August 13, 2024 • 37 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Christopher Luxon, Wayne Langford, Nadia Lim, Carlos Bagrie, and Dr Jacqueline Rowarth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Gaday, New Zealand. This is the Country. It is brought
to you by Brent. My name is Jamie McKay. This
is Zach Bryan pink Sky's. A couple of weeks ago
we were playing pink Frost by the Chills. This is
Zach Bryan at the behest of our first guest, the
Prime Minister, Christopher Luxonho is a big country music fan
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on the show. Also today, the PM about to join
us in a tick. Wayne Langford, President of Federated Farmers.
Yesterday's big announcement was overturning the nearly thirty year ban
on gene tech outside the Lab. We'll see what the
Feds think about that one. Nardi Alum and Carlos Bagric
catch up with a couple of well known Central Otago
(01:13):
farmers who moonlight is a celebrity chef and a enoughfield scholar, respectively.
Looking back on the good, the bad, and the downright
ugly of Season two of Nadia's Farm and Jacqueline Rowth
regular here on the Country, taking one of the world's
big media giants, Reuters, to task over the misleading headline
(01:35):
that she recently read online about New Zealand scrapping a
clean for its clean green policies to boost the economy.
And I'm right with Jacqueline on that one.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We're going to come back with the Prime Minister as
soon as I can see him.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Up Young the thirst and plenty names on a pink
scales you tie them to enjoy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Wednesdays on the Country. The PM kicks off the show
Christopher luxon. You know how there was the bringback Buck campaign.
I want to start one. Bring back Steven Joyce. I
heard him talking to the HOSK this morning. What a
lot of common sense that former Minister of Finance talks.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
I think he is a common sense kind of guy,
and he has a great record and legacy public service
as well, and he was genuinely a very critical minister from.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
That previous government.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
So he's someone I talked to quite regularly because I
think he's had a lot of good insights and practical advice.
But I think he's done with politics.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Can we bring back Bill English while we're on the job. Hey,
listen what he did say, basically, because Hoskin was asking
him about the OCR announcement this afternoon, he said, Adrian
Or should cut but he won't. Is that how you actually?
I can't even ask you that. But look, honestly, I
was just talking to our coffee guy here in Dunedin
and he was telling me how tough at a for retail.
(03:01):
A lot of the clients that come along and buy
a coffee, he said that they're closing their shops.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah. Well, let's be really honest about it.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
It is incredibly tough times for New Zealanders at the moment,
and the reason.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
As we know the cause. The cause was wasteful.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Government spending that drove up inflation. When inflation goes up,
you've got to drive up interest rates and that then
leads to recession, that leads to unemployment. That is the
history of economics, whether you like it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Or not, we know all that stuff. I don't want
a slogan airing election campaign from you, No, I know.
I want Or to drop interest rates. I'm getting angry,
are you sure?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Well no, let me tell you why. What has to happen?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Though you don't just drop interest rates. I Kevin dealt
with inflation. You don't just drop inflation if you haven't
dealt with government spending. If you have high interestrates, you
get a recession, you unemployment. So that's why we're focusing
on the bit that we can or to fiscal policy
and discipline. We've got to get inflation under the three
percent pan. I'm not making predictions reserve banks. You know
they're independentive me and everyone, But you know I'm doing my.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Job, which is to control the fiscal bit the.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Reserve Bank needs to deliver. It's a bit on the
monetary policy piece. And then we get inflating under three,
we get interest rates falling, we get the economy growing,
we get people who work.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay, let's move on. I was talking to Cameron Bagri,
another man who knows a lot about the economy, on
yesterday's show, and he was not having a crack at you,
but saying it's probably not realistic for you guys to
double export earnings in the next decade. For instance, we've
got an energy crisis. We're not going to have the
power to do it. And even if we wanted to
double our biggest export earner, derry, we can't even if
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we wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I disagree.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I think we should have some pretty big ambitions to
be a bigger exporting country. We know one of the
five things we do to have to make this country
welfare is have stronger international connections.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Part of that is two parts.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
One is doubling the value of our exports over the
next ten years. It's a pretty audacious goal, but man,
we want to focus people on getting out in the
world and selling good zelling products and services to rapidly
rising middle classes all across the end of Pacific, of
which we sit down smack in the middle of. And
then we've also got to use it as a opportunity
to foreign investment to New Zealand so that actually we
can get the public infrastructure we want built as well.
(05:05):
So look, I mean you can have economists, pine or
all sorts of things, but the bottom line is we're
setting some goals and some ambition because that's what we
need in this country. We need to rediscover ambition, aspiration,
positivity can do celebrating excellence.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
How are you going to double the export earnings from,
for instance, the dairy sector.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Well, I think there is still a lot of value
to come out of and yeah, you've only got to
get primary industries growing at two percent and you create
huge growth. There's no other sector in the country that
can deliver that, you know, that level of growth that
we're going to need going forward in New Zealand. But
we've also you know, it's been really interesting as I've
been traveling around the region. Are very open to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Products and services. We just haven't had.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
As much presence or been present enough in those markets.
You know, Look, I think you've got to have an
export mentality. When you're five million people in the South
Pacific Ocean in the middle of the Pacific, at a
world of one hundred and ninety five countries and eight billion,
we ain't going to get rich selling stuff to each
other inside this country. We have to go sell it internationally.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Here's a comment I picked up on Twitter or the
artists formerly known as Twitter these days X from a farmer,
and it's a good one. He was driving around the
Haieraki planes dead flat. He said he couldn't even do
business while he was driving, and he talked about our
pathetic communication network. We're well behind the eight ball when
it comes to mobile reception and broadband coverage. We talk
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about improving infrastructure, not only the roads, but we really
need to improve rural connectivity. What are you going to
do about that?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, I agree with that because I drive around a
lot as well going into rural New Zealand and get
frustrated with my phone drops out as well. I mean,
we've just actually put the five hundreds I think rural
connectivity mobile tower into the country just the last few
last month actually, and there's about five hundred those towers
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that are sort of trying to get to thirty four
thousand homes from memory and cover about fifteen hundred k highways.
But I agree, I still think there's challenges in the network,
in the connectivity of it in rural New Zealand. Paul
Goldsmith's the Ministry and Media in Communications, He's got out
a discussion document in May which he fired.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Out to sort of say what else do.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We need to do about regultary and funding frameworks for
rural communications. As a result, he'll get feedback from that
and then we'll see.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
What else we have to do.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
But I have real sympathy for that because you know,
and what the solution ultimately is, it gets really expensive
faming if you think about that last five percent of
running fiber cables into the country, and that's what I
think some of the challenges been. But irrespective of that,
with mobile towers, five G other options available, we should
be looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Hey Prime Minister, I've only got about thirty seconds left.
Are there any risks? And what you did yesterday? Judith
Colin is announcing overturning the thirty year ban on gene
tech outside the Lab. I'm fully supportive of it. But
could it come back and bite us on the backside?
Could we become Day of the Triffids?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It's really super exciting, is one of the things I'm
proud it's about. In the nine months have been from
Minister so far. This is a nineteen ninety six rules
and of course the technology has moved on. It's got
huge implications for primary industries, for agricultural emissions, for healthcare.
Other countries around the world have these really modern rules
and laws around it. Will do it safely. We'll have
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a biotech.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Regulator model off Australia.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
But you know, when you look at things like for example,
wilding conifers, that you could use this fort to shut
that down when you look at things like white clover technology,
when you look at which is helpful our pasture based system.
When I looked at what was happening with respect to
horticulture and the projects that I saw yesterday about you know,
actually faster breeding, a faster maturity of plants and all
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those sorts of things, and dealing with some of the
crisper technology that's available to make crops much more resilient.
