November 20, 2025 • 13 mins
Former cabinet minister, Michael Wood, will be running for the Labour Party in next year’s general election.
He’ll be running for the Mt Roskill seat.
The former MP’s career came crashing down in 2023, after he was forced to resign as Minister for Transport after it was revealed he failed to disclose his airport shares.
He resigned from his remaining ministerial portfolios after the discovery of additional shares held by his trust.
Today on The Front Page, Michael Wood joins us to launch his comeback, what he’s learned, and how he’ll work to gain back the public’s confidence.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Chiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a bonus episode
of The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The
New Zealand Herald. Former Cabinet Minister Michael Wood will be
running for the Labor Party in next year's general election.
He'll be running for the Mount Roskill seat. The former
(00:27):
MP's career came crashing down in twenty twenty three after
he was forced to resign as Minister for Transport after
it was revealed he failed to disclose his airport shares.
He resigned from the remaining ministerial portfolios after the discovery
of even more shares held by his trust. Today on
(00:48):
the Front Page, Michael Wood joins us to launch his
political comeback, discuss what he's actually learned and how he'll
work to gain back the public's confidence. So Michael, tell
us your big news.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Sure, Well, I'm announcing that I'm standing for Labor in
Mount Roschool in twenty twenty six. So we're less than
a year away from that general election and I'm really
thrilled to have been selected as the candidate. It's my home,
it's a place I love. I obviously served in the
community as the MP and another roles in the past,
and I'm ready to get into the fight and fight
for the people of our community.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How did this come about? Did you approach Labor or
did Labor approach you?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, well, I'm well we joined at the hip.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Really Obviously, we lost the election in twenty twenty three,
I lost the seat of Mount Roschool and since then
we've just continued to work. So we recognize that we've
lost that we had some work to do. So we've
been on the ground, knocking on doors, holding meetings, talking
to people, and over that time, I've been thinking quite
a lot about whether this is something that I want
(01:52):
to do or not, because you know, twenty twenty three
was a very bruising experience that really put me on
the floor, and I need to think about whether it
was right for me, whether it was right for Labor.
And over that time I've reflected a lot, and you
come to the view that what I really enjoy is
(02:13):
fighting when I think that something is unfair, or people
aren't being.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Treated well, or the community is being neglected.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And that's really led me to the point of being
of wanting to stand and I'm really thrilled that the
party has chosen to support me in that right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And so did you ask them to come back into
the fold or did you get a phone call from
Cris being like, we really need someone from outline.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I will look Earlier this year, I indicated my interest
to our local party because that's how we work. You
that the local organization has a big say in determining
who was the right person to stand. But also over
that time I've kept a really good relationship and dialogue
with Chris Hopkins and Hipkins and made sure that yeah,
he's aware of I want what I want to do,
and that he's supportive of that.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That's really important. We want to win the election next year.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
We do want to change the government, want to make
Chris Hipkins a prime minister, and we need to go
forward as one unit. So great to have the local
support and also the support of the party.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What have we learned about disclosing shares.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, well, look, it's pretty well known to say the
very least, that that was something that I didn't do
appropriately in my time in the previous when I was
in government in that period. Worst saying I did disclose
those she is my failure was to not sell them
as quickly as I should have and that's entirely on
me massive lesson learned from my point of view that
(03:29):
you know, when you're in one of those jobs that
is all consuming, you're working ninety hours a week, you're
trying to carve out bits of time to you know,
be a half present dad and family, you've still got
to look after those things that might seem annoying and
like small jobs, they do still matter.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I apologized at the time, paid a huge professional and
a massive personal cost that took me a long time
to rebuild from and it's something that is a lesson
that I have fully absorbed as I head into this process.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Did you make any decisions as minister with those shares
in mind? Even do you think subconsciously?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Absolutely not. It was just something that was never particularly
on my mind. I can be absolutely clear about that.
For me being in politics, both as a local MP
and in my role as minister, your job is to
serve your community and to serve the country. That's the
approach I taken. You know, in twenty twenty three when
(04:27):
I did have to face up to these problems and
face a massive about a scrutiny. One of the things
that was a small comfort in amongst that is that
even while my political opponents were making this into an
issue that they wanted to talk about, they never actually
made an allegation that that was a way in which
I would behave because.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I never would.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But when it comes to that, Thoughna, obviously you've seen
that it was a massive mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You should have done better.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you think it's good enough that you or your
office were contacted no less than twelve times to sort
this issue out? I mean, how does that get under
the you know, under the paperwork, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
How does that get lost? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, look, no, I've been really clear, and I'm happy
to be clear again that that wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That was a space that I failed in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And you know, one of the things that I've thought
about a lot over that period, and one of the
things that I've learned is that you can, as an
individual where something's gone wrong and it's had a big cost,
you can dissect it and you can say, you know,
this person should have done better and I wasn't told
the right thing here, and you know this was exaggerated
over there. You just don't move forward. If you do that,
(05:39):
you just get caught up in a spiral of bitterness
and blame. You just got to take it on your shoulders,
except that you got it wrong, apologize and then try
and put things right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean, because after that happened, of course you
lost the Transport ministerial portfolio and then the rest of
your portfolios as well. And you look back at that time,
even googling your name, Now, what is it like to
read these things about yourself, these things about your work?
