July 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Dr Jacqueline Rowarth, Ben Picton, Mark Cuttance, Chris Russell, and Ian Kirkpatrick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Me and it's the mackay ship is in Port today anchored,
but it's not Jamie Heimers. Mackay in for Jamie today
and tomorrow. Great to have your company. Thursday, the tenth
of July. I don't know how that happened. I hope
it's not persisting down too much where you are. Some
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pretty heavy rain forecast over the next few days, so
we'll be keeping a bit.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Of and I on that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Coming up on The Country Today, Dr Jaqueline Roweth, and
we'll be talking about an insightful look into providing a
platform for the next generation of our farmers, about people
of the land. Exciting time of the head ahead, it is,
but we've certainly got things like the Environmental Protection Agency
and dealing with pests and all sorts of things that
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need to be sorted out. So great chat coming up
with Doctor Jacqueline Rowath. Our Ossie corresponded on the show today.
Chris Russell a few new words into the Oxford Dictionary.
Not the Australian Oxford Dictionary. This is the fair dink
and British Oxford Dictionary. Chris of course, So one of
those words is spewing and he's still spewing about what
happened to his new South Wales blues last night, taking
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apart in state of origin. Mark Cuttens from PGG Wrights
and and of course he's the main man of the
dairy beef in the South Island of the dairy world
down there, and the insight into what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Ben Pickens from.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Ravo bank O cr We'll have a look at what
happened both sides of the Tasman with that. As everything
grinds to a bit of a halt, we'll be talking
rugby ahead of the Test. I know he's swaning down
and Wellington for a couple of days as he always
tends to do. The great Ian Kirkpatrick Kirky will join
us on the show this hour to have a look
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at this Test match ahead of the French Test against
the Second French Test, and of course a couple of
changes which we'll have a look at with the all
Black team as well. A bit of a shout out
too to the boys from ninety boys and girls from
nineteen eighty five Massi University.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Forty years ago they started their bag degree.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And they're having a bit of a get together, a
bit of a reunion now one year. Wonder mackay.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I was a bit late on the invitation list. I
couldn't make it, but I tell you what, They're going
to have some fun at Greg Hart's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Over there.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
On the Hawks Bay this weekend. So all the best
of them plenty coming up. It is ten minutes after midday.
Jacqueline Robert is next the country, right on with the
country on your Thursday lunchtime, right across the country. Hatmis
mackay in for a namesake, Jamie. Great to have your
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company and always great to be joined by this fantastic
advocate for all things agriculture, the primary industry industry doctor
Jacqueline Robs.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Jacquelin, how are you?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I'm fabulous in the wonderful Wye Cato in the.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Wonderful Why catter? What more could you want from life?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Hein so lovely to catch up, hey, loo' Let's let's
deal with the sort of We're going to get onto
some fantastic chat about what's going on with young blood
coming through in farming shortly. But first of all, look
this issue of our restrictions around pasture pest country. I mean,
I tell you what, we're dragging the chain, aren't we,
(04:02):
And you know we're hearing for not a particularly good
space if we don't do something about it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
You are absolutely right Hamish and Bayer pulling out of
New Zealand while starting with hate things but saying they're
not going to do any more research is just dire news.
But it's not just Bayer that is the thin end
of the wedge. It's other agrichemical companies saying we can't
do it. It takes too long, it costs too much,
and the whole it's not just pastor it's also all
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of our orchards are vegetables. It's animal welfare as well.
All of this is linked and actually, Hamish, it is
linked to the next generation because it comes down to
can we have a vibrant business and for farmers and growers,
it's pretty frustrating to know that research overseas has shown
there's a new chemical that is more targeted potentially less
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expensive and that has impacts on food costs, and they're
not allowed to use it because it's got hooked up
in the regular by system.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I look at the.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Environmental Protection Authority and think they're struggling under the legislation.
There are good people there trying to do their best,
but it's not happening quickly enough. So how can we help?
How can the government understand that they need to be
able to be allowed to take a more sensible approach.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, who does the backstop with?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Who needs to get involved here with the EPI and
make these changes in particular miniatures.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It's the ministers and the Ministry for primary industries. And
there are people around who think, oh, well, we could
just be organic, but they are wrong in terms of
thinking that organics does not use chemicals. They absolutely do.
It's just that they're not as targeted and that's actually
a bad thing. But we want a new targeted particularly
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the new biological ways of controlling pests and diseases, and
they're not coming into the country because of the cost
of the regulation. And if they've been proven overseas, what
is the issue here? Once we've checked with our peculiar
wins our native species. Then let's get on with it
and create a vibrant business that the young ones want
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to come into.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Absolutely, I mean compared for instance, to the investment that
Australia is making per capita or you know, I mean,
it's just it's appalling.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It is absolutely appalling. And then go back to America
or EU where these big companies are based it. So
there is a huge amount of investment dollars time all
of those sorts of things making sure that these chemicals
are safe, or these new bi logicals that attack the
pest and diseases that they are safe. And yet New
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Zealand has a system that is taking the precautionary principle
a little bit far. Precautionary principle was proceed with care,
not stop doing stuff. And we're on the wrong side
of the proceed with care if it's taking. Some companies
have got examples to five years to gets through the
regulatory process.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Too long, Too long, right, Let's talk about things wonderfully
positive and of course we have a wonderful Young Farmer
of the Year and the Dairy Industry Awards and identifying
all these great young people coming through. But as you say,
we want to have a platform, a template to operate from.
But we have got some We have got some magical
young people coming through, haven't we Yes, they're.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Lovely and they always have been, these young, enthusiastic, go
ahead people that want to make a good or a
good contribution to the primary sector through food production and
that's where most of them are driven. It's the safe
food quality that we produce and they want to do
it with least impact on the environment. And they want
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to be able to support their families as well. Hence
the vibrant business issue, and they would like to be able.
We know all this generation and they're on their websites
and looking up the new information. They want to be
able to use the new technologies on their productive systems.
We've got the Young Horticulturalist of the Year going on
at the moment to the regionals. These young people, they
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we need to be able to put the incentives ahead
of them and some of that is being the game changer.
So let's go back to the Young Farmer of the Year.
There is now a it's been there actually quite a while.
Agmark started this and I was on the board of
the privilege of being on the board during the later
two thousands and you know, seven of thirteen and we
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had the Innovation Product project. So what innovation can you
bring on to the farm or change can you make
to the farm system that's sort of given a farm
or allowed to choose amongst them, to enable the farm
system to be more innovative, to bring in another income stream,
because gosh, these days they have to buy out their siblings.
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In the olden days when I was young, the oldest
son inherited everything and then they looked after the girls
or the other brothers in different ways or not at all,
and there are family disputes. Now you split up the
inheritance and so the person that takes on the farm
or the two that take on the farm have to
buy out the other siblings. That's where the debt comes from.
