don't think I do. Well're you trying to
say I'm young, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well, you're younger than I am. But he was a
Rhodes scholar along with David Kirk something about all black halfbacks,
but he kind of was. He wasn't the originator of
the spiral pass, but he was certainly the best exponent
of it and could allegedly allegedly pass the ball half
the width of a rugby paddock. It's a spiral pass.
(28:27):
So very intellectual man, very intellectual man. Okay. Up next,
Joe Luxton's been traveling around the country in her capacity
as a Labour's Egg spokesperson and we found a hawks
By sheep and sheep and beef farmer. I think he's
still that. He certainly got good credentials. Former chair of
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Beef and Lamb New Zealand, former Special Agricultural Trade Envoy
Mike Peterson to talk to talk to us about the
Dry and Hawk's Bay. What always enjoy catching up with
Labour's egg A spokesperson Joe Luxton, even though we might
not agree on everything. Joe, You've been tracing around the
(29:08):
country visiting some high profile farmers Nadia lim and Carlos Bagri,
Kate and Dave Ackland, Jody Drysdale. But does Blair Drysdale
actually fit in that lot celebrity high profile? I don't
think so. He's just a lion brown drinking Belfa farmer.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
I'm good to Jamie, you know, I've been out and about.
I'm visiting with all those different people and they're all
enjoying different things on farm, which is really interesting. He's
invaluable for me to get and meet them and see
what they're doing and learn about what they do and
what their visions and things are. But yeah, Blair and
Jody are pretty pretty cool couple actually in there. He's
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a bit of a laugh all right?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Are they chewing your ear? Especially in his case? Of course,
we use them occasionally on this show if we get
desperate for an arable farmer. He's never ba and coming
forward with his opinions, and it would be fair to say
I wouldn't think he would be a center left voter.
I mean, what sort of feedback are you getting around
the country when you meet farmers.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. I mean, there's never backward
than coming forwards. But he's actually a really he's actually
a really great listener, and he's open and yous. He'll
he'll tell you how he feels. But I think he
said to me, I'm the first laboring Peter ever go
down there and visit, and you know, I think that
you have the best conversations where you put yourself in
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faces that aren't you know, where you may naturally you know,
a line or fate. And we had a really great visit,
the wonderful host and you had a lot of laughs
as well, so it was really good. And you know,
we had a little photo and the true lips there.
It was that great check.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, and you've also been visiting Mike Casey the electric
When I say the electric cherry grower, he's the all
electric cherry grower and Cromwell there he does a good
job he's a bit like Nadia Lem and Carlos Bagri.
He's showcasing New Zealand agriculture and farming and a very
positive light.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Absolutely, it was a fascinating visit actually, and I even
had a drive with the tractory trusted me and asked
her have we drive? But surprisingly easy. But yeah, he's
a very very clever man with lots of really great
ideas and we did enjoy our but there and again
in Nadi and Kalas. They're an amazing, amazing uncouple with him,
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and the farm is absolutely gorgeous, gorgeous place and they're
doing some really great stuff there and they were also
wonderful hosts and we had some really great conversations with
film as well. It's been really really ruthful, really valuable
getting out and having sitting down to these sorts of people.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Were you marching in the hecoy on Tuesday? Was it Tuesdays?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It was?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Oh, yeah, I wasn't marching in the he quy, but
I was out on the fore court when the hecuy arrived.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, I'll ask you about the behavior of Tapati Marii
inside the house. I'll leave the he coy alone. People
have a right to protest or leave it at that.
I don't necessarily agree about protesting about something that's not
going to happen. But what about the behavior in the house,
the dress standards in the House.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, just before I will answer that question, But
I do actually want to talk a little bit about
the he coy. I want to talk about the fact
that it was really well organized, it was peaceful in
everything else, And you just mentioned people protesting about something
that's not actually going to happen. I think that's kind
of beside the point, Jamie. I think the fact that
this has been introduced and has been allowed to go
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to select committee stage is at that point there's going
to there's going to be a lot of hurt during
that process, is going to be a lot of awful,
awful submissions, and I think it's terribly unfair and it's
just not right that people are being put through that
when it is we've been told a bill that is
not going to go any any further beyond there, and
(32:59):
I just don't think that's right. I think the Prime
Minister has shown us no leadership here and could have
stopped this from happening, and all the hurt. That is
going to cone.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, Well, the treaty principles, well is divisive. I'm not
going to argue on that one. The behavior of Tapati
Mari in the house is more divisive if you ask me.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Yeah, I'll disagree with you on that one as well too.