All of that are just fantastic for New Zealand. And
our competitors have it, you know, and we have great scientists,
we do amazing institute and they can't take them out
of a blab and yet they do it in Australia,
in the US and then they build a business and
then they make billions of dollars off the back of it,
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but not us.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Chrystopher Luxon appreciate the time of the Prime Minister weekly
here on the Country.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Great to talk with Jamie Sea, Thank.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You Prime Minister. Right, it is coming up to seventeen
after twelve here on the Country, brought to you by Brandt.
I work with two women. Michelle Watt, executive producer. I
don't know where you got the executive bit from Michelle.
But I mean, you're just a producer in my mind.
But what about and Jane Ferguson out long suffering online editor,
(09:40):
and you two are ageus. You're all taking the mickey
out of me this morning about the twenty point quiz?
Was it to see whether you're a boomer?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So I found this courtesy of another executive producer in Auckland.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Actually, so it was quite a laugh.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Heather did something on this last night on ZB.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
She does she boomers?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well, she's married to one and she's around the.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Same age as me. I think.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Anyway, this twenty point things all sort of around technology mainly.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
So I went through and.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I picked out a few things that I've seen you do,
and I think that you're not so good at that
prove you're a boomer.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So well, I am a boomer that I'm not money.
I'm proud. The boomers are the lucky generation. We're the
ones who've got who grew up in the Holy Oak years,
the land of milk and honey. We've got a free
education at university. We cashed in on the property boom.
Over the last thirty years we're the lucky generation. We
haven't got university loans. Have you still got a university loan?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
I do, but I.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Choose to sort of ignore that half the time until
the voices come.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So throw a couple at me. See if I pass
the boomer test.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Okay, I have watched you type, so I feel like
this is definitely one.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Is this type with a keyboard or a phone.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I've seen you type with bars, but I'm pretty sure
this is definitely one for you.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Texting with one finger.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Let me just have a look for yep, FuMB thumb?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah right?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Okay, Oh, yes, so you don't like jab the fare
with one finger?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like no, no, no, no, no no no, Hold I
hold it in my hand and text like that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Oh that's not too bad. That's that's kind of an
elegant boom away of tipsing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The other one that I've picked out is do you
still print out tickets and boarding passes? I feel like
you'd be someone that would still do that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, No, I don't because obviously I'm reasonably regular traveler
with the New Zealand, so I've got the app. But
I do know that when I when I go and
check in because I'm one of those knobs does premium
check in rather than yeah, because I'm often taking golf
clubs with me and people think, who's that that? Anyhow,
I do know that when I get to the premium
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check and counter, the person behind the premium check and
counter often a younger woman. By the way, Michelle prints
me a ticket, assuming I'm a boomer, not knowing that
I'm really tech savvy.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Is that ages? Could you have a boomer rand about,
you know, assuming that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You're a But I'm not offended.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I mean, you might be matchism for all they know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I could be matches them.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
The other one that I found was bad taking selfies.
I've never seen you take a selfie.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I to test selfies, absolutely to test them, so quite
happy to do that. And I think one of the
other ones you showed me was and this is a
real sign of being a boomer using Facebook rather than TikTok,
and I used neither of them. I use Twitter or
x just as an information saw. So I'm not a
big fan on social media at all. And I think
if you're using Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, what else is the TikTok?
(12:27):
God knows what else there is? What do you do
with the rest of your day because it's all gone.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
You can and you can spend hours scrolling.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
But Twitter is definitely all x as it's known now,
is definitely the home of boomer rants.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I've decided from scrolling.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Well, there's some angry people on Twitter. Let's be ho.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
It's very good entertainment. But like Fox News, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Anyhow, So there you go. I've passed the test. I
am a boomer, and I'm proud to be a boomer,
and I'm going to play golf with the boomer later
this afternoon. Who was in the studio yesterday, seventy six
year old Jamie Strang. Why are apt the farmer smart
enough and good enough to row a boat across Cook straight?
Take that, millennials. How many of you soft, weak ass
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millennials who want to work from home could row across
across Cook straight? Not many of you, Not many of
you at all. Maybe Dame Lisa Carrington could. Anyhow, that's
my boomerrant for today. Up next. Well, he's not a boomer.
What would old yolo be. I'm looking at the thing.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
He's a millennial.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Born nineteen eighty one to ninety six. You probably as well.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
A millennial, we're known as periatric.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Okay, right, He's up next on the Country before the
end of the hour. I suppose another couple of millennials
are Nadia Lemon, Carlos Bagri, doctor Jacqueline Roweth. She's a
boomer just like me. I love Jacqueline. She's on before
the end of the show as well.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I beg you com in.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Welcome back to the Country. Michelle's loaded up my button
bar with boomer songs. This is a great one from
the Beach Boys from a great movie Love. Actually, well
the song was out long before the movie was. Our
next guest was born in nineteen eighty three. He is
the president of Federated Farmers Yolo, Wayne Langford. That makes
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you a millennial. And I was abusing millennials before about
always wanting to work from home. But in your case,
I'm going to let you off. It must be a
rare treat for you to work from home on the
Nelson Dairy Farm.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
Good afternoon, afternoon, Jamie. Yeah, I've actually out on the farm.
I've just been down with a neighbor putting some new
wheelbearings on my hustler ballfeeder. So my hands are Covin
and grease still, but it's pleased to be here talking
to you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Always do you text with one finger?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
I'm having to at the moment the rest of covering.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let's get straight on to our topic. A da joure
if you want today overturning the nearly thirty year ban
on gene tech outside the lab. I know you haven't
heard the Prime minister. He was very excited about the
prospect of this for n z inc. What do the
FEDS say?
Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah, well, I guess we're excited about having the conversation
about it, and we're certainly hoping that the government doesn't
just just plow full on rathon and everything, because we
realize that we've got farmers that are sitting on all
patches of the spectrum here. So we've been encouraging this
conversation to be hit and we're looking forward to really
getting into that and seeing where it ends up.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
We have had the farcical or absurd situation and I
was talking to Heather du plus Allen about this last
night on zb about how we bred these nice red
fleshed apples and we couldn't taste Testamon, New Zealand. We
had to take them over to the States to taste them.
Same with the you know, the lower methane emitting rye grasses.
We're trialing them in the field America. Why not be
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able to do it here?
Speaker 9 (16:03):
Yeah, Well, obviously we've had our role in place and
it has been a challenge for our scientists understand that.
But also probably up until now, we've been told that
there has been a competitive advantage for being GMO free
and G three potentially.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So hang on, where are the premiums for those? Where
are we getting premiums at the Aussies on getting.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Well that's the questions that we're beginning to ask, right,
and that's why we're saying we need to encourage, encourage
this conversation to work out whether there are premiums or not.
And so yeah, no, like if there was ever a
time to have it, you know, and all my times
it fits. You know, there's been a lot of talk
about farming needs and it's all about farming that you know,
what we've had over the last couple of years is
we've had conservation come to us, We've had human health
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come to us, and they're saying, hey, we need to
have this conversation too, because there's technology we can use
here to really help us do our job as well,
So this is not just a farming issue at all.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You write a very insightful opinion piece way back on
the ninth of October last year, before the election. It
was a bit of a wish list, but you I'm
quoting it here, Wayne Langford. You said gene editing could
help us completely eradicate pests like possum so that are
spreading disease and decimating our native forests. Same with the
ge ryegrass I guess, same with the wilding pines.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Yeah, well exactly. And these are the different different options
that may come of it, right, And the good thing
about it is that particularly I think the discussion here
needs to be a gene tech genie. Everything seems to
be more of a conversation than the likes of gene modification.
