June 25, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Eric Roy, Todd Charteris, Bridie Virbickas, Dr Robyn Dynes, Emma Poole and Tim Dangen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good day in New Zealand and welcome to the Country.
Brought to you by Brandt Mark Kelly Paneling is paneling
for us out of our Auckland studios. We're here at
day two of the Primary Industry Summit in christ Church, Hunting,
fishing and loving all day. That's a good intro to
our first guest. We're going to talk to some of
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the big winners from last night's Primary Industry Awards. We're
going to kick it off with Eric Roy, who was
the winner of the Pinnacle Award, the Outstanding Contribution Award.
A last night magnificent evening, very good. Indeed, Todd charterists
to chat to us, chief executive of Rabobank. They're the
Diamond sponsor here at the Primary Industry Summit and talking.
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They released a paper yesterday called Changing of the Guarden.
How about this for a number more than half of
all New Zealand farm and orchard owners, approximately seventeen thousand
of them will reach the age of sixty five in
the next decade. Huge farm succession issue out there, and
we're going to follow on from Todd Charteris with the
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winner of the Emerging Leader Award last night at the
PINS Awards, Brady Verbickus Dynamic Young ag Leader, dairy farmer
milking eight hundred and fifty cows in the Bay of
Plenty and going through farm succession with her family, Doctor
Robin Dines Good Southland girl, originally winner of the Primary
Industry's Champion Award. And we're going to wrap it with
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regulars here on the country, Emma Paul and Tim Dangin
former Young Farmers of the Year. There this afternoon's closing
keynote speakers and their topic is a vision for the
future of New Zealand farming from the next generation of
farming leaders. And before I forget, before we go to
Eric Roy, a shout out to the EU Ambassador to
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New Zealand. He was on the show yesterday, Lawrence Meredith.
I got tied up with him at one am this
morning in the Rock Paul Bar. My excuse was I
was in seeing I didn't have a bettle about eleven o'clock.
But what great company he was and we ran into
a whole lot of federated farmers people. Hello to the
team from the Martin area and Jason Pines show here
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on Newstalk ZEDB apparently did their show before the Super
Rugby final from the Rock Paul Bar. There's another one
I can tick off the list, and Todd McLay will
be on the show tomorrow. He was here yesterday. They
all had to go back to Parliament for the first
reading of the Farm to Forest Bill. It was passed
unanimously last night. Every party including Chloe and the Greens
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and to party MARII supported it. So that's interesting. More
about that one tomorrow. But the man of the moment
my old mate from South and we go back a
long way, Eric, more than thirty years. I was so
pleased and proud for you to win that award last night,
and you were quite emotionally, you were almost close to tears.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Well about tears.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I things got a wee bit emotional there when I
started to think about the contribution the family that never
get recognized, allowing me to do what I wanted to
do or felt I should do. So it was good
to have an opportunity to be able to acknowledge them.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So you been a farmer, raised on a farm, farm
boy all your life, but your contribution to agriculture started
way back in nineteen sixty seven. You must have been
just a pup then, have just just left school. You
went over to do voluntary work in Vanuatu. Yeah, reached
them how to farm.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, it was called new Hebrides then, so it does
go back a weee weigh and yeah, no, I I
was pretty agitated, shall we say, or concerned about where
the world was going at that time.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And of course nineteen sixty seventy well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But you know when I left school, which was sixty
five of the two hundred and six countries in the world,
I read somewhere that only thirty were true democracies and
the rest were going to to totalitarianism. So, well, what
can I do? And about that time I heard Bobby
Kennedy say service to others as the rent that we
pay for our space on Earth. Very good quote I
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still used today, and so that's what kind of stimulated me.
And I went over there and that was quite a
cool experience and opened my eyes to think a bit
more about a whole lot of things that I learned
about coconuts and cocoa and things I had no idea about.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And well, you haven't got too many coconuts or cocoa
in the South. And of course that was nineteen sixty
seven Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Yeah, sixty eighty, Yeah, yeah, right,
So there it was into young Farmers because we're going
to go through your career. It's a good story. We
won't talk about your rugby career. But so then you
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go to Young Farmers and you kind of served or
competed at all at every level.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, well, into debating and public speaking and stock judging
and young farmily all of those things that they were,
they were an essential part of sort of learning more.
And if you go back to the origins of Young
Farmers where you know Ac Cameron wanted to get young
farmers to have more than contamination learning from the appearance,
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and you know, Young Farmers was a great institution then
and is now it's come to a sort of renaissance period.
Now it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And next week we've got the FMG Young Farmer Grand
Final and our home patches and Iamond daned in these
days in the Cargo Southland.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yep and looking forward to that and it's a great
shop window for just selling excellence and I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, we've got a couple of Young Farmers of the
Year to wrap the show today in twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three, Tim Danjel Andmber Paul Chee. They're
the dynamic new leadership. We're going to talk to a young,
dynamic leader and just a tick. You were runner up
in the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final in
nineteen seventy five and last night when you got your presentation,
I said, who was the bugger who beat you?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Paul Charman from Darfield. No, I was well beaten, but
it was a great experience. It was more of a
well there was no practical then and once I got
involved with the Scallop Young Family the Year organizing, we
introduced practical and it's grown into the competition it is today.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Isn't it fantastic that a woman, namely Emma Paul can
win it and compete on an even keel in the practical.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, well, we've been waiting for that to happen for
a long time and I think the first woman to
make the finalist Denise Brown back about nineteen eighty two
or three or thereabouts, and so really great that that happened,
and it broke a gaping well.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You became the national President of Young Farmers, later became
the World President of Young Farmers. But I'm going to
fast forward now because you're a farmer and amongst all
this as well, but I want to fast forward to
your parliamentary career.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, okay, Well, I guess coming out of the egg
Sag in the nineties, I was pretty disenchanted with farming,
and I'd stood for the Meat Board and done a
few things, but what I really think, well, let's go
to the face where decisions are made.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And so I went in.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I want to be the Minister of Agriculture, make some
changes that never happened, but you certainly have an influence
in there, and cheering the egg Caucus and the Primary
Production Select Committee and a few jobs like that.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But I got sort of shuffled.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Into being a weapon, then into assistant speaker and then
Ebudy speaker, and you kind of serve where you've got
a skill set. And Young Farmers taught me how to
cheer meetings absolutely no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And you're a bit of a stickler for standing order.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I am, yep.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And everything you do is on precdent. If you let
something go someone household. Yeah, and we've we've actually seen
that in parliament.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Now do you reckon the current speaker? This is getting
off script and please feel free to go there. But
is Jerry brownly handling it as well as he could?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Well, he's kind of put stuff back in the bag
that Trevor Mallard lead out of the bags.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Who's let's be honest, he's the worst speaker we've ever
had on this.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Game in my lifetime anyway. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And I'm nurse feeding babies in the chair and being
inclusive and all that and the change address, all of
that stuff has just been you know, a widge of
just moving the standards to where we are today. And
that's why you said I was a stickler. I just
think you set your standard and you hold them and
everything else eminates from.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Winston instead, right, don't start me on the cowboy hats
and the colonial anyhow. So, so six terms as an
MP originally for our then from the cargo when they're
all combined and a bit of ill health in the
end probably changed her mind about retiring, did it.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I know that the ill health was non Hodgkins slim
Homer in ninety ninety seven, and that's probably what upset
my sort of trend into.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The Minister of away.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, well, that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And then there was changes of leadership at the top,
and no one knew how brilliant I was. So and
now I had that bit of a fight on my
hands for about a year, and yeah, got that behind me.
So carried on. One of the things people say, ah,
are you're still going now? I'm actually in my second life.
I was supposed to die when I was forty nine
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arm and I'm just in my twenties again.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now do you.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Mind me letting this fact out? You're seventy seven on Friday.
That makes you almost as old as Winston. He's still going.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Straight well, and Trump's two years older as well. Don't
compare me to trop you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, just a final one, because this is an award,
an accolade for sixty years of service to New Zealand Egg.
