September 10, 2025 • 37 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Wayne Langford, Winston Peters, Kevin Mortensen, and Dr David Burger.
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It's a song he wrote about nine eleven. Now, before
you text me angrily and say it's not really nine
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to eleven American time, that's tomorrow. I just thought it's
a good theme for today's show. We might get two
days of nine to eleven. And of course they've had
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. More about that with our
second guest on the show today, New Zealand first leader
Foreign Minister, former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters. We're going
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to kick it off though, with the President of Federated Farmers,
who's a very, very busy man. Not only is he
the President of Federated Farmers, he's the acting chief executive
and he's flat out carving Wayne Yolo Langford to kick
off proceedings. The other big story out there domestically is,
of course the Tom Phillips story. Plpo a beautiful little
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town and the King Country's been right in the heart
of it for all the wrong reasons really, And we're
going to go there and chat to Kevin Mortensen, who's
the PGG Rights and Regional Livestock Manager for the Kin
Country Talpo regions. I think he lives. I think he
lives on the main street of pop. I should know
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that I've stayed at his place for a golf tournament
right across the road from the PGG Rights and store
that was raided tragically earlier in the week. Also, we
missed him yesterday. We will get him today. Doctor David Berger,
Can plantain be the savior when it comes to nitrate leeching? Now?
And if I can talk till twelve fifteen and I'm
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sure I can. Without between me and Yolo, Wayne Lanthor,
I'm sure we can. I'll be able to name the
All Black team, which is embargoed until twelve fifteen. I
don't want to break the embargo, but we'll name that
team for you as soon as we tick over twelve fifteen.
I think you're going to like it. I think it's
a good All Black side to face the South Africans
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in the second Test at the cake Tin. Let's kick
it off though, with the President acting CEO of Federated Farmers,
Do you get time to do any farming these days,
Wayne Langford.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Stone, Jamie, Yeah, I do, and I have been a
bit over the last few weeks. Year week have and
fast here on the farm. So I've certainly got my
hands back in the mud and been doing a bit.
But as you've mentioned, it's been a busy time for
me over the last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I betch it has you doing about three people's work.
Just going back to my theme for today, nine to eleven.
It's nine eleven our time. Where were you? What were
you doing?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'm probably showing my age a little bit, but I
was in my first year at Lincoln University, and I
remember I was in the Hall of the Residents and
just like when anything made your happens, ever, it comes
running around, you know, the towers have been bombed, all
the towers been crashed into whatever it was, and we
all rushed to the TV to see what was going on.
So yeah, that's where I was a Lincoln during my
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first year when it all happened.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's I often say this, it's the biggest event in
our lifetime. I think for most of us, if you know,
unless you are like Winston who was born before the
end of the Second World War, for the rest of us,
it's probably the biggest single event of our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, and I still I mean, there was
a tragic event all round, but jeez, my heart goes
that's those firefightersday that those guys that were rushing in
when everyone else was rushing out, just just brutal. So
you know, I know how hard our local fibergodes and
stuff work and what they go through to Yeah, that
was one that really stuck with me during the event,
those guys running and while everyone else was running out.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, but like that brave policeman earlier in the week. Anyhow,
I'll come back to that one. Okay, when does the
new When is the new CEO announce? Because I'm hearing
through the rumor mill that you've got a new CEO.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, we've got to We've got an inter muning place
because it does take a bit of time to find
to find the cream of the crop. So so we've
got an intermue because is because I don't want to
keep the acting role. Definitely not. I much prefer being president.
So next Monday, we've got a new guy starting. His
name's a Mike Simmons. Simmons so he's from up in
Tower right and and he's looking forward to to getting
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into the role. He signed a five month contract and yeah,
he'll be running the ship for a while to give
me a hand so that I don't have to do
two roles if he behaves himself.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Has he got a chance of a full time appointment.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, I think he's. I think he's indicated that he's
looking at that role, and so we're going out. But
I think the job advert goes out tomorrow, so there
might be a few others put their name in, but
but he certainly indicated as well that he'll be, he'll
be he'll be having a crack of the main role
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't know whether he caught up with what Jane
Smith said on the show yesterday. It was quite amusing.
Let me see if I can find the text from Jane,
he said, scrolling through his phone. Here it is here
she talks about the fascinating arms race between Seymour and
Peters to claim who's thought wort of getting out of
Paris first, which is an interesting one and I'll throw
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that at Winstone as well. But where do the feeds
officially sit on this?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, well, we voted it at our National I GEM
in late June, to stay in FEDS. Our focus was
more around the rules that we've put in place on
ourselves within our own country.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Sorry, to stay in Paris, you meant.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, to stay in Paris. Yeah yeah. And we're saying, hey,
you know, while Paris is causing some problems, that the
real issue is some of the rules that we're enforced
on ourselves. So let's get these methane targets reviewed, Let's
get proper targets. We were going, let's stop full farm
conversion of the forestry, this sort of thing let's get
these rules changed, you know, rather than worrying or about
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getting out of Paris, because once you remote, Paris is
still other recres than everything that we're associated with as well.
So yeah, it's an interesting topic and it's an interesting
one that they brought up. So I know we've got
Winston on, but later I might ask him, you know,
what they're doing to remove these rules rather than kind
of grandstanding and saying, hey, you know we're getting out
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of Paris.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
What else is coming across your desk? As the acting
CEO and current President Federated Farmers.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Well, we've got obviously a couple of months. It's always
be a couple of months from from now through through
to Christmas. Everything shuts down at Christmas, and so I
was trying to get everything done for the year. I
know my meant will Section have been working hard with
miss McLay around what's happening with forestry, where that's going. Hey,
let's get some things signed up, and I think they've
they've got pretty close, and so you might want to
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get Richard Dwkins on to have a bit of a
talk about that. Last year we did the Farmer Confidence
Tour and and so we're looking into too, seeing what
else we're going to do to finish off this year.
On top of that, we've got our National Council in November,
which is which is again quite a big couple of
days to decide that a lot of the direction and
policy and where we sit going forward. And so that's
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why I encourage courage any farmers that are members, and
certainly any farmers that are king to get involved, to
get along with to your local provincial meetings because that's
where all the decisions come from and they ultimate pan
up in Wellington for some pretty solid debate.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Twelve fourteen forty five. Am I going to break the
embargo by ten seconds? I don't think I'll get shot?
Will I?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yellow?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Do you want to hear the All Black team?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I'd love to hear it you, So here we go.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Ethan de Groot retains the loose head position Takia, who's
obviously in there for Cody Taylor who's injured. Lomax gets
to start Barrett and Vie Simon Parker again on the
blind side Artie Sava Wallace Atiti. He has perhaps a surprise. Well,
Noah Hotham's getting a start at halfback. Bowden Barrett has
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expected Jordie Billy Procter. They're persevering with Billy Procter. Will
Jordan moves to the wing to allow Damien McKay to
start at fullback. I like that. And here's the one
I really like, Yolo. They're going to give Leroy Carter
a go and that'll be his All Black staybu what
do you reckon about that starting fifteen?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, he's the fellow out of plenty of this, right,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And the seventh player run like the wind. Apparently he's
the fastest All Black and I think they should have
started him earlier. I think he's the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, No, that'll be that'll be good. Yeah, you've got
to got to have some guys that can make a
difference and and you know they can all play well,
they all I had to take away. You've got to have
some guys that can make a difference in score some
tries and so so that's that's good to hear man.
Hopefully we'll do them gets a bit more involved from
the wing as well, because he's a try scorer as well.