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And how do you get the extra innovation stream, the
income stream to be able to pay out the others.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Challenges are plenty, but then again, I sort of I
do feel like the incentives and the motivation and the
future is incredibly bright if we get it right across
the board.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, and that's what we need to be well. Many
of us are working with the government to try and
ensure that the settings are right so that New Zealand
continues to have a vibrant primary sector which we all
know is underpending the economy. Whatever people used to say
about sunsets, we're still there and we're still trying to
do our best, and the next generation is coming through
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with stars of them.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I love these and you'll know all the names across
the various industry awards and the young farmer of these
people who are making a difference with what.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I love is they particularly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's a bit of a fine line between promoting oneself,
I think, and as opposed to promoting the being an
advocate for the industry, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But there are some cheeses and superlative examples.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There are, and I'm looking forward to their next steps
when they come through, as it were federated farmers in
twenty years two decades say on some sorts of boards,
when they get a bit of experience in managing people
and land under their belt, and then they come through
and say I can help our industry through a different
way to our companies do even better. And it's the
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goal always to do better that really entuses me. They're
terrific bunch of young people.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I've got to say before you go, Jacqueline, the nineteen
eighty five mess University bag first year class are having
a reunion this week at renowned Hawk's Bay regenative farmer
Greg Hart's property in the Hawk's Bay. Now, I was
actually a first year member of this squad. I can't
make it this weekend, but I still feels like yesterday,
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and yet it's forty years on, so you know, I
still feel like these guys have got these guys and
God's got a hell of a lot to offer the industry.
But it's great that these young people are coming through
and it's just fabulous. And you know what the thing
is that back then, forty years ago and the ones
who are still involved today and most of them went
into farming situations and they've all done amazing things. So
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goodness knows what the picture can look like in forty years.
It could be fabulous, am.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I not said? But I'll look forward to the next twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, exactly, I'm with you. I'd be happy to I'd
happy to check out the next twenty. Jack One, thank
you so much, much appreciated. There we go, There we go,
great friend of the show and Expert and just so
so many things. Dr Jack will n roll with here
joining us on the country. Isn't she magnificent, Doctor Jacqueline Roth.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Great to have her on the country on your.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Thursday, heteless McKay and for Jamie McKay being picked in
Rubber Research Expert and the o CR.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
But a chat about that next to.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Me begin.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Win my course.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
So well, I still see you.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
The time is movie is so so.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I don't know what else that I can so.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I cab the country will being picked in as senior
macro strategists for the Rubber Research Global Economics and Markets
team over there in Sydney.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Of course, keep an eye both sides of the Tasman
can I? Ben?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
How are you today?
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Mishon?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Very well, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Excellent to have you here right? Oh okay, So the
week of the OCR results both sides of the ditch.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah? Really interesting one, I think for New Zealand it
was sort of steady as she goes and very much
as expected. The rbn Z decided to keep the OCR
unchanged at three point twenty five percent. Most economists were
expecting that if we looked at the futures market the
day before. An unchanged result was very much priced into
the market, so no surprises there. Different story in Australia,
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the futures market was fully priced for a cut and
almost every economist, including yours truly was expecting a cut
from the RBA, but they didn't deliver it. They decided
to hold rates unchanged at three point eighty five percent.
In Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, look, it's interesting. I mean, I think, as
you say, in New Zealand, it was reasonably well projected
what would happen. But I suppose still a bit of
a still a bit of a shock for some though,
because it's been moving south steadily.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah, that's fair to say, I think. So this is
the first time in the cycle that they've paused. They
did indicate that they still think that they're going to
cut interest rates in the future, so an economist would
say that they've got an easing bias. They're expecting to
ease monetary policy further in the future, so they were
pretty explicit about that in the press release. But yep,
(14:24):
it maybe does come as a little bit of a
jolt to households who become a customer seeing the rate
to go down with every meeting.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So what are we going to be looking at.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
What are they going to look at in terms of
if we're thinking that it's still got a downward movement,
what is the data that's going to make what's going
to be influential for that next announcement come August.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah, so the major data releases are going to be
the quarterly CPI figures, that's the inflation numbers, so they
come out towards the end of the month, and also
the labor market figures telling us what's going on with
the unemployment rate and hiring in New Zealand. So those
are kind of the two main things that get looked at.
Of course, there's also a lot going on in the
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international context, and we're seeing tariff letters going out to
the various countries from the United States at the moment.
That's a bit of a moveable feast. There's a lot
of uncertainty there, so the RBNZ will certainly be watching
what's going on there because that will have an impact
on the domestic economy as well.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Absolutely, well, I'm in that tariff situation. Trump of course,
all sorts of new announcements. As you say, letters in
the box, you better open it up. The Aussies look
like they might be winners in this at the moment,
don't they.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Yeah, I won't be counting my chickens before they hatch
on this one. Because we did have Brazil overnight they
got sent a letter saying that they're facing a fifty
percent tariff, and back on April second, they were told
ten percent, which is the same as what Australia and
New Zealand were offered or told. And I think it's
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fair to say that Australia has maybe annoyed the United
States a little bit recently. We've we've sort of politely
declined to increase our defense spending to the degree that
they would like to see. We've we've we've placed sanctions
on some Israeli politicians in defiance of US wishes. And
we've also got some non tariff barriers on US tech
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companies that has upset the United States in other countries
when they've done similar things. So's there's a couple of
little things there that make me a little bit nervous
for Australia. But as far as we know, ten percent
is probably going to be.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
The number talking with being picked them from RABO research.
Is this the I mean, how often is it a
moving feast like we're seeing at the moment in terms
of everything that will will affect the o CR, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, So I guess the path of the o CR.
The arbans that has provided a projection where they're expecting
it to land somewhere in the in the high twos,
between between three percent and two and three quarters percent,
sort of in the in the first and second quarter
of next year. Is the projection that they've offered. Our
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expectation is that they actually stopped cutting at three percent,
so we think one more rate cut. We think that
arrives in August, and then we think they're probably on
hold after that. But because there is a huge, huge
amount of uncertainty internationally, if international growth slows down a lot,
and it may do because of these tariff impacts, then
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that would be an argument for further rate cuts.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Greats up, Ben, much appreciated as always, Thank.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
You, Thanks amis Hi, nice to meet.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You you Ny Google does get up a fussy.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Life forever.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This is the country.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Harbers McKay in for Jamie McKay Coming up later this
hour the Great Onney in.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Kirkpatrick, Kirk.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He had a Wellington ahead of the All Blacks against France.
But next up the the top dog for the deer
industry for PGG writing down there in the South Island
Mark Cutting. So we'll have a look at that deary
beef wheel that's next here on the country.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
She too, my head, send this sip true.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Nobody knows how we someone to me living this luck,
me trying to get away from me. Oh me stills
no singing.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Right here on the country.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We're heading to the deep south, the Mighty Gore and
Mark Cuttings. Of course, PGG Livestock South Island Deery manager,
get a mike.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
You doing here?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Good? Thanks? Ripping day down there is it.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
It's one of the bitter days we've had. It's been.
It's been living in a Princeville the last tea days.
Today is quite promising.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A good stuff, good stuff ridio feeder calf outlook the
one hundred kg carf prospects.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Take us through that.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Yeah, okay, okay. I've had a lot of inquiry about
feeder carves, about the supply and the priceless season where
they're coming from. I mean, if you look at beaf
numbers out there, they're sort of falling around the place,
and they're getting quite expensive, and people seeing the dairy
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beef market as an entry level for themselves and looking
at rearing a few calves. So there's been certainly been
an increase in inquiry for those and you know, I
expect that the early calf market to be really quite
sought after and securing those cards for the rears, and
and I've seen a little bit of a lifting the
price there for them good stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, dairy beef, what dairy beef in the overall place
in the beef markets.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Yeah, So if you look at dairy beef, if you
look at you know, the beet kill stats throughout throughout
the country, with kill about just short of a millon
prime stairs and heifers in New Zealand a year, and
that number has sort of been decreasing a little bit.
