May 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Jo Luxton, Peter Newbold, Dr Jacqueline Rowarth, Sean Laidlaw and Sebastian Chapman.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Last night I had the strangers dream I sent away
to China in a little of Botifania, and you said
you how to get your laundry clean? Didn't want no
one to hold you? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And he said can I I'm good afternoon, New Zealand.
I'm Jamie mackay. This is the Country, brought to you
by Brent Unique too. Remake of the old Matthew what
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was his name? Matthew Wilder from the eighties Break My Stride,
but of a musical theme today from nowhere. Hey. We've
been trying to get her for about the past week.
She's been crooked, but she's fronting up. She's waiting on hold.
Joe Luxton, Labour's AGG spokesperson, Paris Methane carbon farming in
the field days, Peter and Eubolt. Now how much is
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your farm worth? We take our monthly look at the
rural market with the GM of PGG Rights in real estate.
He also runs the livestock division. Busy times at PGG
Rights and Doctor Jaqueline Roweth. Everything you ever wanted to
know about ducks and drones, but we're afraid to ask.
Now we're going to try and track down a couple
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of young entrepreneurs. Sebastian Campbook, Campbook, Let's try that again.
Sebastian Chapman. He's based in Wanaka. Sean Laidlaw. I think
he's based in Auckland, but he's originally from Western South
and that name rings a bell for me. These are
a couple of young guys who have tried to come
up with a solution for the age old problem of
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farm succession. They've got a new company called Seedling, which
aims to help young people get onto farms, very difficult
when the average age of a farmer in this country
is in the late fifties. We'll have r I don't
know why I ever took on radio and doing a
farming show when I can't say rural properly. We'll have
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rural news and also sports news for you, and we
might even spring a mystery guest on you if we've
got time. It is the country thanks to Brant Houp.
Next Joe Luxton. We were meant to catch up with
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our next guest last week, but she pulled a sicky
on me. She was crooked, she didn't have a voice,
so we got her this week. We always get our man,
or in her case, Woman Joe Luxton, Labour's egg spokesperson.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Good to see back on the job. Now today we're
going to talk about Paris, methane, the gene technology Bill,
carbon farming, field days, the sea bomb.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Where do you want to start, Jesus, sounds like we're
going to be here for a couple of hours. Jamie,
I'm happy to start wherever it is that you want
to say.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, well, let's start with Paris and methane, because they're
kind of tied in together. Well, where does Labour sit
on this?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
In which particular part do you mean? Jamie?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
As far as okay, the Paris Climate Agreement, we in
are out because we've got national saying we've got to
stay in or we're going to be penalized by some
of these rich European nations. You've got the likes of
Winston saying let's get out of there, and David Seymour's
very much leaning towards eventually kicking Paris to touch. Where
does Labour sit.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The issue is, though, is it's illegally binding treaty and
we committed to it, and there would be serious of
implications legal and otherwise if we were to pull out
of it. And I mean, at the end of the day,
we just simply need to do our bits to reduce
global warming and that's the fact of it all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, but what about Trump. He's kicked Paris to touch.
He doesn't care now the world's begging at his knees.
If you're to believe him to do deals with them,
trade deals with them.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, Well, you know, Trump is his own unique person
in his own unique way of thinking about things. But
I have to say I agree with National on this.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well that's good. I guess we could do with more
bipartisan politics. You should agree, you guys should agree with
National on the age of eligibility for national super and
then you could kick Winston to touch and we could
get some sense around that issue. Because long term issues
like national super stuff like that, we need to have
a bipartisan approach across the House.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Surely, I agree, there are certainly some things that we
should have more of a bipartisan approach on, and what
those might be we would potentially disagree on. But you know,
I'm all all for and I think I've mentioned to
you before you know, I've reached out to the Minister
and asked if we can have a bit of a
yarn about where we might find some common ground that
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we can actually work together on, because, as you know,
and anyone out there will tell you, particularly in the
rules sect, did I just sick and tired of the
towing and the throwing and the yo yoing, And I
hear that loud and Claire, and I'm all for looking
at ways where we can reduce that or stop that
as much as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Katie Milne, a former president of Federated Farmers these days
West Coast Dairy Farmer, made some really talent comments on
the show yesterday about how we measure methane. And she's
a very considered, an educated and well traveled person, and
she's saying, if we start measuring methane using GWP star
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instead of GWP one hundred, without getting too technical about it,
the methane problem almost disappears. And that's what the likes
of the Methane Science Accord and Groundswell are saying.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Now, Okay, I didn't I'm sorry I didn't hear Katie's
interview with you yesterday, and I really respect Katie and
in your opinions, and I think that we just need
to do what it is that we can to reduce
our methane and continue to invest in technologies and support
our farmers and provide opportunities.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well that's a bit of a wishy washy answer, Joe,
Come on, you can do better than that.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, No, it's it is a fact that a lot
of the things that we need to happen are going
to take time, and they are going to cost money.
And then you know, sadly it does take time. But
we need things to be able to be financally viable,
for farmers to be able to purchase them or bring
them on and built. But look, I am not an expert.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well you should be an expert. You should be an expert, Joe,
it's your job.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I am not a scientist either.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Am I. But what the likes of Katie's saying, with
falling livestock numbers here in New Zealand, we're having if
we measure it under DWP star that use that methodology,
we're having a net calling effect on the environment and there.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Has been a reduction in the saying emissions. I acknowledge
that I am not a scientist and not an expert though,
but I certainly respect Katie's opinion. He's a very clever woman.
And look, I'm happy to look at all different things.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Where are you on carbon farming?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Oh yeah, it's a tricky one, right, And I think
that it was interesting to see an article recently about
the fact that there's likely to be a glut coming
up as we continue the way that we are. I see,
you know, the government has made some moves to reduce
the amount of area and a farm that can be
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turned into or used for carbon farming, but there's still
some loopholes and we're seeing a bit of a scramble
on people trying to get these things done before the
changes come into place. And I certainly agree with the
likes of Toby Williams who said, you know, simply going
out and purchasing a whole bunch of ceilings shouldn't show
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that you are planning on absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But if I was, if I was being unkind Joe,
and I never am to you, I could say I
could point the finger at you and the Prince of
the province as mild mate Shane Jones and his billion
tree program. It's all very well planting a billion trees,
but if you plant them in the wrong pace place,
we're buggered.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right if you partner them
in the wrong place. Absolutely and I admit that. You know,
we didn't get it completely like either, but we certainly
tried to make changes whereby we gave local communities a
say over whether the conversions could proceed and that was
and that was a positive move. But you know, and
I acknowledge again that the government, current government is making
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these changes, but I still think that there's some loopholes
that need to be closed up.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Are you coming to our annual barbecue dinner at field Day's, Joe,
you were a hit last year.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Are you inviting me to? Well?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think so yeah. Rowena will be hosting. I think
so yeah. I think we'll invite you along. It's good
to fraternize with the opposition.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Oh, absolutely nice. It was a great night. Really enjoyed it. Yeah,
I definitely be keen to come along again.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Absolutely well, it is a date to Joe Luxton, will
see you at field Days?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Sounds good?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It is sixteen after twelve, Thank you, Joe. Counting the
sleeps until field Days June. Got to do this off
the top of my head, June eleven to fourteen. Of course,
Wednesday through Saturday. Get there on the Wednesday. It's always
the best day at field Days, although Friday is probably
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She will do that when we do the rural news
and sports news at the bottom of the ROC. I
was just reading on the sports news that the Pope
Hope Leo the fourteenth has met a Sinner, none other
than Yannick Sinner. He's a big tennis fan, apparently. Up
next talking about well, not field days. He'll be at
field days as well, no doubt, but talking about farming.