I think Jamie, and it was other members' imparliament as well,
who are really there is a lot of strong feeling
about this. This is just another thing that people are
feeling really strongly about as far as the different policies
and the direction that this current government is taking us
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in as far as issues for Mari. People react when
they feel very strongly about something, and it's not really
for me to judge. I understand that there's been some
correspondence with the Speaker about the behavior and he will
act on let as he sees best.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
All right, we'll leave it at that. Will agree to
disagree on that one. But Joe Luxton always appreciate your time,
and good on you. Good on you by the way
for getting around the country, going to the coal face
and talking to real farmers. Plus Blair.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Yeah, thanks Danny, good on.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You, see you later. Thank you, Joe. We're going to
take a break, Mike Petterson to wrap it from a
very very dry hawks Bay by young Okay, wrapping the
country at late notices come off the bench to save us,
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save us, save our program today Mike Peterson, I think
I can still call him Central hawks By Sheep and
Beef Farmer former of course, Chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand Special Agricultural Trade Envoy. He's worn many hats
in New Zealand agriculture. Mike put this dry spell in
hawks Bay that you're currently suffering into some sort of
historic person effective for me.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Thanks Jamie. Yes, look, it's the good of getting driver. Look,
it's not unusual for us to get dry and hawks
Pay at this time of year, and often by the
time Hawkspace Show comes around on lag weekend, we can
be starting to burn off quite quickly. But many farmers
are saying, now, look, this is the dry spring we've
had and potentially thirty to forty years, and one of
the big concerns is there's a lot of stock leaving
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the district.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
There's a really early kill coming out of the region,
which is I guess good for processes, but there's a
lot of other stock that's leaving the region, and feed
crops are really struggling alongside cash crops as well. Some
of the amazing sweet cool crops are looking very dry,
but feed crops on farms are really really struggling.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now I've got a good idea. Has anyone in Central
hawks By thought about building a dam?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Ah? Have I got onto you, Danny. As lucky as
luck would have it, I've been leading the efforts for
the Tooki Tioky Water Security project. This is a water
storage at the Maca site of where the old failed
U Tannefer dam project was proposed. Completely different project, but
but you know, this is a perfect year for us
(36:09):
to be looking for backing for that project. Now we're
on schedule too of the fast tracked legislation. And you know,
say what you like.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
About the fast tracked legislation. Some people don't like him.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I fully respect that. But you know, this is the
opportunity for this region book Spay to get ahead and
to actually demonstrate they can look after the water properly.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Can you get this one past the goalie? Because the
stumbling block with Ruatanifa was eventually the environment or the environmentalists.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, no, the sumthing block for the old Ratanafa was
actually the process by which the Director General was going
to make the dock land available for the Damn for
the in the damn footprint it was. It was a
process decision. It was about the merits.
Speaker 8 (36:50):
It wasn't about the merits.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Of what was proposed. So the fast track legislation we
think will address that. And so that's the last remaining
box we need to.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Pick, apart from redoing.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
The commercial business case and making sure that we can
deliver water to the right places, at the right time
and at the right price.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I reckon if you can get this one past the
goal either could be in future years in the main
street of why pook Rao a statue of Shane Jones,
the Minister of digging it up and damming it up.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah. Look, Minister James has been particularly helpful here. But
you know, more importantly, this is going to transform the
entire region. We're looking at increasing minimum flows, we're looking
at jobs, economic growth, we're looking at communities getting water
that are desperately in need of it. So this has
wide ranging benefits. So look, any statue would be great
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and happy to look at for you too, Jamie. To
come up with the ovening.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He just look out if you're in Central Hawks pay
just in case. I don't know you're a dim witted
frog or a skink or a lizard. Things mightn't be
looking that good for you, but it will be good
if they can get that dam up and running. That's
us done and dusted today. We'll catch you back to
my alright, so.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Get a New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. It's brought
to you by Brandt. My name's Jamie McKay. This is Cyril,
the cover of the Chris Norman and Suzi Quatro original
back in the day. Sometimes covers are better, sometimes they're
not as good. Oh, let you be the judge on
that one. I'm looking for someone today. Her name is
(00:53):
Pollyanna sara Eva. I'm just guessing that's how you pronounce
a second name. I'm trying to find us. She's somewhere
between between West Otago and Queenstown. She's Rabobank's regional head
of Rural South America and she's in New Zealand this
week as a part of the Rabobank Brazil Agri Leaders program.
(01:13):
Apparently a really interesting person. We'll try and track it
down today. If we don't, we'll get a tomorrow. I've
got waiting patiently on hold. The chief executive of Zesprey
more good news for the Kiwi fruit industry, Jason Tabreak,
to kick off the show. Peter Nubold appears monthly on
the Country. He's the guy who runs PGG Rights and Livestock.
(01:36):
When he's not doing that, he's running the real estate division.
I see, I think it was one of the banks.
Westpac yesterday moved its milk forecast price to ten bucks.
I wonder what that does for the demand for the
dairy properties and does anyone want to buy a sheep
and beef farm at the moment? We will ask him.