And that is made up of fifty per cent beef
kill and fifty percent dairy beef kettle. And I see
the shortfall being made up by dairy beef going forward
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over the next decade, and I see that percentage going
more in favor of the dairy beef out there, so
you know, it's a big part of New Zealand's kill
out there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Pamish, Yeah too, right, okay, So and what about now
cold cow zone, what's happening there?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
So a lot of cold cows out there, mate in
demand at the moment from all processes. You'll see the
price of them lifting around the country. I was looking
at the Tamuka sale last week and I see you're
bettering cows your four hundred and eighty kilogram and better
freezing freezing type cross type cows making up to three
dollars fifty aka live weight out there, which is sort
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of you know where good value for these kales when
you take out the numbers, you know, and the processes
are doing a lot of spot pricing out there. I mean,
if you've got a volume of coldcales to so you
really need to ask a question on the price and
you could be surprised and what you're what you achieved there.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Okay, a couple of bullet points before we wrap it up.
Dry livestock sales. What's the outlook there?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
The dairy is the place to be at the moment.
It's sort of keeping the lights on in the country.
You know, I have a lot of talk about dairy,
a lot of inquiries about kels. I'm going forward with
potential conversions throughout the central part of the South Island.
This year. I see a real lift in dairy kel prices,
you know for the Currencyason.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Man, Yeah, like and the overall diary outlook coming in
the milk, solar price everything.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Hell, we're looking.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean Frontier have come out with
an in bed this year of ten dollars. You know.
The only thing, the only cav it in there is
is calling range in there from eight dollars to eleven
dollars sort of thing, you know, depending on what happens
out there. Ruled events and it comes off, you know
this previous season which is gonna rap up around at
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the king dollar mark, which is a record, I think
the previous six great guns.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And as there we go, marke Cutten's PGG Livestock South
Island dery manager cheers Mark had a great day.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Did you have?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Oh busy the cold cow?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Who would have thought this is the country?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Mark will have sports Cavin up shortening Michelle with rural
news and then all here from our Ossie, corresponded Chris Russell.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Just follow.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Next the country's rural news with Lawnmaster helping you muster
your lawns for over seventy five years.
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Be visit Steels dot co dot Nz for your local star.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Gust and Hamish mentioned this at the top of the
hour about more severe weather on the way and in
the news. More severe weather is on the way for
the top of the South Island and the Upper and
central North Island. Met Service has issued a new orange
rain warning for tomorrow for much of Nelson, Tasman and Marlborough,
which of course is already pretty fairly saturated. It says flooding,
(23:23):
slips and road closures are likely and people should prepare
for communication and power outages and possible evacuations. Orange rain
warnings have also been issued for tomorrow for Northland, Auckland,
Great Barrier Island, the Coromandel Peninsula, Wykattor Mount Taranaki, and
watchers have been issued for Bay of Plenty of Rotorua,
Wykattor Taramanoi and topor Now. Federated Farmers have put a
(23:44):
message out saying that people can donate to the Adverse
Events Trust. How flood affected farmers and that Tasman Nelson region.
You can find more information on their website or their
Facebook page about that. And we'll catch up with Chris
Brandolino from Neewer tomorrow and find out what their without,
what's going to be like if that, whether are set
to stop or continue? Right, We've got Mark with Sports News.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Sports with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot nzed.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
Yes, thank you, Michelle. All Blacks coach Scott Robinson has
made three positional changes to his starting side for Saturday's
second Test against France life here on gold Sport. The
forwards are the grouts Taylor Newell, Patty Tupelo, to Holland
v Savia and Leo willie Is at eight. The backs
Camregard Body, Barrett Caleb Clark, Jordi, Barrett Proctor, Yuanni and
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Will Jordan at fullback. The reserves summersony Takeyaho, Norris Pasilio, Tossi, Finale,
Carife Cortes, Ratima Tamatava Nahwae was set to make his
debut for the All Blacks and Damien mckimsey.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Your thoughts on that, heyment, Yeah, I think it's a
pretty sensible selection.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I like the fact that Razor Robinson hasn't taken the
ray to this and pretty much you know Clark's there
for sever roofs because of concussion, and well Jordan will
be hoping he gets to have the full eighty back
at Fullbackavnawa. I think that's tick a box because I
think we saw from Quintite to Bayer enough to know
that that's how that's our midfield cover. So let's have
a look at the next guy in and he becomes
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a new All Black, which is great to see. Patty too,
Plodo makes sense there for Scott Barrett. So overall I
think I think it's a good selection and I just look,
you know, I don't I don't expect them to grind
through the gears too quickly, but I think that you
know that this team will will take it up a notch.
But the with a touring party of eighty people that
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the French art here for giggles, are they, so it'll
be another tough test.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Absolutely, I'd love to see our base Steamers wing at
a mooning that hour in the twenty three, but I
am very biased with that one. And finally pay Ours
Saint Jermn PSG. They've thumped Real Madrid four nell to
reach the final of Football's Club World Cup. They will
meet Chelsea, I believe on Tuesday morning.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Hamish Well, looking forward to that. PSG.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, they've really sort of worked their way. I remember
twenty five years ago when I was lucky enough to
use to tour with the All Blacks on a regular basis,
and that was always the shop on the Shomps and
he said that I had to go to the PSG
shop but they weren't quite the force or no. And
then but of course now that rusty old T shirt
that I'm sure I'm got there I should, I can
pull it out and genuinely rocket.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
There you go, money, money, money, That's what happens when
you gets into a football club. They start winning.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Exactly. Radio shoming up on the country.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We go across the ditch, it will be our Aussie
corresponded Chris Russell is next.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All night, no breaks. I'll tell no gain, ain't got
to try too hard. My baby's pushed to start.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Wheel it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I can't remember everything we said we said it.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It seld me that you whissle.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're listening to the country hatless McKay in for Jamie
McKay on your Thursday and we go across the Tasman.
We'll touch on it very briefly, the big state of
Origin decider. I don't know why I wanted to turn
myself into sounding like they're always like there, but yeah,
it was queens On all the way Chris Russell unfortunately
for a few and down Sydney Way.
Speaker 12 (27:26):
Yes, unfortunately it was Hamish. I hate to admit it,
but they were definitely the better side. I mean, I
think the experts say there was only two mistakes made
by Queensland in the entire game. It was extraordinary display
of discipline and eight defense. You know, their forwards were everywhere,
so I can't complain. The better side definitely won the game.
(27:48):
And it was also a great trimunant tribute to Cameron Munster,
who have played despite losing his dad a few days earlier,
and I think the same team really played their heart
out for him as well.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Homish, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
They losing your dad and his dad was only fifty
seven years old. There's nothing fear right or anything about that,
is there.
Speaker 12 (28:06):
I mean, just heartbreakingly absolutely, And you know Billy Slater,
the coach of Queensland, lost his dad in January similar
way a little though he was a bit older, so
I think there was a great affinity between them, and
to be honest, I think the whole of Australia was
sort of holding his hand a bit in that game
and it came through the team really played well, we
(28:29):
got flogged and we need to move on.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yep, right, Okay, let's get it. A few laws, regulations
and things. The EU deforestration laws are under fire. Although
Australia classified as low risk. What do these laws mean?
Speaker 12 (28:43):
So in the EU they're bringing out these laws that
say that they're going they want to look at the
geographical history, if you like, of any of the beef
and other products too. But here I'm thinking particularly of
beef that's imported into the EU and anything that comes
from land that was deg forested after twenty twenty is
(29:04):
going to be not allowed into the country. Now, Australia
has been classified as low risk because we're pretty strict
about that already. If anything, we're in our adding extra
forests now through some of our carbon credit schemes and
so forth. But nonetheless, the rest of the world I
think is saying that this is not going to be sustainable.