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How much is your farm worth? Peter and Newbold are
the chief not the chief executive of the General Manager
of the real estate division and the livestock division from
our good friends at PGG Rights.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
And he's up next, said one of them, friend.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
List how much is your farm worth? Monthly? Here on
the country. We tell you because we ask an expert
in the field, the GM of PGG Rights in real estate,
Peter Newbold. Let's start with dairy, Peter, there's got to
be demand for dairy farms. With a ten dollar payout
and looking good for another one next.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Yeah, look, Kai Jamie, look it is there's a lot
of demand out there. The biggest challenges and I guess
we'll come into those winter months, is there's not enough stock.
So that's something I think everyone needs to think about.
You know, these buyers out there are willing to get
into the dairy scene now. I think one of the
things often I see happening is that you know, people tender,
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let's hang on, let's bank it. But you know, when
there's demand out there, it's probably a good time to
looking at moving on. And the other interesting thing is
I think we'll see a number of dairies. I know,
with carving and all that, it becomes challenging that I
think we'll see a number come to the market early
this year, you know, in the spring. So yeah, things
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are looking good and dairy, we just need more stock.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Very difficult, as we all know, to pick the top
or the bottom for that matter of the market. Okay,
sheep and beef properties now renewed profitability in both sectors.
Beef's at record prices, lamb's doing very well. We won't
go on too much about the strong all side of things,
but there is the elephant in the room, and you've
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got to be careful. You've got to tread warily on
this one as well. Peter Newbold, the carbon farming conversions,
they're still happening.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah, they are. Look, I actually think the horse has
bolted in the space anyway, So hopefully over time we'll
see a sea of reduction in that. But if I
go to the positive side, you know, after you know
good returns, you know, when you look at the sheep
and beef price at the moment are at extraordinary high levels.
There's strong, strong sentiment out there, and it's and the
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sheep and beef property sales have turned the corner. So
if you look at some of those traditional heartland areas
like Otago King Country, you know why are Appa Hawks Bay.
We are seeing those properties now moving and we're seeing
a lot more interest in that space. So I think
that's really exciting and it means a lot of those
farmers who were I guess in the last couple of
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years struggling now it can move forward positively, especially if
those ones who want to sell and move on.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Do you think the government's regulations or new laws that
are due to come and to affect in October? I
think will stem the flow. Not a forestry because forestry
is good, but of carbon farming and more particularly, the
worrying thing is the blanket planting. Because there's plenty of
places on a farm where you can plant some trees.
It's the blanket farming of good land that is the problem.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, look, and I think you're right there. You know
there are there are farms where you know it makes
good sense to plant some trees. I actually think it's
going to slow, and you know, you get different signals
from different people, but I think there is I guess
more concerns now about managing this space better because when
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you look at it, you know, at the end of
the day, you know whether we like it or not.
Our sheep and deef and dairy industries are critical for
New Zealand moving forward. So I have a sense that's
going to slow and I think it'll be more controlled
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Talk to me about horticulture. Can we fruits on a
real high at the moment? Is that coming through?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Actually we've got an auction taking place today, so definitely
that market is starting to move. I think people are
there's a renewed confidence there. As you said, returns are good,
so we're going to see more activity in that coming
into the spring. And I think if you look at
all the sectors at the moment this year, if I
look at it, you know, everything's been perfect, Everything's lined up.
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So I think you're going to see hot sheep and
beef dairy. I think as we move into spring, I
think we're going to see good sales. The only thing
I would probably mention is I don't think we're going
to see a lot of movement and values upwards. I
think they'll remain reasonably steady versus you know, other other
times in the past we use suddenly the cycle has turned.
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So yeah, I think we're going to see good good
sales and good interest as we move into the spring months.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Absolutely, farmland should be about yield or return rather than
capital gain. And the other interesting factor that will come
into play this year is interest rates.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yeah, I think I think that's it. And I was
talking to one of our key people this morning, and
you know, when you add returns and then you add
in that interest rate piece, and let's hope inflation stays
where it is. I think we're in a good space
looking forward over the next couple of years. So that's
really exciting. I think for the country, we're in.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
A good space. Hey, Peter Newbold, thanks for your time.
Looking forward to catching up with you and the chief
executive of PGG Rights and Stephen Gerrien at field Days
as always, and we'll have our annual catch up with
the team from the IHC, CAF and Rural Scheme. Thank
you very much to PGG Rights and for everything you
guys do for this wonderful cause.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Heah, Thanks Jeremie. Looking forward to catching up with you
for your gate.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Indeed, if you want to, you can catch up with us.
Thanks Peter. By the way, and if you want to
join us at field Days for free, you need to
enter our wonderful promotion. We've got to double pass to
give away. But honestly, look, I feel like I'm banging
on a drummer. No one is listening to me. It's
like being at home where no one takes any notice
of me. Michelle, field Days, you just got It's one word. Okay,
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you're getting that, but you're not spelling it correctly. Correctly. Look,
field days is spout if ie, not f ei. And
I know if you're from actually, if you're from Fielding,
we'll make an exception. What do you reckon, Michelle? Because
Fielding's spout eih it is.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
It's very confusing, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
What's happened to you? I might have to turn your
mic up a wee, but it is very confusing, very
very confusing. Indeed. So here's the drill, folks. What you
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Speaker 4 (17:58):
By the way, Michelle, Okay, so today Boysterday's wanta sorry
is Angela Buchanan who was listening from her car on
the way home up in the wy Cato. So enjoy
that double pass, Angela, and make sure you go visit
us in the pavilion when you're there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Absolutely look forward to meeting you, Angela. Some of your
feedback you're unkind to poor Joe God how agriculture of
labor ever gets in and Joe is our minister from Mark.
Here's another one from Craig Jamie that woman wants New
Zealand to do our bit. How do we do our
bit we produce zero point one seven percent of global emissions?
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How much lower without strangling our economy? Does she think
we should go? It's bizarre, says Craig. And here's another one.
