September 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Nicola Willis, Jane Smith, Hamish Marr, and Blake Holgate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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And get a New Zealand and to welcome to the Country.
The show is brought to you by Brandt. I'm Jamie mckaye.
That hasn't changed, but the show is not coming from
Danita and HQ. Today. We are in christ Church going
to kick it off as we do on a Wednesday.
While we normally kick it off with the Prime Minister
Christopher Luxen, but he's out of the country, so filling
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in for the PM Minister of Finance Nichola Willis. Is
it a role she wants on a permanent basis. Lots
of rumors about rolling Christopher Luxe and Jane Smith, north
Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalists getting dry on the farm
in north Otago. What's she doing with Roland Smith's handpiece
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on the farm and what does she make about Paris.
I think she sent me a text and she said
she wants to talk about the fascinating arms race between
Seymour and Winston to claim who thought of getting out
of Paris first? Talking about that Paris climate agreement accord
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haima shmah. I'm in Canterbury. I thought i'd better speak
to a Canterbury farmer. He's a Canterbury arable farmer. He's
also New Zealand's Special Agricultural Trade Endvoy. I will get
his thoughts on challenging times for the arable industry and
what he thinks we should do around Paris. Somehow, I suspect,
without knowing the answer, that him and Jane Smith may
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have opposite views. A really interesting survey came out yesterday
from rab Bank along with the food charity key We Harvest.
It was a food waste survey. We waste three billion
dollars worth of food in this country per annum. The
good news is well that there's no good news about
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that number. But the good news is it's dropped from
three point two billion in twenty twenty three. Our overall
food waste wait for this is ten point nine percent
of all food we buy. We waste it doesn't get eaten.
It has dropped from twelve point two percent, and there's
some really interesting stats around the boomers versus gen X,
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Y and Z, and also male versus female, who wastes
the most food and whether urban dwellers or rural folk
are better at utilizing food. I think I know the
answer to that one already and we're going to wrap
it with David Berger. He is the chief science and
Innovation officer from dairy En z Mke's always been jumping
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up and down about nitrates and waterways, especially here in
Canterbury where I am today. But could the common plant
plantain be a savior on that front. We're going to
look at the effect plantain has on nitrates leeching into
our soils and waterways. It is all on the country
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being paneled out of Auckland today by Mark Kelly, producer
of the Country Sport Breakfast. We'll be back in just
a tick with Nikola Willis.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Did you name to the jan.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The edge of you s drunken?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, let's know, let's know what.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
The country kicking off the country today in place of
the Prime Minister Christopher Luckson is Finance Minister Nikola Willis
and Nicola is this a four runner of things to
come on a weekly Wednesday basis, Is this part of
your plan to roll luson?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Absolutely not. And you know that Chris loves his time
on the show with you, Jamie, and we love him
being our home Minister. But if you ever want to
give me a call so I can talk with your listeners,
I would love the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, let's start with some financial things. Seeing you're the
Minister of Finance. I note that a labor has come out,
Barbara Edmonds, who in my mind is one of the
better labor and peace, and she has come out and said,
maybe we need to adjust that inflation threshold. Instead of
a midpoint for the Reserve Bank of keeping inflation under
control of two percent, we go for two and a half.
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What do you say about that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Well, higher inflation just means bigger price increases, which equals
a higher cost of loving. But on reflection, maybe she's
just being honest because that is labor's track record deliver
a higher inflation which means a higher cost of living
for Kiwi's and a worse economy. And maybe she's just
tronting up to reality.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, maybe she's got a point. Though the cure was
worse than the disease, because it would be fair to
say the Reserve Bank has completely cocked up the ocr
in recent times. My words, not yours.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Well, when we talk to Kiwi's they tell us the
thing that is really in their face right now is
price increases. And when you look back over the past
three years, it was when inflation got completely out of control.
Remember it was out of control for three years, it
went up to more than seven percent, that the economy
really went backwards and that's when things really get out
of control. And so low stable inflation is something that
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is needed for a strong economy that National has delivered
in the past, that we're delivering now and we think
is essential for the future.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The economy is coming right, But are you worried you're
starting to get a bit starting to have sleepless nights
that you're going to run a runway before the election
because Chippy, you realize, is in danger of sleep walking
to victory if you to believe the latest polls. And
some people might not like National New Zealand first and act,
but Heaven help us if Chloe became got your job
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Minister of Finance, would be a rush for the airport.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, well, look of course I wake up every day
thinking about how we can go harder, faster to strengthen
this economy. But I trust New Zealanders. They're pretty smart.
I think as they really appraise their options and the
lead up to next year's election, they're going to understand
that electing Chloe's for Brooker's finance minister, and it's a
party Marti labor arrangement. There is no recipe for a
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stronger economy, for better health or education services or a
better cost of living that won't deliver. And look, there
are some good signs, Jamie. We know that around forty
percent of mortgages refix over just the next ten months,
and when they do, they'll be coming down to much
lower interest rates, which means a bit more money and budgets,
more money being spent in local businesses in local communities.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We've seen that.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Retail spending has started to come up in those confident
levels are starting to recover. Those are all the things
you'd expect to see with inflation under control, interstrates coming down,
and our export is still doing incredibly well despite everything.
The world is throng of them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
How realistic is the goal of doubling primary industry exports
in the next decade. It's a lofty goal and a
virtuous one, and we're all behind it. Derry's going to
have to do quite a bit of heavy lifting, even
though maybe horticulture is one of the vehicles that could
drive this. You've got a background in dairy, although it
went missing when you were on the Buttergate trail. We'll
come back to that one, Nicola, but she.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Never went missing. I didn't Dora love the dairy sector.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well, you were. You were a bit mean to Miles.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Ah, well, there's a story to tell about that.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
The media were mean to Miles. They made an absolute
mountain out of a molehill. And I would never condone
the way they went after him. It was completely unnecessary.
You and I just had a chat. You were doing
in the media became obsessed with that.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I'm on, Nichola, you were doing about of show boating.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
No looks quite honestly. What happened was I was in
a press conference being asked about the price of groceries
and the like, and they were asking me about what
goes into the price about it, and I said, well,
I'm actually talking with Fonterra soon and that's one of
the things I'll talk to them about And suddenly that
very fact became a sort of daily barrage of questions
about when's the meeting, what are you going to say,
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and all of this sort of thing. And I don't
take responsibility for the media's obsession with something.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, but poor ol Miles Harrel got marched down to
Parliament like a naughty schoolboy.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well I certainly didn't march him down.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
We catch up reasonably regularly, often on the fringes of
other things. He had ours to come and see me
at parliament, and he's always welcome to come and see
me at parliament. You know, this is our biggest exporter
with a really significant contribution to the economy and a
view of what's happening bobally. So all he was doing
was coming to catch up. And you know that the media,
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we're just utterly obsessed with it and turned it into
that outrageous thing. And I don't like that that happened
to him. You know, he's my former boss and he
really supported me at Fontira, helped me learn a heck
of a lot developed me. I think he's a good leader,
and you know, I don't think he needed to be.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There was wisdom of hindsight. You'd admit, buttergate was a
beat up.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If I could go.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Back to that day where I mentioned that I was
meeting with him, I would never have mentioned that again.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
All right, let's go back to the original question. The
goal of doubling primary industry exports dairy having to do
the heavy lifting. And that's fine and dandy, but is
it environmentally sustainable. I mean, if you ask doctor Mike Joy,
he would say, no, We've already got far too many cows.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Well, a couple of things. It's not all going to
come from deary.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I remember, around thirty percent of our exports services.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
And wild area is an important part of our goods exports,
so it's not the only part. But the second thing
is the story for dairy I think is one of value.