It's going to be hard to actually work out what
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countries qualify what don't. So I don't think they're actually
going to happen Hamish to be honest, in their current form,
I think we'll see them.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Delayed yep, okay, speaking of delays or wipe out.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The cattle industry is ditching thenit zero twenty thirteen, deadline
twenty thirty year.
Speaker 12 (29:42):
We mean something's been in place for some time. But
I think reality is struck that in the Faired Income Department,
we ain't just going to get there.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
There's no possibility.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
And in fact, if you look at the twenty eight
percent reduction in emissions that the government proclaims, only two
percent of that is actually reduction missions. The rest of
it is offset, So you know, we're really not making
great progress. And really in the feed Income Department again,
one point four percent of the world's emissions come from
Australia and fourteen percent of that from agriculture. It really
(30:15):
was a little bit of a quick side adventure in
the first place.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I think Amish, Yeah, absolutely, ok. You Ozzie's a bird
flu free.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
Well, this is a good piece of news, I suppose,
and surprising considering the migratory words birds that fly over
the top of Australia, and how close we are to Antarctical,
which has been devastated by bird flu down there. But
we just got rid of the last trace of not
the H five in one, thank goodness, but some of
the other forms of bird flu out of Victoria, and
(30:43):
we've been declared bird food flea of flu free, which
certainly gives us an advantage in trade amish and I think, well,
let's see if we can keep that status as long
as we can.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, it's a good banner to fly, that is for sure, right,
plastic fruit stickers, this ban, the ban on these has
been put on hold because there isn't an alternative.
Speaker 12 (31:04):
Well I know, and to be honest, there isn't there any.
South Australia again, in their fairly puristic approach to these things,
decided to bring in a vand but they've had to
put on hold because without those, particularly the supermarkets, the
ability of scanning and putting through food orders and so on,
is reduced. But there ain't no alternative that's viable, that's
actually affordable. So I think we a bit like cage
(31:29):
removal of cage layers from the egg market. If we're
going to be we've got a walk before we run
with this, and certainly it can't be a self defeeding
if it's going to be brought in too quickly, and
that certainly looks like it going to be the case.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Here Now, I want to talk to you about the
Oxford Dictionary, the twenty twenty five Australian edition. Well, it's
the you know, we've got some new words going in there,
like spewing and slab and you know words that have
been around for a while.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
Well there's go was the Australian addition. Hamish, I'd probably say, yeah,
well I understand, But this is the pommy, this is
the edition they're going to put words like Khan as
in Karn Australia or Khan the Blues that's now fearing
is a word, and spewing, well everyone over here knows
you know I'm spewing about that means I'm pretty annoyed,
(32:18):
pretty upset about it. Nobody in England had any idea,
would never you never used that in up across Toff,
those schools in England where they teach English properly, and
even slab has now been put in the dictionary over there,
because again the poems have no idea what a slab
of beer is. A pint maybe they understand, or they
do understand, but a slab of beer not.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You needed a slab of beer to put the pain
to beard after last night's result, you can the Blues fans.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So yeah, well there you go in the Pawmye edition.
That's outstanding. Yeah what it is.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
And you know, we have our own dictionary here. But
we're a bit like you know, I always say the
English invented English, so I don't take any notice of
how the English the American and spell their words or
say them, because they're completely off the planet. Well we
can be not much better sometimes, but interestingly the Oxford
Dictionary seems to think we are being masters of the
English language, and at least in three words anyway.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Outstanding. Chris Russell, Australian correspondent, Thank you very much, as
always much appreciated.
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I'm a best say this, thanks for talking to me.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Thank you, showry out next time the country we'll head
to the capital.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Tier up.
Speaker 13 (33:28):
But he's finest in Kirkpatrick or more all black Captain
on the show, go on, Well, who better to serenade
this nixt shout out Dagg into the kids type in
nineteen eighty twosh, of course it's the ninety eighty five
Massy University Bag Reunion this weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Get it together at greg Harts and the Hawk's Bay. There,
what a lineup, Unfortunately I can't make it. Slatter and
Jack from up North, Bruce McPherson over from Queensland, Rope
and McCarty.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Watch out five folk of the hawks Bay dag in
the deckheads. What an institution they were. Unfortunately came to Auckland,
no fences to me and no ship to share. Ah
(34:22):
gets me going every time. Memories of the Albert and
Barmeersda north of Gritna and tire happy. Anyway, we've got
a couple of minutes left to chew the fat about
the footy and we'll go to Ian Kirkpatrick swanning down
in the Capitol ahead of the Test match Turkey.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
How are you not too bad?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Not too bad?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Not too bad?
Speaker 8 (34:41):
When Jamie is he playing golf for someone, we're.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Bound to be something sort of lucky, curious and keeping
with his lifestyle, you know, bring the other Mackay off
the bencher. But like Tavannah Way tomorrow Saturday night, he's
coming to the team. Patrick two Palodo for Scott Barrow
and Caleb Clark get to start with Civoo Reese out
quite conservatively.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Isn't they too many changes? Turki?
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Yeah no, Well well well they're pretty good changes to me. Yeah,
so let's wait and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you reckon that we're but hard on them. I mean,
I mean we can put out two decent squads of
twenty odds. And the French, I mean their Top forteen
competition with all those Georgian front rowers and everything, it's
a good competition. It was no surprise they showed they
had a bit of depth, not.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
At all, not at all, you know, even though they
had seventeen uncapped players. I mean their standard of their
top forteen for example, I mean it's pretty up there.
So you know, they've got guys that are coming over
here that haven't they hair caps they wanted, they want
caps there, so they're going to muck around and and
(35:47):
it be not very productive, not at all. I mean
the French, we know the French. I've played against them
and with them a couple of times, and man, there's
something else. If they were if they want to come
out and play, look out, that's just what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, they certainly didn't. Yeah they did it well, yeah, yeah,
of course you'll be.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Course if these days you're you're always sort of wrapped
in like are out on your bike you have been
for the last ten years. I suppose you're watching the
Tour de France and dreaming of what it might have
been here you decided to take up cycling instead of rugby.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Not at all, No, no, I love that stuff. No, no,
we did it for exercise. That's not for financial things.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What those boys do on that Tour de France is
quite quite remarking. Now we've got about a minute to go. Kki,
bit a big shouldn't you get involved in a big
do that our mate Steely Klinak has in the capital,
big fund raiser, big lunch for what about five thousand people?
I hear these days it's growing a bit since I
used to get an invite.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
I wonder why it's going when you failed to tune
up oheesh, I tell you right, But yeah, there's about
a thousand. Yeah, you have the best thousand last year.
Great support. Really they'll Champions lunch and I think it's
the twenty eighth I think one. That's that the Inclinate
is organized over the years, so yeah, yeah, it's always
(37:12):
it's always a good afternoon and a good fun Roses
for Life Light.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah yeah, great cause life Light indeed. Mat Turky, thanks
very much. You get back to enjoying what you're doing
for a couple of days in Wellington as you're warm
up to the Test match. That's our former All Black captain,
a great man of tyr Rafferty up there the Poverty
Bay region of course. Ian Kirkpatrick put more dag in
the Dickheads as we wrap it up and we'll do
(37:36):
it all again tomorrow between twelve and one The Country.