How can a legally binding treaty be legally binding if
the information, data and other and many other factors within
the document are either wrong, inaccurate, or simply untrue, that
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would make it a fraudulent document, therefore null and void.
I'm not quite sure I agree with that with that one, Yeah,
I'm not sure about it. I mean, look at Trump
ignores all that sort of stuff, doesn't he Ah, it's interesting. Gee,
if you really, I don't know if you've got Fox News.
Have you got Fox News on your Sky channel?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Michelle, No, because I am not a sixty five year
old boomer.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's nothing to do with that. It's just it's like
a comedy channel. Seriously, go and if you get bored
at night, just go and watch Fox News. Very entertaining.
Up next, Rural News, I might talk to you about
that story about the pope meeting Yannick Sinner. I think
that's a very clever The pope meeting of Sinner's a
very interesting play on words, Michelle, I'll have a rural
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news for you before the end of the hour, Doctor
Jack willn Rowathon ducks and drones. Some of the numbers
around ducks and how bad they are for the environment
are frightening. And we're going to try and track down
a couple of young entrepreneurs, Sebastian Chapman and Sean Laidlaw.
They've got the answer, according to themselves, to farms succession.
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They've set up a new company called Seedling. We'll catch
them before the end of the hour as well.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
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Speaker 1 (20:16):
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Speaker 3 (20:20):
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
Awkward? Awkward subject, Michelle, Let's get on to sport.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
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Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, it is awkward for blocks to talk about stuff
like that. Now, where's my story on the Pope? I
think it was at the twelve PM bulletin. I love
this story. So the new Pope, this is someone at
the sports department split a bit of time into this.
The new Pope has held caught with a sinner. Self
confessed tennis fan, Leo the fourteenth is settling into his
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new role at the same time as the Italian Open
player out in Rome the Tennis Open. Of course, He's
met with local world number one Yannick Sinner at the Vatican,
the three and then the Catholic Church boss indicated that
his all white paper attire would meet the dress code
for one particular major. And I think the tennis mad
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Pope is talking about Wimbledon. They're not the Italian Open. Now,
let's see what's happened in the twelve thirty bulletin oh
I'm looking forward to this. A test of strength and
accuracy looms at Golf's PGA Championship Major, which tea is
off tonight at Quayle Hollow in North Carolina. Ryan Fox
is away at eleven o five. I'll have to stay
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up and watch Foxy tee off. After wild weather saw
him play just a single early morning practice round in solitude,
he hasn't had the same lead in as some of
those other players. Really looking forward to that one. Rory
McElroy's won four times at Quayle Hollow, even though Scottie
Scheffler is the favorite there. And we've got a Laidlaw
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coming up A wee bit later in the show. Clark Laidlaw,
Hurricanes coach, has an intriguing first five selection tussle. At
the back end of Super Rugby, Brett Cameron's return from
an acl knee injury ahead of schedule and is on
the bench against the Highlanders tomorrow. Go the Landers. Laidlaw's
acknowledged the success Ruben Love has had in the number
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ten Jersey. If I was packing the team, I'd stay
with Ruben Love. What a challa, what a talent he is.
Up next Dr Jacqueline Rowath, she is one of our
leading primary sector academics Fortnightly. She writes an excellent column
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for us on our website The Country dot co dot Nz.
Really good one this week Everything you wanted to know
about ducks. But we're afraid to ask doctor Jaqueline Rowath.
But before we get onto your column, I want to
ask you about methane and Paris, two of the buzz
subjects at the moment. We've had Joe Luxton on the show,
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and she seems slightly confused about it, as a lot
of us are to be fear. Let's start with methane.
If we measure methane emissions using GWP star, are problems.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Over no in the short The IPCC I think report
on it, saying you could use WP staff or short
lived gases. It would because the GWP overestimates impact in
the long term, but underestimates in the short term, so
we would have a short term issue, and short term
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might be two decades of appearing to be increasing in impact,
and that's not what we want. But of course what
Joe is concerned about is our trade deals, all of
which rely on saying we are doing everything we can
to reduce greenhouse gases. And I'm still very strongly of
the opinion that we do everything we can. Whilst saying
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the next step is decrease food production, is that really
what you want, Because of course decreased food production will
increase prices of the food, and no government wants that.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But if we had less ruminance in the country today
than we had yesterday over any given period of time,
that must have a knit calling effect methane out.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
It's not increasing the temperature as fast. Remember, although we
keep saying, oh, half the impact is a greenf of
gases as coming from ruminant the other half and increasing
the more we bring down our ruminants is from carbon dioxide,
which is a much greater problem in terms of staying around.
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So I tend to avoid anything like the term cooling
because we're just not increasing it at fast as we
would have done if we've got more ruminants. But the
other thing that David Train, because we're often quoting David,
pointed out is that our starting point wile Alon was
in there as well. Our starting point is crucial. We
had no ruminants in New Zealand in before the eighteen hundreds.
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What's our starting point at the moment? It varies around
the world between twenty seventeen or two thousand and five,
or or do we go back to Kyoso? And all
of these the metrics, the goals, the time frame are
very important in these calculations. So I would come back
to having the high ground, which is we are doing
everything we can. What we have done is lose productive
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land to forests, which are only a short term solution.
And while we're doing everything we can, we know that
you people in supermarkets do not wish to pay more
for food, so we're doing everything we can. Our next
step is reducing food production, which is not what the
world wants, so supports in what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
What about Paris and are out.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
We need to be in at the moment?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Absolutely? What about David? What about David Seymour comment? And
I find this very interesting. Heces Ultimately the cost of
staying in could be greater than the penalty for getting out.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Well, I think we'd lose an awful lot of sanction
of public license if we pulled out, So I don't
think that's a good idea, and we just need to
go on using the Paris Agreement statement that we're doing
everything we can to reduce greenhouse gases without reducing food production.
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That is should be what number one stunts without reducing
food production, because everybody is concerned about the price of food.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Let's finish on your column on our website, The Country
dot co dot n Z. On ducks, I mean, I
knew they were a pest, but I didn't realize there
were such a big pest. To Jacqueline, the numbers around
ducks aren't flesh.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
No, there are a lot of them. They're making our
gray duck en danger in a lot of areas, particularly
in urban places, and everybody we love ducks. They make
great noise, and the ducklings acute, but they're little bug bombs,
and their fecal contamination output is not just what they're eating,
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it's what's growing in their feces, and they have a
phenomenally high bacterial loading. So that's what's doing the worst
things in terms of E. Coli to our rivers. And
there's been lots of good work by ESR looking at
where the problems are coming from in terms of river contamination.
And so of course we need to leave everybody with
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the message that you don't swim during or for a
couple of days after the heavy rain for all sorts
of reasons, but one of them is bacterial loading. But
duck loading of E. Coli and swans and Canada geese
for candelabacta, it's there all the time, just gets worse
in big rainfalls.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Do we blame their four beers who are silly enough
to bring in gorse and silly enough to bring in
mallard ducks and rabbits and rabbits, yes, of course, rabbits.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And rabbits, yes, and now we've got wallabies. New Zealand
is unique. We know that we say it all the time,
but it has very few natural presuators for these things
that we've introduced, and we end up with unintended consequences.