So and then my only other comment was, yeah, that
front row's got a bit of pressure this week. You know,
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I thought they got dominated a bit there for a
while in the game, and so so yeah, they'll be
they'll be doing some practice this week.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And you're speaking with from experience here as a rugged
and hard in front row of yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
That's right, that's right. I held I held up the
lucid side to the attacker senior beach for a couple
of years here, well when I do it?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, you also didn't you prop on the Federated Farmer's
team with your predecessor Andrew Hoggard?
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I bet you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I bet your old Hoggy would take a bit of moving.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you. You are there too. So we
came off the need of a ruck. I'm a bit
of a ballplayer, so of course I put him in
space out wide. He was, for some reason ranging on
the wing. What does Hoggie do? He cuts back in
rather than turn the wheels on and go out on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Had you ever thought that he may not back his
own pace?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
What was I?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So now it's a good day, okay, And just someone's
just texted and what about the bench. Brodie McCallister comes
on obviously it'll be his second test to Mighty Williams, Fletcher, Nell,
Fabian Holland, Duplessy, Carrethy, Finny Christy, who I reckon went
really well in Auckland as on the bench, Quinte Pire
and Reuben Love gets another crack. So I think that's
a good all black team. Well done, Razor. Just to
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finish on talking about Andrew Hoggard, your time as president
the Federated Farmers ends in June next year. What's happening
in October or November of next year? I know our
general elections. Have there been political parties knocking on your door,
just as they did for Andrew Hoggard.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
They do knock on my door, but I'm struggling at
the moment to find out.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So to Chloe, no, I won't stand for the Greens.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't know they can do with some help, because yeah, yeah,
if she can be financing and then surely I can
be something amongst that crowd. So no, no, no, There's
been a few knocking but it's I'll be honest, it's
not my interest right now and my interest in the
next nine months is making feeds as great as it
can be. So that's what I'm focusing on, and then
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after that we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well that's matha. Does it make the feeds great again?
Now that's not quite the right acrom the Hey now
and one quick one to go, I hear my hear
through the room. And well, also my name is being
sullied at Federated Farmers for showing some compassion to Lord
Stocktor Mike Joy.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, well we wonder him quite. You know, I never
realized that Jamie was going quite worko guests, but you know,
you know, in all seriousness, I think you know, the
reason why we brought it up was was probably if
if you look at what's happened today over in the States,
right like, you know, if we let statements and things
like this get out of control, then then extreme things happen.
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And we weren't wanting to, you know, beg the guy
or anything like that. We were just begging the actions
and simply saying, hey, you can't say this sort of
stuff that's not right, and and we were calling him
out on it. And I think, like I said to
Today's highlighted exactly why we were calling it out. It's
some pretty serious stuff at times.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, it's a messy place at the moment. Agree with
you there, Our next guest, thank you, Ello, thanks for
your time, good luck, enjoy your last few days as
acting CEO. Were we got Wayne langth that he's doing
a great job President of Federated Farmers acting CEO, and
he's well. I think Tyler does most of the work
on the par doesn't she. Anyhow, he's flat out carving
as well. It is nineteen after twelve. The All Black
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team has just been announced. Changes. Tyrol Yror Lomax gets
a start, Noah Hothem starts at number nine. I'm just
doing the changes here. Leroy Carter makes his All Black
debut and Damien Mackenzie to start at fullback. Will Jordan
on the right wing, I like that side, I really do.
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So more about that in sport. But up next, Yolo
referred to it, Wayne Langford referred to it this tragic
and it is tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. We're going
to talk about that nine to eleven, ditching Paris and
Stuart Nash. Why not Winston Peter's up next. As we
reflect on nine to eleven, Man, I won't.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
See any but I'm not sure I can tell you
a difference in our ray.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Just Dalan.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Twin Donna station Age.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Winston Peters is the New Zealand first leader, former Deputy
Prime Minister Winston Today is nine to eleven New Zealand time.
I realize it's tomorrow, American time, twenty four years on.
What do you reflect back on? Where were you? What
were you doing?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
I'm getting ready to go to work with my colleague
Roe Mark, the former MP and now mayor of Cartans,
rang me to say that it happened, and I found
it absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Talking about horrible things happening in the United States. We've
had the assassination of right wing youth activist Charlie Kirk,
fears of more political violence. See the world's in an
unstable place at the moment. Winston Peters, look.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
It's a tragedy, but I don't know why there driving
him as a right winger. The fact is he was
out there at universities and horse Over campuses, talking openly
to people, encouraging free debate. Here on both sides of
the story, he was always courteous, he's always meddling, and
he is worth watching. And to have him just described
as you know, right wingers, though somehow that justifies this assassination.
(15:21):
I know you've met that of what other people have said,
but I dispute that. I think that in a democracy,
people have appeared to hear beside the story are very critical.
That's the very nature of it. So, yes, it's a sad,
very very very sad event.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We are getting more extreme on either side of the
political divide. We're heading further to the right and further
to the left. And I think back to when you
entered Parliament. It was kind of national and labor and
a better social credit thrown and for good measure.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Yes, but in those days, you know, it was understood
that the politics was a place where people had serious
passions about what they believed, and so debate could be very,
very heated. But when it was over, the difference was
we'd leave the room and you were back there having
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a lunch or or having a chat with your opponent.
Half we realized that it was the debating where the made
better started and that's where it was left. But of later,
of course, I've come with a total different attitude. It's
twenty four to seven of hatred and sadly not a
willingness to have the debate or how shall I put
If you're going to put one powerful argument, you should
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prepare to hear another one from the other side if
they're able to munt one. That's what's been lost.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now let's have a look at what you've been up
to in the past week and New Zealand first Gathering
of the Faithful and Parmeister north a thousand. There. Your
big policy announcement was around key we saver and I
think everyone would probably agree that ten percent would be
an ideal level to get contributions to. You have said
it will be funded via tax cuts, but you have cost.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Of does nok? The reality is how can you cost
it when you've got And it just came out yesterday,
so many who were signed up for KIV save are
not actually saving. This is the first time there's been
a decline. This is the very last announcement made just yesterday.
So we bet the thing at the right time. And
when you say costed it, I'm saying to people, look
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at the cost of not doing it. I came here.
I came into politics in my first interest when I
was a young lawyer fifty years ago, when there was
a labor party plan, which immediately had two serious defects.
Women in the name because they weren't in the workforce,
and then volumes they are now were not included. And
the maturity time was so light. But instead of saying
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across party lines on National's part, look we'll fix it,
they got rid of it. They said it some sort
of communist plot. They own their own country, the same
sort of plan that saw Singapore when Temasek have so
much ascid well ownership in Singapore and indeed around the world.
So the trillion dollars we could have saved is not there.
And my point is you can't afford not to do it.
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And the second thing is when I hear an economic answer,
let's say this appears is going to cost between twelve
and twenty eight billion dollars, right then he doesn't know
what on earth he's talking about. Nobody would have spread
that wide, has got any ability to do the calculations.
But my point is we can't afford not to do it.
Here we are fifty years on and we need to
address it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Why have you got your head still in the sand
over the age of eligibility for National super I know
you're bark back at that, but it would seem obvious
to a blind man, Winstant Peters, that we cannot afford
to keep it at sixty five years of age.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Yes, and here you go, you're just accepting that the
party you've backed in this economic failures, in this neoliberal
experiment of Ruth Richison, has not been successful. And therefore
the economy that can easily afford five percent if it
was running properly, can't because it's not running properly. Now
skip the economy fixed up and not trying to blame
other people. Look, let me tell you this. In New
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zeal superinhuation was made for everybody so that everybody would
be equal, who after some cases forty five years of
a hard work went titled to retire with some dignity
and grace. We said. So, then we've even raised it
from twenty to twenty five, from sixty to sixty five.