Chris Russell's our Ossie correspondent, longstanding this. He's a really
(01:59):
interesting character because he's a scientist. Basically, he's an expert
and he's a ruminant nutritionist by trade. But I see
Denmark have become the first country in the world to
implement a tax on agricultural emissions. I'm sure Jacinda and
Damien and co and David Parker will be very disappointed
(02:20):
that they weren't able to do that. But what is
Denmark putting on an a missions tax for livestock mean
for us here in New Zealand and for Australians. We'll
get an expert's take on that one. And Joe Luxton,
Labour's ag spokesperson on the show today, she's been touring
around the country visiting farmers at the coal face. We
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might have a discussion about the Hekoy and to party.
Maury I suspectful disagree on both of those. Radio it
is ten after twelve. You are with the country. Up
next Kiwi Fruit. He is the relatively new chief executive
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of Zesprey. There's an industry on a bit of a
high at the moment, Jason to Brak joins us. Jason,
you get into the job and all of a sudden,
key we fruit returns head upwards. Are you claiming some
of the glory for this off the back of your
latest November update four cast price?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, well, look, it's actually been a pretty strong result
for our entire industry and it's really starts us a
fruit quality off orchard at harvest and also for our
supply chain in New Zealand with post harvest. And then yeah,
our sale and marketing team and the market have had
a really good gift given to them and the've maximized
the value of it. So all team effort through the
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entire industry. Actually, Jamie, now I.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Note that the returns for your green and that's the
Zespriy Green and the Zespriy Organic Green are at record levels.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, no, we've seen you know, we've been able to
lift pricing last season on Green and then even with
the increase in volume this year, we've actually been able
to hold that really strongly and actually lift a bit
more in some of our markets. So we've been able
to do that really well, and also making sure we
look after every cent we can so maximizing our advertising
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promotions spend in the market, trying to minimize supply chain costs,
and also a good onshore fruit quality this year for
our New Zealand industry as well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
King of the Stable is your sun Gold Kiwi fruit
the Kiwi Fruit Gold four November four cast price updated.
It's up a wee bit to eleven dollars twenty two portray.
I note that the organic sun Gold Kiwifruit is at
fourteen dollars thirty two portray. That is a premium of
about three dollars a tray. Are you getting growers moving
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from traditional to organic farming.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We are still seeing a bit of a shift across
into organic, you know, that's sort of happening naturally, but
we are seeing really strong demand both for conventional sun
gold and also organic sun gold in the market, and
ultimately demand continuing to stay ahead of where we can
supply to. So quite a good problem to have is
actually strong demand pulling our fruit through.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Did you get through the spring frost season, because it's
always a bit of a worrying time for horticulturists. Did
you get through that unscathed?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, by and large we have as an industry. There's
a few sort of obviously cases out there, particularly Inhale
sort of out an eastern bay of plenty, you know,
but by and large, the industry is looking pretty good
for next season with volume that's sitting out there at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And how did you get on with the winter chill?
Because there was talk that Topooky, which is the key
we fruit capital of this country, was becoming too warm,
or the winters were becoming too warm to be able
to grow key fruit. There was a worry. But I
think you've had a good chili winter.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, no, it has been. Winter chill has been good
this season. And also like I see, you know, it's
actually looking like we're setting up for a reasonably good
sized crop again for next season at the stage brilliant.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And the other thing that's happening in the key we
fruit industry with zespri at the moment is you're having
this producer vote on expansion, whether you want to let
more or grow more key we fruit or get people
to grow more key we fruit for you in the
off season in the Northern Hemisphere. This was voted down
a couple of years ago, and I know that voting
is still open. What are the early indications you're getting
(06:31):
there from the punters.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, we're having a really good early turnout and probably
three times what we saw for the last vote two
years ago. So look, it feels like we're in a
good place in terms of vote turnout early on. And
I guess it's been a pretty extensive engagement process has
been for the last five or so months of the industry,
so they've been right the heart of developing the solution
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and being involved. So it feels like people are getting
out there early to have their vote on what they
want to say.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
How important is it for Zesprey to have that off
season supply.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, it's really critical and it's one of the biggest
things for me in terms of running our marketing business
is to make sure that we've got year round supply
so that we've got consistent supply going into our customers
every day of the year. And ultimately what we're finding
is when we don't have that, we've got our hands
tied behind our backs for ten weeks of the year
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where we can't give fruit to the customers who want it.
So yeah, it's a really big important thing for me.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Onwards and upwards for the keyw fruit industry. Jason to Break,
the chief executive of ZESPRI, thanks for your time. Keep
up the good work. Thanks very much, Thank you, Jason. Fourteen,
make that fifteen. Make it actually, I'll do one better
than fifteen. After twelve, I'll make it quarter past twelve.
Here on the country. Look, we're based in Dunedin, even
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though I've been in christ Church and Auckland in recent days.
I'm looking out my window, Michelle, and this could be
Dunedin in July. Is that hail? If it's not hale,
it's very thick rain.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It looks almost like it's definitely not warm here.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Is it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Honestly, the poor old farmers at the bottom end of
the country are just having an appalling time of it.
I can't I can't emphasize that enough. And then I'll
look at my drought index map and I'll see poor
old Hawk's Bay and other regions is on the east
coast of both islands starting to get a wee bit dry.