Now we're not saying whether one's right or wrong or
where we're going, but we're saying there's acknowledgment of a
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difference here. There's acknowledgment that there is different trade restrictions
on different aspects of that, and so we need to
work through around. Hey, what can we do? What can
we do? Within our trade deals that already exist, and
how fast can we do it to keep those in
place and to keep our competitive advantage right, because there
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is something that we could do at the moment that
we're not doing that that would still be viable under
our GMO free status.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is gene editing effectively just advanced plant breeding in the
case of plants, obviously.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Yeah, well there's certainly scales of it, but that is
my understanding of it. Gene editing is more speeding up
the natural process of what's going on, and so you know,
rather than take years and years of breeding, that can
be done in the landing and can be sped up quicker.
So that's a very simple explanation.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Of it all.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Hey, Wayne, I did promise Nadia a lemon Carlos Bagri
because they're in different places, that i'd get to them
at twelve thirty. So I've just got a final question
for you. You're at home, which is a nice treat
for you. You're in the middle of the carving, albeit your
playing mechanics with the neighbor. How's the carving season going.
We've got a stunning day here in Dunedin and I
think it's like that for a lot of the South Island.
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Albeit the irony is we probably need a whole lot
of rain.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent of this time. Last Sunday we
had no cav and now we're a three to the
way through, so we're all go here on the farmer.
But it's been a beautiful sunny week. Yeah, just you
can't be farming when it's like this. So I see
there's a bit of rubbish coming on the weekend of it,
of rain and what not, so so we'll work through that.
But yeah, it's been pretty good so far. I can't complain.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Really appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man.
Thanks for Thanks for Wayne, Yet Wayne Langford Dere does
a great drib job as president of Federated Farmers. Yeah,
I am running behind time. We're gonna Michelle's got the
winner of the Winners of the Matchism book. He is,
by the way, the producer and we'll come back to that.
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We'll come back to that, Michelle. He's the producer of
Nadia's Farm. So up next Nadia Limb, Carlos Bagri, the good,
the bad, and the down right ugly. If you look
talking about chicken Palaces of season two of Nadia's Farm.
Also Doctor Jack Willin going into fight, a good fight
on behalf of New Zealand Farmers taking on a media giant, Reuters.
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It's all on the country between now and one o'clock. Gods,
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great to have on the country, Nadia Lim and Carlos Bagri.
Of course, Nadia's Farm Season two has been and gone,
and I have to apologize to you guys. I chatted
to you on April the second, just before you went
to air, and I meant to do a follow up
during the course of the season, but I got stuck
in Australia waylaid and I binge watched the rest of
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the season last night just to do this interview. And
I must say I'm going to start with you, Nadia.
What a trooper you are because you're in bed today
with the gastro bug and you're still taking time out
for me. Really appreciate it in your life as a
Nuffield scholar widow. Good afternoon the pair of.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
You, afternoon, Jamie, No no worries. It's always good to
talk to you. We really appreciate it, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And it wasn't an imposition Carlos to binge watch almost
the entire season last night because it was like train
wreck television. I got stuck on the saga around the
chicken Palace. My goodness, do you swear? Yeah? Do you
swear more on off camera? Because you were remarkably calm.
I'd be completely losing my rag if it was me.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
He definitely does. I think there was a lot of
sleeping out.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's probably a favor of cussing after the fact, but
I think during it you were You're just trying to
make the most of the situation and try to figure
the solutions out quickly. And I'll be honest that the
infrastructure around chickens has been nothing but nothing but problematic.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, it's interesting because when I spoke to the pair
of you, as I said on April the second, I
think the day before you went to Earth for season two,
I said to you, Carlos, you know, because the chicken
thing had gone pretty well in season one and you
were expanding your operation, and I said, how's it going
this time around? Then you said, watch this space so
disasters aside with the housing, are you making any money
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out of your chickens?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Look, the chickens have been Look I think a really loosely.
I've probably seen no not yet that the chickens have
been And I guess any commercial farmers listening to this
if it's the same in anything, you need a certain
little scale and volume of turnover for it to make sense, right,
anything under a certain perspective, and it's just a hobby.
So you know, you're right, we've grown a chicken operation.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
We have.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
So we have eight dozen laybirds here now, which is
still very small. You know, that's that's and that sounds
like a lot of birds, but in the in the
grand schemes, that's tiny. Is it making money?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Not really?
Speaker 8 (22:59):
It's high and put costs and you know we charge
the premium for the eggs are extraordinary, high core of
the eggs, but they do they cost a lot to produce.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Nadia. I mentioned the fact that you were a enough
Field scholar widow. Carlos has been in and out all
this year, and I think it's part of his enough
Field scholarship. You've got one more major trip to do.
How have you handled it, because as we know, you've
got young Arlo number three. You've got your hands full
just looking after the kids.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, so Carlos has done ten weeks away now in
two separate stints, and he's still got a third stint
to go, but I get to go on the third
since so that's pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, to
be honest, it was quite hard being in the middle
of winter and with three kids, one being a baby. Yes,
of course it was always going to be tricky, but
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I mean it was an amazing opportunity for Carlos to
go away and do this and he's come back with,
you know, a much broader, wider perspective of how New
Zealand kind of fits in the world of agriculture. So
of course it was always going to be worth it
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Carlos, where have you been? What have you studied?
Speaker 8 (24:09):
So I've spent a month in Brazil, and then I've
spent a couple of months tripping through Europe, Australia into Georgia,
spent a little bit of time in Zimbabwe, a little
bit of time in the UK.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
So I've been.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Through a whole series of different places, and to be fair,
I guess I kind of got to the end of it,
to be brutally honest, probably a lot more positive around
the space that New Zealand occupies in global food production.
So a lot of developed countries are moving away from
certainly from livestock farming, and the places that are pushing
(24:46):
livestock farming are doing so in an extremely intensive manner.
So from like our pasture based system here, inion Z,
I'm extremely well, yeah, extremely optimistic about the future of
what that looks like. I think if we can market
our produce properly overseas and extract the multiples that we
really need for the farm and margin, then I think,
(25:09):
you know, there's always going to be a strong future
for what we.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Do here, Okay, Carlos. One of the other recurring themes
during season two, not only the disasters around the Chicken Palace, Kay,
you got there in the end, but also taking on
the lease of Moto Tarpoo Station. It's been a bit
of a lemon.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
It's been a very challenging property. And for the people
that haven't watched the show, Motor Typos, it's a beautiful property.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
It's expensive.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
We had I think the eight thousand acres in the
air that we were farming as a least block, and look,
it's a it's an extraordinarily beautiful property, but a very
challenging one to farm. You know that the Fencers wouldn't
hold our parental use. They just go through that like
a hot night through butter. The fertility was really low,
so we spent a huge amount of money on getting
(25:59):
the that the fertilizer right in there, and we just couldn't.
You know, I think that's that's that's so that same thing,
that's like a recurring thing. How do you how do
you generate a return if you if your inputs are
high and that's yeah, that's the real struggle without.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Wanting to risk season three and I'm assuming there will
be a season three because I know it's rated very well.
Have you still got the lease?
Speaker 8 (26:23):
No, so we've we've we've moved away from on Tapu
as of April this year. So we're changing up the
systems or how how we're well, basically we were changing
our procurement systems of how lambs come to Royal Burtain.
So yes, that we do. We do get in a
lot of debts and we are filming, so they're sure
the season they call it still calling it season two
(26:45):
with season two point five are really a sort of
season three. Call it whatever your wild there's another season
of the Farm Show coming out. I believe in the
next month or two. So yeah, so it's pretty close.
We don't have firm dates yet, but there is that.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Six you'll find out what happens.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Then nice teas there, Nadia, Hey, listen, I'll just one
more for you, Carlos. I know you're busy because you're
out on the farm today and Nadia is stuck in bed.