I'm Hamus McKay in for Jamie mckaye catching tomorrow Dag
in the Dickids.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Brands Full Fathom five, Sunday Line Singing Songs and come
(00:44):
from dead Man's Terms anchor.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Me and it's the mackay ship is in Port today anchored,
but it's not Jamie Heimers. Mackay in for Jamie today
and tomorrow. Great to have your company. Thursday, the tenth
of July. I don't know how that happened. I hope
it's not persisting down too much where you are. Some
(01:08):
pretty heavy rain forecast over the next few days, so
we'll be keeping a bit.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Of and I on that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Coming up on The Country Today, Dr Jaqueline Roweth, and
we'll be talking about an insightful look into providing a
platform for the next generation of our farmers, about people
of the land. Exciting time of the head ahead, it is,
but we've certainly got things like the Environmental Protection Agency
and dealing with pests and all sorts of things that
(01:37):
need to be sorted out. So great chat coming up
with Doctor Jacqueline Rowath. Our Ossie corresponded on the show today.
Chris Russell a few new words into the Oxford Dictionary.
Not the Australian Oxford Dictionary. This is the fair dink
and British Oxford Dictionary. Chris of course, So one of
those words is spewing and he's still spewing about what
happened to his new South Wales blues last night, taking
(01:59):
apart in state of origin. Mark Cuttens from PGG Wrights
and and of course he's the main man of the
dairy beef in the South Island of the dairy world
down there, and the insight into what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Ben Pickens from.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Ravo bank O cr We'll have a look at what
happened both sides of the Tasman with that. As everything
grinds to a bit of a halt, we'll be talking
rugby ahead of the Test. I know he's swaning down
and Wellington for a couple of days as he always
tends to do. The great Ian Kirkpatrick Kirky will join
us on the show this hour to have a look
(02:32):
at this Test match ahead of the French Test against
the Second French Test, and of course a couple of
changes which we'll have a look at with the all
Black team as well. A bit of a shout out
too to the boys from ninety boys and girls from
nineteen eighty five Massi University.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Forty years ago they started their bag degree.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And they're having a bit of a get together, a
bit of a reunion now one year. Wonder mackay.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I was a bit late on the invitation list. I
couldn't make it, but I tell you what, They're going
to have some fun at Greg Hart's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Over there.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
On the Hawks Bay this weekend. So all the best
of them plenty coming up. It is ten minutes after midday.
Jacqueline Robert is next the country, right on with the
country on your Thursday lunchtime, right across the country. Hatmis
mackay in for a namesake, Jamie. Great to have your
(03:21):
company and always great to be joined by this fantastic
advocate for all things agriculture, the primary industry industry doctor
Jacqueline Robs.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Jacquelin, how are you?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I'm fabulous in the wonderful Wye Cato in the.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Wonderful Why catter? What more could you want from life?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Hein so lovely to catch up, hey, loo' Let's let's
deal with the sort of We're going to get onto
some fantastic chat about what's going on with young blood
coming through in farming shortly. But first of all, look
this issue of our restrictions around pasture pest country. I mean,
I tell you what, we're dragging the chain, aren't we,
(04:02):
And you know we're hearing for not a particularly good
space if we don't do something about it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
You are absolutely right Hamish and Bayer pulling out of
New Zealand while starting with hate things but saying they're
not going to do any more research is just dire news.
But it's not just Bayer that is the thin end
of the wedge. It's other agrichemical companies saying we can't
do it. It takes too long, it costs too much,
and the whole it's not just pastor it's also all
(04:29):
of our orchards are vegetables. It's animal welfare as well.
All of this is linked and actually, Hamish, it is
linked to the next generation because it comes down to
can we have a vibrant business and for farmers and growers,
it's pretty frustrating to know that research overseas has shown
there's a new chemical that is more targeted potentially less
(04:53):
expensive and that has impacts on food costs, and they're
not allowed to use it because it's got hooked up
in the regular by system.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I look at the.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Environmental Protection Authority and think they're struggling under the legislation.
There are good people there trying to do their best,
but it's not happening quickly enough. So how can we help?
How can the government understand that they need to be
able to be allowed to take a more sensible approach.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, who does the backstop with?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Who needs to get involved here with the EPI and
make these changes in particular miniatures.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It's the ministers and the Ministry for primary industries. And
there are people around who think, oh, well, we could
just be organic, but they are wrong in terms of
thinking that organics does not use chemicals. They absolutely do.
It's just that they're not as targeted and that's actually
a bad thing. But we want a new targeted particularly
(05:47):
the new biological ways of controlling pests and diseases, and
they're not coming into the country because of the cost
of the regulation. And if they've been proven overseas, what
is the issue here? Once we've checked with our peculiar
wins our native species. Then let's get on with it
and create a vibrant business that the young ones want
(06:10):
to come into.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Absolutely, I mean compared for instance, to the investment that
Australia is making per capita or you know, I mean,
it's just it's appalling.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It is absolutely appalling. And then go back to America
or EU where these big companies are based it. So
there is a huge amount of investment dollars time all
of those sorts of things making sure that these chemicals
are safe, or these new bi logicals that attack the
pest and diseases that they are safe. And yet New
(06:40):
Zealand has a system that is taking the precautionary principle
a little bit far. Precautionary principle was proceed with care,
not stop doing stuff. And we're on the wrong side
of the proceed with care if it's taking. Some companies
have got examples to five years to gets through the
regulatory process.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Too long, Too long, right, Let's talk about things wonderfully
positive and of course we have a wonderful Young Farmer
of the Year and the Dairy Industry Awards and identifying
all these great young people coming through. But as you say,
we want to have a platform, a template to operate from.
But we have got some We have got some magical
young people coming through, haven't we Yes, they're.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Lovely and they always have been, these young, enthusiastic, go
ahead people that want to make a good or a
good contribution to the primary sector through food production and
that's where most of them are driven. It's the safe
food quality that we produce and they want to do
it with least impact on the environment. And they want
(07:46):
to be able to support their families as well. Hence
the vibrant business issue, and they would like to be able.
We know all this generation and they're on their websites
and looking up the new information. They want to be
able to use the new technologies on their productive systems.
We've got the Young Horticulturalist of the Year going on
at the moment to the regionals. These young people, they
(08:09):
we need to be able to put the incentives ahead
of them and some of that is being the game changer.
So let's go back to the Young Farmer of the Year.
There is now a it's been there actually quite a while.
Agmark started this and I was on the board of
the privilege of being on the board during the later
two thousands and you know, seven of thirteen and we
(08:31):
had the Innovation Product project. So what innovation can you
bring on to the farm or change can you make
to the farm system that's sort of given a farm
or allowed to choose amongst them, to enable the farm
system to be more innovative, to bring in another income stream,
because gosh, these days they have to buy out their siblings.
(08:54):
In the olden days when I was young, the oldest
son inherited everything and then they looked after the girls
or the other brothers in different ways or not at all,
and there are family disputes. Now you split up the
inheritance and so the person that takes on the farm
or the two that take on the farm have to
buy out the other siblings. That's where the debt comes from.
(09:17):
And how do you get the extra innovation stream, the
income stream to be able to pay out the others.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Challenges are plenty, but then again, I sort of I
do feel like the incentives and the motivation and the
future is incredibly bright if we get it right across
the board.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, and that's what we need to be well. Many
of us are working with the government to try and
ensure that the settings are right so that New Zealand
continues to have a vibrant primary sector which we all
know is underpending the economy. Whatever people used to say
about sunsets, we're still there and we're still trying to
do our best, and the next generation is coming through
(10:01):
with stars of them.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I love these and you'll know all the names across
the various industry awards and the young farmer of these
people who are making a difference with what.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I love is they particularly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's a bit of a fine line between promoting oneself,
I think, and as opposed to promoting the being an
advocate for the industry, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But there are some cheeses and superlative examples.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There are, and I'm looking forward to their next steps
when they come through, as it were federated farmers in
twenty years two decades say on some sorts of boards,
when they get a bit of experience in managing people
and land under their belt, and then they come through
and say I can help our industry through a different
way to our companies do even better. And it's the
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goal always to do better that really entuses me. They're
terrific bunch of young people.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I've got to say before you go, Jacqueline, the nineteen
eighty five mess University bag first year class are having
a reunion this week at renowned Hawk's Bay regenative farmer
Greg Hart's property in the Hawk's Bay. Now, I was
actually a first year member of this squad. I can't
make it this weekend, but I still feels like yesterday,
(11:17):
and yet it's forty years on, so you know, I
still feel like these guys have got these guys and
God's got a hell of a lot to offer the industry.