And so there are various places saying that actually the
ducks shooting season if mallards were declared at pest they
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could be destroyed when they arrived, and that actually needs
to be investigated for the safety of our environment and
our own health and our food production because they are
destroying crops.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, I look at some of the scenes from the
likes of Southland earlier in the season when those ducks
were like a plague of locusts on some of those crops.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Just awful. And we've had similar things up in the
Waikato up from the High Final. They talk about not
being able to grow chickory because it's just too delicious.
They paradise do just arrive and take it out. And
we know that the Canada geese around Lake Ellesmere, well
there's a lot of your bug contamination. So yes, we
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need to be logical about what we're actually trying to achieve.
And if the people who want to preserve ducks are
prepared to offset the cost to the ultimate consumer or
to the farmer, that's fine, But I suspect they're not.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Hey, Jacquelin, the geese aren't the only pests. Like Ellesmere.
There's those people with their drones.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Ah, well that too. But was it a bird or
was it a plane or was it just spy can.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Well it fell from the sky. The ultimate solution anyhow,
get myself in trouble if I say anything more, doctor Jaquelin.
Rowe people can read all about ducks and the damage
they're doing to our environment on your excellent column on
our website The Country dot co dot in Z.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
See you later, lovely.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Thanks by.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Thank you Jacquelin. It's being on on quarter away from
one up. Next a couple of young entrepreneurs Seb Chapman,
Sean Laidlaw and farm succession. The average age of farmers
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in New Zealand is in the late fifties, which makes
farm succession a real challenge and a concern. Well, two
young entrepreneurs have got together and have come up hopefully
with a solution. Sebastian or SEB Chapman and Sean Laidlaw
to start with. I'm going to start with you Sean,
because I read on your bio you're a laid law
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from Western Southland. Now that rings a lot of bells
for me. Are you in a relation to former All
Black Kevin and Southland Great Paul who I used to
play a lot of footy with.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Yeah, I am so that's my uncle, my grandfather.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, did you get the footy gene or did you
just get the brains gene?
Speaker 9 (31:59):
I certainly didn't any of the footage jeens and plenty
of my mates will say on what I for.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Al ad it?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Okay, well, certainly you're a bright young man along with
your mate Sebastian Chapman. Now, Seb, I think you're involved
in Future Farmers. You're based in Wanaka. So tell me
how you two got together and what's your solution to
the age old problem of farm succession. I'll stick with you, Seb.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Mate, So we got seed Up about a year ago.
I sort of put a loose idea of seedling out
into the market to see sort of what the response
was going to be, and then Sean reached out and
had actually been sort of working on something similar. So
we thought, you know, better than going against each other,
we may as well team up and do it right,
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you know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So what is seedling? Is it a venture fund or
is it going to be a program or an app?
How are you going to get this into the market
and how does it work? I'll stick with you again, Seb.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Yes, so we're primarily a private equityiness and the whole
concept is really based around getting skin in the game
for young farmers and sort of building their equity position
in the farm. It's sort of grounded in a lot
of economic fundamentals, I guess, and we're I guess. The
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primary contract that we mainly use is somewhat based off
an equity partnership, but we've engineered and a few other
little mechanisms so that the young farmer can grow their
stake quicker than they would normally, and it also provides
a better return for investors because the incentives are aligned
across the board.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know, now that explains your background. You studied software
engineering and economics Massive University, Sean Laidlaw, you went to
Auckland University. You're continuing your studies. You're almost through an
MBA on rural banking and why it's underfunded. Have you
got any answers there?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's still a work in progress, but yeah,
there's a few interesting points I think, I mean, particularly
around some of the risk matrixes that banks used in
career requirements for young farmers. I mean, obviously we discussed
the sort of generational shift that's probably going to happen
over the next five or ten years. And it's a
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lot of cash I guess for young farmers to come
up with whether they want to buy the family farm
or buy a different farm. And so I guess our
solution is to try and alleviate some of these pain points.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So, how is seedling different, Sean Laidlaw, from an equity partnership,
getting the family involved or doing succession through that? What's
the difference? Why is your program or model going to
be easier?
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I think I think there is a discerning growing number
of farmers that you don't have a family farm, right,
so that alleviates or gets rid of the option of
slowly buying in over time to the family farm. And
so what we want to do is make it a
real clear path way for these guys to come in
at a smaller starting point, but know that over time
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they have the right to acquire more shares and a
bigger piece of the pie in that farm and really
come along for the journey as we develop some of
these farms and some of the practices behind how we
want to operate.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So, Sean, is this all about the existing farmer leaving
vendor finance in there?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I mean, that's certainly one option, and we've been greatly
supported by our first farm under management to do that.
They've believers, I guess in what we're trying to achieve
and the problem, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
We're obviously raising capital externally to go out into the
market and acquire further farms.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So yeah, you both got a good farming background, or
you certainly have. Seb you were born into a farming family.
In horror, Fanua, I think you've worked off or in Australia,
spent many an hour on a tractor. And is it
right that you actually worked under Mike Casey, the electric
cherry guy?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
It is?
Speaker 10 (36:04):
It is Mike and I worked on a software company
called fruit Winder, so yeah, I was working on data
collection in the cherry orchards. So yeah, have had a
good working relationship with Mike for a few years now.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, he's a wonderfully interesting character. And Sean Laidlaw West
and Southland, they're all farmers over there. What's your farming connection?
Speaker 9 (36:29):
Mostly get through the family. I mean, you wouldn't want
me just been too long on a farm, if I'm honest,
But you know, I've always kept it pretty close to
my heart and getting out to see family on farms
and I guess understanding the challenges that they face.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Will you guys have seedling at field Days? If people
are listening to this and thinking farm succession is a
bit of a chore, especially in our operation, are you
going to be there? Can you offer them a solution?
Speaker 10 (36:59):
Yep, we will definitely be there. We don't have a stall,
but I'll be floating around so people can reach out
and sewan. Hopefully you'll be able to make it down
to Good.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
On you, hey, Sebastian Chapman, Sean laid Lord, Thanks for
your time. Make yourselves known to us at field Days.
I look forward to meeting you in person. We'll be
broadcasting right inside the front door of the main pavilion.
You won't better miss us, you won't about to get
away from us, So look forward to meeting you at
field Days. Good luck in your new venture seedling awesome today.