It was the pinnacle award these days. I mean, you're
you're still in there, You're the chair of n z
porl not bad for a broken down Southland sheep farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, well you go back to say, you know, what
did I know about coconuts and coco Well, I mean
I got interested in pork because hang on what place
of Monogastric Scott in the future of New Zealand farming.
Here's an opportunity to learn a new skill. And when
Damien O'Connor rang me out and said, hey, I've got
a job for you, interesting call from the other side
of the house.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I need someone that can sort of bring this thing
together and I need to learn about this and we
never stopped learning, either going forward or going back.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And just a final comment, we need to stop importing
what is at sixty percent of Yeah, well criminal. So
when you go in there to buy your bacon, it
might be a bit cheaper, but look for New Zealand
made mind you it might be come from overseas and
have a New Zealand. Yeah, that's a challenge.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's an ongoing argument.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
And I took the rigs to this Regulation Review Select
Committee and they're under review again.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's an ongoing challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Good Hey your at Croy. Congratulations. I was so proud
of you last night, mate, winning the Outstanding Contribution Award
at the Primary Industry New Zealand Awards last night. Up next,
they released the paper yesterday from Rabobank, the Diamond sponsor here.
The report was Changing of the Guard, some frightening numbers
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on farm succession. Todd charteris up next, and then we're
going to talk to the winner of the Emerging Leader
Award who was going through farm succession with her family,
bridey ver Bickus. Before the end of the hour, Doctor
Robin Dines, another winner last night, winner of the Primary
Industry's Champion Award. Am I going to wrap it with
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today's closing keynote speakers at the summit, Emma Paul and
Tim Dangel will be back after the break This do
on twenty one after twelve The Country Live. I suppose
we can't be anything but from the Primary Industry Summit,
day two of two. We wrap it this afternoon later
in the hour our keynote closing speakers Emma Paul and Dangon.
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But this man, Todd charteris Chief executive of Rabobank, regular
on the Country Diamond sponsor here. Todd yesterday the team
at Rabobank released the Changing of the Guard report, and
this is about farm succession. Approximately seventeen thousand farmers and
growers will reach the age of sixty five in the
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next decade.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Is it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So we've got a huge succession issue and you're saying
it's a conservative estimate. Is one hundred and fifty billion
in farming assets will depend on a successful succession process.
And there's no easy way with farm succession. How are
we going to get through this?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
No, thank you, good Affnon Jamie, look that no, there
is no easy way. But I think it all starts
with starting the conversation and starting the process and our
big numbers, as you say, and which is the research
has shown. But I think the other piece of interesting
research that shann there's around about a third of far
surveyed have a plan around succession. There's about seventeen percent
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that have talked about it, but about that leaves about
fifty that actually haven't started yet. And so I think
that's the opportunity here is to start because we see
that challenge coming ahead of us. So the sooner we start,
sooner we can find solutions.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Brady Vibicus, who's coming up, said and she can tell
her story. But she did tell me this morning that
in her family's case, they got and basically someone from
the outside and who knew nothing about their family, you know,
an independent arbitrator. Is that the way to go?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Look, I think it's case by case and situation by situation.
But that's a very common approach and very successful. I
would say we heard the same from a couple of
families yesterday that we had a breakfast here who have
been through that process and they've used external help to help.
You know, independent someone that can probably ask those tough
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questions and bring some of those issues out and let
all the voices be heard, I suppose. So it's a
good approach.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So hypothetically, so you've got and Bridey's case, I think
it's three kids in their family, and maybe one of
them wants to go farming. The other two wants some
capital out of the farm eventually obviously to set up
their own lives. Is it almost impossible to treat siblings
fairly if one or two of them want to carry
on farming.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Well, yeah, as I said earlier, I mean every situation
is different. I think sometimes we get hung up on
equal versus equitable and that's not the same, but it
really depends on the overall family situation we are seeing,
and we highlighted in the white paper some of these
sort of hybrid ownership models where some family members can
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perhaps exit other external investors come in, but it's a
way that the family can actually keep a connection to
the land in a different ownership structure.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We've got less and less farmers in this country because
farms are getting bigger and bigger, and that's just the
way of the world. But with those bigger farms come
bigger price tags, which makes it even more difficult.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
The numbers are bigger, but also the complexity of the
businesses are different as well. Because they're bigger, they're employing
more people. So there's a whole lot of challenges that
need to.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Be worked through.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And I think that, I guess is the motivation to
bring this white paper forward is to start the conversations
and to help work through those solutions case by case.
Because he is around about seventeen thousand, as you said,
that need to occur in the next ten years or so.
That's a big number. And the sooner we start, the
sooner we can help to solve for it now.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I was trying to get a hold of you last
night after the awards to catch up for a bear.
You went missing an action. I got stuck with the
EU Ambassador's in New Zealand, Lawrence Meredith. What a hard
case he is. I left them in the rock Pool
bar with some farmers from the Horror for Noua region.
He was going all guns blazing.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
No look at first of all the awards did. It
was a great night and you did well. Did a
good job, Jamie, and it was great to celebrate those
awards in full credit to all of them.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It was fantastic, Lucky and pick on you for your
Who would be your doppelganger?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I've got no idea. I haven't considered it, and I
don't need to either. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think Michelle. Are you going to Michelle's going to? Yes,
you can, you can before the end of the hour.
You can. You haven't got a microphone, but just look
up who Todd's doppelganger might be. I'm interested to know anyhow.
So Hey, thank you very much, thanks to Rabobank for
being the Diamond sponsor in association with Federated Farmers who
do a bloody good job. Excuse my language. When it
comes to this event. It's the who's who of New
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Zealand agriculture and the primary industry and for those of
us who are right in amongst it, you just can't
beat this for a networking opportunity.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Now, I agree, Jamien. Look, we're proud to be associated
with it in Weld under Federated Farmers and it's been
a great agenda this year I think, and lots of
really good conversation out of it. So thanks for your
part two.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Good on you, Todd Charter as chief executive of a Rabobank.
It's twenty six or coming up to twenty seven after twelve.
Up next the winner that We've got three big winners
on today, Bride I of a Bicker Swinner of the
Emerging Leader Award, Dynamic young dairy farmer from the Bay
of Plenty milking eight hundred and fifty cows. They're going
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through a farm succession plan and their family farm. We'll
have rural news and sports news for you, doctor Robin
Dines and then our closing keynote speakers Emma Paul and
Tim Dangin. Before the end of the hour, will be
back after the break Comba me he Camba me twenty
nine after twelve Welcome back to the country, the winner
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of the Emerging Leader award, and she spoke really well
last night as Bay of Plenty Dairy Farmer, Dynamic Young
agg Leader Bridy ver Bickus. And we're trying to work
out who your doppelgangers. We'll come back to that. I
think we've decided for Todd Charteris, we're going with Will Ferrell,
comedian and I think that's not bad. I think Todd's
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aaby to take that. He's just having a look at
the website now with Michelle Bridy. You must have been
very proud winning that award last night because people were
talking about you as a future leader of Federated Farmers.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Yeah, Hi, Jamie, Yeah, it was a real shock actually
to get that award, but it was really really nice
to be recognized by all of my peers with Infederated
Farmers in the egg industry, and they thought that I
was deserving of it. So it's really coo.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, what's your involvement with Federated Farmers.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I'm the Bay of Clany Sheier Farmer chair.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're milking eight hundred and fifty cows.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Yes, this coming season.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, well yourself sort of kind of you're running myself,
aren't you.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Yes, I'm running the ship. So it's myself and three staff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, so tell us about your family setup. No, I
need to delve too deep into it. But this morning
we were talking about farm succession and I knew you
were going to be following on from Todd Charter is
there And I quoted something you said to me when
it came to your family. I think three children or
three siblings, two are going farming and one isn't. And
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you brought someone in completely independent either, have a look
at the farming setup.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Yeah. So yeah, So there's three daughters in my family,
and my sister Heather, she's farming with her husband on
the home farm, and then I'm on my piece. And
then my sister Colleen, she's living in a hope in
the Sunny Hope. So yeah, we got in our real
coach to help us with the succession. My parents really
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didn't want to be in a situation where there would
be any uncertainty if they were to pop their clogs early. Yes,
so we got in real coach and it was a
really interesting process. It was really neat to really feel heard.