It's not just about volume. It's about the fact that
we are anything that we're getting increasing prices for our products.
But as our dairy producers continue to provide more sophisticated ingredients,
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they're going to get higher prices for those.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
I reckon.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
There's also a lot that science is going to do
in this area. You think about how much more productive
the average dairy cow is now competed to even a
decade ago, how much more milk they produce. I think
those advances will continue. We'll see developments in the grass,
We'll see developments in the genes of the animals, in
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the way that farmers farm. We've got the best productivity
story ever in New Zealand dairy and I'm very optimistic
that will continue into the future, meaning we'll get even
more value out of dairy in the using here.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
One final question that's not on the script. Chippy couldn't
decide how to define a woman. It would be fair
to say that Stuart Nash had it figured out all
beit and slot the vulgar manner. What do you make
of Stuart's comments, because he's a bit of an out
there character, and what do you make of him standing
for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
First, well, I really didn't like his comments.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, how do I explain comments like that to
my thirteen and nine year old daughters? Simply count? So
that's all I'll say on that, And look in terms
of New Zealand, says, I don't know that he's actually
concerned his candidacy. Obviously, they'll go through this selection process
and every party runs its own process on that, so
national we'll focus on our candidates, thanks very much, and
(11:32):
I'll just put to you, in whatever electric you are
in the country, vote for the national MP They're always better.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, you can get that sniff of an election in
the air. Okay, Well, I catch Christopher luxenback in this
seat in a week's time or will it be you again?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You'll catch him. He loves talking to you and I
know that your audience love listening to him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Nicola Wallis, thanks for filling in today. Thank you, Thank you, Nichola.
It is eighteen to twelve year of the country coming
out of our christ Church studios today they quite flash.
Actually maybe we need an upgrade at upgrade in daned
and he anyhow, up next we're heading back down the road,
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not quite to Dunedin, but to north Otago. Jane Smith,
north Otago farmer. I love it. She sends me a
text about what she's going to talk about, and she
wants to talk about the fascinating arms race between Seymour
and Winston to claim of who thought of getting out
of Paris first. Interesting times. They're getting pretty dry on
the farm as well. Before the end of the hour,
Canterbury Arable Farmer, Zed's special Agricultural Trade in voy hamersh
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mah Blake Holgates some stunning numbers around food waste in
this country. And doctor David Berger what does he make
of doctor Mike Joy He's the not Mike Joy. Berger
is the chief science and Innovation officer for Dairy enz
All that on the country. Michelle, it'll have rural news
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for you, Mark Kelly Paneling the show out of Auckland
with Sport. We'll be back after the break with Jane Smith.
Remember when we were driving in your car.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Speed's a fast.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Fill Arma Crown.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
She has an north Otago farmer, former winner of the
Balance Farm Environment Awards. Her name as Jane Smith. Jane
Today you want to talk, amongst other things, about the
rush to come out of the climate change closet, the
fascinating arms race as you put it between Seymour and
Winston to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first.
They're both on side with that one. Do you reckon?
(13:39):
It's going to put a bit of pressure on Christopher Luxen.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh, good afternoon, Jamen. One hundred percent of course it is.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
And actually you know it's been fascinating to see the
House of climate change hysteria cards falling, and you know,
and Paris has always been a trojan horse for that,
and it's really interesting for quite some time those of
us that are spoken up against against Paris in terms
of what it was going to not only cost the
country and money in terms of five hundred and fifty
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billion dollars, but in terms of opportunity cost of real
environmental initiatives. So it's been really interesting now to watch
this this arms race between politicians to show who thought
of at first. And you know, it's really interesting to
also see some other facets of that happening in terms
of the banks, that zero banking alliance essentially collapsing the
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Ponzi scheme, So in New Zealand, taxpayers having to fund
a bloated group bureaucracy to the tune of nearly a
billion dollars on these methane mitigation follies.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
That taxonomy. We've talked about that before on the show,
in terms of you know, access to finance.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Unless you tip the un box, you wouldn't be wouldn't
be you'd be finding that difficult to do. You know,
that methane set lights twenty seven million dollars lost somewhere
and that was only ever paid for by New Zealand taxpayers.
To find they're all in guests missions in North America
in terms of methane emissions.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you know, we've been too distracted by Paris, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
And at the same time, food, fuel and energy costs
are going through the roof, and even more so if
we carry on this trajectory, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Jane, do we leave Paris or do we try and
renegotiate a deal or are we simply a pimple on
the backside of the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
It's really interesting, Jamie. Though we often talk about ourselves
as a leader and we need to be innovative.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The rest of the world's looking at us.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
And then we turned into this sort of anemic sort
of taking an anemic position on something like Paris.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And actually, while.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
The Paris Agreement is legally binding in itself, countries decided
on their own NTC, so that's nationally determined contributions and
so those aren't legally binding. But for some bizarre reason,
we painted ourselves into this punishing food production corner instead
of actually forging our own pathway. So yeah, we need
to actually, at the very least amend it. And it's
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been fascinating over the last few days actually Owen Jennings
and myself wearing my Methane Science called hat and also
my Global Farmer table hat. We've had some great discussions
with the World Sustainable Livestock Association around the urgency of
actually changing the way room in at methane is looked
upon in the Paris Accord. And you know that's desirable
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not just from a cost and a science point of view,
but actually just for global feuds food security, Jamie. And
so we're going to be working really hard on that,
and just like the Hewoka econoited debate, but on a
much bigger scale. I mean, politicians and our farming leaders
can either join us on that or we're just going
to forge on ahead and make a difference, Jamie. And
so that's all of those you know, farmers are involved
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in that, and the likes of the ground spell guys
and Methane Science Accord, et cetera. So to have some
alliance globally on that is really great and that's what
we've been looking for for some time. So onwards and upwards,
and I'm really really excited that. The other thing is
it means that that we're actually focused back on our
naturally pasture raised production instead of this ridiculous pathway of
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methane boluses and vaccines and feed editor.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Because again, what we should be.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Most scared of is losing our naturally raised status, Jamie,
more than anything, not whether the Paris Agreement sits behind
that or not.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Jamie.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Let's go to the cold face on the North Otago farm.
You're getting a bit dry. You've hardly had any rain
over winter, which is often when you replenish, because it
could be with Larninia, if Larninia's coming that you could
get a dry summer on the east coast of both islands.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, we certainly could, Jamiene.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
I mean, things are looking good and stock are certainly
very healthy going into Lemming, and Lemming's about to start
again on most of the hills around here in the
next sort of two to three weeks. But I think
we're on our tenth day of a Norwista today, and
you know, there's statistically proven that the divorce rate increases
during the Norweista.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So this morning on the.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Farm, while I've been working with Blear, I've had the
solicitor on speed dial. But the great thing is actually
about the norwesta Jamie, as I've learnt to stand upwind
from Blear and then I cannot hear what he's yelling
at me. I can only just see his his body
language and his sign language, and neither of them were
very good, Jamie. But again, we are tending to get
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quite dry. We've had pretty much. I think we've only
had eighteen miles since the end of June, of which
we've got a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Of rain then.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
So we're looking forward to the next shower, Jamie. There
is some of the forecast in the next couple of weeks,
but yeah, we'll certainly be looking.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Out to that.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Just a final comment from you on another Smith, not
Jane Smith, that's you Ingrid Smith. You listened to her
earlier in the week on the Country and like a
lot of people, you were most impressed. She's a very
impressive woman. They're a very impressive family. And you were
vicariously claiming a connection with the Smith family because you've
got Roland Smith's hand piece.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's a bit of a long boat to all that,
wasn't it, Jamie. I think it was just one.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Of the ones that he mane of the many that
he would have won.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
In a competition.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I ended up buying it knew, but I certainly don't
do it much justice the way that I use it
in my very rough and very slow crutching technique.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But Ingrid is amazing.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I've followed her on social media for quite some time,
and I actually tend to realize until the other day
when you had her on here that she was married
to Roland. And you know, she's classy, she's hard working,
she's everything that's you know, I guess rural people are.