(37:30):
Thanks guys, and if you want to join us at
field Day's text Field Days with your name and where
you're listening from to five double nine up. Next we
wrap your feedback. Just wrapping the country with some of
your feedback on ducks. Ducks in south on this year
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weren't just out of control, they were in plague proportions,
it says our Texter, a mate of mine, had between
ten and fifteen thousand, and the p qually was drilling wheat. Yes,
they are a pist and talking about pists, we'll have
one on the show tomorrow, Jeremy Rocks. We'll catch you back.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Then catch all the latest from the land. It's the
Country Podcast with Jamie McGue. Thanks to Brent, you're specialist
in John Deere machinery.
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brent starkest of the
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Last night I had the strangers dream I sent away
to China in a little of Botifania, and you said
you how to get your laundry clean? Didn't want no
one to hold you? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And he said can I I'm good afternoon, New Zealand.
I'm Jamie mackay. This is the Country, brought to you
by Brent Unique too. Remake of the old Matthew what
(00:53):
was his name? Matthew Wilder from the eighties Break My Stride,
but of a musical theme today from nowhere. Hey. We've
been trying to get her for about the past week.
She's been crooked, but she's fronting up. She's waiting on hold.
Joe Luxton, Labour's AGG spokesperson, Paris Methane carbon farming in
the field days, Peter and Eubolt. Now how much is
(01:14):
your farm worth? We take our monthly look at the
rural market with the GM of PGG Rights in real estate.
He also runs the livestock division. Busy times at PGG
Rights and Doctor Jaqueline Roweth. Everything you ever wanted to
know about ducks and drones, but we're afraid to ask.
Now we're going to try and track down a couple
(01:35):
of young entrepreneurs. Sebastian Campbook, Campbook, Let's try that again.
Sebastian Chapman. He's based in Wanaka. Sean Laidlaw. I think
he's based in Auckland, but he's originally from Western South
and that name rings a bell for me. These are
a couple of young guys who have tried to come
up with a solution for the age old problem of
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farm succession. They've got a new company called Seedling, which
aims to help young people get onto farms, very difficult
when the average age of a farmer in this country
is in the late fifties. We'll have r I don't
know why I ever took on radio and doing a
farming show when I can't say rural properly. We'll have
(02:20):
rural news and also sports news for you, and we
might even spring a mystery guest on you if we've
got time. It is the country thanks to Brant Houp.
Next Joe Luxton. We were meant to catch up with
(02:52):
our next guest last week, but she pulled a sicky
on me. She was crooked, she didn't have a voice,
so we got her this week. We always get our man,
or in her case, Woman Joe Luxton, Labour's egg spokesperson.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Good to see back on the job. Now today we're
going to talk about Paris, methane, the gene technology Bill,
carbon farming, field days, the sea bomb.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Where do you want to start, Jesus, sounds like we're
going to be here for a couple of hours. Jamie,
I'm happy to start wherever it is that you want
to say.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, well, let's start with Paris and methane, because they're
kind of tied in together. Well, where does Labour sit
on this?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
In which particular part do you mean? Jamie?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
As far as okay, the Paris Climate Agreement, we in
are out because we've got national saying we've got to
stay in or we're going to be penalized by some
of these rich European nations. You've got the likes of
Winston saying let's get out of there, and David Seymour's
very much leaning towards eventually kicking Paris to touch. Where
does Labour sit.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The issue is, though, is it's illegally binding treaty and
we committed to it, and there would be serious of
implications legal and otherwise if we were to pull out
of it. And I mean, at the end of the day,
we just simply need to do our bits to reduce
global warming and that's the fact of it all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, but what about Trump. He's kicked Paris to touch.
He doesn't care now the world's begging at his knees.
If you're to believe him to do deals with them,
trade deals with them.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, Well, you know, Trump is his own unique person
in his own unique way of thinking about things. But
I have to say I agree with National on this.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well that's good. I guess we could do with more
bipartisan politics. You should agree, you guys should agree with
National on the age of eligibility for national super and
then you could kick Winston to touch and we could
get some sense around that issue. Because long term issues
like national super stuff like that, we need to have
a bipartisan approach across the House.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Surely, I agree, there are certainly some things that we
should have more of a bipartisan approach on, and what
those might be we would potentially disagree on. But you know,
I'm all all for and I think I've mentioned to
you before you know, I've reached out to the Minister
and asked if we can have a bit of a
yarn about where we might find some common ground that
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we can actually work together on, because, as you know,
and anyone out there will tell you, particularly in the
rules sect, did I just sick and tired of the
towing and the throwing and the yo yoing, And I
hear that loud and Claire, and I'm all for looking
at ways where we can reduce that or stop that
as much as possible.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Katie Milne, a former president of Federated Farmers these days
West Coast Dairy Farmer, made some really talent comments on
the show yesterday about how we measure methane. And she's
a very considered, an educated and well traveled person, and
she's saying, if we start measuring methane using GWP star
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instead of GWP one hundred, without getting too technical about it,
the methane problem almost disappears. And that's what the likes
of the Methane Science Accord and Groundswell are saying.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Now, Okay, I didn't I'm sorry I didn't hear Katie's
interview with you yesterday, and I really respect Katie and
in your opinions, and I think that we just need
to do what it is that we can to reduce
our methane and continue to invest in technologies and support
our farmers and provide opportunities.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well that's a bit of a wishy washy answer, Joe,
Come on, you can do better than that.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, No, it's it is a fact that a lot
of the things that we need to happen are going
to take time, and they are going to cost money.
And then you know, sadly it does take time. But
we need things to be able to be financally viable,
for farmers to be able to purchase them or bring
them on and built. But look, I am not an expert.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well you should be an expert. You should be an expert, Joe,
it's your job.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I am not a scientist either.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Am I. But what the likes of Katie's saying, with
falling livestock numbers here in New Zealand, we're having if
we measure it under DWP star that use that methodology,
we're having a net calling effect on the environment and there.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Has been a reduction in the saying emissions. I acknowledge
that I am not a scientist and not an expert though,
but I certainly respect Katie's opinion. He's a very clever woman.