So we had independent one on ones with Scott and yeah,
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and then we came together as a team and we
all had the same thoughts and feelings about what we
all kind of wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And yeah, because one of the difficult things about farm
succession is not only getting the next generation, and it's
getting the generation who owned the farm out and they
don't want to be paupersed. So and I've seen it
where farmers have put kids in there or whatever and
probably not taken enough out themselves. So you've got to
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make sure that you look after that generation.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yeah, absolutely, And they've they've worked so hard for what
they've got, so the end of the day, it's all
of their hard work. So yeah, we're all very yeah,
very proud of proud of them.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well you've done well. Look on your buyer when we
talked about this last night. You support fellow farmers through advocacy,
dispute resolution and practical workshops. You're also a founding trustee
of agg Recovery. What's all that about.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Yeah, so about a year ago I came on Egg
Recovery Board as a trustee, so I represent the dairy
industry in that space, and yeah, it's something that just
really aligns with my love of the environment. It's a
really neat organization to be involved in, and just where
it's heading is really neat.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So helping reduce farm waste nationwide. What are we talking about,
Baylor's wrap and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, a lot of small bags, so HDP bags and
drums and things, so all of those plastics in that that. Yeah,
there's obviously so much waste on farm, so having the
ability to take that to a recycling center and know
that it's going to be going into more products that
can then be recycled as well. So it's not just
about a single use after the recycling, it's about making
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sure they're made into products that can then be recycled again,
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
In ten years time we'll be talking about Bridy Vibiicus
the president of Federated Farms. I mean Katie Milne did it.
She broke the grass ceiling?
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Yeah she did. Yeah, who knows, We'll wait and see.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That sounds like I'm just happy to be the MP
for Twonga from you, I don't know about that. A Bridy,
lovely to catch up with you last night. Congratulations it's
a real feather in your cap to win the Emerging
Leader Award. The future of farming with people like yourself
and Tim and Emma who are going to hear from
later in the hour is very good. Indeed, go well,
thanks for your tom so much, Rightio, it is twenty
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six away from one. We're going to take a break
back on the other side of it. Another segment in
our Young Farmer Region off as you get to vote
for which region you want to win heading into next
week's grand Final. And inmbicargo are doctor Robin Dines, winner
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of the Primary Industry's Champion Award from AG Research, Good
Southland Girl as well and as I said, former Young
Farmers of the Year Emma Paul and Tim Dangin to
wrap the show, today's FMG Young Farmer Region Representative is
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James Robbie for East Coast. Okay, James, you've got sixty
seconds to sell your region to the rest of the country.
Off you go.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Well, the East Coast is the true heartland of New Zealand.
It's one of those places that a lot of people
refer to as still living in the good old days.
And you know, I think even though we're quite a
sort of remote, rugged region with some pretty marginal weather
at times. It's a really special place that really sort
of cultivates the best out of New Zealand's young farmers.
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I was born and raised here and feel that as
an East Coast young farmer, it's been the ultimate proving ground,
the ultimate training school for me to learn to farm.
So it's a really fantastic place. Really blessed to be
working alongside the winners from the Teenagg and the Agri
Kids this year's Young Farm of the Year competition. They're
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a fantastic little team themselves from further north up the
coast from me. But look, hopefully we can all work
together at this season fifty seven of Young Farm of
the Year and get a good result for the East Coast.
We've decided to go with supporting the Royal Support Trust
who just did some fantastic work throughout Cyclone Gabriel, which
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of course I think that the East Coast really terribly
tides up.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Thanks James. While you've just heard James Robbie's pitch for
East Coast, now it's over to you to go and
vote in the FMG Region off. Go to FMG dot
co dot Nz Ford slash Region off and vote before
July five.
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Speaker 2 (24:31):
Guest twenty one away from one. Michelle Watts, producer doing
an excellent job running around here in christ Church organizing
me and big thanks to Bill Turmey for the technical
side of it. I think we've almost got through today
without a cock up as the probably the word I'm
looking for. Touch what on that one? Michelle? What's the
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latest in rural news? And we got something from Todd
mclough nothing new.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
You kind of cut my lunch earlier with us. I
think I heard you mention it. I was like, oh,
you're still well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think it's quite nice that if we go to
Parliament and everyone in the house, all the parties agree,
you know, yeah, the Greens to party marry the whole lot.
So everyone has agreed apparently to the first reading or
voted for the first reading of the farm to forest ban. Yeah,
it's unanimously passed.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
Yeah, this is huge news. So we'll wait on tinderhoks
to see what happens next. I think we're going to
try and get tight on the show tomorrow to have
a chat about it and fell us in on the
details a little bit more so we'll wait until they
listen out then for that I think we have Mark
on the other end was sport.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Sport with AFCO.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
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Speaker 3 (25:40):
Dot enzed Yes, thank you, Michelle. Auckland Cities Amateurs have
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goals from their previous two matches. Benfica and Bayern Munich
have have secured the group's knockout spots. And cracking news
for New Zealands. This woman Zoe Hobbs, who's toppled her
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own one hundred meter record at the World Athletics Continental
to a meeting in the Czech Republic, running a ten
point ninety four seconds Back to you, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, thanks Mark, What a great athlete she has. Of course,
stock agent's daughter of course. Yeah, sorry Tobs. So what's
been the highlight for you? Michelle? This is your first
time at a primary industry summit or awards.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Probably getting to actually meet all these people that I
talked to on the phone email and i've seen pictures
of you know, for the whole year that i've been here.
It's been really fantastic. Everyone's really lovely and I think
that's been the highlight. And of course working with you, Jamie,
featuring your coffee, taking care of you, that's my main highlight.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh well, thank you very much for that. You're doing
an excellent job of that. And as I said, Bill Turmey,
doing an excellent job getting us to air. We're going
to take a break with Eric Roy. Maybe it was
the Pinnicle event, maybe it wasn't. I mean he got
Outstanding Contribution award last night at the Primary Industry Awards,
I think, and of course Brady was the emerging leader.
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But the winner of the Primary Industry's Champion Award is
up next and that is doctor Robin Dines from ag Research,
a good Southland girl. Looking forward to chatting to her next.
And I see Emma Paul and Tim Dangeon have arrived.
They'll be all fizzed up because they're doing the keynote
closing address at the summit this afternoon. Back after the
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break with the Primary Industry's Champion winner Legal Welcome back
to the country, coming to you from christ Church. Winner
of the Primary Industry's Champion Award last night, doctor Robin
Dines from AG Research and Robin, you're effectively going to
be the last winner of anything from AG research because
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was it later this week? AG Research doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
That's right, Jamie, from the first of July. From the
first of July, which is next week, AG Research becomes
part of the combined New Institution, which is the New
Zealand Bioeconomy Science Institute. So yes, probably the last AGG
Research person to get recognized under the EGG Research banner.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, just before we talk about you, I want to
pay tribute to someone else who was up there. Another
award winner last night was the Foundation for Arable Research.
And she's very understated, but we had a true we
had a Dame Dame Allison Stuart up there, and wasn't
it good to see someone recognize for doing the hard
yards and the background look very.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Much and so well deserved to see Dame Allison become
Dame Allison. Her contribution to the New Zealand arable system,
but more generally, you know her capacity to bring strong
science and reasoned argument to the table a second to none.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Tell us about your background, because like me, you're a Southlander.
You grew up on a sheep farm I think in Wyndham.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
No, so well, my parents came from Wyndham.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Our sheep and beef farm was at Arthurton, just north
of Pokerell. So I went to Pokerell Primary School, started
my secondary career at Gore High but finished at Methvin
High School as it was in now Mount Hat College,
so we moved to Canterbury. Best of all worlds Crusader supporter.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh god, if I'd known that. One of the reasons
you're on the show today when you walked off stage
last night and I was patting you on the back,
and you said, well, I haven't been on your show yet.