And you know, unlike myself, Jamie, she actually looks because
she wears lipstick and looks good out in the farm,
whereas I look like something more like one of the
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top ones.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
After a hard night out.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But no offense.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The top ones love them dearly. But you know, like
I just find her.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're fascinating.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
And again, all of these connections that are made on
social media, and there's so many examples of that are
really connecting urban people and global people with what's happening
on the farm, and you know, things that we think
are very every day and very mundane people find fascinating.
Jamie and again that's the connection with food and connecting
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people back to the rural grassroots of farming.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I think that's really important. So thank you to Ingrid.
And I think she would probably.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Be a really good replacement for me on the on
the Farming Show, Jamie. I think she's a much more
dynamic than old smash a Smith.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Get what the times were called the Country these days? Jane.
That shows you how long you've been on the show.
Maybe I could have a miss or I was going
to a mister and missus Smith panel. That would be
one idea. Or I could have Jane and Ingrid not
the top Twins, the Smith Twins. Anyhow, Jane, look, I
hope you get some rain on your North Otago farm.
Thanks as always for your time.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Thanks Jamie, Thank you Jane.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Are you with the Country? Brought to you by Brandton
Jamie mckitts bang on twelve thirty No time to waste up. Next,
because we're in Canterbury for the day, We're going to
talk to a Canterbury arable farmer. He also moonlights. In
fact it's one of his main jobs. These jobs. He's
New Zealand's special agricultural Trading Boy. His name is HaMishmar
and I reckon he might have different views on Paris
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than Jane Smith. We'll find out after the break here
on the country.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I won't pretend then.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Send welcome back to the country. We're in Canterbury today.
Beautiful day too, I might add. And I can't even
say ran Philly Shield country. It hurts me too much.
It's still too raw and tender. Okay. Our next guest
is a Canterbury farmer. He's also our special Agricultural Trade Endvoy,
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Hamish Ma. Hamish, you can talk about anything you want
other than the rand Philly Shield. Good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
How are you, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well, I'm still bruised and batted from that hiding, but
never mind unless we had it for a week six days. Hey,
talk to me firstly about the lot, because on yesterday's show,
I don't know whether you're caught up on this one.
We talked to farmer Tom Martin, our UK farm and correspondent.
He was just saying how tough the arable farmers of
which he's won in the UK are getting or having
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it at the moment. And I know from talking to
some of my arable farming friends things are a bit challenging.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah, things a certainly pretty bleak, all right, Jamie. And no,
I didn't hear the interview yesterday, but I've been following
the UK situation, and actually the situation in the UK
is no different to the situation here in some parts
of the United States. It's ararible farming generally. We have
found our situation ourselves, in a situation where costs have
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blown out compared to the price for our products. So
it's a real issue.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Could you be saved by a buoyant dairy industry, and
I'm talking about the feed grain side of things, Well.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We could, Yes, we certainly could. We'd need to convince
them to buy more of our product. The issue we have, Jamie,
is there alternatives such as palm kernel and other things
that are still brewer's grain and other supplements that are
available are easy to get and at a discount by comparison,
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or where we would need them to be to be
more profitable.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Beautiful day in Canterbury. I'm in christ Church obviously, but
Canterbury we flew over this morning. Gee, it was interesting
every time I fly over Hamish, my old university or
as a college in my day's Lincoln I look out
the window and I think, jeez, there's just new houses
being built daily out there. It's a far cry from
what it was when I was there in the eighties.
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Are you a Lincoln old boy?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I'm a Lincoln old boy. I was there in nineteen
ninety six and I finished in two thousand and I
one hundred percent agree with you, And I think I
can anticipate your question. We're going to run out of
arable farm land, and where's it all going to come
from with it?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That's great farmland out there. We used to go and
look at visit all the cropping farms when we were
at Lincoln, and they were right next door to us.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yep. And when I went to Lincoln, all of that
country there was potatoes and carrots, and there was market
Gaden country, and now it was all houses. So it
is quite a thing, most beautiful place.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, we got we've got to build up, not out,
but Canterbury or christ Church is certainly on the expansion trail. Anyhow,
my question was I'm not even sure what my question was.
You you putting. Sorry, I'm trying to do two things
at once in a new It's like I'll give a
comparison to an arable farmer. It's like jumping into a
new tractor. You know, there's lots of buttons and I'm
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just not quite sure which ones to push.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
But all you want to do is go forward, but
you don't know how, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Exactly, or even how to start the tractor. No, okay,
So put on your special agg trade in boy hat
and talk to me about Paris. You're on the payroll,
you want us to stay in.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Well, it's not that I'm on the payroll, but I
think it's very, very dangerous for us to come out.
And look, I was listening to Jane on there before
and nextly, I agree with some of what Jane's saying.
You know she was talking about we've got nationally determined contributions,
which is one hundred percent right. But what we need
to be really cognizant of is the fact that New
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Zealand we are so small, we can't we cannot dictate
the terms. And if we if we pull out of
the Paris Accord, what message does it seend? And to me,
we've and you'll hear all of our exporters say the
same thing. We're covered by seventy five. I think it's
between seventy five and eighty percent three trade agreements, some
of which have got environmental stuff written in them. But
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the fact that we've got so many free trade agreements,
if we were to pull out of this one, they
would be down on us like a ton of bricks,
and the tariffs that we've fought so hard to remove
would be straight back on us.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So are we in a position to be able to
renegotiate terms though I.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Would like to think we were. I mean, that's certainly
it's a very very good suggestion.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Let me just say, Okay, I'll take that as my
complete answer there. Let me just finish on where I
was going to go before I got lost in the
news studio. Jane was talking about it getting dry and
North Otago. You're an arable farmer here and Canterbury. Where's
your farm by the way, are you mid Canterbury?
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Mid Canterburry. I'm just below the retired gorge between Mesavon
in Mount Hut.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
So beautiful country up there, great cropping country up there.
Are you getting a bit drier? Have you fared a
bit better?
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Well, we're actually spot on at the moment, Jamie, And yes,
we've had the ten days of Northwest, but we I think,
yes seasons about ten days later than it normally would be.
I'm drilling week today which should have been in the
ground in August, so that sort of shows you where
we're at. It's just spot on right.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Now, Hamish Mara, let you go and finish drilling the wheat.
Thanks for some of your time as an arable farmer
and in your capacity as a special agricultural trade end boy.
It is twenty two away from one up. Next we're
coming back. We'll have Michelle Watt and Dunedin with Rural News,
Mark Kelly out of Auckland with the sports news. Before
(26:51):
the end of the hour, Blake Holgates and stunning figures
around food waste in this country and who's wasting the
food and if I get time Doctor David Burger from
derry En Z.