But it's great that these young people are coming through
and it's just fabulous. And you know what the thing
is that back then, forty years ago and the ones
who are still involved today and most of them went
into farming situations and they've all done amazing things. So
(11:38):
goodness knows what the picture can look like in forty years.
It could be fabulous, am.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I not said? But I'll look forward to the next twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, exactly, I'm with you. I'd be happy to I'd
happy to check out the next twenty. Jack One, thank
you so much, much appreciated. There we go, There we go,
great friend of the show and Expert and just so
so many things. Dr Jack will n roll with here
joining us on the country. Isn't she magnificent, Doctor Jacqueline Roth.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Great to have her on the country on your.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Thursday, heteless McKay and for Jamie McKay being picked in
Rubber Research Expert and the o CR.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
But a chat about that next to.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Me begin.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Win my course.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
So well, I still see you.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
The time is movie is so so.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
I don't know what else that I can so.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I cab the country will being picked in as senior
macro strategists for the Rubber Research Global Economics and Markets
team over there in Sydney.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Of course, keep an eye both sides of the Tasman
can I? Ben?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
How are you today?
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Mishon?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Very well, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Excellent to have you here right? Oh okay, So the
week of the OCR results both sides of the ditch.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah? Really interesting one, I think for New Zealand it
was sort of steady as she goes and very much
as expected. The rbn Z decided to keep the OCR
unchanged at three point twenty five percent. Most economists were
expecting that if we looked at the futures market the
day before. An unchanged result was very much priced into
the market, so no surprises there. Different story in Australia,
(13:30):
the futures market was fully priced for a cut and
almost every economist, including yours truly was expecting a cut
from the RBA, but they didn't deliver it. They decided
to hold rates unchanged at three point eighty five percent.
In Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, look, it's interesting. I mean, I think, as
you say, in New Zealand, it was reasonably well projected
what would happen. But I suppose still a bit of
a still a bit of a shock for some though,
because it's been moving south steadily.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah, that's fair to say, I think. So this is
the first time in the cycle that they've paused. They
did indicate that they still think that they're going to
cut interest rates in the future, so an economist would
say that they've got an easing bias. They're expecting to
ease monetary policy further in the future, so they were
pretty explicit about that in the press release. But yep,
(14:24):
it maybe does come as a little bit of a
jolt to households who become a customer seeing the rate
to go down with every meeting.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So what are we going to be looking at.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
What are they going to look at in terms of
if we're thinking that it's still got a downward movement,
what is the data that's going to make what's going
to be influential for that next announcement come August.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah, so the major data releases are going to be
the quarterly CPI figures, that's the inflation numbers, so they
come out towards the end of the month, and also
the labor market figures telling us what's going on with
the unemployment rate and hiring in New Zealand. So those
are kind of the two main things that get looked at.
Of course, there's also a lot going on in the
(15:07):
international context, and we're seeing tariff letters going out to
the various countries from the United States at the moment.
That's a bit of a moveable feast. There's a lot
of uncertainty there, so the RBNZ will certainly be watching
what's going on there because that will have an impact
on the domestic economy as well.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Absolutely, well, I'm in that tariff situation. Trump of course,
all sorts of new announcements. As you say, letters in
the box, you better open it up. The Aussies look
like they might be winners in this at the moment,
don't they.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Yeah, I won't be counting my chickens before they hatch
on this one. Because we did have Brazil overnight they
got sent a letter saying that they're facing a fifty
percent tariff, and back on April second, they were told
ten percent, which is the same as what Australia and
New Zealand were offered or told. And I think it's
(15:59):
fair to say that Australia has maybe annoyed the United
States a little bit recently. We've we've sort of politely
declined to increase our defense spending to the degree that
they would like to see. We've we've we've placed sanctions
on some Israeli politicians in defiance of US wishes. And
we've also got some non tariff barriers on US tech
(16:21):
companies that has upset the United States in other countries
when they've done similar things. So's there's a couple of
little things there that make me a little bit nervous
for Australia. But as far as we know, ten percent
is probably going to be.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
The number talking with being picked them from RABO research.
Is this the I mean, how often is it a
moving feast like we're seeing at the moment in terms
of everything that will will affect the o CR, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, So I guess the path of the o CR.
The arbans that has provided a projection where they're expecting
it to land somewhere in the in the high twos,
between between three percent and two and three quarters percent,
sort of in the in the first and second quarter
of next year. Is the projection that they've offered. Our
(17:10):
expectation is that they actually stopped cutting at three percent,
so we think one more rate cut. We think that
arrives in August, and then we think they're probably on
hold after that. But because there is a huge, huge
amount of uncertainty internationally, if international growth slows down a lot,
and it may do because of these tariff impacts, then
(17:35):
that would be an argument for further rate cuts.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Greats up, Ben, much appreciated as always, Thank.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
You, Thanks amis Hi, nice to meet.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You you Ny Google does get up a fussy.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Life forever.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This is the country.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Harbers McKay in for Jamie McKay Coming up later this
hour the Great Onney in.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Kirkpatrick, Kirk.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He had a Wellington ahead of the All Blacks against France.
But next up the the top dog for the deer
industry for PGG writing down there in the South Island
Mark Cutting. So we'll have a look at that deary
beef wheel that's next here on the country.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
She too, my head, send this sip true.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Nobody knows how we someone to me living this luck,
me trying to get away from me. Oh me stills
no singing.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Right here on the country.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We're heading to the deep south, the Mighty Gore and
Mark Cuttings. Of course, PGG Livestock South Island Deery manager,
get a mike.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
You doing here?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Good? Thanks? Ripping day down there is it.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
It's one of the bitter days we've had. It's been.
It's been living in a Princeville the last tea days.
Today is quite promising.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A good stuff, good stuff ridio feeder calf outlook the
one hundred kg carf prospects.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Take us through that.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
Yeah, okay, okay. I've had a lot of inquiry about
feeder carves, about the supply and the priceless season where
they're coming from. I mean, if you look at beaf
numbers out there, they're sort of falling around the place,
and they're getting quite expensive, and people seeing the dairy
(19:29):
beef market as an entry level for themselves and looking
at rearing a few calves. So there's been certainly been
an increase in inquiry for those and you know, I
expect that the early calf market to be really quite
sought after and securing those cards for the rears, and
and I've seen a little bit of a lifting the
price there for them good stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, dairy beef, what dairy beef in the overall place
in the beef markets.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Yeah, So if you look at dairy beef, if you
look at you know, the beet kill stats throughout throughout
the country, with kill about just short of a millon
prime stairs and heifers in New Zealand a year, and
that number has sort of been decreasing a little bit.