A dream come true for you, having your own beer.
We kind of do the same thing here on the
country with the Makaiser. Yours is the Swifty Bear. You
were kind enough to send me a six pack, and
I'm more of a craft bear sort of bloke, but
(27:23):
I must say your bear is well marketed as refreshing Bear.
It's an easy drinking ale. It's very tasty.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
I think, thank you. You know, it's fun thing. I'm yeah,
that's that's something I'm extraordinarily proud of. And they'd be
rolling your eyes at the going. All he talks about
is bloody swifty and.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
It's no no. I think it's amazing. Like at a
female beer drinker, I really enjoy it. And we've found
that as well that just people from all walks of life.
I really enjoy it because it's just that it's just
a good refreshing bear. Yes, so people have taken really
well to it. It's an all new art and pack
and seas soon to be countdowns, I think, isn't that right.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Colors, Well, we're rolling out it's all in a little
and so nationwide you'll find it, and I think you'll
find it the most new or it's nationwide, and certainly
if it's not in your local pack and say, just
give them a hard time to make sure it gets here.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
But certainly.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
The distribution has been fun rolling that out, and you know,
the feedback from the market has been fantastic. So we're yeah,
I'm sort of buzzing, like I mean, you know how
much I love beer. So it's been a it's a
dream come true.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's very well priced for a six pack. There you go,
a shameless plug for the Swifty Bear. So season two
point five Nadia is going to happen. Looking forward to
that one, what can we expect? Come on, throw us
a bone.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
Well, I guess you'll find out what happens with Mortar
Tapu and how we change things up, because it is
quite a big significant change with how we farm and
farm the sheep and do our lamb and everything. What
else is in there, Carlos?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
What else can you drink?
Speaker 8 (29:05):
It's made out of BALI that's a tease.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
Ah, that's another hint.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're going to become a liquor baron. Carlos. All right, hey, listen,
really looking forward to it. And I love the bloke
who's producing the show, Matchism. He's an absolute delight. He
does a good job. It's really well done. And I
must say I've never binge watched anything other than Breaking
Bad and Nadia's Farm season two. So there you go.
(29:31):
That's how good I was. Nadia, good luck with the recovery.
And Carlos, I hope you have a kind spring on
Royal Burned Station there on the Crown Range. Great to
catch up with you too, and we'll catch up with
you just before season two point five goes to air. Cheers, Cheers, Jamie,
thank you, Nadia, thank you, Carlos. Go and have a look.
(29:51):
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Bear with us. She writes an excellent fortnightly column on
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she's excelled herself this time around. Doctor Jaqueloath and Jacqueline,
(31:18):
You've got stuck into a story you read online. You
clicked on it from Luter's about how the government's destroying
our environments.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Yep, and the.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Whole business about letting the and this is wrong. The
headline indicated we were going to go environmentally down the
gurglar because the current government wants to boost the economy.
And when I'm looking at a headline, I think, well,
what am I going to learn from this? Actually it's
something that I might want to counteract because our environment
(31:52):
rated internationally is very good, and what the government is
trying to do is get some sort of balance that
allows us to make it even better. But the headline
doesn't look like that, and it's an international headline. It's Reuters.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, and the headline was a New Zealand scraps clean
green policies to boost economy. Not quite true, as the
Trumpster would say, fake news.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Yeah, because although they are rolling back some of the regulations,
what they're trying to make them is fit for purpose.
Recognizing that our environment rated internationally is very good, how
can we get the money to make it even better
but also support all the domestic policies we need, the health,
the education. Gosh, the science, the R and D that
(32:39):
is falling, the research and development funding that is falling
behind other countries. And that's not good for us because
other countries don't do in research and development what we
need in terms of our agriculture, which is grass fed,
past debased, all of that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You and I are both cheerleaders for the primary sector
and we need to put there and so we should
be too. Let's put some context around the numbers, because
even when tourism was in its height pre COVID, I
got annoyed that tourism was going to overtake farming. Blah
blah blah. Farm farming was going to be a sunset industry.
The fact with tourism, Jacqueline, is it's a two way street. Yes,
(33:18):
it brings in money, but we explored a lot of
our money in outward tourism. And when you compare what
tourism's bringing into the country now, something like eleven billion
you're quoting compared to the fifty five billion that's coming
from the primary sector.
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Yeah, and so we saw this very clearly when COVID
struck and there weren't people being exported, and there certainly
weren't people coming to view our beautiful country. The economy
didn't falter in the way so many other countries did
because we had the primary sector doing what it always does,
producing great animal protein from pasture reared animals. They were
(33:59):
doing it under very difficul well circumstances. It costs more,
you know, all of the distancing, all of that sort
of thing. But it continued and our economy did not falter.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Interesting stats in your column. Far more New Zealanders are
concerned about the cost of living, and rightly so that's
fifty nine percent, much more than climate change nineteen percent.
So Paddy Gower's shock horror show mightn't be getting the
message home there just reflects the importance. And it's the
old Bill Clinton thing. It's all about the economy stupid.
(34:29):
It's all very well, being clean and green and all this,
but if you can't pay the bills or keep the
lights on, why bother.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
Exactly right, And I wanted to insert another statistic here
because yesterday or earlier in the week the quarter two
the year two quarter two, which is March twenty twenty four,
wages went up four percent and food inflation was zero percent.
According to the Reserve Bank inflation calculator, So we need
(34:57):
to allow our farmers who are struck by pay more
wages more power. There's another thing, a new report saying
energy transition is increasing food prices. The more we try
and be this renewable energy, of course there will be
an impact on food prices, so people are more concerned
about the cost of living. And then, of course the
(35:17):
healthy education and my concern the research and development. We
need to enable the primary sector to do even better
than it is already doing.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Bang on, Doctor JaQuel and ralth Turn away from one
Michelle's on or in here after the break with the
latest and rural news. Breaking news from Federated Farmers. Sorry
about well, sorry about that moment of dead Eir, Just
a moment for reflection. This is This is for boomer
(35:50):
Bob Thompson and Christchurch family friend of Michelle's who apparently
does a very good imitation of the Aussie breakdown, so
when he's dancing to Eagle Rock, Good on you, Bob,
Thanks for listening. We love you. Here's breaking news from
Fed Farmers.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
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Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yes, Jamie, this is extremely hot off the press. The
government have just released the terms of reference for the
long awaited Rural Banking inquiry. At the moment, that's all
I know. So we're going to get Richard McIntyre on
the show tomorrow to tell us more.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, and who won the box? The leptism box.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
So I've got Keing Soden from christ Church and Trish
Bevin from west Auckland. So I'll be contacting you guys
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Sport with a FCO Visit them online at FCO dot
co dot Nz.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And I'm going to run out of rope if i
don't get through this really really quickly. Will Jordan's adamant
All Blacks coach Scott Robertson can get back on track
after a Rugby Championship wobble against Argentina. Sorry Will? I
love wille Jordan as a player. By the way, it
wasn't Scott Robertson who needs to get back on track.
It's the players. I would have thought anyhow, throw the
ball in straight an, no time to waste. We're going
(37:01):
to come back with some Maoria feedback because we are
literally running out of time here on the Country and
wrapping of our Country for a Wednesday and tomorrow's show.
We'll have Richard McIntyre on that banking inquiry, Ben Picton
on this afternoon's O see our announcement that's coming out
(37:23):
at two o'clock. Peter Newbold from PGG rights in real estate,
what the hell's happening to the rural real estate market?