(08:35):
We just need to we just need to spread the rain,
spread the love evenly. Anyhow, I've got some good news
for you due to the availability, due to the availability
of the Emerson's Tiny Pub. We we I think this,
I think this program is actually like I think this
is actually a pub that does a wee bit a
(08:56):
rural broadcasting. But we've got Ourson's open next Thursday, looking
forward to it. So if you'd like to join us,
we're going to host you. Put it all on. You
don't have to do anything other than turn up and
you get the chance to play at the magnificent Otago
Golf Club Bell McEwan, one of the top thirty or
forty golf clubs in the country. And we'll tell you
(09:19):
all about it. But just to tease it today for you,
if you'd like you and three mates to be hosted
by us and Emerson's. We'll look after you, we'll feed
you and we'll water you. Text team to five double
O nine and Michelle will chase you up and we'll
tell you all about it, and we'll tell you how
we can get you here. I think we're also working, Michelle.
(09:40):
Aren't we on bringing some people down potentially.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yes, we'll just tease that for now. I'm still working
on that plan. But yeah, if you text five team
to five double O nine and follow the link and
you can register your team and then I'll be in
contact with you.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But just be aware. Remember it's down here in Dunedin
and Otago, so.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Bring your wet weather guest. No, that'll be fine. Weather
has to turn. The weather has to turn for the better.
Have we found Pollyanna Sarah Eva? Is that how you
say Pollyanna's name?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I'm kissing. I think you did a pretty good job
of that. I think that's probably about right. No, we haven't. Unfortunately,
I think where they are the reception hasn't been too flat.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, we know she's somewhere between West Otago and Queenstown
because she's on the Rabobank Brazil Agri Leaders program. There's
a whole heap of them in the country. They started
on Sunday and they finished today. She might be snowed in.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
She might be maybe, I mean I saw there was
a bit of snow on the hills and Kingston. You
and I were arguing about the quickest way to get
to Queenstown from West Targa earlier as no I.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Was right and you were wrong. Anyhow, well, talking about Queenstown,
I'm going to go there next. I'm going to go
there next because just down the road from Queenstown it's
just the nicest part of the country is the Gibson
Valley and that's where actually he might have moved to Arrowtown.
Now we'll find out after the break. His name is
Peter NEWBOLDI is the GM of PGG and as I
said earlier in the show, Westpac now lifting the milk
(11:03):
forecast price to ten bucks. What's that going to mean
for interest in dairy farms? What about interests in Kiwi
fruit farms, especially Kiwi fruit green farms, record returns for
green and green organic. We'll ask him about that. Chris
Russell's our Ossie correspondent. I'm really keen to talk to
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him about Alan Jones, but also about Denmark being the
first country in the world to implement attacks on agricultural emissions.
Is at the beginning of a slippery slope. Joe Luxton.
We're going to try and find her as well. Find it.
We're finding it difficult to get people today, but we'll
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do our best. Joe's been traveling around the country talking
to some high profile farmers and we'll ask her what
she was doing on Tuesday when the hecoy was in town.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Love.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's got the word, she said, I suppose you fir
monthly here on the country. We catch up with the
GM of PGG Rights in real estate. His name is
Peter Newbolb. We have a look at the rural market. Incidentally,
he runs the livestock division for PGG Rights and as well,
(12:22):
so he's a very busy man. Hey, Peter, I noticed
one of the banks has gone to ten dollars with
its milk price. At that money, dairy farmers are making
good money. Are you seeing that being reflected in interest
and demand for dairy farms?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Yeh, look one hundred percent. And I think if there's
one issue we've got at the moment, we probably haven't
got enough listings now, but yeah, definitely a lot of
interest and that's also flowed over to dairy support as well,
So that's one part or one sector that's looking really strong.
And I think the other thing, when the payout gets
out to that sort of number, has a huge not
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on just property sales, but the wider rural community. So
I just think it's fantastic news, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Absolutely really good news for the primary sector for rural
New Zealand. We're talking today or we've talked today about
improving they're going up all the time. Fruit returns. Are
we going to get back to the halcyon days? And
I don't know if they were if you were trying
to buy a key we fruit farm where people were
paying up to two million dollars per canopy, heck there?
(13:29):
Or has that ship sailed?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Look, I don't know. It's hard to look ahead. But
one thing is clear is that after a bit of
a drought in that space, we're seeing interest from buyers
a lot more than the previous couple of years, so
that that's real positive. And we're just starting to see
some activity in and around properties come to the market,
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which I think is a good indicator that things in
that sector are going to be positive. And of course,
you know, the returns in the Europe pretty good at
the moment, So an't your question we're going to see
more activity over the next few months in that keeming
through Chector.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Are sheep and beef properties still proving a bit sticky
to move?