And look, I'm happy to look at all different things.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Where are you on carbon farming?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Oh yeah, it's a tricky one, right, And I think
that it was interesting to see an article recently about
the fact that there's likely to be a glut coming
up as we continue the way that we are. I see,
you know, the government has made some moves to reduce
the amount of area and a farm that can be
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turned into or used for carbon farming, but there's still
some loopholes and we're seeing a bit of a scramble
on people trying to get these things done before the
changes come into place. And I certainly agree with the
likes of Toby Williams who said, you know, simply going
out and purchasing a whole bunch of ceilings shouldn't show
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that you are planning on absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
But if I was, if I was being unkind Joe,
and I never am to you, I could say I
could point the finger at you and the Prince of
the province as mild mate Shane Jones and his billion
tree program. It's all very well planting a billion trees,
but if you plant them in the wrong pace place,
we're buggered.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right if you partner them
in the wrong place. Absolutely and I admit that. You know,
we didn't get it completely like either, but we certainly
tried to make changes whereby we gave local communities a
say over whether the conversions could proceed and that was
and that was a positive move. But you know, and
I acknowledge again that the government, current government is making
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these changes, but I still think that there's some loopholes
that need to be closed up.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Are you coming to our annual barbecue dinner at field Day's, Joe,
you were a hit last year.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Are you inviting me to? Well?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think so yeah. Rowena will be hosting. I think
so yeah. I think we'll invite you along. It's good
to fraternize with the opposition.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Oh, absolutely nice. It was a great night. Really enjoyed it. Yeah,
I definitely be keen to come along again.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Absolutely well, it is a date to Joe Luxton, will
see you at field Days?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Sounds good?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It is sixteen after twelve, Thank you, Joe. Counting the
sleeps until field Days June. Got to do this off
the top of my head, June eleven to fourteen. Of course,
Wednesday through Saturday. Get there on the Wednesday. It's always
the best day at field Days, although Friday is probably
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How much is your farm worth? Peter and Newbold are
the chief not the chief executive of the General Manager
of the real estate division and the livestock division from
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List how much is your farm worth? Monthly? Here on
the country. We tell you because we ask an expert
in the field, the GM of PGG Rights in real estate,
Peter Newbold. Let's start with dairy, Peter, there's got to
be demand for dairy farms. With a ten dollar payout
and looking good for another one next.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Yeah, look, Kai Jamie, look it is there's a lot
of demand out there. The biggest challenges and I guess
we'll come into those winter months, is there's not enough stock.
So that's something I think everyone needs to think about.
You know, these buyers out there are willing to get
into the dairy scene now. I think one of the
things often I see happening is that you know, people tender,
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let's hang on, let's bank it. But you know, when
there's demand out there, it's probably a good time to
looking at moving on. And the other interesting thing is
I think we'll see a number of dairies. I know,
with carving and all that, it becomes challenging that I
think we'll see a number come to the market early
this year, you know, in the spring. So yeah, things
(12:43):
are looking good and dairy, we just need more stock.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Very difficult, as we all know, to pick the top
or the bottom for that matter of the market. Okay,
sheep and beef properties now renewed profitability in both sectors.
Beef's at record prices, lamb's doing very well. We won't
go on too much about the strong all side of things,
but there is the elephant in the room, and you've
(13:06):
got to be careful. You've got to tread warily on
this one as well. Peter Newbold, the carbon farming conversions,
they're still happening.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah, they are. Look, I actually think the horse has
bolted in the space anyway, So hopefully over time we'll
see a sea of reduction in that. But if I
go to the positive side, you know, after you know
good returns, you know, when you look at the sheep
and beef price at the moment are at extraordinary high levels.
There's strong, strong sentiment out there, and it's and the
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sheep and beef property sales have turned the corner. So
if you look at some of those traditional heartland areas
like Otago King Country, you know why are Appa Hawks Bay.
We are seeing those properties now moving and we're seeing
a lot more interest in that space. So I think
that's really exciting and it means a lot of those
farmers who were I guess in the last couple of
(14:00):
years struggling now it can move forward positively, especially if
those ones who want to sell and move on.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Do you think the government's regulations or new laws that
are due to come and to affect in October? I
think will stem the flow. Not a forestry because forestry
is good, but of carbon farming and more particularly, the
worrying thing is the blanket planting. Because there's plenty of
places on a farm where you can plant some trees.
It's the blanket farming of good land that is the problem.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, look, and I think you're right there. You know
there are there are farms where you know it makes
good sense to plant some trees. I actually think it's
going to slow, and you know, you get different signals
from different people, but I think there is I guess
more concerns now about managing this space better because when
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you look at it, you know, at the end of
the day, you know whether we like it or not.
Our sheep and deef and dairy industries are critical for
New Zealand moving forward. So I have a sense that's
going to slow and I think it'll be more controlled
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Talk to me about horticulture. Can we fruits on a
real high at the moment? Is that coming through?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Actually we've got an auction taking place today, so definitely
that market is starting to move. I think people are
there's a renewed confidence there. As you said, returns are good,
so we're going to see more activity in that coming
into the spring. And I think if you look at
all the sectors at the moment this year, if I
look at it, you know, everything's been perfect, Everything's lined up.
(15:34):
So I think you're going to see hot sheep and
beef dairy. I think as we move into spring, I
think we're going to see good sales. The only thing
I would probably mention is I don't think we're going
to see a lot of movement and values upwards. I
think they'll remain reasonably steady versus you know, other other
times in the past we use suddenly the cycle has turned.
(15:56):
So yeah, I think we're going to see good good
sales and good interest as we move into the spring months.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Absolutely, farmland should be about yield or return rather than
capital gain. And the other interesting factor that will come
into play this year is interest rates.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yeah, I think I think that's it. And I was
talking to one of our key people this morning, and
you know, when you add returns and then you add
in that interest rate piece, and let's hope inflation stays
where it is. I think we're in a good space
looking forward over the next couple of years. So that's
really exciting. I think for the country, we're in.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
A good space. Hey, Peter Newbold, thanks for your time.
Looking forward to catching up with you and the chief
executive of PGG Rights and Stephen Gerrien at field Days
as always, and we'll have our annual catch up with
the team from the IHC, CAF and Rural Scheme. Thank
you very much to PGG Rights and for everything you
guys do for this wonderful cause.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Heah, Thanks Jeremie. Looking forward to catching up with you
for your gate.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Indeed, if you want to, you can catch up with us.
Thanks Peter. By the way, and if you want to
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Speaker 4 (17:58):
By the way, Michelle, Okay, so today Boysterday's wanta sorry
is Angela Buchanan who was listening from her car on
the way home up in the wy Cato. So enjoy
that double pass, Angela, and make sure you go visit
us in the pavilion when you're there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Absolutely look forward to meeting you, Angela. Some of your
feedback you're unkind to poor Joe God how agriculture of
labor ever gets in and Joe is our minister from Mark.
Here's another one from Craig Jamie that woman wants New
Zealand to do our bit. How do we do our
bit we produce zero point one seven percent of global emissions?
(18:34):
How much lower without strangling our economy? Does she think
we should go? It's bizarre, says Craig. And here's another one.
How can a legally binding treaty be legally binding if
the information, data and other and many other factors within
the document are either wrong, inaccurate, or simply untrue, that
(18:56):
would make it a fraudulent document, therefore null and void.
I'm not quite sure I agree with that with that one, Yeah,
I'm not sure about it. I mean, look at Trump
ignores all that sort of stuff, doesn't he Ah, it's interesting. Gee,
if you really, I don't know if you've got Fox News.
Have you got Fox News on your Sky channel?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Michelle, No, because I am not a sixty five year
old boomer.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's nothing to do with that. It's just it's like
a comedy channel. Seriously, go and if you get bored
at night, just go and watch Fox News. Very entertaining.