So you're the author of your own demise here. So
you're on the show. But it's good to know that
you're a regular listener to the show and you so
you listen to the online version on your drive home.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Indeed, Jamie, every night when I jump in the car,
turn Jamie mchaye on to find out what's happening on
the ground. Hear the comment and know what I'm going
to be arguing about with my brother in lawd.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
God on, you tell me about your background, like your
twenty years service to the egg industry or you were
twenty years with AGG research, aren't you?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So I started.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
I'm a Lincoln University graduate, proud Lincoln graduate. Headed off
to Australia in the nineties, Jamie after my PhD. There
was simply no options here for me, but that was
the best thing I could do. Work in the Mediterranean,
a completely different environment. The farmers are the same and
yet different. So I did fourteen years there and then
came back to AG research, went over there as an
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animal scientist, came back as a system scientist, came back
understanding how urban dwellers, politics and global consumers we're going
to shape the future. So that brought me back into
ag research and into my system's role, and that's what
I've been doing for the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So what does the system's role involve?
Speaker 7 (30:28):
So farm systems are the plants, the animals, the management
systems the crops. But at the center of that is
the farmer's right. So my position has been understanding how
farmers and their management change the shape of the landscape.
Look at what that means for emissions, for greenhouse gas submissions,
for nitrate leeching, but advocating for the kind of choices
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and options farmers have. So bringing science to the table
so that when we talk policy it's informed by the
science that we've done With the farmer.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm going to ask you a final question, and I
know the answer to it. Do we invest enough into
our research in this country? And you'll say no, of course.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Look if we look.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
At our investment in science relative to the rest of
the world, it's low and it's really worrying when we
are Look what's holding up the country at the moment.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Jamie, agriculture, the primary industries. Yeah, we're not investing enough.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
And have our challenges gone away? No, we've got to
have science for now, but for ten and fifteen years
out as well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, well, ten and fifteen years out is when our
next guests are going to be running the cutter. I
suggest Tim dangein twenty twenty two, Young Farmer of the Air,
Emma Pool twenty twenty three. They're going to wrap the
show today, are doctor Robin Dines. Congratulations on your award
last night at the Primary Industry Awards for the Champion
of the Sector Award, well deserved.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Thanks Jammy.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Keep up the great work there you go. Be careful
what you wish for. When you say you've never been
on the show. We've got your number now, Robin. You
bug it quite literally. Anyhow, We're going to take a
did I say that, take a break and wrap it
with our keynote closing speakers, Regulars on the Country, Tim
dang Emma Paul to wrap the show from day two
of the Primary Industry Summit here in christ Church. Bring
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the Country from Day two of the Primary Industry Summit
and christ Church. Our closing keynote speakers this afternoon at
two forty five Emma Paul, Tim Dangen a vision for
the future of New Zealand farming from the next generation
of farming leaders. Wasn't I'll start with you, Emma Paul.
Wasn't that Brady vi Bicus very well inspiring sort of
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character and personality. I only met her last night at
the awards, but you know, people like her and you
guys driving ag It's the way of the future. What
had it better be?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
Thanks for having us, Jamie. It's lovely to be here
in person seeing your lovely face. Unfortunately, Tim and I
haven't been here for the whole sessions, so we haven't
seen all of the speakers, but it has been in
sing sitting through some of them today and also hearing
different perspectives possibly on some topics today, particularly in between
morning tea and lunch, about conservation and things that we
don't always think about on farm and just changing your mindset.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So I thought it was right now. Tim. You've come
all the way from Antarctica aka Riverton and Southland where
you've gone dairy farming down there from west Auckland. You're
going to be nice and handy for next week's Young
Farmer Grand Final and in the cargo.
Speaker 12 (33:27):
Yep, we'll be there with bows on Jamie very much
looking forward to it. The practical day out at Winton
there will be fantastic and you we're looking to take
the farm crew along as well and sort of showcase
the contest to them and hopefully get a few entrants
out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How have you found the acclimatization if that's the word
I'm looking for. Probably not acclimatizing to the Southland temperatures
because it's been a bit nippy down there, they tell.
Speaker 12 (33:51):
Me it has. There's been an adjustment, that's for sure.
But I'm really enjoying the sunny days that you get
after a big frost. The coldest I think we had
was minus seven Clifton, so that was a cold morning
and all the waterlines have frozen so created a few
problems there, but no loving it, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Emma you'll be down there. What hat are you wearing
down there?
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Oh, just the Emma hat. I'll be down supporting a
few of the young farmers, and you be there with
New Holland helping to run one of the egy Kids events.
So it'd be good to be on some blue tractors
here and see what the kids get up to as well.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, good on you, shameless plug, even though we're sponsored
by a different color, But good on you. You're doing
a good job, Jamie. Well you're doing a good job
for New Holland, who support you, which is wonderful. Without
letting the cat out of the bag, you too. You've
got sometimes at a conference this is like the death seat,
the last speaking slot of a conference. People are tired,
they've been out too late, they've been in a bar
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at one am, with the EU ambassador's in New Zealand
not looking at anybody in particular, and they just want
to get home, So you guys are going to have
to capture them and hold them. What have we got
coming up this afternoon? What have I got to look
forward to?
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Well, hopefully a lot of energy, Jamie, because you're right,
we're going to have to try and pick the crowd
up and get them across the finish line. So we'll
be talking largely about why we're optimistic about the sector
going forward and why we've chosen it as a career path.
And I think it's easy at conferences like this to
sometimes get a bit bogged down in the negativity that
there are a lot of challenges and issues out there.
But as Young Farms was still extremely optimistic about our
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futures within the primary sector.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, and what's your message, Emma.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
Oh, there won't be a lot of fact in the
speech there, Jammy, but a lot of opinion and a
lot of it is also about our story and how
we got here, how we came to speak on your
show regularly, how we get invited to conferences, and that's
all through the Young Farm of the Year contest and
our story to date. But yeah, I'll have a message
there around the optimism I have and that I think
we are not pulling enough resources from our local community.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, well, Tim was farming on the home beef farm
west Auckland, MIRRLEI there, but he got sick of seeing
how much money you were making on the why Caddo
dairy farm. Thus the trip down to Southland to go
share milking down there. And I know you're going down
there to do this stint to make some money to
make the farm's succession thing work. I don't know whether
you're caught up with what Todd Charter has had to
(36:05):
say or or our emerging leader, But I mean, how
tough is it? Because how many kids in your family?
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Too many, five of us, but you're all.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uber achievers so that, but how many are farming.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
Just the two of us there?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
So is it going to work?
Speaker 12 (36:22):
Oh, we'll make it work, Jamie. Absolutely Every farm has
its own unique challenges. I don't think there's an easy
succession story out there. So it's about making sure that
we prioritize relationships at the very front of it. Also,
as long as we can keep sitting around table talking
to each other then there is absolutely solutions for all
the problems that we've got.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Do you favor what Bridey did and getting somebody completely
independent in to be an independent arbitrator.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (36:47):
Absolutely. I think it's refreshing to have that sort of
person who's in the middle, who can be very neutral
and taken into account both sides of the story, because
it is easy to get emotional about these things often
because it is a there's a lot at stake and
it is an emotional topic. But the more that we
can talk about it openly together than the closer we
are to coming up with solutions.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
All right, Hey, Emma, Paul Tim Dangein, thank you very
much for your time. We're hanging around, especially to hear
your presentation. We're going to be rushing late to the airport,
so I'm sure you won't let us down. As the
closing note speakers this afternoon, a vision for the future
of New Zealand farming from the next generation. Go well
and enjoy the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final
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down and in the Cargo. Next week I won't be
there unfortunately. I'm doing something in ash Burton for Rural
co on Thursday, and then I've got a thing called
a rugby test to prepare for in Dunedin, but go well.
I'm looking forward to seeing who the FMG twenty twenty
five Young Farmer of the Year is. Thanks to your time, guys, brilliant,
Thanks Janne, perfect, Thanks Jack, thank you Okay and a
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big thank you to Mark Kelly and our Auckland Studio
for paneling this show today. Thanks to Michelle Watt our
wonderful producers. She's been a star here in christ Jitch
and to build too, technical guy here in Christchurch. Done
a great done a great shift and I'll catch you
in Ashburton next week. Bill, that's us done, and Dust
we'll catch you back in Dunedin tomorrow.
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Good day in New Zealand and welcome to the Country.