And now you start saying the same thing over again,
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because instead of addressing your own failures as politicians, that
is running us better and much high performing economy, which
we should do and which we once did. Remember the
Health in days a very layer party and then the National
Party in the forties and the fifties, where we were
tripping along a GDP growth of five and a half
percent year upon year upon year. We met ourselves within
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the top two or three economies in the world. We
were voted to be the best Monday colomy in the
world nineteen fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Two, nineteen fifty two. As you well know, Korean wall
boom unhindered access to Mother England. They would take everything
we could produce. We live in different times.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
No, no, no, no, no, you did well until he
said that, because after the three and war was over,
Then what's your expect nation? Fifty seven to fifty eight,
sixty sixty one, sixty three, sixty five all the way
sixty nine, what's your explanation now? No Korean war? Then no, no, sorry. Look,
every time you try and say how one isn't successful,
they say things like the beer or when you say
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Singapore's assists say, oh, it's their location, or when you
talk about or they're in the EU, oh yes, and
so all the rest of the countries in the EU.
But the island was for many years after the early
eighties a standout success story. They went to the bottom
and they decided I will do we'll start duplicating what
countries like Taiwan or time is like Taiwan and Singapore
are doing it much to their serious credit. We've got
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a good repon ownership and known up to our failures
for goodness sake, and only then can we start getting
it right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Okay, just wanted to finish on. One of my correspondents
yesterday talked about the rush to come out of the
climate change closet, the fascinating arms race between Seymour and
Peters to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first?
Who did think of that first?
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I wish you guys in the mainstam me to do
some home work. Go and look at it. No, no,
don't laugh. Go and looked at the third reading, right,
Go and look at the third reading that brought this
matter into legislation as a result of the National Party
sending Bennett over to Paris to sign up. And there
is no non vote, there's no demur So the first
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person that the raised it recently was me in an
interview on the thirty first of January issue. I said, look,
if four nations China, India, USA and Russia are not
part of it. Now, sixty percent of the missions. How
can we not be questioning whether this is Bible anymore?
I raised the issue, and yes, what imitation's the most
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sincere form of plattery? Outcomes another party and starts saying
the same thing for the chronology. I'll give you ten
thousand dollars to bet that I'm right and that somebody
else is in imitation mode? Are you disputing it? No,
you're not. So here's some facts there, So.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You thought of it first?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
There?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, of course you and David can be friends.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Oh look, now, look, let me tell you. We expect
in politics to make your contribution with your own inside
internal thinking. You cannot progress if you see some other
colleague a party with a better writing you started to
see it and claim it as yours, because it just
won't work. It doesn't work towards good, foolish and arrangements.
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But I realize that some people are new in their
inexperienced and they've got a lot to learn.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What dictates you being a member of the mainstream media?
And is that an insult if you are a member
of the mainstream media, No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
There are some seriously good people in the mainstream media.
But in my and having analyzed it as their producers
and the people behind them who are not letting them
do the job of it, not giving them time and
resources for proper research and investigative journalism. I don't just
blame the mainstream media. I'm saying that people behind them
are not the mind quality sentence that we were once
proud of. I can recall the press galloy in this
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country used to be the pinnacle of the profession. Now
they've got people turn a turtle out of journalism school.
It won't do it talking about an economy. We're talking
about politics, something that put twenty four seven controls everybody's life.
So we better have with this and report what's going on.
That's all I'm trying to say to you. Present company accepted.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, thank you. What are you going to do with
Stuart Nash quick final question?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Well, he's apologized for making a mistake. He realizes that.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Was a bit of a clanger. Though I know that
that you're you've got impeccable manners and etiquette. You would
never ever utter that from your lips.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
It's a clanger. But as I said to him when
he called me up to I said, thinking that's something
when you get out of pology and all reactions don't
realize the studency and everything that's important. So if you
want to be back in the political game, then the
rules apply and they play now. But he apologize and
for I said to him, I think the person you're
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most worried about what your wife thinks. And he said yes.
I said, are you on? Are you living on the
count for the next month or worth that effect?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No, he's got it.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
People make mistakes. However, this is the good part. He
freely opened up to it and apologized unreservedly.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Winston Peters, thanks for your time today on the Country,
always informative and entertaining.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
No, thank you, good luck.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yes, it is twenty six away from one. You're with
the country, Winston says, a Texter's sounding like an old
dinosaur living in the past. We can learn from the past,
but we can't live in it. Let it go and
move forward.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Another one says Jamie, Please tell mister Peters he won't
get my vote if Nash is in his team. That's
from Joan. And here's someone else saying and saying they
are persevering with Billy Proctor. Shows your lack of understanding
of midfield play. I'd beg to differ on that one. Look,
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we're all critics, we're all armchair critics. That's what we
pay as Sky sub for. I think even Billy Proctor
would admit he probably hasn't made the impact in the
thirteen Jersey that he would a hope for I love
Jordi in twelve. I'm just not quite sure that Billy
Proctor is the answer in thirteen. Maybe I'm wrong, but
I'm very pleased to see Leroy Carter get a run
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on the number eleven Jersey. We'll take a break. Michelle's
in here. We'll do rural news for you, and then
we'll update the sports news, including that all black team
with a new debutante, Leroy Carter, the seventh Star getting
a start in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Some love that's world you better. I'm just a singer
of simple songs. I'm not a real political man. I want,
but I'm not sure I can tell you a difference
in Iraq.
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Welcome back to the country to you. I like Alan Jackson.
It is twenty two and a half away from one.
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Ze Zealand. King Salmon has confirmed it has brought a
multimillion dollar commercial site at Cloudy Bay Business Park and
Blenham Chief executive Carl Carrington says that processing would eventually
move to the new site from Nelson as the company
look to expand its Blue Endeavor project. The company brought
the site for eight point one four million, and Carrington
had also said development was at least three years away
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with no immediate changes for its Nelson factory or stuff.
And that's for real news. You can find more at
the Country dot co dot ZI. Here's Jamie the sport.
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Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
As we talked about earlier, the All Blacks will cap
their ninth debutante of twenty twenty five when former seven
star Leroy Carter starts on the left wing against South
Africa and Wellington this Saturday night. Damien McKenzie starts at
fullback and how good was he in Auckland, Well Jordan.
Shifting to the right wing, Samasoni Tuckyaho at hooker obviously,
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Cody Taylor's out injured, A, Tyrol Lomack's prop and Noah
Hotham at halfback are the other changes to the starting lineup.
And the other big sporting story out there today is
Netball New Zealand's call to stand down Silverfern Farms. I
always want to say Silverfern Farms. Silver Ferns coach Dame
(27:44):
Noline taraua has former players and coaches bristling. Former Silverfern
Margie Foster is outraged Tarua won't be coaching in the
upcoming tests against South Africa, and former Ferns coach evonn
Willering reckons the timing is bizarre. I'd agree with you
on that one, Yvonne. That's your sports news. Up next,
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we're off the Popo.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Anology.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Very God.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Just dlling monthly here on the country. We catch up
with the team from PGG writes and to look at
the state of the rural livestock markets. Today we're heading
to tak ow Eddi. Although he lives down the road
in the town called Popo, which is obviously in the
news at the moment. He's the regional livestock manager for
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King Country, Talpo Regions, Kevin Morty Mortensen, and I understand
your hometown is flooded with media and cops. What a
tough time for your little town.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, it certainly has, Jamie. It's all of a sudden.