And that is made up of fifty per cent beef
kill and fifty percent dairy beef kettle. And I see
the shortfall being made up by dairy beef going forward
(20:20):
over the next decade, and I see that percentage going
more in favor of the dairy beef out there, so
you know, it's a big part of New Zealand's kill
out there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Pamish, Yeah too, right, okay, So and what about now
cold cow zone, what's happening there?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
So a lot of cold cows out there, mate in
demand at the moment from all processes. You'll see the
price of them lifting around the country. I was looking
at the Tamuka sale last week and I see you're
bettering cows your four hundred and eighty kilogram and better
freezing freezing type cross type cows making up to three
dollars fifty aka live weight out there, which is sort
(20:58):
of you know where good value for these kales when
you take out the numbers, you know, and the processes
are doing a lot of spot pricing out there. I mean,
if you've got a volume of coldcales to so you
really need to ask a question on the price and
you could be surprised and what you're what you achieved there.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Okay, a couple of bullet points before we wrap it up.
Dry livestock sales. What's the outlook there?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
The dairy is the place to be at the moment.
It's sort of keeping the lights on in the country.
You know, I have a lot of talk about dairy,
a lot of inquiries about kels. I'm going forward with
potential conversions throughout the central part of the South Island.
This year. I see a real lift in dairy kel prices,
you know for the Currencyason.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Man, Yeah, like and the overall diary outlook coming in
the milk, solar price everything.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Hell, we're looking.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean Frontier have come out with
an in bed this year of ten dollars. You know.
The only thing, the only cav it in there is
is calling range in there from eight dollars to eleven
dollars sort of thing, you know, depending on what happens
out there. Ruled events and it comes off, you know
this previous season which is gonna rap up around at
(22:06):
the king dollar mark, which is a record, I think
the previous six great guns.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And as there we go, marke Cutten's PGG Livestock South
Island dery manager cheers Mark had a great day.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Did you have?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Oh busy the cold cow?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Who would have thought this is the country?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Mark will have sports Cavin up shortening Michelle with rural
news and then all here from our Ossie, corresponded Chris Russell.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Just follow.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Next the country's rural news with Lawnmaster helping you muster
your lawns for over seventy five years.
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Be visit Steels dot co dot Nz for your local star.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Gust and Hamish mentioned this at the top of the
hour about more severe weather on the way and in
the news. More severe weather is on the way for
the top of the South Island and the Upper and
central North Island. Met Service has issued a new orange
rain warning for tomorrow for much of Nelson, Tasman and Marlborough,
which of course is already pretty fairly saturated. It says flooding,
(23:23):
slips and road closures are likely and people should prepare
for communication and power outages and possible evacuations. Orange rain
warnings have also been issued for tomorrow for Northland, Auckland,
Great Barrier Island, the Coromandel Peninsula, Wykattor Mount Taranaki, and
watchers have been issued for Bay of Plenty of Rotorua,
Wykattor Taramanoi and topor Now. Federated Farmers have put a
(23:44):
message out saying that people can donate to the Adverse
Events Trust. How flood affected farmers and that Tasman Nelson region.
You can find more information on their website or their
Facebook page about that. And we'll catch up with Chris
Brandolino from Neewer tomorrow and find out what their without,
what's going to be like if that, whether are set
to stop or continue? Right, We've got Mark with Sports News.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Sports with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot nzed.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
Yes, thank you, Michelle. All Blacks coach Scott Robinson has
made three positional changes to his starting side for Saturday's
second Test against France life here on gold Sport. The
forwards are the grouts Taylor Newell, Patty Tupelo, to Holland
v Savia and Leo willie Is at eight. The backs
Camregard Body, Barrett Caleb Clark, Jordi, Barrett Proctor, Yuanni and
(24:38):
Will Jordan at fullback. The reserves summersony Takeyaho, Norris Pasilio, Tossi, Finale,
Carife Cortes, Ratima Tamatava Nahwae was set to make his
debut for the All Blacks and Damien mckimsey.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Your thoughts on that, heyment, Yeah, I think it's a
pretty sensible selection.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I like the fact that Razor Robinson hasn't taken the
ray to this and pretty much you know Clark's there
for sever roofs because of concussion, and well Jordan will
be hoping he gets to have the full eighty back
at Fullbackavnawa. I think that's tick a box because I
think we saw from Quintite to Bayer enough to know
that that's how that's our midfield cover. So let's have
a look at the next guy in and he becomes
(25:18):
a new All Black, which is great to see. Patty too,
Plodo makes sense there for Scott Barrett. So overall I
think I think it's a good selection and I just look,
you know, I don't I don't expect them to grind
through the gears too quickly, but I think that you
know that this team will will take it up a notch.
But the with a touring party of eighty people that
(25:38):
the French art here for giggles, are they, so it'll
be another tough test.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Absolutely, I'd love to see our base Steamers wing at
a mooning that hour in the twenty three, but I
am very biased with that one. And finally pay Ours
Saint Jermn PSG. They've thumped Real Madrid four nell to
reach the final of Football's Club World Cup. They will
meet Chelsea, I believe on Tuesday morning.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Hamish Well, looking forward to that. PSG.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, they've really sort of worked their way. I remember
twenty five years ago when I was lucky enough to
use to tour with the All Blacks on a regular basis,
and that was always the shop on the Shomps and
he said that I had to go to the PSG
shop but they weren't quite the force or no. And
then but of course now that rusty old T shirt
that I'm sure I'm got there I should, I can
pull it out and genuinely rocket.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
There you go, money, money, money, That's what happens when
you gets into a football club. They start winning.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Exactly. Radio shoming up on the country.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We go across the ditch, it will be our Aussie
corresponded Chris Russell is next.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All night, no breaks. I'll tell no gain, ain't got
to try too hard. My baby's pushed to start.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Wheel it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I can't remember everything we said we said it.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It seld me that you whissle.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're listening to the country hatless McKay in for Jamie
McKay on your Thursday and we go across the Tasman.
We'll touch on it very briefly, the big state of
Origin decider. I don't know why I wanted to turn
myself into sounding like they're always like there, but yeah,
it was queens On all the way Chris Russell unfortunately
for a few and down Sydney Way.
Speaker 12 (27:26):
Yes, unfortunately it was Hamish. I hate to admit it,
but they were definitely the better side. I mean, I
think the experts say there was only two mistakes made
by Queensland in the entire game. It was extraordinary display
of discipline and eight defense. You know, their forwards were everywhere,
so I can't complain. The better side definitely won the game.
(27:48):
And it was also a great trimunant tribute to Cameron Munster,
who have played despite losing his dad a few days earlier,
and I think the same team really played their heart
out for him as well.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Homish, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
They losing your dad and his dad was only fifty
seven years old. There's nothing fear right or anything about that,
is there.
Speaker 12 (28:06):
I mean, just heartbreakingly absolutely, And you know Billy Slater,
the coach of Queensland, lost his dad in January similar
way a little though he was a bit older, so
I think there was a great affinity between them, and
to be honest, I think the whole of Australia was
sort of holding his hand a bit in that game
and it came through the team really played well, we
(28:29):
got flogged and we need to move on.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yep, right, Okay, let's get it. A few laws, regulations
and things. The EU deforestration laws are under fire. Although
Australia classified as low risk. What do these laws mean?
Speaker 12 (28:43):
So in the EU they're bringing out these laws that
say that they're going they want to look at the
geographical history, if you like, of any of the beef
and other products too. But here I'm thinking particularly of
beef that's imported into the EU and anything that comes
from land that was deg forested after twenty twenty is
(29:04):
going to be not allowed into the country. Now, Australia
has been classified as low risk because we're pretty strict
about that already. If anything, we're in our adding extra
forests now through some of our carbon credit schemes and
so forth. But nonetheless, the rest of the world I
think is saying that this is not going to be sustainable.