Brought to you by Brandt Mark Kelly Paneling is paneling
for us out of our Auckland studios. We're here at
day two of the Primary Industry Summit in christ Church, Hunting,
fishing and loving all day. That's a good intro to
our first guest. We're going to talk to some of
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the big winners from last night's Primary Industry Awards. We're
going to kick it off with Eric Roy, who was
the winner of the Pinnacle Award, the Outstanding Contribution Award.
A last night magnificent evening, very good. Indeed, Todd charterists
to chat to us, chief executive of Rabobank. They're the
Diamond sponsor here at the Primary Industry Summit and talking.
(01:10):
They released a paper yesterday called Changing of the Guarden.
How about this for a number more than half of
all New Zealand farm and orchard owners, approximately seventeen thousand
of them will reach the age of sixty five in
the next decade. Huge farm succession issue out there, and
we're going to follow on from Todd Charteris with the
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winner of the Emerging Leader Award last night at the
PINS Awards, Brady Verbickus Dynamic Young ag Leader, dairy farmer
milking eight hundred and fifty cows in the Bay of
Plenty and going through farm succession with her family, Doctor
Robin Dines Good Southland girl, originally winner of the Primary
Industry's Champion Award. And we're going to wrap it with
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regulars here on the country, Emma Paul and Tim Dangin
former Young Farmers of the Year. There this afternoon's closing
keynote speakers and their topic is a vision for the
future of New Zealand farming from the next generation of
farming leaders. And before I forget, before we go to
Eric Roy, a shout out to the EU Ambassador to
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New Zealand. He was on the show yesterday, Lawrence Meredith.
I got tied up with him at one am this
morning in the Rock Paul Bar. My excuse was I
was in seeing I didn't have a bettle about eleven o'clock.
But what great company he was and we ran into
a whole lot of federated farmers people. Hello to the
team from the Martin area and Jason Pines show here
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on Newstalk ZEDB apparently did their show before the Super
Rugby final from the Rock Paul Bar. There's another one
I can tick off the list, and Todd McLay will
be on the show tomorrow. He was here yesterday. They
all had to go back to Parliament for the first
reading of the Farm to Forest Bill. It was passed
unanimously last night. Every party including Chloe and the Greens
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and to party MARII supported it. So that's interesting. More
about that one tomorrow. But the man of the moment
my old mate from South and we go back a
long way, Eric, more than thirty years. I was so
pleased and proud for you to win that award last night,
and you were quite emotionally, you were almost close to tears.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Well about tears.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I things got a wee bit emotional there when I
started to think about the contribution the family that never
get recognized, allowing me to do what I wanted to
do or felt I should do. So it was good
to have an opportunity to be able to acknowledge them.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So you been a farmer, raised on a farm, farm
boy all your life, but your contribution to agriculture started
way back in nineteen sixty seven. You must have been
just a pup then, have just just left school. You
went over to do voluntary work in Vanuatu. Yeah, reached
them how to farm.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, it was called new Hebrides then, so it does
go back a weee weigh and yeah, no, I I
was pretty agitated, shall we say, or concerned about where
the world was going at that time.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And of course nineteen sixty seventy well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But you know when I left school, which was sixty
five of the two hundred and six countries in the world,
I read somewhere that only thirty were true democracies and
the rest were going to to totalitarianism. So, well, what
can I do? And about that time I heard Bobby
Kennedy say service to others as the rent that we
pay for our space on Earth. Very good quote I
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still used today, and so that's what kind of stimulated me.
And I went over there and that was quite a
cool experience and opened my eyes to think a bit
more about a whole lot of things that I learned
about coconuts and cocoa and things I had no idea about.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And well, you haven't got too many coconuts or cocoa
in the South. And of course that was nineteen sixty
seven Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Yeah, sixty eighty, Yeah, yeah, right,
So there it was into young Farmers because we're going
to go through your career. It's a good story. We
won't talk about your rugby career. But so then you
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go to Young Farmers and you kind of served or
competed at all at every level.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, well, into debating and public speaking and stock judging
and young farmily all of those things that they were,
they were an essential part of sort of learning more.
And if you go back to the origins of Young
Farmers where you know Ac Cameron wanted to get young
farmers to have more than contamination learning from the appearance,
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and you know, Young Farmers was a great institution then
and is now it's come to a sort of renaissance period.
Now it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And next week we've got the FMG Young Farmer Grand
Final and our home patches and Iamond daned in these
days in the Cargo Southland.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yep and looking forward to that and it's a great
shop window for just selling excellence and I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, we've got a couple of Young Farmers of the
Year to wrap the show today in twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three, Tim Danjel Andmber Paul Chee. They're
the dynamic new leadership. We're going to talk to a young,
dynamic leader and just a tick. You were runner up
in the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final in
nineteen seventy five and last night when you got your presentation,
I said, who was the bugger who beat you?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Paul Charman from Darfield. No, I was well beaten, but
it was a great experience. It was more of a
well there was no practical then and once I got
involved with the Scallop Young Family the Year organizing, we
introduced practical and it's grown into the competition it is today.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Isn't it fantastic that a woman, namely Emma Paul can
win it and compete on an even keel in the practical.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, well, we've been waiting for that to happen for
a long time and I think the first woman to
make the finalist Denise Brown back about nineteen eighty two
or three or thereabouts, and so really great that that happened,
and it broke a gaping well.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You became the national President of Young Farmers, later became
the World President of Young Farmers. But I'm going to
fast forward now because you're a farmer and amongst all
this as well, but I want to fast forward to
your parliamentary career.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, okay, Well, I guess coming out of the egg
Sag in the nineties, I was pretty disenchanted with farming,
and I'd stood for the Meat Board and done a
few things, but what I really think, well, let's go
to the face where decisions are made.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And so I went in.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I want to be the Minister of Agriculture, make some
changes that never happened, but you certainly have an influence
in there, and cheering the egg Caucus and the Primary
Production Select Committee and a few jobs like that.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But I got sort of shuffled.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Into being a weapon, then into assistant speaker and then
Ebudy speaker, and you kind of serve where you've got
a skill set. And Young Farmers taught me how to
cheer meetings absolutely no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And you're a bit of a stickler for standing order.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I am, yep.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And everything you do is on precdent. If you let
something go someone household. Yeah, and we've we've actually seen
that in parliament.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Now do you reckon the current speaker? This is getting
off script and please feel free to go there. But
is Jerry brownly handling it as well as he could?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Well, he's kind of put stuff back in the bag
that Trevor Mallard lead out of the bags.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Who's let's be honest, he's the worst speaker we've ever
had on this.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Game in my lifetime anyway. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And I'm nurse feeding babies in the chair and being
inclusive and all that and the change address, all of
that stuff has just been you know, a widge of
just moving the standards to where we are today. And
that's why you said I was a stickler. I just
think you set your standard and you hold them and
everything else eminates from.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Winston instead, right, don't start me on the cowboy hats
and the colonial anyhow. So, so six terms as an
MP originally for our then from the cargo when they're
all combined and a bit of ill health in the
end probably changed her mind about retiring, did it.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I know that the ill health was non Hodgkins slim
Homer in ninety ninety seven, and that's probably what upset
my sort of trend into.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The Minister of away.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, well, that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
And then there was changes of leadership at the top,
and no one knew how brilliant I was. So and
now I had that bit of a fight on my
hands for about a year, and yeah, got that behind me.
So carried on. One of the things people say, ah,
are you're still going now? I'm actually in my second life.
I was supposed to die when I was forty nine
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arm and I'm just in my twenties again.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now do you.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Mind me letting this fact out? You're seventy seven on Friday.
That makes you almost as old as Winston. He's still going.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Straight well, and Trump's two years older as well. Don't
compare me to trop you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, just a final one, because this is an award,
an accolade for sixty years of service to New Zealand Egg.
It was the pinnacle award these days. I mean, you're
you're still in there, You're the chair of n z
porl not bad for a broken down Southland sheep farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, well you go back to say, you know, what
did I know about coconuts and coco Well, I mean
I got interested in pork because hang on what place
of Monogastric Scott in the future of New Zealand farming.