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Has Mark Kelly was sport sport with Asco Kiwi to
the Bone.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
The Warriors have sought the most realistic internal possible to
combat the panthers in Saturday's NRAL League home playoff match.
Reserve grade half back Jet Cleary has been playing the
role of his older brother Penwis playmaker Nathan during training session,
chess session, Sorry, and some news you'll be excited for.
Jamie golfer Tiger Woods has been testing out his swing
(29:54):
on the range, in which has been deemed to sign.
The forty nine year old is considering a PGA to
a ret after his recovery from a ruptured achilles tendant.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Back to Mark, Mark, I'm very excited about the Ryder
Cup coming up at the end of the month, and
it was Saturday. Is it a dilemma for you? You're
a Warriors fan through and through. You'll be going to
the game, but you're goin to ditch it at halftime
if we're behind against the Panthers and go and watch
the All Black snow. Stupid question.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
If it was last week, there'd be a sort of discussion.
But the Eden Park Streaks alive, so I'm happy, Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Mark Kelly there doing a great job paneling the show
out of Auckland. Of course, the producer for the Country
Sport Breakfast with the Old Fuller, his dad Brian Kelly,
up next, some fascinating stats from Block Block. Try that
again Blake Holgate from rabobank on food waste before the
end of the hour if I can track him down,
(30:47):
Dr David Berger, here's an interesting report that has come
across my desk. Key Weis are wasting less of their
food now than they were two years ago. This is
one of the findings from the twenty twenty five Rabobank
(31:09):
Key we Harvest food Waste survey. But we're still, Blake
Holgate from Rabobank, wasting about three billion dollars per annum
on food that we don't eat.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
That's right, Jamie, So you know the positive from the
reporters household waste. Food waste has come down from twelve
point two percent of total foods been in twenty twenty
three to ten point eight percent this year. But as
you highlight, Jamie, you know that's three billion dollars of
food that has been purchased and chucked out and that
(31:42):
equates to just over thirteen hundred dollars a household annually.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
If only the entire population was baby boomers like myself,
we would only be wasting six point eight percent of
our food. Gen Z, the young ones they're wasting seventeen
point eight percent of their food.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
Yeah, it's interesting. So one of the breakdowns we do
on the stats, has we moved to each the generations Z,
y X and baby boomers, and it does progressively start
with the younger generations wasting more right to each generational
gap at the least, like you say, baby boomers wasting release,
I will give it to Gen Z. They were the
(32:21):
biggest improver in terms of reducing food waste since we
last survey two years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
From a very low base though, Blake.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Around twenty eight percent of the food they purchased two
years ago, they told us O was wasting and they's
dropped down to approximately seventeen percent.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Another couple of interesting stats I picked up from the
survey and no surprise here, males waste more food eleven
point five percent compared to females. And this is the
other one is no surprise either. Urban dwellers waste more
at twelve point four percent than the rural counterparts do
at seven point eight percent. So ideally, Blake, what we
need in this country is more a rural based female
(33:01):
baby boomers.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
Well in terms of food waste. Jamie, that that may
well be the case. I can't comment wider than food
waste and what the survey tells us. But yeah, no,
you did right, reasonly close between the male and female split.
But that's actually a reasonable gap between urban and rural. Well,
it's there.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Average household food spend has only gone up two dollars
in the past two years from two hundred and thirty
eight dollars per week, which isn't much to two hundred
and forty, So effectively blake. Because we've had huge food
inflation in those two years, households have had to cut
back on the amount of food they buy.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly I think. Well, that's that
tells us, Jamie. As you highlight, we noted that period
food price and inflation has been significantly more than the
two dollars a week that households are telling us that
increased their speed buy. So what that tells us is
the volume of food as one air they've had to
cut down, and a third of respondents did in fact
(34:04):
tell us that they are practicing less food than they
did two years ago.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Reasons most frequently cited for food waste is number one,
food going off before you can eat it, forty five percent.
And here's the one that we can definitely improve on,
before us by and best before dates thirty three percent.
And I think some of those dates, I guess they've
got to be cautious on them, but we're throwing out
a hell of a lot of food because it's gone
(34:30):
past its best before date or whatever, but it's still
quite edible.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
Yeah, and again it's important to remember the difference between
the best before date and use by date used by
date as as a food health safety recommendation, so you know,
we shouldn't be consuming after a used by date, but
best before data simply means from a desirability or you know,
how fresh it is. It might not be optimal, but
(34:58):
it's still very much consumable and and will provide you
with a sustenance and nutrients that food contains.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
So all this is in the twenty twenty five Rabobank
Key we Harvest Food Waste Survey. You can read about
it on the rabobank website. And well done to you
rural dwelling female baby boomers. You're wasting the less food
or the less food of anyone in the country. Hey
Blake Holgate from Rabobank, thanks for your time.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Thanks Jenny.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
It is eight away from one. You are with the country.
Some of your feedback. So it appears farmers are being
blackmailed to adhere to requirements of the Paris Accord should
be called the Paris Discord. And congratulations rural New Zealand.
You're only wasting seven point eight percent of your food.
Your urban counterparts are wasting twelve point four and of
(35:48):
course the baby boomers are leading the charge up. After
the break, we're going to wrap it with some more
of your feedback. Welcome back to the country. Out of
our christ Church studios today beautiful day and Cantreby we're
(36:09):
going to catch up with doctor David Berger, get his
thoughts on Dr Mike Joy on tomorrow's show. Just wrapping
it with Mark Kelly producing the show out of Auckland. Mark.
We know you love for the Warriors, but if Penrith
was to get up and beat the Warriors and I
know their favorites and win the NRL premiership from being
(36:32):
dead set last at the beginning of the season, would
that be one of the greatest wins ever.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Yes, yes it would, and particularly that it would be
what they're fifth straight NRAL premiership. And then you throw
and there'll be their six Grand Final that they've made
in a row. It's particularly and amazing, and all the
players that they've lost from their first title back in
twenty twenty one to even we've got one of their boys,
James Fisher Harrison the team now. But I don't want
(36:57):
to think like that, Jamie. I think that the Warrior
is actually going to shock NRL this coming weekend at now.
It's smart the fortunes of faith, and I think they're.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Going to win.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
And I think they are probably going to lose the
following week, but at least they're going to get one
at home.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Well that would be a fairy tale finish as well.
When we move on to Tech the Test at the
Cake Tin on Saturday, it's going to be a great
day of sport on Saturday. Old Rassi has given a
bit of a hoosle up, hasn't he, Especially to his backline.
He's literally changed everybody. I'm not sure. I saw poor
(37:31):
old Tony Brown, who we play golf with in Duned
and sitting beside him. Do you think Raci's made the
right choice just quickly?
Speaker 10 (37:37):
Yeah? Well, I actually I can see more changes happening.
I can see him reversing a couple of them. When
you name aside that far out, you still got the
sort of twenty four hours before kickoff to change some
so I can see him changing maybe one or two more,
bringing a couple back.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Okay, there we go the thoughts of Mark Kelly producing
the show out of Auckland today. Michelle, thank you for
your contribution from Dunedin. I'll catch you back at Dunedin.
H Thank you tomorrow.
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That hasn't changed, but the show is not coming from
Danita and HQ. Today. We are in christ Church going
to kick it off as we do on a Wednesday.