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, to be honest, they are, and you know, you
put aside the quality ones and then of course you
get serious interest. And again I mentioned that dairy support,
so that's probably had a that's helped. But I think
one of the things with some of these sheep and
beef properties, I think you sort of almost need to
turn it around if you were the buyer, where would
(14:33):
you picture price? And I think that's probably one of
those challenges that some of the vendors are just not
thinking clearly that you know, you go and sell something
meats personally comes in, there's got to be a return
in that space, and the capital gain story has gone,
so I think there's a little bit of I guess
adjustments still to take place there in a number of
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these listings.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
There's a really interesting dynamic happening in New Zealand and
at the moment the government is wanting to double exports
from the primary sector in the next decade. It can't
do it without dairy doing the heavy lifting. And I
think it was Cameron Baggery, who initially floated the idea
of another round of dairy conversions. Now, I'm not sure
(15:18):
how this would happen environmentally to start with, but if
it did, Peter, that would kick life into the rural
market big time.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
I think there'd be a few sheet and deep boys
running to list their properties. I don't know if that
will really take place when you look at all the
environmental pieces that are out there that you know rural
New Zealand has to deal with. But sure you know
it's the stability and the price where it sits at
the moment maintains itself. Then there will be potentially the
(15:49):
odd conversion, but I don't think it's going to come
with numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What's the best time of the year to sell your
farm is at spring or autumn. I always think that
farms look their absolute best in the autumn season, providing
you haven't come through a summer drought.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, and I think there's a strong argument that autumn
sometimes produces I guess, more listings, more sales, etc. But
I think it comes down to a regional play there.
And if I think of the North Island, for example,
you take somewhere like you know, Upper North Island, a
lot of properties come to the market in the autumn.
But you're dead right interesting now we've got a number
(16:25):
of I guess individuals of thinking I should sell them
with property. It's too late now in the spring. So
I was seeing quite a bit of interest if I
look head look ahead into the autumn, and I think
those properties will come to the market early if I
look ahead now and what's happening. So yeah, look, it's
a positive time to sell your property.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And get on your pet and you boldon just before
I bid you farewell, put on your live stockhead. I
just want to give your team. Your stock agents out
there are a big pat on the back. I think
it was Andrew Gibson we spoke to last week. These
guys are out and about doing the hard yards for
the IHC, CARF and Rural scheme. It's a wonderful association
between the IC and PGG rights and long standing. Keep
(17:07):
up the great work. We really appreciate what you do.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, thanks Jamie. Look, just covering on on that. You know,
the guys really get him behind it and support it
and we've been doing it for a long time and
I just think it's a wonderful thing we're involved in.
So long mate, continue, good on you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'll catch you next month's final rap for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Cheers, Jomie, have a good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh well, thank you, Peter. As long as I don't
have to go out on this weather, I feel sorry
for you farmers. It's awful at the bottom of the country. Yes,
and I have dug up the knee. Wea drilled index
map and I can tell you gee, Hawks Bay is
very red, which is the worst color you can be
when it comes to droughts. So it's getting very very droll.
(17:52):
We might try and track someone down on Hawk's Bay
before the end of the hour because we're having trouble
tracking down Pollyanna Sarah Evah, who's somewhere between West Otago
and Queenstown. She's from Rabobank in Brazil. The interesting interesting
to chat to her. If we can't get her today,
we'll get her on tomorrow's show.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The other interesting thing that's recently come to light is Denmark.
They're the first country in the world to implement attacks
on agricultural emissions, including of course the proverbial art tax
for livestock. So what might that mean for us here
in New Zealand and Australia, our Aussie correspondent is Fate
(18:35):
would have it as an expert in the field. Chris
Russell next on the country.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I guess he's got the reasons.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
But they're just a lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The next god as he's there, Ossie correspondent Chris Russell
normally in Sydney, although he is can I call you
a gray nomad now, Chris. You're retired or semi retired.
You and your Kiwi wife Jill love nothing more than
(19:14):
getting in your campravan or your caravan, whatever you call it,
and touring the country. Today we find you somewhere near Canberra.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Yeah, they call us the silver tsunami now rather than
the gray nomad, because there's they're everywhere out in the
bush now, people who are retired with their caravans. And
your caravan is like your motel room in wheels.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You just put the suit.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Case in once at the beginning of the trip and
never unpack it again. Bit like a cruise. And you know,
we're totally enjoying ourselves here. We end up going down
to do some trout fishing in Gendervine. You'd probably call
them sardines in New Zealand, but we call them trout here.
You know, one pound one and a half pound rainbows
we catch there and then we're going up to borrow
(19:56):
or crookwall and back to the case. It'll be a
good good few weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, have to throw those back into the river, Chris.
Interesting that Denmark has officially introduced or they're calling it
a fart tax. It's an emissions tax from animals. Interestingly,
I am researching this because I know you're an expert
in the field. Denmark is, along with Bangladesh, the most
cultivated country in the world. Sixty percent of its land
(20:21):
is cultivated, a bit like the Netherlands, really very intensive farmland.
