October 2, 2024 • 10 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the cricket field to the cow shed. It's the
country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on Gold Sport.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
To the beach, Colo around the world. This is so well.
We love our basketball here Tall Blacks head coach. They've
appointed former Canterbury Rams mentor Judd Flavel as their new
head coach, replacing Peedo Cameron. Flavel played thirty eight games
(00:36):
for New Zealand as a player, was part of the
two thousand and two squad that finished fourth at the
World Championships, and as a coach, he's won four New
Zealand NBL titles, including back to back championships with the
Canterbury Rams and the last two seasons. He joins us
on the show this morning. Jud Good morning and congratulations.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, thank you very much, very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Quite a career you've had, really, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh, it's been heavily entrenched in the New Zealand basketball
and I've been lucky enough to be part of some
great teams and moments of New Zealand sports. And yeah,
we're really excited to see what can be done going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where did basketball start for you?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We got to go back to when my dad stirst
with the basketball in my hands. I gets, like many
a vagueneration every father. I was playing rugby and in
distant or you know, probably looking to play for the
All Blacks. And for me, rugby was my first game,
(01:38):
but I wasn't very good at it. I was always
the smallest guy on the court and also on the field.
But you know, as as it turned out, we found
the game of basketball and the love of that, and
you know, the journey into playing through New Zealand age groups,
playing for the national teams, playing in New Zealand and
bo lucky enough to put on the Tour Blacks and
(02:01):
playing some international campaigns and topruments, and that led me
onto my coaching career, which is you know, I guess
it's been eighteen years now when I first got my
opportunity to coach at the New Zealand Breakers. Andrew Lamanas
provided me their first opportunity in the Blackwells and then yeah,
(02:21):
we've bene and out of the I guess the coaching
with New Zealand NBL teams head coaching and spent sixteen
years with the Australian NBL as an assistant coach and
took me over to Australia and Kennerby Reads brought me
back to New Zealand after COVID, and you know, that's
an exciting time as well, you know, but that was
(02:44):
there was a long winded answer, But it feels like
I have been involved with basket all for a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, it's quite a CV really when you look at
it like that. Do you feel like it's a bit
of a full circle moment now from being a player
to coaching the top team, the Tall.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Blacks in some ways? I guess so. I think in
many ways you feel like you've never left. Really. You
follow the team. You're so passionate about it. You know
all the individuals. You have relationships with everybody from the staff,
the coaches, the players. You know, for example, a lot
(03:18):
of these current Tour Blacks, I've been part of their
journey since they were teenagers. So full circle makes sense
with a lot of those guys and reconnecting and I
would like to keep the continuation of that going. And
I think that's a real stronghold of New Zealand Tourblets
(03:39):
and our culture.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And you mentioned, you know, coaching guys that they were
in the junior tourbacks of likes of Ruben Tarrangi, Shay
Illy and so on. So you know you would have
watched them come through the Breakers Academy. It must be
quite pleasing now to link up with them and know
they're in the tool Blacks and you're coaching them again.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, real special moments. Gets able to do that, and
I think what's really guess what makes it special is
it's just that you've already formed these relationships with them.
I feel like you know them as a player, but
you know as people first, you know, and seeing them
go from being a teenager to now their fathers and
(04:19):
now their world class players and doing their thing on
the international stage but also in the austral the NBL.
So seeing their journey go from the strength has been
awesome to watch and cheer them on side, and now
I get to do it up close and get into
the trenches with them. Certain spec well.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mentioned in the intro about you playing in the
two thousand and two side that came fourth at the
World Champs. So that was absolutely phenomenal. That's been so
many gone to so many top coaches from that team
now Paul Hanari, Piro Cameron and now yourself what was
it about that side? Do you think.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Funny you say that, because I've been asked that question
a few times today, and I think, you know, Tear
put together a team of obviously players who had their
strengths in the twenty and two team, but it's probably
our biggest strength was the way that we could connect
as teammates out there on the floor, the way that
(05:19):
we all went about our business, and I think we've
all taken that into our own field. I think a
word that sort of best sums it up is that
we have great leadership and you know, even looks at
Sew Marx for example, who's hitting the Brookly Nets program,
And you've got Dylan Boucher, who's the CEO of Bibbing
even dead, and a number of other guys who have
(05:43):
sort of put their hand up or done coaching as well.