While we normally kick it off with the Prime Minister
Christopher Luxen, but he's out of the country, so filling
(00:51):
in for the PM Minister of Finance Nichola Willis. Is
it a role she wants on a permanent basis. Lots
of rumors about rolling Christopher Luxe and Jane Smith, north
Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalists getting dry on the farm
in north Otago. What's she doing with Roland Smith's handpiece
(01:13):
on the farm and what does she make about Paris.
I think she sent me a text and she said
she wants to talk about the fascinating arms race between
Seymour and Winston to claim who thought of getting out
of Paris first? Talking about that Paris climate agreement accord
(01:33):
haima shmah. I'm in Canterbury. I thought i'd better speak
to a Canterbury farmer. He's a Canterbury arable farmer. He's
also New Zealand's Special Agricultural Trade Endvoy. I will get
his thoughts on challenging times for the arable industry and
what he thinks we should do around Paris. Somehow, I suspect,
without knowing the answer, that him and Jane Smith may
(01:54):
have opposite views. A really interesting survey came out yesterday
from rab Bank along with the food charity key We Harvest.
It was a food waste survey. We waste three billion
dollars worth of food in this country per annum. The
good news is well that there's no good news about
(02:16):
that number. But the good news is it's dropped from
three point two billion in twenty twenty three. Our overall
food waste wait for this is ten point nine percent
of all food we buy. We waste it doesn't get eaten.
It has dropped from twelve point two percent, and there's
some really interesting stats around the boomers versus gen X,
(02:37):
Y and Z, and also male versus female, who wastes
the most food and whether urban dwellers or rural folk
are better at utilizing food. I think I know the
answer to that one already and we're going to wrap
it with David Berger. He is the chief science and
Innovation officer from dairy En z Mke's always been jumping
(02:57):
up and down about nitrates and waterways, especially here in
Canterbury where I am today. But could the common plant
plantain be a savior on that front. We're going to
look at the effect plantain has on nitrates leeching into
our soils and waterways. It is all on the country
(03:18):
being paneled out of Auckland today by Mark Kelly, producer
of the Country Sport Breakfast. We'll be back in just
a tick with Nikola Willis.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Did you name to the jan.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The edge of you s drunken?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, let's know, let's know what.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
The country kicking off the country today in place of
the Prime Minister Christopher Luckson is Finance Minister Nikola Willis
and Nicola is this a four runner of things to
come on a weekly Wednesday basis, Is this part of
your plan to roll luson?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Absolutely not. And you know that Chris loves his time
on the show with you, Jamie, and we love him
being our home Minister. But if you ever want to
give me a call so I can talk with your listeners,
I would love the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, let's start with some financial things. Seeing you're the
Minister of Finance. I note that a labor has come out,
Barbara Edmonds, who in my mind is one of the
better labor and peace, and she has come out and said,
maybe we need to adjust that inflation threshold. Instead of
a midpoint for the Reserve Bank of keeping inflation under
control of two percent, we go for two and a half.
(04:49):
What do you say about that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Well, higher inflation just means bigger price increases, which equals
a higher cost of loving. But on reflection, maybe she's
just being honest because that is labor's track record deliver
a higher inflation which means a higher cost of living
for Kiwi's and a worse economy. And maybe she's just
tronting up to reality.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, maybe she's got a point. Though the cure was
worse than the disease, because it would be fair to
say the Reserve Bank has completely cocked up the ocr
in recent times. My words, not yours.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Well, when we talk to Kiwi's they tell us the
thing that is really in their face right now is
price increases. And when you look back over the past
three years, it was when inflation got completely out of control.
Remember it was out of control for three years, it
went up to more than seven percent, that the economy
really went backwards and that's when things really get out
of control. And so low stable inflation is something that
(05:44):
is needed for a strong economy that National has delivered
in the past, that we're delivering now and we think
is essential for the future.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The economy is coming right, But are you worried you're
starting to get a bit starting to have sleepless nights
that you're going to run a runway before the election
because Chippy, you realize, is in danger of sleep walking
to victory if you to believe the latest polls. And
some people might not like National New Zealand first and act,
but Heaven help us if Chloe became got your job
(06:14):
Minister of Finance, would be a rush for the airport.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, well, look of course I wake up every day
thinking about how we can go harder, faster to strengthen
this economy. But I trust New Zealanders. They're pretty smart.
I think as they really appraise their options and the
lead up to next year's election, they're going to understand
that electing Chloe's for Brooker's finance minister, and it's a
party Marti labor arrangement. There is no recipe for a
(06:42):
stronger economy, for better health or education services or a
better cost of living that won't deliver. And look, there
are some good signs, Jamie. We know that around forty
percent of mortgages refix over just the next ten months,
and when they do, they'll be coming down to much
lower interest rates, which means a bit more money and budgets,
more money being spent in local businesses in local communities.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We've seen that.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Retail spending has started to come up in those confident
levels are starting to recover. Those are all the things
you'd expect to see with inflation under control, interstrates coming down,
and our export is still doing incredibly well despite everything.
The world is throng of them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
How realistic is the goal of doubling primary industry exports
in the next decade. It's a lofty goal and a
virtuous one, and we're all behind it. Derry's going to
have to do quite a bit of heavy lifting, even
though maybe horticulture is one of the vehicles that could
drive this. You've got a background in dairy, although it
went missing when you were on the Buttergate trail. We'll
come back to that one, Nicola, but she.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Never went missing. I didn't Dora love the dairy sector.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well, you were. You were a bit mean to Miles.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Ah, well, there's a story to tell about that.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
The media were mean to Miles. They made an absolute
mountain out of a molehill. And I would never condone
the way they went after him. It was completely unnecessary.
You and I just had a chat. You were doing
in the media became obsessed with that.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I'm on, Nichola, you were doing about of show boating.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
No looks quite honestly. What happened was I was in
a press conference being asked about the price of groceries
and the like, and they were asking me about what
goes into the price about it, and I said, well,
I'm actually talking with Fonterra soon and that's one of
the things I'll talk to them about And suddenly that
very fact became a sort of daily barrage of questions
about when's the meeting, what are you going to say,
(08:29):
and all of this sort of thing. And I don't
take responsibility for the media's obsession with something.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, but poor ol Miles Harrel got marched down to
Parliament like a naughty schoolboy.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well I certainly didn't march him down.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
We catch up reasonably regularly, often on the fringes of
other things. He had ours to come and see me
at parliament, and he's always welcome to come and see
me at parliament. You know, this is our biggest exporter
with a really significant contribution to the economy and a
view of what's happening bobally. So all he was doing
was coming to catch up. And you know that the media,
(09:02):
we're just utterly obsessed with it and turned it into
that outrageous thing. And I don't like that that happened
to him. You know, he's my former boss and he
really supported me at Fontira, helped me learn a heck
of a lot developed me. I think he's a good leader,
and you know, I don't think he needed to be.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
There was wisdom of hindsight. You'd admit, buttergate was a
beat up.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If I could go.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Back to that day where I mentioned that I was
meeting with him, I would never have mentioned that again.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
All right, let's go back to the original question. The
goal of doubling primary industry exports dairy having to do
the heavy lifting. And that's fine and dandy, but is
it environmentally sustainable. I mean, if you ask doctor Mike Joy,
he would say, no, We've already got far too many cows.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Well, a couple of things. It's not all going to
come from deary.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I remember, around thirty percent of our exports services.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
And wild area is an important part of our goods exports,
so it's not the only part. But the second thing
is the story for dairy I think is one of value.