What is it like being described as a disgraced former
(06:09):
politician for example?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, well I said before that that experience in twenty
twenty three and twenty twenty four really was bruising that
it put me totally on on the floor. So obviously
I paid a huge price politically at that time, but
I played a huge price personally as well, and that
(06:32):
period of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four took
me to I've got to say, some pretty dark places
where frankly, it was difficult to go on at times.
Because one of the things about us is people, and
I think I think particularly sometimes one of the things
about us as men in New Zealand is that you're
(06:52):
you know, your standing, your status, how people view you.
It does, you do feel it, And so I can
acknowledge that I made real errors at that period of time.
I can take that on the chin. But yeah, when
you hear that stuff, it's really really tough and it
takes a lot of rebuilding to move on from there.
But you know, as the old saying is, it's kind
(07:14):
of it's not the defeat that defines you. It's what
you do to get up off the floor and carry on.
So I've worked on myself over that period. I've just
tried to focus on what I can do. You can't
control what other people say. And you know, one of
the things I'll be saying to people in Mount Roscoll
at this election is that I made those errors, but
(07:35):
over a long period of time. I'm someone who's focused
on our community. I've got things done for Mount Roscoll,
and I'm ready to fight on all of the things
that our community needs someone to represent them on and
fight for. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And you've got your share portfolio printed and ready to go, for.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Sure, I have no shoe portfolio now. Those shares but
that was so many problems were sold. The proceeds were
given to charity. You know, that is a lesson that
I've fully absorbed.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I was both angry and also incredibly frustrated. These are
conversations that I've been having with Michael over several weeks,
and to I only learn of these yesterday when repeatedly,
through numerous conversations, I've asked him if there are other
issues that I should be aware of, and he has
said no, that's beyond frustrating.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
How do you think, because obviously going into twenty twenty six,
going to the election, like I said, the first thing
that comes up when you google your name is the
situation that happened in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four.
How do you think, how will you gain Kiwi's trust?
If somebody comes up to you, You're on a street corner,
you're doing a street corner chat, and they come up
to you and say, but weren't you the bloke who
(08:49):
did this? You know, how do you gain that trust back?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, what I tend to find with people is that
you know, people are reasonable and forgiving if you're open
and straight with them. We've all made mistakes in our lives,
all of us. That was mine, It's just that mine
is a lot more on the public record than many people,
so you need to acknowledge that, be really clear about it.
But my focus is on winning a mandate and support
(09:15):
in Mount Ross School, and so what I'll talk to
those people about is what actually matters in our community.
Stuff like the fact that huge parts of our community
are a wasteland because housing investment has been stopped. We
have a huge amount of homelessness, We have people who
have massive issues with a lack of support for the
fact that their properties keep flooding, and that My record
in Mount Rosschool has been to go into bat and
(09:37):
fight on that stuff and win stuff and achieve things.
And in my ministerial role, yep, you might look that
up and those bad stories come up, but I'm proud
of the fact that actually there was a lot of
big good stuff that I got over the line because
I do go in and I do fight for these things,
and I did a good job in those roles. This
issue accepting, So I'll be open with people. I'll take
(09:59):
it on the but then i want to know what
they want to see from their representative, and I've got
a track record to show that I will fight for them.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Actually, the second thing that comes up when you Google
your name is you on a bike testing out a
new bike path. So that's testament too, probably what you
said there in terms of what you've been doing since
twenty twenty three. You're currently a director at at two.
I assume you'll be leaving that role.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, a guy still got to put food on the table,
so I need to continue working in the coming period,
and that's important work for me.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's a part of who I am.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
As I said before that I like to fight when
I think that something is not fear or needs changing
in our community, and I enjoy that part of my role.
So I'll be continuing to work in that role. But yeah,
a little closer to the election, I'll be taking leave
from that role so that I can focus fully on
the campaign and trying to win Mount Roscal.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do you are you scared that somebody would perhaps see
that as a conflict of interest?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, I don't think so. I'd say quite the opposite.