Have a great Wednesday around New Zealand. We'll catch you
back tomorrow. Thursday.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
We're doing well.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Gaday, New Zealand. This is the Country. It is brought
to you by Brent. My name is Jamie McKay. This
is Zach Bryan pink Sky's. A couple of weeks ago
we were playing pink Frost by the Chills. This is
Zach Bryan at the behest of our first guest, the
Prime Minister, Christopher Luxonho is a big country music fan
(00:51):
on the show. Also today, the PM about to join
us in a tick. Wayne Langford, President of Federated Farmers.
Yesterday's big announcement was overturning the nearly thirty year ban
on gene tech outside the Lab. We'll see what the
Feds think about that one. Nardi Alum and Carlos Bagric
catch up with a couple of well known Central Otago
(01:13):
farmers who moonlight is a celebrity chef and a enoughfield scholar, respectively.
Looking back on the good, the bad, and the downright
ugly of Season two of Nadia's Farm and Jacqueline Rowth
regular here on the Country, taking one of the world's
big media giants, Reuters, to task over the misleading headline
(01:35):
that she recently read online about New Zealand scrapping a
clean for its clean green policies to boost the economy.
And I'm right with Jacqueline on that one.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We're going to come back with the Prime Minister as
soon as I can see him.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Up Young the thirst and plenty names on a pink
scales you tie them to enjoy.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Wednesdays on the Country. The PM kicks off the show
Christopher luxon. You know how there was the bringback Buck campaign.
I want to start one. Bring back Steven Joyce. I
heard him talking to the HOSK this morning. What a
lot of common sense that former Minister of Finance talks.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Well, I agree.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
I think he is a common sense kind of guy,
and he has a great record and legacy public service
as well, and he was genuinely a very critical minister from.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
That previous government.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
So he's someone I talked to quite regularly because I
think he's had a lot of good insights and practical advice.
But I think he's done with politics.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Can we bring back Bill English while we're on the job. Hey,
listen what he did say, basically, because Hoskin was asking
him about the OCR announcement this afternoon, he said, Adrian
Or should cut but he won't. Is that how you actually?
I can't even ask you that. But look, honestly, I
was just talking to our coffee guy here in Dunedin
and he was telling me how tough at a for retail.
(03:01):
A lot of the clients that come along and buy
a coffee, he said that they're closing their shops.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah. Well, let's be really honest about it.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
It is incredibly tough times for New Zealanders at the moment,
and the reason.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
As we know the cause. The cause was wasteful.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Government spending that drove up inflation. When inflation goes up,
you've got to drive up interest rates and that then
leads to recession, that leads to unemployment. That is the
history of economics, whether you like it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Or not, we know all that stuff. I don't want
a slogan airing election campaign from you, No, I know.
I want Or to drop interest rates. I'm getting angry,
are you sure?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Well no, let me tell you why. What has to happen?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Though you don't just drop interest rates. I Kevin dealt
with inflation. You don't just drop inflation if you haven't
dealt with government spending. If you have high interestrates, you
get a recession, you unemployment. So that's why we're focusing
on the bit that we can or to fiscal policy
and discipline. We've got to get inflation under the three
percent pan. I'm not making predictions reserve banks. You know
they're independentive me and everyone, But you know I'm doing my.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Job, which is to control the fiscal bit the.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Reserve Bank needs to deliver. It's a bit on the
monetary policy piece. And then we get inflating under three,
we get interest rates falling, we get the economy growing,
we get people who work.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay, let's move on. I was talking to Cameron Bagri,
another man who knows a lot about the economy, on
yesterday's show, and he was not having a crack at you,
but saying it's probably not realistic for you guys to
double export earnings in the next decade. For instance, we've
got an energy crisis. We're not going to have the
power to do it. And even if we wanted to
double our biggest export earner, derry, we can't even if
(04:28):
we wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I disagree.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I think we should have some pretty big ambitions to
be a bigger exporting country. We know one of the
five things we do to have to make this country
welfare is have stronger international connections.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Part of that is two parts.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
One is doubling the value of our exports over the
next ten years. It's a pretty audacious goal, but man,
we want to focus people on getting out in the
world and selling good zelling products and services to rapidly
rising middle classes all across the end of Pacific, of
which we sit down smack in the middle of. And
then we've also got to use it as a opportunity
to foreign investment to New Zealand so that actually we
can get the public infrastructure we want built as well.
(05:05):
So look, I mean you can have economists, pine or
all sorts of things, but the bottom line is we're
setting some goals and some ambition because that's what we
need in this country. We need to rediscover ambition, aspiration,
positivity can do celebrating excellence.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
How are you going to double the export earnings from,
for instance, the dairy sector.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Well, I think there is still a lot of value
to come out of and yeah, you've only got to
get primary industries growing at two percent and you create
huge growth. There's no other sector in the country that
can deliver that, you know, that level of growth that
we're going to need going forward in New Zealand. But
we've also you know, it's been really interesting as I've
been traveling around the region. Are very open to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Products and services. We just haven't had.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
As much presence or been present enough in those markets.
You know, Look, I think you've got to have an
export mentality. When you're five million people in the South
Pacific Ocean in the middle of the Pacific, at a
world of one hundred and ninety five countries and eight billion,
we ain't going to get rich selling stuff to each
other inside this country. We have to go sell it internationally.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Here's a comment I picked up on Twitter or the
artists formerly known as Twitter these days X from a farmer,
and it's a good one. He was driving around the
Haieraki planes dead flat. He said he couldn't even do
business while he was driving, and he talked about our
pathetic communication network. We're well behind the eight ball when
it comes to mobile reception and broadband coverage. We talk
(06:27):
about improving infrastructure, not only the roads, but we really
need to improve rural connectivity. What are you going to
do about that?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, I agree with that because I drive around a
lot as well going into rural New Zealand and get
frustrated with my phone drops out as well. I mean,
we've just actually put the five hundreds I think rural
connectivity mobile tower into the country just the last few
last month actually, and there's about five hundred those towers
(06:55):
that are sort of trying to get to thirty four
thousand homes from memory and cover about fifteen hundred k highways.
But I agree, I still think there's challenges in the network,
in the connectivity of it in rural New Zealand. Paul
Goldsmith's the Ministry and Media in Communications, He's got out
a discussion document in May which he fired.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Out to sort of say what else do.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We need to do about regultary and funding frameworks for
rural communications. As a result, he'll get feedback from that
and then we'll see.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
What else we have to do.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
But I have real sympathy for that because you know,
and what the solution ultimately is, it gets really expensive
faming if you think about that last five percent of
running fiber cables into the country, and that's what I
think some of the challenges been. But irrespective of that,
with mobile towers, five G other options available, we should
be looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Hey Prime Minister, I've only got about thirty seconds left.
Are there any risks? And what you did yesterday? Judith
Colin is announcing overturning the thirty year ban on gene
tech outside the Lab. I'm fully supportive of it. But
could it come back and bite us on the backside?
Could we become Day of the Triffids?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It's really super exciting, is one of the things I'm
proud it's about. In the nine months have been from
Minister so far. This is a nineteen ninety six rules
and of course the technology has moved on. It's got
huge implications for primary industries, for agricultural emissions, for healthcare.
Other countries around the world have these really modern rules
and laws around it. Will do it safely. We'll have
(08:21):
a biotech.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Regulator model off Australia.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
But you know, when you look at things like for example,
wilding conifers, that you could use this fort to shut
that down when you look at things like white clover technology,
when you look at which is helpful our pasture based system.
When I looked at what was happening with respect to
horticulture and the projects that I saw yesterday about you know,
actually faster breeding, a faster maturity of plants and all
(08:47):
those sorts of things, and dealing with some of the
crisper technology that's available to make crops much more resilient.