It's not just about volume. It's about the fact that
we are anything that we're getting increasing prices for our products.
But as our dairy producers continue to provide more sophisticated ingredients,
(10:17):
they're going to get higher prices for those.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
I reckon.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
There's also a lot that science is going to do
in this area. You think about how much more productive
the average dairy cow is now competed to even a
decade ago, how much more milk they produce. I think
those advances will continue. We'll see developments in the grass,
We'll see developments in the genes of the animals, in
(10:40):
the way that farmers farm. We've got the best productivity
story ever in New Zealand dairy and I'm very optimistic
that will continue into the future, meaning we'll get even
more value out of dairy in the using here.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
One final question that's not on the script. Chippy couldn't
decide how to define a woman. It would be fair
to say that Stuart Nash had it figured out all
beit and slot the vulgar manner. What do you make
of Stuart's comments, because he's a bit of an out
there character, and what do you make of him standing
for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
First, well, I really didn't like his comments.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, how do I explain comments like that to
my thirteen and nine year old daughters? Simply count? So
that's all I'll say on that, And look in terms
of New Zealand, says, I don't know that he's actually
concerned his candidacy. Obviously, they'll go through this selection process
and every party runs its own process on that, so
national we'll focus on our candidates, thanks very much, and
(11:32):
I'll just put to you, in whatever electric you are
in the country, vote for the national MP They're always better.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, you can get that sniff of an election in
the air. Okay, Well, I catch Christopher luxenback in this
seat in a week's time or will it be you again?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You'll catch him. He loves talking to you and I
know that your audience love listening to him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Nicola Wallis, thanks for filling in today. Thank you, Thank you, Nichola.
It is eighteen to twelve year of the country coming
out of our christ Church studios today they quite flash.
Actually maybe we need an upgrade at upgrade in daned
and he anyhow, up next we're heading back down the road,
(12:12):
not quite to Dunedin, but to north Otago. Jane Smith,
north Otago farmer. I love it. She sends me a
text about what she's going to talk about, and she
wants to talk about the fascinating arms race between Seymour
and Winston to claim of who thought of getting out
of Paris first. Interesting times. They're getting pretty dry on
the farm as well. Before the end of the hour,
Canterbury Arable Farmer, Zed's special Agricultural Trade in voy hamersh
(12:37):
mah Blake Holgates some stunning numbers around food waste in
this country. And doctor David Berger what does he make
of doctor Mike Joy He's the not Mike Joy. Berger
is the chief science and Innovation officer for Dairy enz
All that on the country. Michelle, it'll have rural news
(12:57):
for you, Mark Kelly Paneling the show out of Auckland
with Sport. We'll be back after the break with Jane Smith.
Remember when we were driving in your car.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Speed's a fast.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Fill Arma Crown.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
She has an north Otago farmer, former winner of the
Balance Farm Environment Awards. Her name as Jane Smith. Jane
Today you want to talk, amongst other things, about the
rush to come out of the climate change closet, the
fascinating arms race as you put it between Seymour and
Winston to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first.
They're both on side with that one. Do you reckon?
(13:39):
It's going to put a bit of pressure on Christopher Luxen.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh, good afternoon, Jamen. One hundred percent of course it is.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
And actually you know it's been fascinating to see the
House of climate change hysteria cards falling, and you know,
and Paris has always been a trojan horse for that,
and it's really interesting for quite some time those of
us that are spoken up against against Paris in terms
of what it was going to not only cost the
country and money in terms of five hundred and fifty
(14:05):
billion dollars, but in terms of opportunity cost of real
environmental initiatives. So it's been really interesting now to watch
this this arms race between politicians to show who thought
of at first. And you know, it's really interesting to
also see some other facets of that happening in terms
of the banks, that zero banking alliance essentially collapsing the
(14:26):
Ponzi scheme, So in New Zealand, taxpayers having to fund
a bloated group bureaucracy to the tune of nearly a
billion dollars on these methane mitigation follies.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
That taxonomy. We've talked about that before on the show,
in terms of you know, access to finance.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Unless you tip the un box, you wouldn't be wouldn't
be you'd be finding that difficult to do. You know,
that methane set lights twenty seven million dollars lost somewhere
and that was only ever paid for by New Zealand taxpayers.
To find they're all in guests missions in North America
in terms of methane emissions.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you know, we've been too distracted by Paris, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
And at the same time, food, fuel and energy costs
are going through the roof, and even more so if
we carry on this trajectory, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Jane, do we leave Paris or do we try and
renegotiate a deal or are we simply a pimple on
the backside of the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
It's really interesting, Jamie. Though we often talk about ourselves
as a leader and we need to be innovative.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The rest of the world's looking at us.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
And then we turned into this sort of anemic sort
of taking an anemic position on something like Paris.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And actually, while.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
The Paris Agreement is legally binding in itself, countries decided
on their own NTC, so that's nationally determined contributions and
so those aren't legally binding. But for some bizarre reason,
we painted ourselves into this punishing food production corner instead
of actually forging our own pathway. So yeah, we need
to actually, at the very least amend it. And it's
(15:52):
been fascinating over the last few days actually Owen Jennings
and myself wearing my Methane Science called hat and also
my Global Farmer table hat. We've had some great discussions
with the World Sustainable Livestock Association around the urgency of
actually changing the way room in at methane is looked
upon in the Paris Accord. And you know that's desirable
(16:12):
not just from a cost and a science point of view,
but actually just for global feuds food security, Jamie. And
so we're going to be working really hard on that,
and just like the Hewoka econoited debate, but on a
much bigger scale. I mean, politicians and our farming leaders
can either join us on that or we're just going
to forge on ahead and make a difference, Jamie. And
so that's all of those you know, farmers are involved
(16:35):
in that, and the likes of the ground spell guys
and Methane Science Accord, et cetera. So to have some
alliance globally on that is really great and that's what
we've been looking for for some time. So onwards and upwards,
and I'm really really excited that. The other thing is
it means that that we're actually focused back on our
naturally pasture raised production instead of this ridiculous pathway of
(16:57):
methane boluses and vaccines and feed editor.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Because again, what we should be.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Most scared of is losing our naturally raised status, Jamie,
more than anything, not whether the Paris Agreement sits behind
that or not.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Jamie.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Let's go to the cold face on the North Otago farm.
You're getting a bit dry. You've hardly had any rain
over winter, which is often when you replenish, because it
could be with Larninia, if Larninia's coming that you could
get a dry summer on the east coast of both islands.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, we certainly could, Jamiene.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
I mean, things are looking good and stock are certainly
very healthy going into Lemming, and Lemming's about to start
again on most of the hills around here in the
next sort of two to three weeks. But I think
we're on our tenth day of a Norwista today, and
you know, there's statistically proven that the divorce rate increases
during the Norweista.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So this morning on the.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Farm, while I've been working with Blear, I've had the
solicitor on speed dial. But the great thing is actually
about the norwesta Jamie, as I've learnt to stand upwind
from Blear and then I cannot hear what he's yelling
at me. I can only just see his his body
language and his sign language, and neither of them were
very good, Jamie. But again, we are tending to get
(18:06):
quite dry. We've had pretty much. I think we've only
had eighteen miles since the end of June, of which
we've got a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Of rain then.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
So we're looking forward to the next shower, Jamie. There
is some of the forecast in the next couple of weeks,
but yeah, we'll certainly be looking.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Out to that.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Just a final comment from you on another Smith, not
Jane Smith, that's you Ingrid Smith. You listened to her
earlier in the week on the Country and like a
lot of people, you were most impressed. She's a very
impressive woman. They're a very impressive family. And you were
vicariously claiming a connection with the Smith family because you've
got Roland Smith's hand piece.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's a bit of a long boat to all that,
wasn't it, Jamie. I think it was just one.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Of the ones that he mane of the many that
he would have won.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
In a competition.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I ended up buying it knew, but I certainly don't
do it much justice the way that I use it
in my very rough and very slow crutching technique.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But Ingrid is amazing.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
I've followed her on social media for quite some time,
and I actually tend to realize until the other day
when you had her on here that she was married
to Roland. And you know, she's classy, she's hard working,
she's everything that's you know, I guess rural people are.