Here's an opportunity to learn a new skill. And when
Damien O'Connor rang me out and said, hey, I've got
a job for you, interesting call from the other side
of the house.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I need someone that can sort of bring this thing
together and I need to learn about this and we
never stopped learning, either going forward or going back.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And just a final comment, we need to stop importing
what is at sixty percent of Yeah, well criminal. So
when you go in there to buy your bacon, it
might be a bit cheaper, but look for New Zealand
made mind you it might be come from overseas and
have a New Zealand. Yeah, that's a challenge.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's an ongoing argument.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
And I took the rigs to this Regulation Review Select
Committee and they're under review again.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's an ongoing challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Good Hey your at Croy. Congratulations. I was so proud
of you last night, mate, winning the Outstanding Contribution Award
at the Primary Industry New Zealand Awards last night. Up next,
they released the paper yesterday from Rabobank, the Diamond sponsor here.
The report was Changing of the Guard, some frightening numbers
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on farm succession. Todd charteris up next, and then we're
going to talk to the winner of the Emerging Leader
Award who was going through farm succession with her family,
bridey ver Bickus. Before the end of the hour, Doctor
Robin Dines, another winner last night, winner of the Primary
Industry's Champion Award. Am I going to wrap it with
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today's closing keynote speakers at the summit, Emma Paul and
Tim Dangel will be back after the break This do
on twenty one after twelve The Country Live. I suppose
we can't be anything but from the Primary Industry Summit,
day two of two. We wrap it this afternoon later
in the hour our keynote closing speakers Emma Paul and Dangon.
(12:01):
But this man, Todd charteris Chief executive of Rabobank, regular
on the Country Diamond sponsor here. Todd yesterday the team
at Rabobank released the Changing of the Guard report, and
this is about farm succession. Approximately seventeen thousand farmers and
growers will reach the age of sixty five in the
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next decade.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Is it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So we've got a huge succession issue and you're saying
it's a conservative estimate. Is one hundred and fifty billion
in farming assets will depend on a successful succession process.
And there's no easy way with farm succession. How are
we going to get through this?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
No, thank you, good Affnon Jamie, look that no, there
is no easy way. But I think it all starts
with starting the conversation and starting the process and our
big numbers, as you say, and which is the research
has shown. But I think the other piece of interesting
research that shann there's around about a third of far
surveyed have a plan around succession. There's about seventeen percent
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that have talked about it, but about that leaves about
fifty that actually haven't started yet. And so I think
that's the opportunity here is to start because we see
that challenge coming ahead of us. So the sooner we start,
sooner we can find solutions.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Brady Vibicus, who's coming up, said and she can tell
her story. But she did tell me this morning that
in her family's case, they got and basically someone from
the outside and who knew nothing about their family, you know,
an independent arbitrator. Is that the way to go?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Look, I think it's case by case and situation by situation.
But that's a very common approach and very successful. I
would say we heard the same from a couple of
families yesterday that we had a breakfast here who have
been through that process and they've used external help to help.
You know, independent someone that can probably ask those tough
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questions and bring some of those issues out and let
all the voices be heard, I suppose. So it's a
good approach.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So hypothetically, so you've got and Bridey's case, I think
it's three kids in their family, and maybe one of
them wants to go farming. The other two wants some
capital out of the farm eventually obviously to set up
their own lives. Is it almost impossible to treat siblings
fairly if one or two of them want to carry
on farming.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Well, yeah, as I said earlier, I mean every situation
is different. I think sometimes we get hung up on
equal versus equitable and that's not the same, but it
really depends on the overall family situation we are seeing,
and we highlighted in the white paper some of these
sort of hybrid ownership models where some family members can
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perhaps exit other external investors come in, but it's a
way that the family can actually keep a connection to
the land in a different ownership structure.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We've got less and less farmers in this country because
farms are getting bigger and bigger, and that's just the
way of the world. But with those bigger farms come
bigger price tags, which makes it even more difficult.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
The numbers are bigger, but also the complexity of the
businesses are different as well. Because they're bigger, they're employing
more people. So there's a whole lot of challenges that
need to.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Be worked through.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And I think that, I guess is the motivation to
bring this white paper forward is to start the conversations
and to help work through those solutions case by case.
Because he is around about seventeen thousand, as you said,
that need to occur in the next ten years or so.
That's a big number. And the sooner we start, the
sooner we can help to solve for it now.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I was trying to get a hold of you last
night after the awards to catch up for a bear.
You went missing an action. I got stuck with the
EU Ambassador's in New Zealand, Lawrence Meredith. What a hard
case he is. I left them in the rock Pool
bar with some farmers from the Horror for Noua region.
He was going all guns blazing.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
No look at first of all the awards did. It
was a great night and you did well. Did a
good job, Jamie, and it was great to celebrate those
awards in full credit to all of them.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It was fantastic, Lucky and pick on you for your
Who would be your doppelganger?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I've got no idea. I haven't considered it, and I
don't need to either. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think Michelle. Are you going to Michelle's going to? Yes,
you can, you can before the end of the hour.
You can. You haven't got a microphone, but just look
up who Todd's doppelganger might be. I'm interested to know anyhow.
So Hey, thank you very much, thanks to Rabobank for
being the Diamond sponsor in association with Federated Farmers who
do a bloody good job. Excuse my language. When it
comes to this event. It's the who's who of New
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Zealand agriculture and the primary industry and for those of
us who are right in amongst it, you just can't
beat this for a networking opportunity.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Now, I agree, Jamien. Look, we're proud to be associated
with it in Weld under Federated Farmers and it's been
a great agenda this year I think, and lots of
really good conversation out of it. So thanks for your
part two.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Good on you, Todd Charter as chief executive of a Rabobank.
It's twenty six or coming up to twenty seven after twelve.
Up next the winner that We've got three big winners
on today, Bride I of a Bicker Swinner of the
Emerging Leader Award, Dynamic young dairy farmer from the Bay
of Plenty milking eight hundred and fifty cows. They're going
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through a farm succession plan and their family farm. We'll
have rural news and sports news for you, doctor Robin
Dines and then our closing keynote speakers Emma Paul and
Tim Dangin. Before the end of the hour, will be
back after the break Comba me he Camba me twenty
nine after twelve Welcome back to the country, the winner
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of the Emerging Leader award, and she spoke really well
last night as Bay of Plenty Dairy Farmer, Dynamic Young
agg Leader Bridy ver Bickus. And we're trying to work
out who your doppelgangers. We'll come back to that. I
think we've decided for Todd Charteris, we're going with Will Ferrell,
comedian and I think that's not bad. I think Todd's
(17:50):
aaby to take that. He's just having a look at
the website now with Michelle Bridy. You must have been
very proud winning that award last night because people were
talking about you as a future leader of Federated Farmers.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Yeah, Hi, Jamie, Yeah, it was a real shock actually
to get that award, but it was really really nice
to be recognized by all of my peers with Infederated
Farmers in the egg industry, and they thought that I
was deserving of it. So it's really coo.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, what's your involvement with Federated Farmers.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I'm the Bay of Clany Sheier Farmer chair.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're milking eight hundred and fifty cows.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Yes, this coming season.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, well yourself sort of kind of you're running myself,
aren't you.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Yes, I'm running the ship. So it's myself and three staff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, so tell us about your family setup. No, I
need to delve too deep into it. But this morning
we were talking about farm succession and I knew you
were going to be following on from Todd Charter is
there And I quoted something you said to me when
it came to your family. I think three children or
three siblings, two are going farming and one isn't. And
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you brought someone in completely independent either, have a look
at the farming setup.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Yeah. So yeah, So there's three daughters in my family,
and my sister Heather, she's farming with her husband on
the home farm, and then I'm on my piece. And
then my sister Colleen, she's living in a hope in
the Sunny Hope. So yeah, we got in our real
coach to help us with the succession. My parents really
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didn't want to be in a situation where there would
be any uncertainty if they were to pop their clogs early. Yes,
so we got in real coach and it was a
really interesting process. It was really neat to really feel heard.