All of that are just fantastic for New Zealand. And
our competitors have it, you know, and we have great scientists,
we do amazing institute and they can't take them out
of a blab and yet they do it in Australia,
in the US and then they build a business and
then they make billions of dollars off the back of it,
(09:08):
but not us.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Chrystopher Luxon appreciate the time of the Prime Minister weekly
here on the Country.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Great to talk with Jamie Sea, Thank.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You Prime Minister. Right, it is coming up to seventeen
after twelve here on the Country, brought to you by Brandt.
I work with two women. Michelle Watt, executive producer. I
don't know where you got the executive bit from Michelle.
But I mean, you're just a producer in my mind.
But what about and Jane Ferguson out long suffering online editor,
(09:40):
and you two are ageus. You're all taking the mickey
out of me this morning about the twenty point quiz?
Was it to see whether you're a boomer?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So I found this courtesy of another executive producer in Auckland.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Actually, so it was quite a laugh.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Heather did something on this last night on ZB.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
She does she boomers?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well, she's married to one and she's around the.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Same age as me. I think.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Anyway, this twenty point things all sort of around technology mainly.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
So I went through and.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I picked out a few things that I've seen you do,
and I think that you're not so good at that
prove you're a boomer.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So well, I am a boomer that I'm not money.
I'm proud. The boomers are the lucky generation. We're the
ones who've got who grew up in the Holy Oak years,
the land of milk and honey. We've got a free
education at university. We cashed in on the property boom.
Over the last thirty years we're the lucky generation. We
haven't got university loans. Have you still got a university loan?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
I do, but I.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Choose to sort of ignore that half the time until
the voices come.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So throw a couple at me. See if I pass
the boomer test.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Okay, I have watched you type, so I feel like
this is definitely one.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Is this type with a keyboard or a phone.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I've seen you type with bars, but I'm pretty sure
this is definitely one for you.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Texting with one finger.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Let me just have a look for yep, FuMB thumb?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah right?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Okay, Oh, yes, so you don't like jab the fare
with one finger?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like no, no, no, no, no no no, Hold I
hold it in my hand and text like that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Oh that's not too bad. That's that's kind of an
elegant boom away of tipsing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The other one that I've picked out is do you
still print out tickets and boarding passes? I feel like
you'd be someone that would still do that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, No, I don't because obviously I'm reasonably regular traveler
with the New Zealand, so I've got the app. But
I do know that when I when I go and
check in because I'm one of those knobs does premium
check in rather than yeah, because I'm often taking golf
clubs with me and people think, who's that that? Anyhow,
I do know that when I get to the premium
(11:39):
check and counter, the person behind the premium check and
counter often a younger woman. By the way, Michelle prints
me a ticket, assuming I'm a boomer, not knowing that
I'm really tech savvy.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Is that ages? Could you have a boomer rand about,
you know, assuming that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You're a But I'm not offended.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I mean, you might be matchism for all they know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I could be matches them.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
The other one that I found was bad taking selfies.
I've never seen you take a selfie.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I to test selfies, absolutely to test them, so quite
happy to do that. And I think one of the
other ones you showed me was and this is a
real sign of being a boomer using Facebook rather than TikTok,
and I used neither of them. I use Twitter or
x just as an information saw. So I'm not a
big fan on social media at all. And I think
if you're using Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, what else is the TikTok?
(12:27):
God knows what else there is? What do you do
with the rest of your day because it's all gone.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
You can and you can spend hours scrolling.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
But Twitter is definitely all x as it's known now,
is definitely the home of boomer rants.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I've decided from scrolling.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Well, there's some angry people on Twitter. Let's be ho.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
It's very good entertainment. But like Fox News, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Anyhow, So there you go. I've passed the test. I
am a boomer, and I'm proud to be a boomer,
and I'm going to play golf with the boomer later
this afternoon. Who was in the studio yesterday, seventy six
year old Jamie Strang. Why are apt the farmer smart
enough and good enough to row a boat across Cook straight?
Take that, millennials. How many of you soft, weak ass
(13:07):
millennials who want to work from home could row across
across Cook straight? Not many of you, Not many of
you at all. Maybe Dame Lisa Carrington could. Anyhow, that's
my boomerrant for today. Up next. Well, he's not a boomer.
What would old yolo be. I'm looking at the thing.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
He's a millennial.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Born nineteen eighty one to ninety six. You probably as well.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
A millennial, we're known as periatric.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Okay, right, He's up next on the Country before the
end of the hour. I suppose another couple of millennials
are Nadia Lemon, Carlos Bagri, doctor Jacqueline Roweth. She's a
boomer just like me. I love Jacqueline. She's on before
the end of the show as well.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I beg you com in.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Welcome back to the Country. Michelle's loaded up my button
bar with boomer songs. This is a great one from
the Beach Boys from a great movie Love. Actually, well
the song was out long before the movie was. Our
next guest was born in nineteen eighty three. He is
the president of Federated Farmers Yolo, Wayne Langford. That makes
(14:24):
you a millennial. And I was abusing millennials before about
always wanting to work from home. But in your case,
I'm going to let you off. It must be a
rare treat for you to work from home on the
Nelson Dairy Farm.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
Good afternoon, afternoon, Jamie. Yeah, I've actually out on the farm.
I've just been down with a neighbor putting some new
wheelbearings on my hustler ballfeeder. So my hands are Covin
and grease still, but it's pleased to be here talking
to you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Always do you text with one finger?
Speaker 9 (14:55):
I'm having to at the moment the rest of covering.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let's get straight on to our topic. A da joure
if you want today overturning the nearly thirty year ban
on gene tech outside the lab. I know you haven't
heard the Prime minister. He was very excited about the
prospect of this for n z inc. What do the
FEDS say?
Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah, well, I guess we're excited about having the conversation
about it, and we're certainly hoping that the government doesn't
just just plow full on rathon and everything, because we
realize that we've got farmers that are sitting on all
patches of the spectrum here. So we've been encouraging this
conversation to be hit and we're looking forward to really
getting into that and seeing where it ends up.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
We have had the farcical or absurd situation and I
was talking to Heather du plus Allen about this last
night on zb about how we bred these nice red
fleshed apples and we couldn't taste Testamon, New Zealand. We
had to take them over to the States to taste them.
Same with the you know, the lower methane emitting rye grasses.
We're trialing them in the field America. Why not be
(16:01):
able to do it here?
Speaker 9 (16:03):
Yeah, Well, obviously we've had our role in place and
it has been a challenge for our scientists understand that.
But also probably up until now, we've been told that
there has been a competitive advantage for being GMO free
and G three potentially.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So hang on, where are the premiums for those? Where
are we getting premiums at the Aussies on getting.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Well that's the questions that we're beginning to ask, right,
and that's why we're saying we need to encourage, encourage
this conversation to work out whether there are premiums or not.
And so yeah, no, like if there was ever a
time to have it, you know, and all my times
it fits. You know, there's been a lot of talk
about farming needs and it's all about farming that you know,
what we've had over the last couple of years is
we've had conservation come to us, We've had human health
(16:47):
come to us, and they're saying, hey, we need to
have this conversation too, because there's technology we can use
here to really help us do our job as well,
So this is not just a farming issue at all.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You write a very insightful opinion piece way back on
the ninth of October last year, before the election. It
was a bit of a wish list, but you I'm
quoting it here, Wayne Langford. You said gene editing could
help us completely eradicate pests like possum so that are
spreading disease and decimating our native forests. Same with the
ge ryegrass I guess, same with the wilding pines.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Yeah, well exactly. And these are the different different options
that may come of it, right, And the good thing
about it is that particularly I think the discussion here
needs to be a gene tech genie. Everything seems to
be more of a conversation than the likes of gene modification.