And you know, unlike myself, Jamie, she actually looks because
she wears lipstick and looks good out in the farm,
whereas I look like something more like one of the
(19:19):
top ones.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
After a hard night out.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But no offense.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The top ones love them dearly. But you know, like
I just find her.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're fascinating.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
And again, all of these connections that are made on
social media, and there's so many examples of that are
really connecting urban people and global people with what's happening
on the farm, and you know, things that we think
are very every day and very mundane people find fascinating.
Jamie and again that's the connection with food and connecting
(19:47):
people back to the rural grassroots of farming.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I think that's really important. So thank you to Ingrid.
And I think she would probably.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Be a really good replacement for me on the on
the Farming Show, Jamie. I think she's a much more
dynamic than old smash a Smith.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Get what the times were called the Country these days? Jane.
That shows you how long you've been on the show.
Maybe I could have a miss or I was going
to a mister and missus Smith panel. That would be
one idea. Or I could have Jane and Ingrid not
the top Twins, the Smith Twins. Anyhow, Jane, look, I
hope you get some rain on your North Otago farm.
Thanks as always for your time.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Thanks Jamie, Thank you Jane.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Are you with the Country? Brought to you by Brandton
Jamie mckitts bang on twelve thirty No time to waste up. Next,
because we're in Canterbury for the day, We're going to
talk to a Canterbury arable farmer. He also moonlights. In
fact it's one of his main jobs. These jobs. He's
New Zealand's special agricultural Trading Boy. His name is HaMishmar
and I reckon he might have different views on Paris
(20:43):
than Jane Smith. We'll find out after the break here
on the country.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I won't pretend then.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Send welcome back to the country. We're in Canterbury today.
Beautiful day too, I might add. And I can't even
say ran Philly Shield country. It hurts me too much.
It's still too raw and tender. Okay. Our next guest
is a Canterbury farmer. He's also our special Agricultural Trade Endvoy,
(21:13):
Hamish Ma. Hamish, you can talk about anything you want
other than the rand Philly Shield. Good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
How are you, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well, I'm still bruised and batted from that hiding, but
never mind unless we had it for a week six days. Hey,
talk to me firstly about the lot, because on yesterday's show,
I don't know whether you're caught up on this one.
We talked to farmer Tom Martin, our UK farm and correspondent.
He was just saying how tough the arable farmers of
which he's won in the UK are getting or having
(21:44):
it at the moment. And I know from talking to
some of my arable farming friends things are a bit challenging.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah, things a certainly pretty bleak, all right, Jamie. And no,
I didn't hear the interview yesterday, but I've been following
the UK situation, and actually the situation in the UK
is no different to the situation here in some parts
of the United States. It's ararible farming generally. We have
found our situation ourselves, in a situation where costs have
(22:15):
blown out compared to the price for our products. So
it's a real issue.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Could you be saved by a buoyant dairy industry, and
I'm talking about the feed grain side of things, Well.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We could, Yes, we certainly could. We'd need to convince
them to buy more of our product. The issue we have, Jamie,
is there alternatives such as palm kernel and other things
that are still brewer's grain and other supplements that are
available are easy to get and at a discount by comparison,
(22:51):
or where we would need them to be to be
more profitable.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Beautiful day in Canterbury. I'm in christ Church obviously, but
Canterbury we flew over this morning. Gee, it was interesting
every time I fly over Hamish, my old university or
as a college in my day's Lincoln I look out
the window and I think, jeez, there's just new houses
being built daily out there. It's a far cry from
what it was when I was there in the eighties.
(23:17):
Are you a Lincoln old boy?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I'm a Lincoln old boy. I was there in nineteen
ninety six and I finished in two thousand and I
one hundred percent agree with you, And I think I
can anticipate your question. We're going to run out of
arable farm land, and where's it all going to come
from with it?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That's great farmland out there. We used to go and
look at visit all the cropping farms when we were
at Lincoln, and they were right next door to us.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yep. And when I went to Lincoln, all of that
country there was potatoes and carrots, and there was market
Gaden country, and now it was all houses. So it
is quite a thing, most beautiful place.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, we got we've got to build up, not out,
but Canterbury or christ Church is certainly on the expansion trail. Anyhow,
my question was I'm not even sure what my question was.
You you putting. Sorry, I'm trying to do two things
at once in a new It's like I'll give a
comparison to an arable farmer. It's like jumping into a
new tractor. You know, there's lots of buttons and I'm
(24:15):
just not quite sure which ones to push.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
But all you want to do is go forward, but
you don't know how, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Exactly, or even how to start the tractor. No, okay,
So put on your special agg trade in boy hat
and talk to me about Paris. You're on the payroll,
you want us to stay in.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Well, it's not that I'm on the payroll, but I
think it's very, very dangerous for us to come out.
And look, I was listening to Jane on there before
and nextly, I agree with some of what Jane's saying.
You know she was talking about we've got nationally determined contributions,
which is one hundred percent right. But what we need
to be really cognizant of is the fact that New
(24:56):
Zealand we are so small, we can't we cannot dictate
the terms. And if we if we pull out of
the Paris Accord, what message does it seend? And to me,
we've and you'll hear all of our exporters say the
same thing. We're covered by seventy five. I think it's
between seventy five and eighty percent three trade agreements, some
of which have got environmental stuff written in them. But
(25:18):
the fact that we've got so many free trade agreements,
if we were to pull out of this one, they
would be down on us like a ton of bricks,
and the tariffs that we've fought so hard to remove
would be straight back on us.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So are we in a position to be able to
renegotiate terms though I.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Would like to think we were. I mean, that's certainly
it's a very very good suggestion.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Let me just say, Okay, I'll take that as my
complete answer there. Let me just finish on where I
was going to go before I got lost in the
news studio. Jane was talking about it getting dry and
North Otago. You're an arable farmer here and Canterbury. Where's
your farm by the way, are you mid Canterbury?
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Mid Canterburry. I'm just below the retired gorge between Mesavon
in Mount Hut.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
So beautiful country up there, great cropping country up there.
Are you getting a bit drier? Have you fared a
bit better?
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Well, we're actually spot on at the moment, Jamie, And yes,
we've had the ten days of Northwest, but we I think,
yes seasons about ten days later than it normally would be.
I'm drilling week today which should have been in the
ground in August, so that sort of shows you where
we're at. It's just spot on right.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Now, Hamish Mara, let you go and finish drilling the wheat.
Thanks for some of your time as an arable farmer
and in your capacity as a special agricultural trade end boy.