So yeah, I think we've all taken those lessons that
we learned back then into our own fields.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
If we look at the current cyberrec I think ranked
twenty second in the world and under seventeen size just
finished top four at the World Championships. Do you think
the national side in the next four year cycle can
get back up there?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think this is an exciting opportunity for the Tour
Blacks to really push boundaries. I think that under seventeen
group that you just talked about, they are going to
slowly edge their way into this Tour Blacks. The death charts,
they a couple of them are very close, and Hayden Jones,
(06:30):
for example, was already put on the Black singlet, the
Tour Blacks singlet betters and I think even beyond the
four years, you know, looking further oun zooming out towards
the twenty thirty two Olympics of Brisbane, we're going to
see a number of those athletes that are going to
be a core of that group. So Baby bust mane
(06:52):
Zellan is in a good place with the talent coming through,
and I think that no building that continuity, making sure
that we're integrating those younger generations into the mix so
that we have a smooth transition and not the big
hole that you sometimes face if you have a bunch
(07:13):
of guys retire all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The big question mark regarding the Tool Blacks is Steven
Adams still yet to strap on the Black jersey at
top level for the thirty one year old. He's about
to start. I think he's eleventh NBA season. Do you
think you'll ever see him in a tall black jersey?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, look, our door is always open. I think that's
the very first thing to establish is that we will
welcome Steve Adams with open arms. And I think the
dialogue with Steve over the past a few years have
been fairly positive, and that always is going to be
about keeping those communications alive and positive. It will come
(07:55):
down to a lot of timing where Steve's health and
body at. We would love ultimately to have them a
part of the Tourback culture. Think he embodies everything that
we are about and I think I'll just be a
great experience for everybody and for Steve, and I think
I speak on behalf of every New Zealander that would
love to see that at some stage.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Absolutely well, no risk for the Wicked. Your first challenge
as Tour Black's head coach, it actually comes a couple
of months from now, in November, when we face the
Philippines and then Chinese Tape and a home and away
a Fever Asia Cup qualifier. What happens now between now
and then.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
A lot of communication. You got a start to recruit.
We've got players who you know, look checking over play availability,
So going through that currently right now and putting the
depth shots together and will you know, put together a
product on the floor that's obviously myself being a head coach.
(08:56):
That's a new change. We don't want a lot of changes.
We want to able to keep some continuity going so
that we can keep hearing some success on the floor.
But at the same time, what will be fresh will
be my voice. So yeah, it's really hot on the
phone over the next few days and seeing what we
have available.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And jo I understand at the moment, you're in Palmiston,
north of the Secondary School Basketball Nationals helping coach your
daughter's Takapuna girls grammar team. How are they going so far?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, they're battling hard and they've got three wins from
three so far. So the the grammar girls team, they're
doing well and they're here for their great overall experience
and you know it is it's a big week and
it's half a news on basketball here. It's the On's
version of the NBA Summer League. Everybody who's who is
(09:47):
here and it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Great week of hopes fantastical. Jud again, congratulations, thanks for
joining us at all. The best for the future awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I appreciate it. Thank you Jud
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Flaff joining us new tool ex coach and good luck
to those teams competing in Palmerston, north Over this week
From the cricket field to the cow shed. It's the
country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on Gold Sport.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
To the beach, Colo around the world. This is so well.
We love our basketball here Tall Blacks head coach. They've
appointed former Canterbury Rams mentor Judd Flavel as their new
head coach, replacing Peedo Cameron. Flavel played thirty eight games
(00:36):
for New Zealand as a player, was part of the
two thousand and two squad that finished fourth at the
World Championships, and as a coach, he's won four New
Zealand NBL titles, including back to back championships with the
Canterbury Rams and the last two seasons. He joins us
on the show this morning. Jud Good morning and congratulations.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, thank you very much, very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Quite a career you've had, really, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh, it's been heavily entrenched in the New Zealand basketball
and I've been lucky enough to be part of some
great teams and moments of New Zealand sports. And yeah,
we're really excited to see what can be done going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where did basketball start for you?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We got to go back to when my dad stirst
with the basketball in my hands. I gets, like many
a vagueneration every father. I was playing rugby and in
distant or you know, probably looking to play for the
All Blacks. And for me, rugby was my first game,
(01:38):
but I wasn't very good at it. I was always
the smallest guy on the court and also on the field.
But you know, as as it turned out, we found
the game of basketball and the love of that, and
you know, the journey into playing through New Zealand age groups,
playing for the national teams, playing in New Zealand and
bo lucky enough to put on the Tour Blacks and
(02:01):
playing some international campaigns and topruments, and that led me
onto my coaching career, which is you know, I guess
it's been eighteen years now when I first got my
opportunity to coach at the New Zealand Breakers. Andrew Lamanas
provided me their first opportunity in the Blackwells and then yeah,
(02:21):
we've bene and out of the I guess the coaching
with New Zealand NBL teams head coaching and spent sixteen
years with the Australian NBL as an assistant coach and
took me over to Australia and Kennerby Reads brought me
back to New Zealand after COVID, and you know, that's
an exciting time as well, you know, but that was
(02:44):
there was a long winded answer, But it feels like
I have been involved with basket all for a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, it's quite a CV really when you look at
it like that. Do you feel like it's a bit
of a full circle moment now from being a player
to coaching the top team, the Tall.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Blacks in some ways? I guess so. I think in
many ways you feel like you've never left. Really. You
follow the team. You're so passionate about it. You know
all the individuals. You have relationships with everybody from the staff,
the coaches, the players. You know, for example, a lot
(03:18):
of these current Tour Blacks, I've been part of their
journey since they were teenagers. So full circle makes sense
with a lot of those guys and reconnecting and I
would like to keep the continuation of that going. And
I think that's a real stronghold of New Zealand Tourblets
(03:39):
and our culture.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And you mentioned, you know, coaching guys that they were
in the junior tourbacks of likes of Ruben Tarrangi, Shay
Illy and so on. So you know you would have
watched them come through the Breakers Academy. It must be
quite pleasing now to link up with them and know
they're in the tool Blacks and you're coaching them again.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, real special moments. Gets able to do that, and
I think what's really guess what makes it special is
it's just that you've already formed these relationships with them.