So we had independent one on ones with Scott and yeah,
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and then we came together as a team and we
all had the same thoughts and feelings about what we
all kind of wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And yeah, because one of the difficult things about farm
succession is not only getting the next generation, and it's
getting the generation who owned the farm out and they
don't want to be paupersed. So and I've seen it
where farmers have put kids in there or whatever and
probably not taken enough out themselves. So you've got to
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make sure that you look after that generation.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yeah, absolutely, And they've they've worked so hard for what
they've got, so the end of the day, it's all
of their hard work. So yeah, we're all very yeah,
very proud of proud of them.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well you've done well. Look on your buyer when we
talked about this last night. You support fellow farmers through advocacy,
dispute resolution and practical workshops. You're also a founding trustee
of agg Recovery. What's all that about.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Yeah, so about a year ago I came on Egg
Recovery Board as a trustee, so I represent the dairy
industry in that space, and yeah, it's something that just
really aligns with my love of the environment. It's a
really neat organization to be involved in, and just where
it's heading is really neat.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So helping reduce farm waste nationwide. What are we talking about,
Baylor's wrap and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, a lot of small bags, so HDP bags and
drums and things, so all of those plastics in that that. Yeah,
there's obviously so much waste on farm, so having the
ability to take that to a recycling center and know
that it's going to be going into more products that
can then be recycled as well. So it's not just
about a single use after the recycling, it's about making
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sure they're made into products that can then be recycled again,
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
In ten years time we'll be talking about Bridy Vibiicus
the president of Federated Farms. I mean Katie Milne did it.
She broke the grass ceiling?
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Yeah she did. Yeah, who knows, We'll wait and see.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That sounds like I'm just happy to be the MP
for Twonga from you, I don't know about that. A Bridy,
lovely to catch up with you last night. Congratulations it's
a real feather in your cap to win the Emerging
Leader Award. The future of farming with people like yourself
and Tim and Emma who are going to hear from
later in the hour is very good. Indeed, go well,
thanks for your tom so much, Rightio, it is twenty
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six away from one. We're going to take a break
back on the other side of it. Another segment in
our Young Farmer Region off as you get to vote
for which region you want to win heading into next
week's grand Final. And inmbicargo are doctor Robin Dines, winner
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of the Primary Industry's Champion Award from AG Research, Good
Southland Girl as well and as I said, former Young
Farmers of the Year Emma Paul and Tim Dangin to
wrap the show, today's FMG Young Farmer Region Representative is
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James Robbie for East Coast. Okay, James, you've got sixty
seconds to sell your region to the rest of the country.
Off you go.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Well, the East Coast is the true heartland of New Zealand.
It's one of those places that a lot of people
refer to as still living in the good old days.
And you know, I think even though we're quite a
sort of remote, rugged region with some pretty marginal weather
at times. It's a really special place that really sort
of cultivates the best out of New Zealand's young farmers.
(23:20):
I was born and raised here and feel that as
an East Coast young farmer, it's been the ultimate proving ground,
the ultimate training school for me to learn to farm.
So it's a really fantastic place. Really blessed to be
working alongside the winners from the Teenagg and the Agri
Kids this year's Young Farm of the Year competition. They're
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a fantastic little team themselves from further north up the
coast from me. But look, hopefully we can all work
together at this season fifty seven of Young Farm of
the Year and get a good result for the East Coast.
We've decided to go with supporting the Royal Support Trust
who just did some fantastic work throughout Cyclone Gabriel, which
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of course I think that the East Coast really terribly
tides up.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Thanks James. While you've just heard James Robbie's pitch for
East Coast, now it's over to you to go and
vote in the FMG Region off. Go to FMG dot
co dot Nz Ford slash Region off and vote before
July five.
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Speaker 2 (24:31):
Guest twenty one away from one. Michelle Watts, producer doing
an excellent job running around here in christ Church organizing
me and big thanks to Bill Turmey for the technical
side of it. I think we've almost got through today
without a cock up as the probably the word I'm
looking for. Touch what on that one? Michelle? What's the
(24:52):
latest in rural news? And we got something from Todd
mclough nothing new.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
You kind of cut my lunch earlier with us. I
think I heard you mention it. I was like, oh,
you're still well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think it's quite nice that if we go to
Parliament and everyone in the house, all the parties agree,
you know, yeah, the Greens to party marry the whole lot.
So everyone has agreed apparently to the first reading or
voted for the first reading of the farm to forest ban. Yeah,
it's unanimously passed.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
Yeah, this is huge news. So we'll wait on tinderhoks
to see what happens next. I think we're going to
try and get tight on the show tomorrow to have
a chat about it and fell us in on the
details a little bit more so we'll wait until they
listen out then for that I think we have Mark
on the other end was sport.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Sport with AFCO.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Visit them online at AFCO dot co.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Dot enzed Yes, thank you, Michelle. Auckland Cities Amateurs have
hold Argentinian professional Boker juniors to all one All Club
World Cup football draw in Nashville, despite letting in sixteen
goals from their previous two matches. Benfica and Bayern Munich
have have secured the group's knockout spots. And cracking news
for New Zealands. This woman Zoe Hobbs, who's toppled her
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own one hundred meter record at the World Athletics Continental
to a meeting in the Czech Republic, running a ten
point ninety four seconds Back to you, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, thanks Mark, What a great athlete she has. Of course,
stock agent's daughter of course. Yeah, sorry Tobs. So what's
been the highlight for you? Michelle? This is your first
time at a primary industry summit or awards.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Probably getting to actually meet all these people that I
talked to on the phone email and i've seen pictures
of you know, for the whole year that i've been here.
It's been really fantastic. Everyone's really lovely and I think
that's been the highlight. And of course working with you, Jamie,
featuring your coffee, taking care of you, that's my main highlight.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh well, thank you very much for that. You're doing
an excellent job of that. And as I said, Bill Turmey,
doing an excellent job getting us to air. We're going
to take a break with Eric Roy. Maybe it was
the Pinnicle event, maybe it wasn't. I mean he got
Outstanding Contribution award last night at the Primary Industry Awards,
I think, and of course Brady was the emerging leader.
(26:58):
But the winner of the Primary Industry's Champion Award is
up next and that is doctor Robin Dines from ag Research,
a good Southland girl. Looking forward to chatting to her next.
And I see Emma Paul and Tim Dangeon have arrived.
They'll be all fizzed up because they're doing the keynote
closing address at the summit this afternoon. Back after the
(27:19):
break with the Primary Industry's Champion winner Legal Welcome back
to the country, coming to you from christ Church. Winner
of the Primary Industry's Champion Award last night, doctor Robin
Dines from AG Research and Robin, you're effectively going to
be the last winner of anything from AG research because
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was it later this week? AG Research doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
That's right, Jamie, from the first of July. From the
first of July, which is next week, AG Research becomes
part of the combined New Institution, which is the New
Zealand Bioeconomy Science Institute. So yes, probably the last AGG
Research person to get recognized under the EGG Research banner.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, just before we talk about you, I want to
pay tribute to someone else who was up there. Another
award winner last night was the Foundation for Arable Research.
And she's very understated, but we had a true we
had a Dame Dame Allison Stuart up there, and wasn't
it good to see someone recognize for doing the hard
yards and the background look very.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Much and so well deserved to see Dame Allison become
Dame Allison. Her contribution to the New Zealand arable system,
but more generally, you know her capacity to bring strong
science and reasoned argument to the table a second to none.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Tell us about your background, because like me, you're a Southlander.
You grew up on a sheep farm I think in Wyndham.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
No, so well, my parents came from Wyndham.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Our sheep and beef farm was at Arthurton, just north
of Pokerell. So I went to Pokerell Primary School, started
my secondary career at Gore High but finished at Methvin
High School as it was in now Mount Hat College,
so we moved to Canterbury. Best of all worlds Crusader supporter.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh god, if I'd known that. One of the reasons
you're on the show today when you walked off stage
last night and I was patting you on the back,
and you said, well, I haven't been on your show yet.