What do you think what ramifications will this have a
for Europe and b eventually for the rest of the world.
Are we going to have to face an emissions tax
in Australia and New Zealand? What do you think?
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Yes, it's been fought fiercely here and they're certainly spending
I love to have a dollar for every dollar that's
been for every hundred dollars that's been spent on trying
to solve methane emissions here in Australia, and Australia is
in some ways leading the world with some of their
research they've done, particularly on using injections using asparagus which
(21:00):
is a type of algae that they can grow and
stops it. And the latest work also is finding that
hemp extra industrial hemp extract also is effective in producing
a reduction of about eighty five percent in methane emissions.
So you know, there's a lot of work going on
also in how you measure this. So I think the MLA,
(21:23):
which our meat and livestock Australia, have committed to net
zero emissions by twenty thirty, so that's there on board
and I think as long as that continues, the government
is staying out of putting any sort of tax at
all on our emissions, which would of course be very
very difficult for our industry to absorb because you know,
(21:44):
the cattle are the biggest emitters along with nitrogenous fertilized Hey.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What commentary do you have on my theory. It's not
a theory, and I'm sticking by this. When it comes
to sheep and beef producers in this country in particular,
I put it to you that most of them are
carbon neutral or positive. How when it comes to all
the woody vegetation, vegetation full stop. You can bring soil
into the conversation if you want as well. So they're
(22:08):
already doing their bit to save the planet.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
I think agriculture generally does its bit, you know, when
you look at the millions of acres that are locked
up into green photosynthetic production, which is all really a
carbon sink. And I guess I think we've jumped onto
things to try and improve the look of what we're doing.
For example, farmers can get paid a lot of money
(22:32):
just for leaving forests and not chopping them down. But
a forest, if you leave it without logging, it is
actually carbon neutral, not a carbon sink, because the tree,
while it absorbs carbon while it's growing, when it falls down,
it releases the carbon again, So unlogged forests and are
not really good as a carbon sink. But nonetheless, you know,
(22:53):
we do all these things so that we look and
so we're meeting the requirements and signing up to COP
twenty six and all these other sort of things that
are happening. I am still of the view that we
need to spend a lot more money on adapting to
what I see as inevitable changes in temperature, rather than
trying to almost quixotically, trying to change the environment to
suit us. And I've been giving some talks about that later,
(23:15):
because evolution is all about survival of the fittest, which
means we adapt to the environment, not we don't adapt
the environment. Back to us again, Hey, you're out of date.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You're out of date with your cops. We're up to
twenty nine. Look, I just want to finish on rugby.
The Wallabies are going great guns under a very good
key we coach Jo Schmidt. You're looking at it for
a Grand Slam. You are two out of four. I
think you've got Scotland and Ireland to go. But the
interesting part of this conversation is you haven't had a
Grand Slam since nineteen eighty four. Nick far Jones, you
(23:46):
know the Eller brothers, some great rugby players in that side,
but the coach was Alan Jones. Gee, there's a man
in the news.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
There is a man in the news, and everybody is
watching with interest to what happen. And there twenty six charges.
I think I'm still in the record as being the
only person who's ever successfully talked over the top of
him during a radio interview back in two thousand and three. Jamie,
but you know he's certainly a man in the news.
But we, yes, we are daring to dream about this
(24:16):
Grand Slam. We beat Walt Wales fifty two twenty on Saturday,
which is a terrific result.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Really, no, everyone beat Swales.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
Well, nonetheless, that's number two down. We've got Scotland. I
think Ireland's the one everyone thinking will be our final test,
and it will be. But if we take that out,
Joe Schmidt's going to go down as a miracle worker
without any doubt, and certainly with Alan Jones now having
some shadow cast over his period, I think Joe it
(24:46):
would be nice to see the Wallabies would be pleased
to be able to say someone other than Alan Jones
was a successful coach.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Good on your Chris Russell. Enjoy the rest of your
trip as a part of the Silver Tsunami. We'll catch
you back next week. It is twenty three from one.
It's getting organized here trying to find someone on Hawk's Bay.
We will before the end of the hour. Here's someone
(25:13):
talking about Denmark introducing an emissions tax. Don't take much
notice of Scandinavia, writes Jen Finland is giving out id
in tablets. They're expecting nuclear war where were Putin is
making some threats. And we've just found that the Rabobank
Lady aka Pollyanna Sarajeva is being entertained by Nelson Hancocks.
(25:34):
Whatever that means. Nelson is entertaining the Rabobank Lady in
the middle of moa flat which is way up on
top of a hill in West Otago. No sole reception
there will get her on the show tomorrow up after
the break. The latest and rural news and sports news
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Speaker 6 (26:22):
The shortlist has been announced for the Xander McDonald Awards.
The New Zealand shortlist is Hamish Best, Meghan Bloom, Sarah Howe,
Ben Peruer, Claire Williamson and the Australian shortlist as Will Creek,
Matt Kelly, Jack O'Connor, Katee Power and Felicity Taylor. The
teen shortlisted will take part in interviews and next month.