I've always been someone who's been a part of that
broader labor movement. Thing in politics that drives before the
most is this basic idea that working people should be
treated fairly, should be able to live a decent life,
should be able to have a voice, shouldn't be squashed
down with those who have a lot of power, money
(11:13):
and influence. And you know, I do some of that
work in my union role, but also working in the.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Political space is a part of that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So I see to something that's that's really consistent, and
it is obviously pretty well out there as well, so
people know who I am, they know what I do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Have you had any conversations with say Chris Hopkins for example,
about because he'll you know, obviously be a your new
boss again about being transparent and what happened you know,
did you have a debrief or something before you came
out and said, look, let's do it again in twenty
twenty sex.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that is something that I've talked to Chris about
and obviously there are real lessons to learn from the
mistakes that I made at that time, but also there
are ongoing issues in the parliamentary space. These issues do
bubble up from time to time, and I know that
Chris's leader and hopefully our next Prime minister, that he
really wants this to be an area that there's some
(12:05):
focus on. You've got to make sure that people are
not just doing the right thing and behaving in the
right way, but that the public can have confidence in that,
because sometimes the perceptions are as important in terms of
having trust as the realities. So I know that's something
that he's really focused on. It's something as I say,
that I've very much learned the hard way, and if
(12:27):
there are ways in which I can help people to
understand the importance of getting that right, then I'm happy
to do that. I am a great believer that when
you fall, you do sometimes learn lessons, and there's a
bit of a duty and obligation then to try and
do something good out of that. And if I can
help to show people that you can get up off
the floor and do good things again, and if I
(12:49):
can contribute in this space in terms of encouraging openness
and transparency, then that's something I'd.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Like to do.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Thanks for joining us, Michael, Thank you pleasure. That's it
for this episode of The Front Page. You can read
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dot co dot nz. The Front Page is produced by
Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who's also our editor. I'm
(13:17):
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another look behind the headlines.
Chiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a bonus episode
of The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The
New Zealand Herald. Former Cabinet Minister Michael Wood will be
running for the Labor Party in next year's general election.
He'll be running for the Mount Roskill seat. The former
(00:27):
MP's career came crashing down in twenty twenty three after
he was forced to resign as Minister for Transport after
it was revealed he failed to disclose his airport shares.
He resigned from the remaining ministerial portfolios after the discovery
of even more shares held by his trust. Today on
(00:48):
the Front Page, Michael Wood joins us to launch his
political comeback, discuss what he's actually learned and how he'll
work to gain back the public's confidence. So Michael, tell
us your big news.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Sure, Well, I'm announcing that I'm standing for Labor in
Mount Roschool in twenty twenty six. So we're less than
a year away from that general election and I'm really
thrilled to have been selected as the candidate. It's my home,
it's a place I love. I obviously served in the
community as the MP and another roles in the past,
and I'm ready to get into the fight and fight
for the people of our community.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How did this come about? Did you approach Labor or
did Labor approach you?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, well, I'm well we joined at the hip.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Really Obviously, we lost the election in twenty twenty three,
I lost the seat of Mount Roschool and since then
we've just continued to work. So we recognize that we've
lost that we had some work to do. So we've
been on the ground, knocking on doors, holding meetings, talking
to people, and over that time, I've been thinking quite
a lot about whether this is something that I want
(01:52):
to do or not, because you know, twenty twenty three
was a very bruising experience that really put me on
the floor, and I need to think about whether it
was right for me, whether it was right for Labor.
And over that time I've reflected a lot, and you
come to the view that what I really enjoy is
(02:13):
fighting when I think that something is unfair, or people
aren't being.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Treated well, or the community is being neglected.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And that's really led me to the point of being
of wanting to stand and I'm really thrilled that the
party has chosen to support me in that right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And so did you ask them to come back into
the fold or did you get a phone call from
Cris being like, we really need someone from outline.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I will look Earlier this year, I indicated my interest
to our local party because that's how we work. You
that the local organization has a big say in determining
who was the right person to stand. But also over
that time I've kept a really good relationship and dialogue
with Chris Hopkins and Hipkins and made sure that yeah,
he's aware of I want what I want to do,
and that he's supportive of that.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That's really important. We want to win the election next year.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
We do want to change the government, want to make
Chris Hipkins a prime minister, and we need to go
forward as one unit. So great to have the local
support and also the support of the party.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What have we learned about disclosing shares.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, well, look, it's pretty well known to say the
very least, that that was something that I didn't do
appropriately in my time in the previous when I was
in government in that period. Worst saying I did disclose
those she is my failure was to not sell them
as quickly as I should have and that's entirely on
me massive lesson learned from my point of view that
(03:29):
you know, when you're in one of those jobs that
is all consuming, you're working ninety hours a week, you're
trying to carve out bits of time to you know,
be a half present dad and family, you've still got
to look after those things that might seem annoying and
like small jobs, they do still matter.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I apologized at the time, paid a huge professional and
a massive personal cost that took me a long time
to rebuild from and it's something that is a lesson
that I have fully absorbed as I head into this process.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Did you make any decisions as minister with those shares
in mind? Even do you think subconsciously?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Absolutely not. It was just something that was never particularly
on my mind. I can be absolutely clear about that.