Now we're not saying whether one's right or wrong or
where we're going, but we're saying there's acknowledgment of a
(17:43):
difference here. There's acknowledgment that there is different trade restrictions
on different aspects of that, and so we need to
work through around. Hey, what can we do? What can
we do? Within our trade deals that already exist, and
how fast can we do it to keep those in
place and to keep our competitive advantage right, because there
(18:03):
is something that we could do at the moment that
we're not doing that that would still be viable under
our GMO free status.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is gene editing effectively just advanced plant breeding in the
case of plants, obviously.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Yeah, well there's certainly scales of it, but that is
my understanding of it. Gene editing is more speeding up
the natural process of what's going on, and so you know,
rather than take years and years of breeding, that can
be done in the landing and can be sped up quicker.
So that's a very simple explanation.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Of it all.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Hey, Wayne, I did promise Nadia a lemon Carlos Bagri
because they're in different places, that i'd get to them
at twelve thirty. So I've just got a final question
for you. You're at home, which is a nice treat
for you. You're in the middle of the carving, albeit your
playing mechanics with the neighbor. How's the carving season going.
We've got a stunning day here in Dunedin and I
think it's like that for a lot of the South Island.
(19:01):
Albeit the irony is we probably need a whole lot
of rain.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent of this time. Last Sunday we
had no cav and now we're a three to the
way through, so we're all go here on the farmer.
But it's been a beautiful sunny week. Yeah, just you
can't be farming when it's like this. So I see
there's a bit of rubbish coming on the weekend of it,
of rain and what not, so so we'll work through that.
But yeah, it's been pretty good so far. I can't complain.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Really appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man.
Thanks for Thanks for Wayne, Yet Wayne Langford Dere does
a great drib job as president of Federated Farmers. Yeah,
I am running behind time. We're gonna Michelle's got the
winner of the Winners of the Matchism book. He is,
by the way, the producer and we'll come back to that.
(19:45):
We'll come back to that, Michelle. He's the producer of
Nadia's Farm. So up next Nadia Limb, Carlos Bagri, the good,
the bad, and the down right ugly. If you look
talking about chicken Palaces of season two of Nadia's Farm.
Also Doctor Jack Willin going into fight, a good fight
on behalf of New Zealand Farmers taking on a media giant, Reuters.
(20:06):
It's all on the country between now and one o'clock. Gods,
(20:27):
great to have on the country, Nadia Lim and Carlos Bagri.
Of course, Nadia's Farm Season two has been and gone,
and I have to apologize to you guys. I chatted
to you on April the second, just before you went
to air, and I meant to do a follow up
during the course of the season, but I got stuck
in Australia waylaid and I binge watched the rest of
(20:49):
the season last night just to do this interview. And
I must say I'm going to start with you, Nadia.
What a trooper you are because you're in bed today
with the gastro bug and you're still taking time out
for me. Really appreciate it in your life as a
Nuffield scholar widow. Good afternoon the pair of.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
You, afternoon, Jamie, No no worries. It's always good to
talk to you. We really appreciate it, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And it wasn't an imposition Carlos to binge watch almost
the entire season last night because it was like train
wreck television. I got stuck on the saga around the
chicken Palace. My goodness, do you swear? Yeah? Do you
swear more on off camera? Because you were remarkably calm.
I'd be completely losing my rag if it was me.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
He definitely does. I think there was a lot of
sleeping out.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's probably a favor of cussing after the fact, but
I think during it you were You're just trying to
make the most of the situation and try to figure
the solutions out quickly. And I'll be honest that the
infrastructure around chickens has been nothing but nothing but problematic.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, it's interesting because when I spoke to the pair
of you, as I said on April the second, I
think the day before you went to Earth for season two,
I said to you, Carlos, you know, because the chicken
thing had gone pretty well in season one and you
were expanding your operation, and I said, how's it going
this time around? Then you said, watch this space so
disasters aside with the housing, are you making any money
(22:20):
out of your chickens?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Look, the chickens have been Look I think a really loosely.
I've probably seen no not yet that the chickens have
been And I guess any commercial farmers listening to this
if it's the same in anything, you need a certain
little scale and volume of turnover for it to make sense, right,
anything under a certain perspective, and it's just a hobby.
So you know, you're right, we've grown a chicken operation.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
We have.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
So we have eight dozen laybirds here now, which is
still very small. You know, that's that's and that sounds
like a lot of birds, but in the in the
grand schemes, that's tiny. Is it making money?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Not really?
Speaker 8 (22:59):
It's high and put costs and you know we charge
the premium for the eggs are extraordinary, high core of
the eggs, but they do they cost a lot to produce.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Nadia. I mentioned the fact that you were a enough
Field scholar widow. Carlos has been in and out all
this year, and I think it's part of his enough
Field scholarship. You've got one more major trip to do.
How have you handled it, because as we know, you've
got young Arlo number three. You've got your hands full
just looking after the kids.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, so Carlos has done ten weeks away now in
two separate stints, and he's still got a third stint
to go, but I get to go on the third
since so that's pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, to
be honest, it was quite hard being in the middle
of winter and with three kids, one being a baby. Yes,
of course it was always going to be tricky, but
(23:50):
I mean it was an amazing opportunity for Carlos to
go away and do this and he's come back with,
you know, a much broader, wider perspective of how New
Zealand kind of fits in the world of agriculture. So
of course it was always going to be worth it
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Carlos, where have you been? What have you studied?
Speaker 8 (24:09):
So I've spent a month in Brazil, and then I've
spent a couple of months tripping through Europe, Australia into Georgia,
spent a little bit of time in Zimbabwe, a little
bit of time in the UK.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
So I've been.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Through a whole series of different places, and to be fair,
I guess I kind of got to the end of it,
to be brutally honest, probably a lot more positive around
the space that New Zealand occupies in global food production.
So a lot of developed countries are moving away from
certainly from livestock farming, and the places that are pushing
(24:46):
livestock farming are doing so in an extremely intensive manner.
So from like our pasture based system here, inion Z,
I'm extremely well, yeah, extremely optimistic about the future of
what that looks like. I think if we can market
our produce properly overseas and extract the multiples that we
really need for the farm and margin, then I think,
(25:09):
you know, there's always going to be a strong future
for what we.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Do here, Okay, Carlos. One of the other recurring themes
during season two, not only the disasters around the Chicken Palace, Kay,
you got there in the end, but also taking on
the lease of Moto Tarpoo Station. It's been a bit
of a lemon.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
It's been a very challenging property. And for the people
that haven't watched the show, Motor Typos, it's a beautiful property.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
It's expensive.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
We had I think the eight thousand acres in the
air that we were farming as a least block, and look,
it's a it's an extraordinarily beautiful property, but a very
challenging one to farm. You know that the Fencers wouldn't
hold our parental use. They just go through that like
a hot night through butter. The fertility was really low,
so we spent a huge amount of money on getting
(25:59):
the that the fertilizer right in there, and we just couldn't.
You know, I think that's that's that's so that same thing,
that's like a recurring thing. How do you how do
you generate a return if you if your inputs are
high and that's yeah, that's the real struggle without.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Wanting to risk season three and I'm assuming there will
be a season three because I know it's rated very well.
Have you still got the lease?
Speaker 8 (26:23):
No, so we've we've we've moved away from on Tapu
as of April this year. So we're changing up the
systems or how how we're well, basically we were changing
our procurement systems of how lambs come to Royal Burtain.
So yes, that we do. We do get in a
lot of debts and we are filming, so they're sure
the season they call it still calling it season two
(26:45):
with season two point five are really a sort of
season three. Call it whatever your wild there's another season
of the Farm Show coming out. I believe in the
next month or two. So yeah, so it's pretty close.
We don't have firm dates yet, but there is that.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Six you'll find out what happens.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Then nice teas there, Nadia, Hey, listen, I'll just one
more for you, Carlos. I know you're busy because you're
out on the farm today and Nadia is stuck in bed.