Three will then be chosen to attend the Xander McDonald
(26:43):
Impact Summit on the Gold Coast in March twenty twenty five,
where one winner from New Zealand and one from Australia
will be announced. And I think we recognize a couple
of names out of there.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Claire and Ben. We've interviewed before on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Claire Williamson here does great job with the podcast Blackheels
and Track the Wheels. And Ben Perua has a great story,
a great story of redemption. He got put in the
slammer for manslaughter and he's come out the other side
of it. He's a very inspirational young man. I was
lucky enough to meet him at field Days. Okay, that's
(27:18):
Royal news, good stuff. His sport sport with.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
An half go Kiwi to the bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Our golf for Josh Gary is too underpath through seven
holes in the opening round of the Australian PGA Championship
at Royal Queensland, currently in a ten way tie for thirteenth.
I think he learned his trade at the Wei nine
hole at Enotomoti in Tolano. Five other New Zealanders tee
off this afternoon and seven's great DJ Forbes and I'm
(27:48):
really pleased about this other guy long passing All Blacks
halfback Chris slade Law are celebrated, are celebrating being inducted
into World World Rugbies Hall of Foam. Now you won't
remember Chris Laidlaw.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
No, I don't think I do. Well're you trying to
say I'm young, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well, you're younger than I am. But he was a
Rhodes scholar along with David Kirk something about all black halfbacks,
but he kind of was. He wasn't the originator of
the spiral pass, but he was certainly the best exponent
of it and could allegedly allegedly pass the ball half
the width of a rugby paddock. It's a spiral pass.
(28:27):
So very intellectual man, very intellectual man. Okay. Up next,
Joe Luxton's been traveling around the country in her capacity
as a Labour's Egg spokesperson and we found a hawks
By sheep and sheep and beef farmer. I think he's
still that. He certainly got good credentials. Former chair of
(28:48):
Beef and Lamb New Zealand, former Special Agricultural Trade Envoy
Mike Peterson to talk to talk to us about the
Dry and Hawk's Bay. What always enjoy catching up with
Labour's egg A spokesperson Joe Luxton, even though we might
not agree on everything. Joe, You've been tracing around the
(29:08):
country visiting some high profile farmers Nadia lim and Carlos Bagri,
Kate and Dave Ackland, Jody Drysdale. But does Blair Drysdale
actually fit in that lot celebrity high profile? I don't
think so. He's just a lion brown drinking Belfa farmer.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
I'm good to Jamie, you know, I've been out and about.
I'm visiting with all those different people and they're all
enjoying different things on farm, which is really interesting. He's
invaluable for me to get and meet them and see
what they're doing and learn about what they do and
what their visions and things are. But yeah, Blair and
Jody are pretty pretty cool couple actually in there. He's
(29:51):
a bit of a laugh all right?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Are they chewing your ear? Especially in his case? Of course,
we use them occasionally on this show if we get
desperate for an arable farmer. He's never ba and coming
forward with his opinions, and it would be fair to say
I wouldn't think he would be a center left voter.
I mean, what sort of feedback are you getting around
the country when you meet farmers.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. I mean, there's never backward
than coming forwards. But he's actually a really he's actually
a really great listener, and he's open and yous. He'll
he'll tell you how he feels. But I think he
said to me, I'm the first laboring Peter ever go
down there and visit, and you know, I think that
you have the best conversations where you put yourself in
(30:33):
faces that aren't you know, where you may naturally you know,
a line or fate. And we had a really great visit,
the wonderful host and you had a lot of laughs
as well, so it was really good. And you know,
we had a little photo and the true lips there.
It was that great check.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, and you've also been visiting Mike Casey the electric
When I say the electric cherry grower, he's the all
electric cherry grower and Cromwell there he does a good
job he's a bit like Nadia Lem and Carlos Bagri.
He's showcasing New Zealand agriculture and farming and a very
positive light.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Absolutely, it was a fascinating visit actually, and I even
had a drive with the tractory trusted me and asked
her have we drive? But surprisingly easy. But yeah, he's
a very very clever man with lots of really great
ideas and we did enjoy our but there and again
in Nadi and Kalas. They're an amazing, amazing uncouple with him,
(31:31):
and the farm is absolutely gorgeous, gorgeous place and they're
doing some really great stuff there and they were also
wonderful hosts and we had some really great conversations with
film as well. It's been really really ruthful, really valuable
getting out and having sitting down to these sorts of people.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Were you marching in the hecoy on Tuesday? Was it Tuesdays?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It was?
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Oh, yeah, I wasn't marching in the he quy, but
I was out on the fore court when the hecuy arrived.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, I'll ask you about the behavior of Tapati Marii
inside the house. I'll leave the he coy alone. People
have a right to protest or leave it at that.