We were certainly hit hit the world map for all
the wrong reasons. But let's just hope, you know, what
happens happened, and everything is behind us now and we
can just look forward and carry on as a normal life.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So what are the locals saying about this? There are
some ghastly rumors circulating. Whether they're true or not, I
do not know, but I mean, this thing could not
get any uglier.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
You're right and look at and I won't speculate and
say too much on that at all though, Jamie, like
I say, it's not for me to say, you know
what's happened. It's the only association we.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Had with it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Really is the store as to what happened there. And yeah,
we'll just leave it to the past to be as
to what's happened with that and where they're going to
go with it in the future.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Okay, On a brighter note, you've been a stock agent
for four decades, have you ever known livestock the market
for red meat animals, obviously sheep and beef to be
better than that is at the moment.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
No, I've never never seen it so strong. And you know,
we only have to go back eighteen months or so
ago and look at where it was to how quick
to where it is. And yeah, as soon we've seen
it in a big upturn in it, you know, and
may it continue. It's sort of, you know, all of
a sudden, ten dollars and what have you on mutton
and nine dollars and all that on beef. And like
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I say, I hope it can can stay where it
is for the next two to three years anyway, because
it's certainly positive and all of these farmers for many
years have have had it tough, and it's about time
they saw some positives through and some good times ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I think you might have misspoke there. You said ten
dollars for mutton. I think you meant ten dollars for lamb.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Lamb, sorry lamb.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Now that's all right. Well, mutton's worth a bit as well,
you know, of all the red meat categories, and I
think beef's the strongest.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
And like I said, but it all comes back to
probably numbers too. It's probably got a bit of it there.
You know, they were strugging to fill space at the
works or any killable stock around. They're just not there.
There's been more carves and all that red this year
trying to make up the slack, and so it's just
a lot of it is a numbers game, and you
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know where can we get the numbers back up to
where they need to be.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, I know there's a lot of beef calves being
read even in the dairy system. There the problem that
we're hearing so that we're running out of milk powder.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, no, that is a concern. There's been a lot
of calves purchased with not a lot of homework and
is making certain that that secured milk powder. It's a
real sort it's not just for some PGG items, it's
all retailers. It's a real genuine concern with the shortage
that is out there. But it just goes to show,
you know that everybody's prepared and thinking the job is
looking pretty good, and prepared to wear a few calves
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to make up the slack.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Now you're based in a popo, I'm based in Duneda,
and I flew from christ Church down to Dunedin this morning.
Be fair to say the Southern Alps have had a
bit of a dusting. September is always a challenging month.
September wouldn't be September if it wasn't. But it's been
cold for a lot of the country and I understand
in the king Country region or your region, you're pretty
sure to feed.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Yeah, very short as we speak, Jamie. Like I said,
there were snowing down on the Desert Road there last night,
so things are pretty cold. We've had probably forty plus
frosts for the winter and we're still struggling from the
drought and the big dry we head back in the autumn.
We haven't got the standing hay on the hills. It's
just we do need some warm rain and we need
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some growth, and we need it pretty quick. To be fair.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yes, bleak times in po Po at the moment, and
we've talked about those. But on a brighton note, I reckon,
you've got one of the best little golf courses in
the country. You run lots of good tournaments there. How
are you hitting it well?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Actually, that's one positive I suppose Jamie. With the frost
and everything, it's actually firmed the ground up. So I'm
probably getting another thirty or forty meters distance on the drives.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And so you're getting at out two hundred and eighty
meters now.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I'm probably getting it about one sixty. You know my
game one sixty and all in the wrong direction too.
So yeah, well we'll wait till the grass grows and
then might slow things down a little bit for me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, you enjoy your weekend coming up on the Popo
Golf Club and good luck to your a wonderful little
town in the king Country there to recover and get
on with life.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Thanks Jamie, appreciate that, mate, Thanks having me on the show.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Thirteen. I way from one up next David Well, Dr
David Berger from Darryen zed could plantain b as savior?
That's up next. I'm just a sayer. Last week on
the Country, you might remember we were talking about the
beloved or our beloved Dr Mike Joy banging on about
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nitrate leeching into waterways. Does he have a fair point
and does the solution or could the solution lie in
a simple plant called plantain? Let's ask the newly announced
darien Zed Chief Science and Innovation Officer, Doctor David Berger,
as one academic judging another is Mike Joy barking up
(33:57):
the wrong tree?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
David, Look, I think it's important that there's been a
lot of progress in this space over the last fifteen years.
Our farms are operating at very different levels of nitrogen
loss today is what we were in the past, and
we've had a real focus on farm solutions to and
mitigations and catchment scale action to try and reduce our
nitrogen footprints, and our science are showing that in many
parts of the country those nitrogen levels in terms of
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what's lost from the farm is significantly lower today than
what it has been in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You guys have been running trials at Lincoln University and
Massi University, for instance, the Lincoln trial showing a twenty
six percent reduction in night trade with an average of
seventeen percent of ecotain plant pain in the pasture, similar
levels for the Massy University trial. So these are pretty
good results.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, that's right, And I think this research has been
all about providing farmers with low cost options to reduce
their nitrogen footprint and stay profitable. And certainly a few
years into that research program, now built off a lot
of research before that, we are seeing really good results
in terms of those nitrogen reductions.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's all very well putting plantain into your pastures, and
I remember this back from my days as a farmer.
You've got to keep it persisting. What do you have
to continually run short rotation pasture mixers and renewing your pasture.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
And look, that's an important part of the program as well,
understanding how we can maintain those plantain levels across the
sport and certainly in the Canterbury Farms study at the
moment it's showing that ten to fifteen percent of plantain
across the whole farm is quite achievable by including it
as part of your seed mixed, as part of pasture renewal,
as part of broadcasting and what have you as well.
(35:37):
But certainly a big part of this program is not
only about the science for reducing nitrogen, it's also about
the farm systems implications and how we can manage that
best and support the use of this technology across the
farm system.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So plantain can reduce nitrogen leaching into waterways, what effect
does it have on the cow's diet. Can it reduce
methane emissions?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Some of those aspects are also being looked at as
part of the program, but certainly a real focus on
that nitrogen reduction potential that has shown up in a
really good result so far.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Hey doctor David Berger, thanks for your time today. Congratulations
on the promotion. You are now dairy en Z's chief
Science and Innovation officer. Well done.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Thanks. Jamie to very had.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
A wrapping the country for a Thursday. That All Black
team has been named. They'll cap their ninth debutante for
twenty twenty five when former seven star Leroy Carter starts
on the left wing against the South Africans capton on
Saturday night. Damien McKenzie starts at fullback, Will Jordan's shifting
to the right wing. SAMASONI Tuckaho, isn't it hooker for
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Cody Taylor who's injured. Yror Lomax gets a startup prop
Noah Hotham at halfback. Are the other changes to the
starting lineup. I think it's a good All Black side.
Very excited that my man Leroy Carter is got a run.
Run Leroy run. We'll see you tomorrow. Gros a man.
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This is where were you when the world stopped turning.