It is twenty two away from one up. Next we're
coming back. We'll have Michelle Watt and Dunedin with Rural News,
Mark Kelly out of Auckland with the sports news. Before
(26:51):
the end of the hour, Blake Holgates and stunning figures
around food waste in this country and who's wasting the
food and if I get time Doctor David Burger from
derry En Z.
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Has Mark Kelly was sport sport with Asco Kiwi to
the Bone.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Since nineteen oh four.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
The Warriors have sought the most realistic internal possible to
combat the panthers in Saturday's NRAL League home playoff match.
Reserve grade half back Jet Cleary has been playing the
role of his older brother Penwis playmaker Nathan during training session,
chess session, Sorry, and some news you'll be excited for.
Jamie golfer Tiger Woods has been testing out his swing
(29:54):
on the range, in which has been deemed to sign.
The forty nine year old is considering a PGA to
a ret after his recovery from a ruptured achilles tendant.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Back to Mark, Mark, I'm very excited about the Ryder
Cup coming up at the end of the month, and
it was Saturday. Is it a dilemma for you? You're
a Warriors fan through and through. You'll be going to
the game, but you're goin to ditch it at halftime
if we're behind against the Panthers and go and watch
the All Black snow. Stupid question.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
If it was last week, there'd be a sort of discussion.
But the Eden Park Streaks alive, so I'm happy, Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Mark Kelly there doing a great job paneling the show
out of Auckland. Of course, the producer for the Country
Sport Breakfast with the Old Fuller, his dad Brian Kelly,
up next, some fascinating stats from Block Block. Try that
again Blake Holgate from rabobank on food waste before the
end of the hour if I can track him down,
(30:47):
Dr David Berger, here's an interesting report that has come
across my desk. Key Weis are wasting less of their
food now than they were two years ago. This is
one of the findings from the twenty twenty five Rabobank
(31:09):
Key we Harvest food Waste survey. But we're still, Blake
Holgate from Rabobank, wasting about three billion dollars per annum
on food that we don't eat.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
That's right, Jamie, So you know the positive from the
reporters household waste. Food waste has come down from twelve
point two percent of total foods been in twenty twenty
three to ten point eight percent this year. But as
you highlight, Jamie, you know that's three billion dollars of
food that has been purchased and chucked out and that
(31:42):
equates to just over thirteen hundred dollars a household annually.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
If only the entire population was baby boomers like myself,
we would only be wasting six point eight percent of
our food. Gen Z, the young ones they're wasting seventeen
point eight percent of their food.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
Yeah, it's interesting. So one of the breakdowns we do
on the stats, has we moved to each the generations Z,
y X and baby boomers, and it does progressively start
with the younger generations wasting more right to each generational
gap at the least, like you say, baby boomers wasting release,
I will give it to Gen Z. They were the
(32:21):
biggest improver in terms of reducing food waste since we
last survey two years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
From a very low base though, Blake.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Around twenty eight percent of the food they purchased two
years ago, they told us O was wasting and they's
dropped down to approximately seventeen percent.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Another couple of interesting stats I picked up from the
survey and no surprise here, males waste more food eleven
point five percent compared to females. And this is the
other one is no surprise either. Urban dwellers waste more
at twelve point four percent than the rural counterparts do
at seven point eight percent. So ideally, Blake, what we
need in this country is more a rural based female
(33:01):
baby boomers.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
Well in terms of food waste. Jamie, that that may
well be the case. I can't comment wider than food
waste and what the survey tells us. But yeah, no,
you did right, reasonly close between the male and female split.
But that's actually a reasonable gap between urban and rural. Well,
it's there.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Average household food spend has only gone up two dollars
in the past two years from two hundred and thirty
eight dollars per week, which isn't much to two hundred
and forty, So effectively blake. Because we've had huge food
inflation in those two years, households have had to cut
back on the amount of food they buy.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly I think. Well, that's that
tells us, Jamie. As you highlight, we noted that period
food price and inflation has been significantly more than the
two dollars a week that households are telling us that
increased their speed buy. So what that tells us is
the volume of food as one air they've had to
cut down, and a third of respondents did in fact
(34:04):
tell us that they are practicing less food than they
did two years ago.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Reasons most frequently cited for food waste is number one,
food going off before you can eat it, forty five percent.
And here's the one that we can definitely improve on,
before us by and best before dates thirty three percent.
And I think some of those dates, I guess they've
got to be cautious on them, but we're throwing out
a hell of a lot of food because it's gone
(34:30):
past its best before date or whatever, but it's still
quite edible.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
Yeah, and again it's important to remember the difference between
the best before date and use by date used by
date as as a food health safety recommendation, so you know,
we shouldn't be consuming after a used by date, but
best before data simply means from a desirability or you know,
how fresh it is. It might not be optimal, but
(34:58):
it's still very much consumable and and will provide you
with a sustenance and nutrients that food contains.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
So all this is in the twenty twenty five Rabobank
Key we Harvest Food Waste Survey. You can read about
it on the rabobank website. And well done to you
rural dwelling female baby boomers. You're wasting the less food
or the less food of anyone in the country. Hey
Blake Holgate from Rabobank, thanks for your time.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Thanks Jenny.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
It is eight away from one. You are with the country.
Some of your feedback. So it appears farmers are being
blackmailed to adhere to requirements of the Paris Accord should
be called the Paris Discord. And congratulations rural New Zealand.
You're only wasting seven point eight percent of your food.
Your urban counterparts are wasting twelve point four and of
(35:48):
course the baby boomers are leading the charge up. After
the break, we're going to wrap it with some more
of your feedback. Welcome back to the country. Out of
our christ Church studios today beautiful day and Cantreby we're
(36:09):
going to catch up with doctor David Berger, get his
thoughts on Dr Mike Joy on tomorrow's show. Just wrapping
it with Mark Kelly producing the show out of Auckland. Mark.
We know you love for the Warriors, but if Penrith
was to get up and beat the Warriors and I
know their favorites and win the NRL premiership from being
(36:32):
dead set last at the beginning of the season, would
that be one of the greatest wins ever.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Yes, yes it would, and particularly that it would be
what they're fifth straight NRAL premiership. And then you throw
and there'll be their six Grand Final that they've made
in a row. It's particularly and amazing, and all the
players that they've lost from their first title back in
twenty twenty one to even we've got one of their boys,
James Fisher Harrison the team now. But I don't want
(36:57):
to think like that, Jamie. I think that the Warrior
is actually going to shock NRL this coming weekend at now.
It's smart the fortunes of faith, and I think they're.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Going to win.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
And I think they are probably going to lose the
following week, but at least they're going to get one
at home.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Well that would be a fairy tale finish as well.
When we move on to Tech the Test at the
Cake Tin on Saturday, it's going to be a great
day of sport on Saturday. Old Rassi has given a
bit of a hoosle up, hasn't he, Especially to his backline.
He's literally changed everybody. I'm not sure. I saw poor
(37:31):
old Tony Brown, who we play golf with in Duned
and sitting beside him. Do you think Raci's made the
right choice just quickly?
Speaker 10 (37:37):
Yeah? Well, I actually I can see more changes happening.
I can see him reversing a couple of them. When
you name aside that far out, you still got the
sort of twenty four hours before kickoff to change some
so I can see him changing maybe one or two more,
bringing a couple back.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Okay, there we go the thoughts of Mark Kelly producing
the show out of Auckland today. Michelle, thank you for
your contribution from Dunedin. I'll catch you back at Dunedin.
H Thank you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
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