I feel like you know them as a player, but
you know as people first, you know, and seeing them
go from being a teenager to now their fathers and
(04:19):
now their world class players and doing their thing on
the international stage but also in the austral the NBL.
So seeing their journey go from the strength has been
awesome to watch and cheer them on side, and now
I get to do it up close and get into
the trenches with them. Certain spec well.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mentioned in the intro about you playing in the
two thousand and two side that came fourth at the
World Champs. So that was absolutely phenomenal. That's been so
many gone to so many top coaches from that team
now Paul Hanari, Piro Cameron and now yourself what was
it about that side? Do you think.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Funny you say that, because I've been asked that question
a few times today, and I think, you know, Tear
put together a team of obviously players who had their
strengths in the twenty and two team, but it's probably
our biggest strength was the way that we could connect
as teammates out there on the floor, the way that
(05:19):
we all went about our business, and I think we've
all taken that into our own field. I think a
word that sort of best sums it up is that
we have great leadership and you know, even looks at
Sew Marx for example, who's hitting the Brookly Nets program,
And you've got Dylan Boucher, who's the CEO of Bibbing
even dead, and a number of other guys who have
(05:43):
sort of put their hand up or done coaching as well.
So yeah, I think we've all taken those lessons that
we learned back then into our own fields.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
If we look at the current cyberrec I think ranked
twenty second in the world and under seventeen size just
finished top four at the World Championships. Do you think
the national side in the next four year cycle can
get back up there?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think this is an exciting opportunity for the Tour
Blacks to really push boundaries. I think that under seventeen
group that you just talked about, they are going to
slowly edge their way into this Tour Blacks. The death charts,
they a couple of them are very close, and Hayden Jones,
(06:30):
for example, was already put on the Black singlet, the
Tour Blacks singlet betters and I think even beyond the
four years, you know, looking further oun zooming out towards
the twenty thirty two Olympics of Brisbane, we're going to
see a number of those athletes that are going to
be a core of that group. So Baby bust mane
(06:52):
Zellan is in a good place with the talent coming through,
and I think that no building that continuity, making sure
that we're integrating those younger generations into the mix so
that we have a smooth transition and not the big
hole that you sometimes face if you have a bunch
(07:13):
of guys retire all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The big question mark regarding the Tool Blacks is Steven
Adams still yet to strap on the Black jersey at
top level for the thirty one year old. He's about
to start. I think he's eleventh NBA season. Do you
think you'll ever see him in a tall black jersey?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, look, our door is always open. I think that's
the very first thing to establish is that we will
welcome Steve Adams with open arms. And I think the
dialogue with Steve over the past a few years have
been fairly positive, and that always is going to be
about keeping those communications alive and positive. It will come
(07:55):
down to a lot of timing where Steve's health and
body at. We would love ultimately to have them a
part of the Tourback culture. Think he embodies everything that
we are about and I think I'll just be a
great experience for everybody and for Steve, and I think
I speak on behalf of every New Zealander that would
love to see that at some stage.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Absolutely well, no risk for the Wicked. Your first challenge
as Tour Black's head coach, it actually comes a couple
of months from now, in November, when we face the
Philippines and then Chinese Tape and a home and away
a Fever Asia Cup qualifier. What happens now between now
and then.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
A lot of communication. You got a start to recruit.
We've got players who you know, look checking over play availability,
So going through that currently right now and putting the
depth shots together and will you know, put together a
product on the floor that's obviously myself being a head coach.
(08:56):
That's a new change. We don't want a lot of changes.
We want to able to keep some continuity going so
that we can keep hearing some success on the floor.
But at the same time, what will be fresh will
be my voice. So yeah, it's really hot on the
phone over the next few days and seeing what we
have available.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And jo I understand at the moment, you're in Palmiston,
north of the Secondary School Basketball Nationals helping coach your
daughter's Takapuna girls grammar team. How are they going so far?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, they're battling hard and they've got three wins from
three so far. So the the grammar girls team, they're
doing well and they're here for their great overall experience
and you know it is it's a big week and
it's half a news on basketball here. It's the On's
version of the NBA Summer League. Everybody who's who is
(09:47):
here and it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Great week of hopes fantastical. Jud again, congratulations, thanks for
joining us at all. The best for the future awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I appreciate it. Thank you Jud
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Flaff joining us new tool ex coach and good luck
to those teams competing in Palmerston, north Over this week
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