A dream come true for you, having your own beer.
We kind of do the same thing here on the
country with the Makaiser. Yours is the Swifty Bear. You
were kind enough to send me a six pack, and
I'm more of a craft bear sort of bloke, but
(27:23):
I must say your bear is well marketed as refreshing Bear.
It's an easy drinking ale. It's very tasty.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
I think, thank you. You know, it's fun thing. I'm yeah,
that's that's something I'm extraordinarily proud of. And they'd be
rolling your eyes at the going. All he talks about
is bloody swifty and.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
It's no no. I think it's amazing. Like at a
female beer drinker, I really enjoy it. And we've found
that as well that just people from all walks of life.
I really enjoy it because it's just that it's just
a good refreshing bear. Yes, so people have taken really
well to it. It's an all new art and pack
and seas soon to be countdowns, I think, isn't that right.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Colors, Well, we're rolling out it's all in a little
and so nationwide you'll find it, and I think you'll
find it the most new or it's nationwide, and certainly
if it's not in your local pack and say, just
give them a hard time to make sure it gets here.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
But certainly.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
The distribution has been fun rolling that out, and you know,
the feedback from the market has been fantastic. So we're yeah,
I'm sort of buzzing, like I mean, you know how
much I love beer. So it's been a it's a
dream come true.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's very well priced for a six pack. There you go,
a shameless plug for the Swifty Bear. So season two
point five Nadia is going to happen. Looking forward to
that one, what can we expect? Come on, throw us
a bone.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
Well, I guess you'll find out what happens with Mortar
Tapu and how we change things up, because it is
quite a big significant change with how we farm and
farm the sheep and do our lamb and everything. What
else is in there, Carlos?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
What else can you drink?
Speaker 8 (29:05):
It's made out of BALI that's a tease.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
Ah, that's another hint.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're going to become a liquor baron. Carlos. All right, hey, listen,
really looking forward to it. And I love the bloke
who's producing the show, Matchism. He's an absolute delight. He
does a good job. It's really well done. And I
must say I've never binge watched anything other than Breaking
Bad and Nadia's Farm season two. So there you go.
(29:31):
That's how good I was. Nadia, good luck with the recovery.
And Carlos, I hope you have a kind spring on
Royal Burned Station there on the Crown Range. Great to
catch up with you too, and we'll catch up with
you just before season two point five goes to air. Cheers, Cheers, Jamie,
thank you, Nadia, thank you, Carlos. Go and have a look.
(29:51):
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(30:54):
Next we will get to rural news and sports news.
Bear with us. She writes an excellent fortnightly column on
our website, Thecountry dot co dot Nz, and I think
she's excelled herself this time around. Doctor Jaqueloath and Jacqueline,
(31:18):
You've got stuck into a story you read online. You
clicked on it from Luter's about how the government's destroying
our environments.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Yep, and the.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Whole business about letting the and this is wrong. The
headline indicated we were going to go environmentally down the
gurglar because the current government wants to boost the economy.
And when I'm looking at a headline, I think, well,
what am I going to learn from this? Actually it's
something that I might want to counteract because our environment
(31:52):
rated internationally is very good, and what the government is
trying to do is get some sort of balance that
allows us to make it even better. But the headline
doesn't look like that, and it's an international headline. It's Reuters.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, and the headline was a New Zealand scraps clean
green policies to boost economy. Not quite true, as the
Trumpster would say, fake news.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Yeah, because although they are rolling back some of the regulations,
what they're trying to make them is fit for purpose.
Recognizing that our environment rated internationally is very good, how
can we get the money to make it even better
but also support all the domestic policies we need, the health,
the education. Gosh, the science, the R and D that
(32:39):
is falling, the research and development funding that is falling
behind other countries. And that's not good for us because
other countries don't do in research and development what we
need in terms of our agriculture, which is grass fed,
past debased, all of that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You and I are both cheerleaders for the primary sector
and we need to put there and so we should
be too. Let's put some context around the numbers, because
even when tourism was in its height pre COVID, I
got annoyed that tourism was going to overtake farming. Blah
blah blah. Farm farming was going to be a sunset industry.
The fact with tourism, Jacqueline, is it's a two way street. Yes,
(33:18):
it brings in money, but we explored a lot of
our money in outward tourism. And when you compare what
tourism's bringing into the country now, something like eleven billion
you're quoting compared to the fifty five billion that's coming
from the primary sector.
Speaker 11 (33:33):
Yeah, and so we saw this very clearly when COVID
struck and there weren't people being exported, and there certainly
weren't people coming to view our beautiful country. The economy
didn't falter in the way so many other countries did
because we had the primary sector doing what it always does,
producing great animal protein from pasture reared animals. They were
(33:59):
doing it under very difficul well circumstances. It costs more,
you know, all of the distancing, all of that sort
of thing. But it continued and our economy did not falter.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Interesting stats in your column. Far more New Zealanders are
concerned about the cost of living, and rightly so that's
fifty nine percent, much more than climate change nineteen percent.
So Paddy Gower's shock horror show mightn't be getting the
message home there just reflects the importance. And it's the
old Bill Clinton thing. It's all about the economy stupid.
(34:29):
It's all very well, being clean and green and all this,
but if you can't pay the bills or keep the
lights on, why bother.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
Exactly right, And I wanted to insert another statistic here
because yesterday or earlier in the week the quarter two
the year two quarter two, which is March twenty twenty four,
wages went up four percent and food inflation was zero percent.
According to the Reserve Bank inflation calculator, So we need
(34:57):
to allow our farmers who are struck by pay more
wages more power. There's another thing, a new report saying
energy transition is increasing food prices. The more we try
and be this renewable energy, of course there will be
an impact on food prices, so people are more concerned
about the cost of living. And then, of course the
(35:17):
healthy education and my concern the research and development. We
need to enable the primary sector to do even better
than it is already doing.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Bang on, Doctor JaQuel and ralth Turn away from one
Michelle's on or in here after the break with the
latest and rural news. Breaking news from Federated Farmers. Sorry
about well, sorry about that moment of dead Eir, Just
a moment for reflection. This is This is for boomer
(35:50):
Bob Thompson and Christchurch family friend of Michelle's who apparently
does a very good imitation of the Aussie breakdown, so
when he's dancing to Eagle Rock, Good on you, Bob,
Thanks for listening. We love you. Here's breaking news from
Fed Farmers.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
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Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yes, Jamie, this is extremely hot off the press. The
government have just released the terms of reference for the
long awaited Rural Banking inquiry. At the moment, that's all
I know. So we're going to get Richard McIntyre on
the show tomorrow to tell us more.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, and who won the box? The leptism box.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
So I've got Keing Soden from christ Church and Trish
Bevin from west Auckland. So I'll be contacting you guys
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Sport with a FCO Visit them online at FCO dot
co dot Nz.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And I'm going to run out of rope if i
don't get through this really really quickly. Will Jordan's adamant
All Blacks coach Scott Robertson can get back on track
after a Rugby Championship wobble against Argentina. Sorry Will? I
love wille Jordan as a player. By the way, it
wasn't Scott Robertson who needs to get back on track.
It's the players. I would have thought anyhow, throw the
ball in straight an, no time to waste. We're going
(37:01):
to come back with some Maoria feedback because we are
literally running out of time here on the Country and
wrapping of our Country for a Wednesday and tomorrow's show.
We'll have Richard McIntyre on that banking inquiry, Ben Picton
on this afternoon's O see our announcement that's coming out
(37:23):
at two o'clock. Peter Newbold from PGG rights in real estate,
what the hell's happening to the rural real estate market?
Have a great Wednesday around New Zealand. We'll catch you
back tomorrow. Thursday.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
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