So you're the author of your own demise here. So
you're on the show. But it's good to know that
you're a regular listener to the show and you so
you listen to the online version on your drive home.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Indeed, Jamie, every night when I jump in the car,
turn Jamie mchaye on to find out what's happening on
the ground. Hear the comment and know what I'm going
to be arguing about with my brother in lawd.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
God on, you tell me about your background, like your
twenty years service to the egg industry or you were
twenty years with AGG research, aren't you?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So I started.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
I'm a Lincoln University graduate, proud Lincoln graduate. Headed off
to Australia in the nineties, Jamie after my PhD. There
was simply no options here for me, but that was
the best thing I could do. Work in the Mediterranean,
a completely different environment. The farmers are the same and
yet different. So I did fourteen years there and then
came back to AG research, went over there as an
(30:09):
animal scientist, came back as a system scientist, came back
understanding how urban dwellers, politics and global consumers we're going
to shape the future. So that brought me back into
ag research and into my system's role, and that's what
I've been doing for the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So what does the system's role involve?
Speaker 7 (30:28):
So farm systems are the plants, the animals, the management
systems the crops. But at the center of that is
the farmer's right. So my position has been understanding how
farmers and their management change the shape of the landscape.
Look at what that means for emissions, for greenhouse gas submissions,
for nitrate leeching, but advocating for the kind of choices
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and options farmers have. So bringing science to the table
so that when we talk policy it's informed by the
science that we've done With the farmer.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm going to ask you a final question, and I
know the answer to it. Do we invest enough into
our research in this country? And you'll say no, of course.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Look if we look.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
At our investment in science relative to the rest of
the world, it's low and it's really worrying when we
are Look what's holding up the country at the moment.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Jamie, agriculture, the primary industries. Yeah, we're not investing enough.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
And have our challenges gone away? No, we've got to
have science for now, but for ten and fifteen years
out as well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, well, ten and fifteen years out is when our
next guests are going to be running the cutter. I
suggest Tim dangein twenty twenty two, Young Farmer of the Air,
Emma Pool twenty twenty three. They're going to wrap the
show today, are doctor Robin Dines. Congratulations on your award
last night at the Primary Industry Awards for the Champion
of the Sector Award, well deserved.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Thanks Jammy.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Keep up the great work there you go. Be careful
what you wish for. When you say you've never been
on the show. We've got your number now, Robin. You
bug it quite literally. Anyhow, We're going to take a
did I say that, take a break and wrap it
with our keynote closing speakers, Regulars on the Country, Tim
dang Emma Paul to wrap the show from day two
of the Primary Industry Summit here in christ Church. Bring
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the Country from Day two of the Primary Industry Summit
and christ Church. Our closing keynote speakers this afternoon at
two forty five Emma Paul, Tim Dangen a vision for
the future of New Zealand farming from the next generation
of farming leaders. Wasn't I'll start with you, Emma Paul.
Wasn't that Brady vi Bicus very well inspiring sort of
(32:41):
character and personality. I only met her last night at
the awards, but you know, people like her and you
guys driving ag It's the way of the future. What
had it better be?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
Thanks for having us, Jamie. It's lovely to be here
in person seeing your lovely face. Unfortunately, Tim and I
haven't been here for the whole sessions, so we haven't
seen all of the speakers, but it has been in
sing sitting through some of them today and also hearing
different perspectives possibly on some topics today, particularly in between
morning tea and lunch, about conservation and things that we
don't always think about on farm and just changing your mindset.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So I thought it was right now. Tim. You've come
all the way from Antarctica aka Riverton and Southland where
you've gone dairy farming down there from west Auckland. You're
going to be nice and handy for next week's Young
Farmer Grand Final and in the cargo.
Speaker 12 (33:27):
Yep, we'll be there with bows on Jamie very much
looking forward to it. The practical day out at Winton
there will be fantastic and you we're looking to take
the farm crew along as well and sort of showcase
the contest to them and hopefully get a few entrants
out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How have you found the acclimatization if that's the word
I'm looking for. Probably not acclimatizing to the Southland temperatures
because it's been a bit nippy down there, they tell.
Speaker 12 (33:51):
Me it has. There's been an adjustment, that's for sure.
But I'm really enjoying the sunny days that you get
after a big frost. The coldest I think we had
was minus seven Clifton, so that was a cold morning
and all the waterlines have frozen so created a few
problems there, but no loving it, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Emma you'll be down there. What hat are you wearing
down there?
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Oh, just the Emma hat. I'll be down supporting a
few of the young farmers, and you be there with
New Holland helping to run one of the egy Kids events.
So it'd be good to be on some blue tractors
here and see what the kids get up to as well.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, good on you, shameless plug, even though we're sponsored
by a different color, But good on you. You're doing
a good job, Jamie. Well you're doing a good job
for New Holland, who support you, which is wonderful. Without
letting the cat out of the bag, you too. You've
got sometimes at a conference this is like the death seat,
the last speaking slot of a conference. People are tired,
they've been out too late, they've been in a bar
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at one am, with the EU ambassador's in New Zealand
not looking at anybody in particular, and they just want
to get home, So you guys are going to have
to capture them and hold them. What have we got
coming up this afternoon? What have I got to look
forward to?
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Well, hopefully a lot of energy, Jamie, because you're right,
we're going to have to try and pick the crowd
up and get them across the finish line. So we'll
be talking largely about why we're optimistic about the sector
going forward and why we've chosen it as a career path.
And I think it's easy at conferences like this to
sometimes get a bit bogged down in the negativity that
there are a lot of challenges and issues out there.
But as Young Farms was still extremely optimistic about our
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futures within the primary sector.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, and what's your message, Emma.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
Oh, there won't be a lot of fact in the
speech there, Jammy, but a lot of opinion and a
lot of it is also about our story and how
we got here, how we came to speak on your
show regularly, how we get invited to conferences, and that's
all through the Young Farm of the Year contest and
our story to date. But yeah, I'll have a message
there around the optimism I have and that I think
we are not pulling enough resources from our local community.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, well, Tim was farming on the home beef farm
west Auckland, MIRRLEI there, but he got sick of seeing
how much money you were making on the why Caddo
dairy farm. Thus the trip down to Southland to go
share milking down there. And I know you're going down
there to do this stint to make some money to
make the farm's succession thing work. I don't know whether
you're caught up with what Todd Charter has had to
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say or or our emerging leader, But I mean, how
tough is it? Because how many kids in your family?
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Too many, five of us, but you're all.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uber achievers so that, but how many are farming.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
Just the two of us there?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
So is it going to work?
Speaker 12 (36:22):
Oh, we'll make it work, Jamie. Absolutely Every farm has
its own unique challenges. I don't think there's an easy
succession story out there. So it's about making sure that
we prioritize relationships at the very front of it. Also,
as long as we can keep sitting around table talking
to each other then there is absolutely solutions for all
the problems that we've got.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Do you favor what Bridey did and getting somebody completely
independent in to be an independent arbitrator.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (36:47):
Absolutely. I think it's refreshing to have that sort of
person who's in the middle, who can be very neutral
and taken into account both sides of the story, because
it is easy to get emotional about these things often
because it is a there's a lot at stake and
it is an emotional topic. But the more that we
can talk about it openly together than the closer we
are to coming up with solutions.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
All right, Hey, Emma, Paul Tim Dangein, thank you very
much for your time. We're hanging around, especially to hear
your presentation. We're going to be rushing late to the airport,
so I'm sure you won't let us down. As the
closing note speakers this afternoon, a vision for the future
of New Zealand farming from the next generation. Go well
and enjoy the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final
(37:28):
down and in the Cargo. Next week I won't be
there unfortunately. I'm doing something in ash Burton for Rural
co on Thursday, and then I've got a thing called
a rugby test to prepare for in Dunedin, but go well.
I'm looking forward to seeing who the FMG twenty twenty
five Young Farmer of the Year is. Thanks to your time, guys, brilliant,
Thanks Janne, perfect, Thanks Jack, thank you Okay and a
(37:48):
big thank you to Mark Kelly and our Auckland Studio
for paneling this show today. Thanks to Michelle Watt our
wonderful producers. She's been a star here in christ Jitch
and to build too, technical guy here in Christchurch. Done
a great done a great shift and I'll catch you
in Ashburton next week. Bill, that's us done, and Dust
we'll catch you back in Dunedin tomorrow.
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