It's a song he wrote about nine eleven. Now, before
you text me angrily and say it's not really nine
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to eleven American time, that's tomorrow. I just thought it's
a good theme for today's show. We might get two
days of nine to eleven. And of course they've had
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. More about that with our
second guest on the show today, New Zealand first leader
Foreign Minister, former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters. We're going
(01:26):
to kick it off though, with the President of Federated Farmers,
who's a very, very busy man. Not only is he
the President of Federated Farmers, he's the acting chief executive
and he's flat out carving Wayne Yolo Langford to kick
off proceedings. The other big story out there domestically is,
of course the Tom Phillips story. Plpo a beautiful little
(01:48):
town and the King Country's been right in the heart
of it for all the wrong reasons really, And we're
going to go there and chat to Kevin Mortensen, who's
the PGG Rights and Regional Livestock Manager for the Kin
Country Talpo regions. I think he lives. I think he
lives on the main street of pop. I should know
(02:09):
that I've stayed at his place for a golf tournament
right across the road from the PGG Rights and store
that was raided tragically earlier in the week. Also, we
missed him yesterday. We will get him today. Doctor David Berger,
Can plantain be the savior when it comes to nitrate leeching? Now?
And if I can talk till twelve fifteen and I'm
(02:31):
sure I can. Without between me and Yolo, Wayne Lanthor,
I'm sure we can. I'll be able to name the
All Black team, which is embargoed until twelve fifteen. I
don't want to break the embargo, but we'll name that
team for you as soon as we tick over twelve fifteen.
I think you're going to like it. I think it's
a good All Black side to face the South Africans
(02:54):
in the second Test at the cake Tin. Let's kick
it off though, with the President acting CEO of Federated Farmers,
Do you get time to do any farming these days,
Wayne Langford.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Stone, Jamie, Yeah, I do, and I have been a
bit over the last few weeks. Year week have and
fast here on the farm. So I've certainly got my
hands back in the mud and been doing a bit.
But as you've mentioned, it's been a busy time for
me over the last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I betch it has you doing about three people's work.
Just going back to my theme for today, nine to eleven.
It's nine eleven our time. Where were you? What were
you doing?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'm probably showing my age a little bit, but I
was in my first year at Lincoln University, and I
remember I was in the Hall of the Residents and
just like when anything made your happens, ever, it comes
running around, you know, the towers have been bombed, all
the towers been crashed into whatever it was, and we
all rushed to the TV to see what was going on.
So yeah, that's where I was a Lincoln during my
(03:57):
first year when it all happened.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's I often say this, it's the biggest event in
our lifetime. I think for most of us, if you know,
unless you are like Winston who was born before the
end of the Second World War, for the rest of us,
it's probably the biggest single event of our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, and I still I mean, there was
a tragic event all round, but jeez, my heart goes
that's those firefightersday that those guys that were rushing in
when everyone else was rushing out, just just brutal. So
you know, I know how hard our local fibergodes and
stuff work and what they go through to Yeah, that
was one that really stuck with me during the event,
those guys running and while everyone else was running out.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, but like that brave policeman earlier in the week. Anyhow,
I'll come back to that one. Okay, when does the
new When is the new CEO announce? Because I'm hearing
through the rumor mill that you've got a new CEO.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, we've got to We've got an inter muning place
because it does take a bit of time to find
to find the cream of the crop. So so we've
got an intermue because is because I don't want to
keep the acting role. Definitely not. I much prefer being president.
So next Monday, we've got a new guy starting. His
name's a Mike Simmons. Simmons so he's from up in
Tower right and and he's looking forward to to getting
(05:14):
into the role. He signed a five month contract and yeah,
he'll be running the ship for a while to give
me a hand so that I don't have to do
two roles if he behaves himself.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Has he got a chance of a full time appointment.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, I think he's. I think he's indicated that he's
looking at that role, and so we're going out. But
I think the job advert goes out tomorrow, so there
might be a few others put their name in, but
but he certainly indicated as well that he'll be, he'll
be he'll be having a crack of the main role
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't know whether he caught up with what Jane
Smith said on the show yesterday. It was quite amusing.
Let me see if I can find the text from Jane,
he said, scrolling through his phone. Here it is here
she talks about the fascinating arms race between Seymour and
Peters to claim who's thought wort of getting out of
Paris first, which is an interesting one and I'll throw
(06:04):
that at Winstone as well. But where do the feeds
officially sit on this?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, well, we voted it at our National I GEM
in late June, to stay in FEDS. Our focus was
more around the rules that we've put in place on
ourselves within our own country.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Sorry, to stay in Paris, you meant.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, to stay in Paris. Yeah yeah. And we're saying, hey,
you know, while Paris is causing some problems, that the
real issue is some of the rules that we're enforced
on ourselves. So let's get these methane targets reviewed, Let's
get proper targets. We were going, let's stop full farm
conversion of the forestry, this sort of thing let's get
these rules changed, you know, rather than worrying or about
(06:47):
getting out of Paris, because once you remote, Paris is
still other recres than everything that we're associated with as well.
So yeah, it's an interesting topic and it's an interesting
one that they brought up. So I know we've got
Winston on, but later I might ask him, you know,
what they're doing to remove these rules rather than kind
of grandstanding and saying, hey, you know we're getting out
(07:09):
of Paris.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
What else is coming across your desk? As the acting
CEO and current President Federated Farmers.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Well, we've got obviously a couple of months. It's always
be a couple of months from from now through through
to Christmas. Everything shuts down at Christmas, and so I
was trying to get everything done for the year. I
know my meant will Section have been working hard with
miss McLay around what's happening with forestry, where that's going. Hey,
let's get some things signed up, and I think they've
they've got pretty close, and so you might want to
(07:38):
get Richard Dwkins on to have a bit of a
talk about that. Last year we did the Farmer Confidence
Tour and and so we're looking into too, seeing what
else we're going to do to finish off this year.
On top of that, we've got our National Council in November,
which is which is again quite a big couple of
days to decide that a lot of the direction and
policy and where we sit going forward. And so that's
(08:02):
why I encourage courage any farmers that are members, and
certainly any farmers that are king to get involved, to
get along with to your local provincial meetings because that's
where all the decisions come from and they ultimate pan
up in Wellington for some pretty solid debate.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Twelve fourteen forty five. Am I going to break the
embargo by ten seconds? I don't think I'll get shot?
Will I?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yellow?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Do you want to hear the All Black team?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I'd love to hear it you, So here we go.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Ethan de Groot retains the loose head position Takia, who's
obviously in there for Cody Taylor who's injured. Lomax gets
to start Barrett and Vie Simon Parker again on the
blind side Artie Sava Wallace Atiti. He has perhaps a surprise. Well,
Noah Hotham's getting a start at halfback. Bowden Barrett has
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expected Jordie Billy Procter. They're persevering with Billy Procter. Will
Jordan moves to the wing to allow Damien McKay to
start at fullback. I like that. And here's the one
I really like, Yolo. They're going to give Leroy Carter
a go and that'll be his All Black staybu what
do you reckon about that starting fifteen?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, he's the fellow out of plenty of this, right,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And the seventh player run like the wind. Apparently he's
the fastest All Black and I think they should have
started him earlier. I think he's the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, No, that'll be that'll be good. Yeah, you've got
to got to have some guys that can make a
difference and and you know they can all play well,
they all I had to take away. You've got to have
some guys that can make a difference in score some
tries and so so that's that's good to hear man.
Hopefully we'll do them gets a bit more involved from
the wing as well, because he's a try scorer as well.
So and then my only other comment was, yeah, that
front row's got a bit of pressure this week. You know,
(09:44):
I thought they got dominated a bit there for a
while in the game, and so so yeah, they'll be
they'll be doing some practice this week.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And you're speaking with from experience here as a rugged
and hard in front row of yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
That's right, that's right. I held I held up the
lucid side to the attacker senior beach for a couple
of years here, well when I do it?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, you also didn't you prop on the Federated Farmer's
team with your predecessor Andrew Hoggard?