Up next, Rural News, I might talk to you about
that story about the pope meeting Yannick Sinner. I think
that's a very clever The pope meeting of Sinner's a
very interesting play on words, Michelle, I'll have a rural
(19:39):
news for you before the end of the hour, Doctor
Jack willn Rowathon ducks and drones. Some of the numbers
around ducks and how bad they are for the environment
are frightening. And we're going to try and track down
a couple of young entrepreneurs, Sebastian Chapman and Sean Laidlaw.
They've got the answer, according to themselves, to farms succession.
(20:00):
They've set up a new company called Seedling. We'll catch
them before the end of the hour as well.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
The one thing we guest.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Take back.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Welcome back to the country. Twenty eight away from one.
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
Awkward? Awkward subject, Michelle, Let's get on to sport.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Sport with Asco Kiwi to the bone since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, it is awkward for blocks to talk about stuff
like that. Now, where's my story on the Pope? I
think it was at the twelve PM bulletin. I love
this story. So the new Pope, this is someone at
the sports department split a bit of time into this.
The new Pope has held caught with a sinner. Self
confessed tennis fan, Leo the fourteenth is settling into his
(21:57):
new role at the same time as the Italian Open
player out in Rome the Tennis Open. Of course, He's
met with local world number one Yannick Sinner at the Vatican,
the three and then the Catholic Church boss indicated that
his all white paper attire would meet the dress code
for one particular major. And I think the tennis mad
(22:19):
Pope is talking about Wimbledon. They're not the Italian Open. Now,
let's see what's happened in the twelve thirty bulletin oh
I'm looking forward to this. A test of strength and
accuracy looms at Golf's PGA Championship Major, which tea is
off tonight at Quayle Hollow in North Carolina. Ryan Fox
is away at eleven o five. I'll have to stay
(22:40):
up and watch Foxy tee off. After wild weather saw
him play just a single early morning practice round in solitude,
he hasn't had the same lead in as some of
those other players. Really looking forward to that one. Rory
McElroy's won four times at Quayle Hollow, even though Scottie
Scheffler is the favorite there. And we've got a Laidlaw
(23:01):
coming up A wee bit later in the show. Clark Laidlaw,
Hurricanes coach, has an intriguing first five selection tussle. At
the back end of Super Rugby, Brett Cameron's return from
an acl knee injury ahead of schedule and is on
the bench against the Highlanders tomorrow. Go the Landers. Laidlaw's
acknowledged the success Ruben Love has had in the number
(23:22):
ten Jersey. If I was packing the team, I'd stay
with Ruben Love. What a challa, what a talent he is.
Up next Dr Jacqueline Rowath, she is one of our
leading primary sector academics Fortnightly. She writes an excellent column
(23:45):
for us on our website The Country dot co dot Nz.
Really good one this week Everything you wanted to know
about ducks. But we're afraid to ask doctor Jaqueline Rowath.
But before we get onto your column, I want to
ask you about methane and Paris, two of the buzz
subjects at the moment. We've had Joe Luxton on the show,
(24:06):
and she seems slightly confused about it, as a lot
of us are to be fear. Let's start with methane.
If we measure methane emissions using GWP star, are problems.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Over no in the short The IPCC I think report
on it, saying you could use WP staff or short
lived gases. It would because the GWP overestimates impact in
the long term, but underestimates in the short term, so
we would have a short term issue, and short term
(24:40):
might be two decades of appearing to be increasing in impact,
and that's not what we want. But of course what
Joe is concerned about is our trade deals, all of
which rely on saying we are doing everything we can
to reduce greenhouse gases. And I'm still very strongly of
the opinion that we do everything we can. Whilst saying
(25:02):
the next step is decrease food production, is that really
what you want, Because of course decreased food production will
increase prices of the food, and no government wants that.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But if we had less ruminance in the country today
than we had yesterday over any given period of time,
that must have a knit calling effect methane out.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
It's not increasing the temperature as fast. Remember, although we
keep saying, oh, half the impact is a greenf of
gases as coming from ruminant the other half and increasing
the more we bring down our ruminants is from carbon dioxide,
which is a much greater problem in terms of staying around.
(25:43):
So I tend to avoid anything like the term cooling
because we're just not increasing it at fast as we
would have done if we've got more ruminants. But the
other thing that David Train, because we're often quoting David,
pointed out is that our starting point wile Alon was
in there as well. Our starting point is crucial. We
had no ruminants in New Zealand in before the eighteen hundreds.
(26:07):
What's our starting point at the moment? It varies around
the world between twenty seventeen or two thousand and five,
or or do we go back to Kyoso? And all
of these the metrics, the goals, the time frame are
very important in these calculations. So I would come back
to having the high ground, which is we are doing
everything we can. What we have done is lose productive
(26:31):
land to forests, which are only a short term solution.
And while we're doing everything we can, we know that
you people in supermarkets do not wish to pay more
for food, so we're doing everything we can. Our next
step is reducing food production, which is not what the
world wants, so supports in what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
What about Paris and are out.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
We need to be in at the moment?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Absolutely? What about David? What about David Seymour comment? And
I find this very interesting. Heces Ultimately the cost of
staying in could be greater than the penalty for getting out.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Well, I think we'd lose an awful lot of sanction
of public license if we pulled out, So I don't
think that's a good idea, and we just need to
go on using the Paris Agreement statement that we're doing
everything we can to reduce greenhouse gases without reducing food production.
(27:32):
That is should be what number one stunts without reducing
food production, because everybody is concerned about the price of food.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Let's finish on your column on our website, The Country
dot co dot n Z. On ducks, I mean, I
knew they were a pest, but I didn't realize there
were such a big pest. To Jacqueline, the numbers around
ducks aren't flesh.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
No, there are a lot of them. They're making our
gray duck en danger in a lot of areas, particularly
in urban places, and everybody we love ducks. They make
great noise, and the ducklings acute, but they're little bug bombs,
and their fecal contamination output is not just what they're eating,
(28:14):
it's what's growing in their feces, and they have a
phenomenally high bacterial loading. So that's what's doing the worst
things in terms of E. Coli to our rivers. And
there's been lots of good work by ESR looking at
where the problems are coming from in terms of river contamination.
And so of course we need to leave everybody with
(28:35):
the message that you don't swim during or for a
couple of days after the heavy rain for all sorts
of reasons, but one of them is bacterial loading. But
duck loading of E. Coli and swans and Canada geese
for candelabacta, it's there all the time, just gets worse
in big rainfalls.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Do we blame their four beers who are silly enough
to bring in gorse and silly enough to bring in
mallard ducks and rabbits and rabbits, yes, of course, rabbits.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And rabbits, yes, and now we've got wallabies. New Zealand
is unique. We know that we say it all the time,
but it has very few natural presuators for these things
that we've introduced, and we end up with unintended consequences.