I don't necessarily agree about protesting about something that's not
going to happen. But what about the behavior in the house,
the dress standards in the House.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, just before I will answer that question, But
I do actually want to talk a little bit about
the he coy. I want to talk about the fact
that it was really well organized, it was peaceful in
everything else, And you just mentioned people protesting about something
that's not actually going to happen. I think that's kind
of beside the point, Jamie. I think the fact that
this has been introduced and has been allowed to go
(32:37):
to select committee stage is at that point there's going
to there's going to be a lot of hurt during
that process, is going to be a lot of awful,
awful submissions, and I think it's terribly unfair and it's
just not right that people are being put through that
when it is we've been told a bill that is
not going to go any any further beyond there, and
(32:59):
I just don't think that's right. I think the Prime
Minister has shown us no leadership here and could have
stopped this from happening, and all the hurt. That is
going to cone.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, Well, the treaty principles, well is divisive. I'm not
going to argue on that one. The behavior of Tapati
Mari in the house is more divisive if you ask me.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Yeah, I'll disagree with you on that one as well too.
I think Jamie, and it was other members' imparliament as well,
who are really there is a lot of strong feeling
about this. This is just another thing that people are
feeling really strongly about as far as the different policies
and the direction that this current government is taking us
(33:41):
in as far as issues for Mari. People react when
they feel very strongly about something, and it's not really
for me to judge. I understand that there's been some
correspondence with the Speaker about the behavior and he will
act on let as he sees best.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
All right, we'll leave it at that. Will agree to
disagree on that one. But Joe Luxton always appreciate your time,
and good on you. Good on you by the way
for getting around the country, going to the coal face
and talking to real farmers. Plus Blair.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Yeah, thanks Danny, good on.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You, see you later. Thank you, Joe. We're going to
take a break, Mike Petterson to wrap it from a
very very dry hawks Bay by young Okay, wrapping the
country at late notices come off the bench to save us,
(34:39):
save us, save our program today Mike Peterson, I think
I can still call him Central hawks By Sheep and
Beef Farmer former of course, Chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand Special Agricultural Trade Envoy. He's worn many hats
in New Zealand agriculture. Mike put this dry spell in
hawks Bay that you're currently suffering into some sort of
historic person effective for me.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Thanks Jamie. Yes, look, it's the good of getting driver. Look,
it's not unusual for us to get dry and hawks
Pay at this time of year, and often by the
time Hawkspace Show comes around on lag weekend, we can
be starting to burn off quite quickly. But many farmers
are saying, now, look, this is the dry spring we've
had and potentially thirty to forty years, and one of
the big concerns is there's a lot of stock leaving
(35:24):
the district.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
There's a really early kill coming out of the region,
which is I guess good for processes, but there's a
lot of other stock that's leaving the region, and feed
crops are really struggling alongside cash crops as well. Some
of the amazing sweet cool crops are looking very dry,
but feed crops on farms are really really struggling.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now I've got a good idea. Has anyone in Central
hawks By thought about building a dam?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Ah? Have I got onto you, Danny. As lucky as
luck would have it, I've been leading the efforts for
the Tooki Tioky Water Security project. This is a water
storage at the Maca site of where the old failed
U Tannefer dam project was proposed. Completely different project, but
but you know, this is a perfect year for us
(36:09):
to be looking for backing for that project. Now we're
on schedule too of the fast tracked legislation. And you know,
say what you like.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
About the fast tracked legislation. Some people don't like him.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I fully respect that. But you know, this is the
opportunity for this region book Spay to get ahead and
to actually demonstrate they can look after the water properly.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Can you get this one past the goalie? Because the
stumbling block with Ruatanifa was eventually the environment or the environmentalists.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, no, the sumthing block for the old Ratanafa was
actually the process by which the Director General was going
to make the dock land available for the Damn for
the in the damn footprint it was. It was a
process decision. It was about the merits.
Speaker 8 (36:50):
It wasn't about the merits.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Of what was proposed. So the fast track legislation we
think will address that. And so that's the last remaining
box we need to.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Pick, apart from redoing.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
The commercial business case and making sure that we can
deliver water to the right places, at the right time
and at the right price.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I reckon if you can get this one past the
goal either could be in future years in the main
street of why pook Rao a statue of Shane Jones,
the Minister of digging it up and damming it up.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah. Look, Minister James has been particularly helpful here. But
you know, more importantly, this is going to transform the
entire region. We're looking at increasing minimum flows, we're looking
at jobs, economic growth, we're looking at communities getting water
that are desperately in need of it. So this has
wide ranging benefits. So look, any statue would be great
(37:41):
and happy to look at for you too, Jamie. To
come up with the ovening.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He just look out if you're in Central Hawks pay
just in case. I don't know you're a dim witted
frog or a skink or a lizard. Things mightn't be
looking that good for you, but it will be good
if they can get that dam up and running. That's
us done and dusted today. We'll catch you back to
my alright, so.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It again catch all the latest from the land. It's
the Country Podcast with Jamie mckue. Thanks to Brent, your
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