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I bet you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I bet your old Hoggy would take a bit of moving.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you. You are there too. So we
came off the need of a ruck. I'm a bit
of a ballplayer, so of course I put him in
space out wide. He was, for some reason ranging on
the wing. What does Hoggie do? He cuts back in
rather than turn the wheels on and go out on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Had you ever thought that he may not back his
own pace?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
What was I?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So now it's a good day, okay, And just someone's
just texted and what about the bench. Brodie McCallister comes
on obviously it'll be his second test to Mighty Williams, Fletcher, Nell,
Fabian Holland, Duplessy, Carrethy, Finny Christy, who I reckon went
really well in Auckland as on the bench, Quinte Pire
and Reuben Love gets another crack. So I think that's
a good all black team. Well done, Razor. Just to
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finish on talking about Andrew Hoggard, your time as president
the Federated Farmers ends in June next year. What's happening
in October or November of next year? I know our
general elections. Have there been political parties knocking on your door,
just as they did for Andrew Hoggard.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
They do knock on my door, but I'm struggling at
the moment to find out.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So to Chloe, no, I won't stand for the Greens.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't know they can do with some help, because yeah, yeah,
if she can be financing and then surely I can
be something amongst that crowd. So no, no, no, There's
been a few knocking but it's I'll be honest, it's
not my interest right now and my interest in the
next nine months is making feeds as great as it
can be. So that's what I'm focusing on, and then
(11:44):
after that we'll see what happens from there.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well that's matha. Does it make the feeds great again?
Now that's not quite the right acrom the Hey now
and one quick one to go, I hear my hear
through the room. And well, also my name is being
sullied at Federated Farmers for showing some compassion to Lord
Stocktor Mike Joy.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, well we wonder him quite. You know, I never
realized that Jamie was going quite worko guests, but you know,
you know, in all seriousness, I think you know, the
reason why we brought it up was was probably if
if you look at what's happened today over in the States,
right like, you know, if we let statements and things
like this get out of control, then then extreme things happen.
(12:24):
And we weren't wanting to, you know, beg the guy
or anything like that. We were just begging the actions
and simply saying, hey, you can't say this sort of
stuff that's not right, and and we were calling him
out on it. And I think, like I said to
Today's highlighted exactly why we were calling it out. It's
some pretty serious stuff at times.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, it's a messy place at the moment. Agree with
you there, Our next guest, thank you, Ello, thanks for
your time, good luck, enjoy your last few days as
acting CEO. Were we got Wayne langth that he's doing
a great job President of Federated Farmers acting CEO, and
he's well. I think Tyler does most of the work
on the par doesn't she. Anyhow, he's flat out carving
as well. It is nineteen after twelve. The All Black
(13:08):
team has just been announced. Changes. Tyrol Yror Lomax gets
a start, Noah Hothem starts at number nine. I'm just
doing the changes here. Leroy Carter makes his All Black
debut and Damien Mackenzie to start at fullback. Will Jordan
on the right wing, I like that side, I really do.
(13:30):
So more about that in sport. But up next, Yolo
referred to it, Wayne Langford referred to it this tragic
and it is tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. We're going
to talk about that nine to eleven, ditching Paris and
Stuart Nash. Why not Winston Peter's up next. As we
reflect on nine to eleven, Man, I won't.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
See any but I'm not sure I can tell you
a difference in our ray.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Just Dalan.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Twin Donna station Age.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Winston Peters is the New Zealand first leader, former Deputy
Prime Minister Winston Today is nine to eleven New Zealand time.
I realize it's tomorrow, American time, twenty four years on.
What do you reflect back on? Where were you? What
were you doing?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
I'm getting ready to go to work with my colleague
Roe Mark, the former MP and now mayor of Cartans,
rang me to say that it happened, and I found
it absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Talking about horrible things happening in the United States. We've
had the assassination of right wing youth activist Charlie Kirk,
fears of more political violence. See the world's in an
unstable place at the moment. Winston Peters, look.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
It's a tragedy, but I don't know why there driving
him as a right winger. The fact is he was
out there at universities and horse Over campuses, talking openly
to people, encouraging free debate. Here on both sides of
the story, he was always courteous, he's always meddling, and
he is worth watching. And to have him just described
as you know, right wingers, though somehow that justifies this assassination.
(15:21):
I know you've met that of what other people have said,
but I dispute that. I think that in a democracy,
people have appeared to hear beside the story are very critical.
That's the very nature of it. So, yes, it's a sad,
very very very sad event.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We are getting more extreme on either side of the
political divide. We're heading further to the right and further
to the left. And I think back to when you
entered Parliament. It was kind of national and labor and
a better social credit thrown and for good measure.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Yes, but in those days, you know, it was understood
that the politics was a place where people had serious
passions about what they believed, and so debate could be very,
very heated. But when it was over, the difference was
we'd leave the room and you were back there having
(16:11):
a lunch or or having a chat with your opponent.
Half we realized that it was the debating where the made
better started and that's where it was left. But of later,
of course, I've come with a total different attitude. It's
twenty four to seven of hatred and sadly not a
willingness to have the debate or how shall I put
If you're going to put one powerful argument, you should
(16:33):
prepare to hear another one from the other side if
they're able to munt one. That's what's been lost.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now let's have a look at what you've been up
to in the past week and New Zealand first Gathering
of the Faithful and Parmeister north a thousand. There. Your
big policy announcement was around key we saver and I
think everyone would probably agree that ten percent would be
an ideal level to get contributions to. You have said
it will be funded via tax cuts, but you have cost.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Of does nok? The reality is how can you cost
it when you've got And it just came out yesterday,
so many who were signed up for KIV save are
not actually saving. This is the first time there's been
a decline. This is the very last announcement made just yesterday.
So we bet the thing at the right time. And
when you say costed it, I'm saying to people, look
(17:23):
at the cost of not doing it. I came here.
I came into politics in my first interest when I
was a young lawyer fifty years ago, when there was
a labor party plan, which immediately had two serious defects.
Women in the name because they weren't in the workforce,
and then volumes they are now were not included. And
the maturity time was so light. But instead of saying
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across party lines on National's part, look we'll fix it,
they got rid of it. They said it some sort
of communist plot. They own their own country, the same
sort of plan that saw Singapore when Temasek have so
much ascid well ownership in Singapore and indeed around the world.
So the trillion dollars we could have saved is not there.
And my point is you can't afford not to do it.
(18:09):
And the second thing is when I hear an economic answer,
let's say this appears is going to cost between twelve
and twenty eight billion dollars, right then he doesn't know
what on earth he's talking about. Nobody would have spread
that wide, has got any ability to do the calculations.
But my point is we can't afford not to do it.
Here we are fifty years on and we need to
address it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Why have you got your head still in the sand
over the age of eligibility for National super I know
you're bark back at that, but it would seem obvious
to a blind man, Winstant Peters, that we cannot afford
to keep it at sixty five years of age.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Yes, and here you go, you're just accepting that the
party you've backed in this economic failures, in this neoliberal
experiment of Ruth Richison, has not been successful. And therefore
the economy that can easily afford five percent if it
was running properly, can't because it's not running properly. Now
skip the economy fixed up and not trying to blame
other people. Look, let me tell you this. In New
(19:06):
zeal superinhuation was made for everybody so that everybody would
be equal, who after some cases forty five years of
a hard work went titled to retire with some dignity
and grace. We said. So, then we've even raised it
from twenty to twenty five, from sixty to sixty five.