And so there are various places saying that actually the
ducks shooting season if mallards were declared at pest they
(29:26):
could be destroyed when they arrived, and that actually needs
to be investigated for the safety of our environment and
our own health and our food production because they are
destroying crops.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, I look at some of the scenes from the
likes of Southland earlier in the season when those ducks
were like a plague of locusts on some of those crops.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Just awful. And we've had similar things up in the
Waikato up from the High Final. They talk about not
being able to grow chickory because it's just too delicious.
They paradise do just arrive and take it out. And
we know that the Canada geese around Lake Ellesmere, well
there's a lot of your bug contamination. So yes, we
(30:10):
need to be logical about what we're actually trying to achieve.
And if the people who want to preserve ducks are
prepared to offset the cost to the ultimate consumer or
to the farmer, that's fine, But I suspect they're not.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Hey, Jacquelin, the geese aren't the only pests. Like Ellesmere.
There's those people with their drones.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Ah, well that too. But was it a bird or
was it a plane or was it just spy can.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Well it fell from the sky. The ultimate solution anyhow,
get myself in trouble if I say anything more, doctor Jaquelin.
Rowe people can read all about ducks and the damage
they're doing to our environment on your excellent column on
our website The Country dot co dot in Z.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
See you later, lovely.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Thanks by.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Thank you Jacquelin. It's being on on quarter away from
one up. Next a couple of young entrepreneurs Seb Chapman,
Sean Laidlaw and farm succession. The average age of farmers
(31:18):
in New Zealand is in the late fifties, which makes
farm succession a real challenge and a concern. Well, two
young entrepreneurs have got together and have come up hopefully
with a solution. Sebastian or SEB Chapman and Sean Laidlaw
to start with. I'm going to start with you Sean,
because I read on your bio you're a laid law
(31:40):
from Western Southland. Now that rings a lot of bells
for me. Are you in a relation to former All
Black Kevin and Southland Great Paul who I used to
play a lot of footy with.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Yeah, I am so that's my uncle, my grandfather.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, did you get the footy gene or did you
just get the brains gene?
Speaker 9 (31:59):
I certainly didn't any of the footage jeens and plenty
of my mates will say on what I for.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Al ad it?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Okay, well, certainly you're a bright young man along with
your mate Sebastian Chapman. Now, Seb, I think you're involved
in Future Farmers. You're based in Wanaka. So tell me
how you two got together and what's your solution to
the age old problem of farm succession. I'll stick with you, Seb.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Mate, So we got seed Up about a year ago.
I sort of put a loose idea of seedling out
into the market to see sort of what the response
was going to be, and then Sean reached out and
had actually been sort of working on something similar. So
we thought, you know, better than going against each other,
we may as well team up and do it right,
(32:43):
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So what is seedling? Is it a venture fund or
is it going to be a program or an app?
How are you going to get this into the market
and how does it work? I'll stick with you again, Seb.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Yes, so we're primarily a private equityiness and the whole
concept is really based around getting skin in the game
for young farmers and sort of building their equity position
in the farm. It's sort of grounded in a lot
of economic fundamentals, I guess, and we're I guess. The
(33:17):
primary contract that we mainly use is somewhat based off
an equity partnership, but we've engineered and a few other
little mechanisms so that the young farmer can grow their
stake quicker than they would normally, and it also provides
a better return for investors because the incentives are aligned
across the board.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know, now that explains your background. You studied software
engineering and economics Massive University, Sean Laidlaw, you went to
Auckland University. You're continuing your studies. You're almost through an
MBA on rural banking and why it's underfunded. Have you
got any answers there?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's still a work in progress, but yeah,
there's a few interesting points I think, I mean, particularly
around some of the risk matrixes that banks used in
career requirements for young farmers. I mean, obviously we discussed
the sort of generational shift that's probably going to happen
over the next five or ten years. And it's a
(34:16):
lot of cash I guess for young farmers to come
up with whether they want to buy the family farm
or buy a different farm. And so I guess our
solution is to try and alleviate some of these pain points.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So, how is seedling different, Sean Laidlaw, from an equity partnership,
getting the family involved or doing succession through that? What's
the difference? Why is your program or model going to
be easier?
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I think I think there is a discerning growing number
of farmers that you don't have a family farm, right,
so that alleviates or gets rid of the option of
slowly buying in over time to the family farm. And
so what we want to do is make it a
real clear path way for these guys to come in
at a smaller starting point, but know that over time
(35:05):
they have the right to acquire more shares and a
bigger piece of the pie in that farm and really
come along for the journey as we develop some of
these farms and some of the practices behind how we
want to operate.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So, Sean, is this all about the existing farmer leaving
vendor finance in there?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I mean, that's certainly one option, and we've been greatly
supported by our first farm under management to do that.
They've believers, I guess in what we're trying to achieve
and the problem, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
We're obviously raising capital externally to go out into the
market and acquire further farms.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So yeah, you both got a good farming background, or
you certainly have. Seb you were born into a farming family.
In horror, Fanua, I think you've worked off or in Australia,
spent many an hour on a tractor. And is it
right that you actually worked under Mike Casey, the electric
cherry guy?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
It is?
Speaker 10 (36:04):
It is Mike and I worked on a software company
called fruit Winder, so yeah, I was working on data
collection in the cherry orchards. So yeah, have had a
good working relationship with Mike for a few years now.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, he's a wonderfully interesting character. And Sean Laidlaw West
and Southland, they're all farmers over there. What's your farming connection?
Speaker 9 (36:29):
Mostly get through the family. I mean, you wouldn't want
me just been too long on a farm, if I'm honest,
But you know, I've always kept it pretty close to
my heart and getting out to see family on farms
and I guess understanding the challenges that they face.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Will you guys have seedling at field Days? If people
are listening to this and thinking farm succession is a
bit of a chore, especially in our operation, are you
going to be there? Can you offer them a solution?
Speaker 10 (36:59):
Yep, we will definitely be there. We don't have a stall,
but I'll be floating around so people can reach out
and sewan. Hopefully you'll be able to make it down
to Good.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
On you, hey, Sebastian Chapman, Sean laid Lord, Thanks for
your time. Make yourselves known to us at field Days.
I look forward to meeting you in person. We'll be
broadcasting right inside the front door of the main pavilion.
You won't better miss us, you won't about to get
away from us, So look forward to meeting you at
field Days. Good luck in your new venture seedling awesome today.
(37:30):
Thanks guys, and if you want to join us at
field Day's text Field Days with your name and where
you're listening from to five double nine up. Next we
wrap your feedback. Just wrapping the country with some of
your feedback on ducks. Ducks in south on this year
(37:51):
weren't just out of control, they were in plague proportions,
it says our Texter, a mate of mine, had between
ten and fifteen thousand, and the p qually was drilling wheat. Yes,
they are a pist and talking about pists, we'll have
one on the show tomorrow, Jeremy Rocks. We'll catch you back.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Then catch all the latest from the land. It's the
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