It's going to be hard to actually work out what
(29:27):
countries qualify what don't. So I don't think they're actually
going to happen Hamish to be honest, in their current form,
I think we'll see them.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Delayed yep, okay, speaking of delays or wipe out.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The cattle industry is ditching thenit zero twenty thirteen, deadline
twenty thirty year.
Speaker 12 (29:42):
We mean something's been in place for some time. But
I think reality is struck that in the Faired Income Department,
we ain't just going to get there.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
There's no possibility.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
And in fact, if you look at the twenty eight
percent reduction in emissions that the government proclaims, only two
percent of that is actually reduction missions. The rest of
it is offset, So you know, we're really not making
great progress. And really in the feed Income Department again,
one point four percent of the world's emissions come from
Australia and fourteen percent of that from agriculture. It really
(30:15):
was a little bit of a quick side adventure in
the first place.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I think Amish, Yeah, absolutely, ok. You Ozzie's a bird
flu free.
Speaker 12 (30:23):
Well, this is a good piece of news, I suppose,
and surprising considering the migratory words birds that fly over
the top of Australia, and how close we are to Antarctical,
which has been devastated by bird flu down there. But
we just got rid of the last trace of not
the H five in one, thank goodness, but some of
the other forms of bird flu out of Victoria, and
(30:43):
we've been declared bird food flea of flu free, which
certainly gives us an advantage in trade amish and I think, well,
let's see if we can keep that status as long
as we can.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, it's a good banner to fly, that is for sure, right,
plastic fruit stickers, this ban, the ban on these has
been put on hold because there isn't an alternative.
Speaker 12 (31:04):
Well I know, and to be honest, there isn't there any.
South Australia again, in their fairly puristic approach to these things,
decided to bring in a vand but they've had to
put on hold because without those, particularly the supermarkets, the
ability of scanning and putting through food orders and so on,
is reduced. But there ain't no alternative that's viable, that's
actually affordable. So I think we a bit like cage
(31:29):
removal of cage layers from the egg market. If we're
going to be we've got a walk before we run
with this, and certainly it can't be a self defeeding
if it's going to be brought in too quickly, and
that certainly looks like it going to be the case.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Here Now, I want to talk to you about the
Oxford Dictionary, the twenty twenty five Australian edition. Well, it's
the you know, we've got some new words going in there,
like spewing and slab and you know words that have
been around for a while.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
Well there's go was the Australian addition. Hamish, I'd probably say, yeah,
well I understand, But this is the pommy, this is
the edition they're going to put words like Khan as
in Karn Australia or Khan the Blues that's now fearing
is a word, and spewing, well everyone over here knows
you know I'm spewing about that means I'm pretty annoyed,
(32:18):
pretty upset about it. Nobody in England had any idea,
would never you never used that in up across Toff,
those schools in England where they teach English properly, and
even slab has now been put in the dictionary over there,
because again the poems have no idea what a slab
of beer is. A pint maybe they understand, or they
do understand, but a slab of beer not.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You needed a slab of beer to put the pain
to beard after last night's result, you can the Blues fans.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So yeah, well there you go in the Pawmye edition.
That's outstanding. Yeah what it is.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
And you know, we have our own dictionary here. But
we're a bit like you know, I always say the
English invented English, so I don't take any notice of
how the English the American and spell their words or
say them, because they're completely off the planet. Well we
can be not much better sometimes, but interestingly the Oxford
Dictionary seems to think we are being masters of the
English language, and at least in three words anyway.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Outstanding. Chris Russell, Australian correspondent, Thank you very much, as
always much appreciated.
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I'm a best say this, thanks for talking to me.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Thank you, showry out next time the country we'll head
to the capital.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Tier up.
Speaker 13 (33:28):
But he's finest in Kirkpatrick or more all black Captain
on the show, go on, Well, who better to serenade
this nixt shout out Dagg into the kids type in
nineteen eighty twosh, of course it's the ninety eighty five
Massy University Bag Reunion this weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Get it together at greg Harts and the Hawk's Bay. There,
what a lineup, Unfortunately I can't make it. Slatter and
Jack from up North, Bruce McPherson over from Queensland, Rope
and McCarty.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Watch out five folk of the hawks Bay dag in
the deckheads. What an institution they were. Unfortunately came to Auckland,
no fences to me and no ship to share. Ah
(34:22):
gets me going every time. Memories of the Albert and
Barmeersda north of Gritna and tire happy. Anyway, we've got
a couple of minutes left to chew the fat about
the footy and we'll go to Ian Kirkpatrick swanning down
in the Capitol ahead of the Test match Turkey.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
How are you not too bad?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Not too bad?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Not too bad?
Speaker 8 (34:41):
When Jamie is he playing golf for someone, we're.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Bound to be something sort of lucky, curious and keeping
with his lifestyle, you know, bring the other Mackay off
the bencher. But like Tavannah Way tomorrow Saturday night, he's
coming to the team. Patrick two Palodo for Scott Barrow
and Caleb Clark get to start with Civoo Reese out
quite conservatively.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Isn't they too many changes? Turki?
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Yeah no, Well well well they're pretty good changes to me. Yeah,
so let's wait and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you reckon that we're but hard on them. I mean,
I mean we can put out two decent squads of
twenty odds. And the French, I mean their Top forteen
competition with all those Georgian front rowers and everything, it's
a good competition. It was no surprise they showed they
had a bit of depth, not.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
At all, not at all, you know, even though they
had seventeen uncapped players. I mean their standard of their
top forteen for example, I mean it's pretty up there.
So you know, they've got guys that are coming over
here that haven't they hair caps they wanted, they want
caps there, so they're going to muck around and and
(35:47):
it be not very productive, not at all. I mean
the French, we know the French. I've played against them
and with them a couple of times, and man, there's
something else. If they were if they want to come
out and play, look out, that's just what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, they certainly didn't. Yeah they did it well, yeah, yeah,
of course you'll be.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Course if these days you're you're always sort of wrapped
in like are out on your bike you have been
for the last ten years. I suppose you're watching the
Tour de France and dreaming of what it might have
been here you decided to take up cycling instead of rugby.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Not at all, No, no, I love that stuff. No, no,
we did it for exercise. That's not for financial things.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
What those boys do on that Tour de France is
quite quite remarking. Now we've got about a minute to go. Kki,
bit a big shouldn't you get involved in a big
do that our mate Steely Klinak has in the capital,
big fund raiser, big lunch for what about five thousand people?
I hear these days it's growing a bit since I
used to get an invite.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
I wonder why it's going when you failed to tune
up oheesh, I tell you right, But yeah, there's about
a thousand. Yeah, you have the best thousand last year.
Great support. Really they'll Champions lunch and I think it's
the twenty eighth I think one. That's that the Inclinate
is organized over the years, so yeah, yeah, it's always
(37:12):
it's always a good afternoon and a good fun Roses
for Life Light.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah yeah, great cause life Light indeed. Mat Turky, thanks
very much. You get back to enjoying what you're doing
for a couple of days in Wellington as you're warm
up to the Test match. That's our former All Black captain,
a great man of tyr Rafferty up there the Poverty
Bay region of course. Ian Kirkpatrick put more dag in
the Dickheads as we wrap it up and we'll do
(37:36):
it all again tomorrow between twelve and one The Country.
I'm Hamus McKay in for Jamie mckaye catching tomorrow Dag
in the Dickids.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Brent your specialist in
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