And now you start saying the same thing over again,
(19:26):
because instead of addressing your own failures as politicians, that
is running us better and much high performing economy, which
we should do and which we once did. Remember the
Health in days a very layer party and then the National
Party in the forties and the fifties, where we were
tripping along a GDP growth of five and a half
percent year upon year upon year. We met ourselves within
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the top two or three economies in the world. We
were voted to be the best Monday colomy in the
world nineteen fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Two, nineteen fifty two. As you well know, Korean wall
boom unhindered access to Mother England. They would take everything
we could produce. We live in different times.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
No, no, no, no, no, you did well until he
said that, because after the three and war was over,
Then what's your expect nation? Fifty seven to fifty eight,
sixty sixty one, sixty three, sixty five all the way
sixty nine, what's your explanation now? No Korean war? Then no, no, sorry. Look,
every time you try and say how one isn't successful,
they say things like the beer or when you say
(20:22):
Singapore's assists say, oh, it's their location, or when you
talk about or they're in the EU, oh yes, and
so all the rest of the countries in the EU.
But the island was for many years after the early
eighties a standout success story. They went to the bottom
and they decided I will do we'll start duplicating what
countries like Taiwan or time is like Taiwan and Singapore
are doing it much to their serious credit. We've got
(20:45):
a good repon ownership and known up to our failures
for goodness sake, and only then can we start getting
it right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Okay, just wanted to finish on. One of my correspondents
yesterday talked about the rush to come out of the
climate change closet, the fascinating arms race between Seymour and
Peters to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first?
Who did think of that first?
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I wish you guys in the mainstam me to do
some home work. Go and look at it. No, no,
don't laugh. Go and looked at the third reading, right,
Go and look at the third reading that brought this
matter into legislation as a result of the National Party
sending Bennett over to Paris to sign up. And there
is no non vote, there's no demur So the first
(21:32):
person that the raised it recently was me in an
interview on the thirty first of January issue. I said, look,
if four nations China, India, USA and Russia are not
part of it. Now, sixty percent of the missions. How
can we not be questioning whether this is Bible anymore?
I raised the issue, and yes, what imitation's the most
(21:55):
sincere form of plattery? Outcomes another party and starts saying
the same thing for the chronology. I'll give you ten
thousand dollars to bet that I'm right and that somebody
else is in imitation mode? Are you disputing it? No,
you're not. So here's some facts there, So.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You thought of it first?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
There?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, of course you and David can be friends.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Oh look, now, look, let me tell you. We expect
in politics to make your contribution with your own inside
internal thinking. You cannot progress if you see some other
colleague a party with a better writing you started to
see it and claim it as yours, because it just
won't work. It doesn't work towards good, foolish and arrangements.
(22:37):
But I realize that some people are new in their
inexperienced and they've got a lot to learn.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What dictates you being a member of the mainstream media?
And is that an insult if you are a member
of the mainstream media, No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
There are some seriously good people in the mainstream media.
But in my and having analyzed it as their producers
and the people behind them who are not letting them
do the job of it, not giving them time and
resources for proper research and investigative journalism. I don't just
blame the mainstream media. I'm saying that people behind them
are not the mind quality sentence that we were once
proud of. I can recall the press galloy in this
(23:12):
country used to be the pinnacle of the profession. Now
they've got people turn a turtle out of journalism school.
It won't do it talking about an economy. We're talking
about politics, something that put twenty four seven controls everybody's life.
So we better have with this and report what's going on.
That's all I'm trying to say to you. Present company accepted.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, thank you. What are you going to do with
Stuart Nash quick final question?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Well, he's apologized for making a mistake. He realizes that.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Was a bit of a clanger. Though I know that
that you're you've got impeccable manners and etiquette. You would
never ever utter that from your lips.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
It's a clanger. But as I said to him when
he called me up to I said, thinking that's something
when you get out of pology and all reactions don't
realize the studency and everything that's important. So if you
want to be back in the political game, then the
rules apply and they play now. But he apologize and
for I said to him, I think the person you're
(24:12):
most worried about what your wife thinks. And he said yes.
I said, are you on? Are you living on the
count for the next month or worth that effect?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No, he's got it.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
People make mistakes. However, this is the good part. He
freely opened up to it and apologized unreservedly.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Winston Peters, thanks for your time today on the Country,
always informative and entertaining.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
No, thank you, good luck.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yes, it is twenty six away from one. You're with
the country, Winston says, a Texter's sounding like an old
dinosaur living in the past. We can learn from the past,
but we can't live in it. Let it go and
move forward.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Another one says Jamie, Please tell mister Peters he won't
get my vote if Nash is in his team. That's
from Joan. And here's someone else saying and saying they
are persevering with Billy Proctor. Shows your lack of understanding
of midfield play. I'd beg to differ on that one. Look,
(25:14):
we're all critics, we're all armchair critics. That's what we
pay as Sky sub for. I think even Billy Proctor
would admit he probably hasn't made the impact in the
thirteen Jersey that he would a hope for I love
Jordi in twelve. I'm just not quite sure that Billy
Proctor is the answer in thirteen. Maybe I'm wrong, but
I'm very pleased to see Leroy Carter get a run
(25:35):
on the number eleven Jersey. We'll take a break. Michelle's
in here. We'll do rural news for you, and then
we'll update the sports news, including that all black team
with a new debutante, Leroy Carter, the seventh Star getting
a start in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Some love that's world you better. I'm just a singer
of simple songs. I'm not a real political man. I want,
but I'm not sure I can tell you a difference
in Iraq.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Welcome back to the country to you. I like Alan Jackson.
It is twenty two and a half away from one.
Here's Michelle with the latest and rural and the area.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
The country's world news with culd cadets New Zealand's leading
right on lawn Bower Bread visit steel for dot co
dot inc for your local stockist.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Ze Zealand. King Salmon has confirmed it has brought a
multimillion dollar commercial site at Cloudy Bay Business Park and
Blenham Chief executive Carl Carrington says that processing would eventually
move to the new site from Nelson as the company
look to expand its Blue Endeavor project. The company brought
the site for eight point one four million, and Carrington
had also said development was at least three years away
(26:47):
with no immediate changes for its Nelson factory or stuff.
And that's for real news. You can find more at
the Country dot co dot ZI. Here's Jamie the sport.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Sport with fco. Visit them online halfco dot co dot Nz.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
As we talked about earlier, the All Blacks will cap
their ninth debutante of twenty twenty five when former seven
star Leroy Carter starts on the left wing against South
Africa and Wellington this Saturday night. Damien McKenzie starts at
fullback and how good was he in Auckland, Well Jordan.
Shifting to the right wing, Samasoni Tuckyaho at hooker obviously,
(27:24):
Cody Taylor's out injured, A, Tyrol Lomack's prop and Noah
Hotham at halfback are the other changes to the starting lineup.
And the other big sporting story out there today is
Netball New Zealand's call to stand down Silverfern Farms. I
always want to say Silverfern Farms. Silver Ferns coach Dame
(27:44):
Noline taraua has former players and coaches bristling. Former Silverfern
Margie Foster is outraged Tarua won't be coaching in the
upcoming tests against South Africa, and former Ferns coach evonn
Willering reckons the timing is bizarre. I'd agree with you
on that one, Yvonne. That's your sports news. Up next,
(28:07):
we're off the Popo.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Anology.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Very God.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Just dlling monthly here on the country. We catch up
with the team from PGG writes and to look at
the state of the rural livestock markets. Today we're heading
to tak ow Eddi. Although he lives down the road
in the town called Popo, which is obviously in the
news at the moment. He's the regional livestock manager for
(28:39):
King Country, Talpo Regions, Kevin Morty Mortensen, and I understand
your hometown is flooded with media and cops. What a
tough time for your little town.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yeah, it certainly has, Jamie. It's all of a sudden.
We were certainly hit hit the world map for all
the wrong reasons. But let's just hope, you know, what
happens happened, and everything is behind us now and we
can just look forward and carry on as a normal life.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So what are the locals saying about this? There are
some ghastly rumors circulating. Whether they're true or not, I
do not know, but I mean, this thing could not
get any uglier.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
You're right and look at and I won't speculate and
say too much on that at all though, Jamie, like
I say, it's not for me to say, you know
what's happened. It's the only association we.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Had with it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Really is the store as to what happened there. And yeah,
we'll just leave it to the past to be as
to what's happened with that and where they're going to
go with it in the future.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Okay, On a brighter note, you've been a stock agent
for four decades, have you ever known livestock the market
for red meat animals, obviously sheep and beef to be
better than that is at the moment.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
No, I've never never seen it so strong. And you know,
we only have to go back eighteen months or so
ago and look at where it was to how quick
to where it is. And yeah, as soon we've seen
it in a big upturn in it, you know, and
may it continue. It's sort of, you know, all of
a sudden, ten dollars and what have you on mutton
and nine dollars and all that on beef. And like
(30:10):
I say, I hope it can can stay where it
is for the next two to three years anyway, because
it's certainly positive and all of these farmers for many
years have have had it tough, and it's about time
they saw some positives through and some good times ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I think you might have misspoke there. You said ten
dollars for mutton. I think you meant ten dollars for lamb.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Lamb, sorry lamb.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Now that's all right. Well, mutton's worth a bit as well,
you know, of all the red meat categories, and I
think beef's the strongest.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
And like I said, but it all comes back to
probably numbers too. It's probably got a bit of it there.
You know, they were strugging to fill space at the
works or any killable stock around. They're just not there.
There's been more carves and all that red this year
trying to make up the slack, and so it's just
a lot of it is a numbers game, and you
(31:01):
know where can we get the numbers back up to
where they need to be.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, I know there's a lot of beef calves being
read even in the dairy system. There the problem that
we're hearing so that we're running out of milk powder.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah, no, that is a concern. There's been a lot
of calves purchased with not a lot of homework and
is making certain that that secured milk powder. It's a
real sort it's not just for some PGG items, it's
all retailers. It's a real genuine concern with the shortage
that is out there. But it just goes to show,
you know that everybody's prepared and thinking the job is
looking pretty good, and prepared to wear a few calves
(31:36):
to make up the slack.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Now you're based in a popo, I'm based in Duneda,
and I flew from christ Church down to Dunedin this morning.
Be fair to say the Southern Alps have had a
bit of a dusting. September is always a challenging month.
September wouldn't be September if it wasn't. But it's been
cold for a lot of the country and I understand
in the king Country region or your region, you're pretty
sure to feed.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Yeah, very short as we speak, Jamie. Like I said,
there were snowing down on the Desert Road there last night,
so things are pretty cold. We've had probably forty plus
frosts for the winter and we're still struggling from the
drought and the big dry we head back in the autumn.
We haven't got the standing hay on the hills. It's
just we do need some warm rain and we need
(32:19):
some growth, and we need it pretty quick. To be fair.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yes, bleak times in po Po at the moment, and
we've talked about those. But on a brighton note, I reckon,
you've got one of the best little golf courses in
the country. You run lots of good tournaments there. How
are you hitting it well?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Actually, that's one positive I suppose Jamie. With the frost
and everything, it's actually firmed the ground up. So I'm
probably getting another thirty or forty meters distance on the drives.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And so you're getting at out two hundred and eighty
meters now.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I'm probably getting it about one sixty. You know my
game one sixty and all in the wrong direction too.
So yeah, well we'll wait till the grass grows and
then might slow things down a little bit for me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, you enjoy your weekend coming up on the Popo
Golf Club and good luck to your a wonderful little
town in the king Country there to recover and get
on with life.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Thanks Jamie, appreciate that, mate, Thanks having me on the show.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Thirteen. I way from one up next David Well, Dr
David Berger from Darryen zed could plantain b as savior?
That's up next. I'm just a sayer. Last week on
the Country, you might remember we were talking about the
beloved or our beloved Dr Mike Joy banging on about
(33:35):
nitrate leeching into waterways. Does he have a fair point
and does the solution or could the solution lie in
a simple plant called plantain? Let's ask the newly announced
darien Zed Chief Science and Innovation Officer, Doctor David Berger,
as one academic judging another is Mike Joy barking up
(33:57):
the wrong tree?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
David, Look, I think it's important that there's been a
lot of progress in this space over the last fifteen years.
Our farms are operating at very different levels of nitrogen
loss today is what we were in the past, and
we've had a real focus on farm solutions to and
mitigations and catchment scale action to try and reduce our
nitrogen footprints, and our science are showing that in many
parts of the country those nitrogen levels in terms of
(34:21):
what's lost from the farm is significantly lower today than
what it has been in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You guys have been running trials at Lincoln University and
Massi University, for instance, the Lincoln trial showing a twenty
six percent reduction in night trade with an average of
seventeen percent of ecotain plant pain in the pasture, similar
levels for the Massy University trial. So these are pretty
good results.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, that's right, And I think this research has been
all about providing farmers with low cost options to reduce
their nitrogen footprint and stay profitable. And certainly a few
years into that research program, now built off a lot
of research before that, we are seeing really good results
in terms of those nitrogen reductions.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's all very well putting plantain into your pastures, and
I remember this back from my days as a farmer.
You've got to keep it persisting. What do you have
to continually run short rotation pasture mixers and renewing your pasture.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
And look, that's an important part of the program as well,
understanding how we can maintain those plantain levels across the
sport and certainly in the Canterbury Farms study at the
moment it's showing that ten to fifteen percent of plantain
across the whole farm is quite achievable by including it
as part of your seed mixed, as part of pasture renewal,
as part of broadcasting and what have you as well.
(35:37):
But certainly a big part of this program is not
only about the science for reducing nitrogen, it's also about
the farm systems implications and how we can manage that
best and support the use of this technology across the
farm system.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So plantain can reduce nitrogen leaching into waterways, what effect
does it have on the cow's diet. Can it reduce
methane emissions?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Some of those aspects are also being looked at as
part of the program, but certainly a real focus on
that nitrogen reduction potential that has shown up in a
really good result so far.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Hey doctor David Berger, thanks for your time today. Congratulations
on the promotion. You are now dairy en Z's chief
Science and Innovation officer. Well done.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Thanks. Jamie to very had.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
A wrapping the country for a Thursday. That All Black
team has been named. They'll cap their ninth debutante for
twenty twenty five when former seven star Leroy Carter starts
on the left wing against the South Africans capton on
Saturday night. Damien McKenzie starts at fullback, Will Jordan's shifting
to the right wing. SAMASONI Tuckaho, isn't it hooker for
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Cody Taylor who's injured. Yror Lomax gets a startup prop
Noah Hotham at halfback. Are the other changes to the
starting lineup. I think it's a good All Black side.
Very excited that my man Leroy Carter is got a run.
Run Leroy run. We'll see you tomorrow. Gros a man.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
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