For me being in politics, both as a local MP
and in my role as minister, your job is to
serve your community and to serve the country. That's the
approach I taken. You know, in twenty twenty three when
(04:27):
I did have to face up to these problems and
face a massive about a scrutiny. One of the things
that was a small comfort in amongst that is that
even while my political opponents were making this into an
issue that they wanted to talk about, they never actually
made an allegation that that was a way in which
I would behave because.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I never would.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But when it comes to that, Thoughna, obviously you've seen
that it was a massive mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You should have done better.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you think it's good enough that you or your
office were contacted no less than twelve times to sort
this issue out? I mean, how does that get under
the you know, under the paperwork, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
How does that get lost? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, look, no, I've been really clear, and I'm happy
to be clear again that that wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That was a space that I failed in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And you know, one of the things that I've thought
about a lot over that period, and one of the
things that I've learned is that you can, as an
individual where something's gone wrong and it's had a big cost,
you can dissect it and you can say, you know,
this person should have done better and I wasn't told
the right thing here, and you know this was exaggerated
over there. You just don't move forward. If you do that,
(05:39):
you just get caught up in a spiral of bitterness
and blame. You just got to take it on your shoulders,
except that you got it wrong, apologize and then try
and put things right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean, because after that happened, of course you
lost the Transport ministerial portfolio and then the rest of
your portfolios as well. And you look back at that time,
even googling your name, Now, what is it like to
read these things about yourself, these things about your work?
What is it like being described as a disgraced former
(06:09):
politician for example?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, well I said before that that experience in twenty
twenty three and twenty twenty four really was bruising that
it put me totally on on the floor. So obviously
I paid a huge price politically at that time, but
I played a huge price personally as well, and that
(06:32):
period of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four took
me to I've got to say, some pretty dark places
where frankly, it was difficult to go on at times.
Because one of the things about us is people, and
I think I think particularly sometimes one of the things
about us as men in New Zealand is that you're
(06:52):
you know, your standing, your status, how people view you.
It does, you do feel it, And so I can
acknowledge that I made real errors at that period of time.
I can take that on the chin. But yeah, when
you hear that stuff, it's really really tough and it
takes a lot of rebuilding to move on from there.
But you know, as the old saying is, it's kind
(07:14):
of it's not the defeat that defines you. It's what
you do to get up off the floor and carry on.
So I've worked on myself over that period. I've just
tried to focus on what I can do. You can't
control what other people say. And you know, one of
the things I'll be saying to people in Mount Roscoll
at this election is that I made those errors, but
(07:35):
over a long period of time. I'm someone who's focused
on our community. I've got things done for Mount Roscoll,
and I'm ready to fight on all of the things
that our community needs someone to represent them on and
fight for. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And you've got your share portfolio printed and ready to go, for.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Sure, I have no shoe portfolio now. Those shares but
that was so many problems were sold. The proceeds were
given to charity. You know, that is a lesson that
I've fully absorbed.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I was both angry and also incredibly frustrated. These are
conversations that I've been having with Michael over several weeks,
and to I only learn of these yesterday when repeatedly,
through numerous conversations, I've asked him if there are other
issues that I should be aware of, and he has
said no, that's beyond frustrating.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
How do you think, because obviously going into twenty twenty six,
going to the election, like I said, the first thing
that comes up when you google your name is the
situation that happened in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four.
How do you think, how will you gain Kiwi's trust?
If somebody comes up to you, You're on a street corner,
you're doing a street corner chat, and they come up
to you and say, but weren't you the bloke who
(08:49):
did this? You know, how do you gain that trust back?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, what I tend to find with people is that
you know, people are reasonable and forgiving if you're open
and straight with them. We've all made mistakes in our lives,
all of us. That was mine, It's just that mine
is a lot more on the public record than many people,
so you need to acknowledge that, be really clear about it.
But my focus is on winning a mandate and support
(09:15):
in Mount Ross School, and so what I'll talk to
those people about is what actually matters in our community.
Stuff like the fact that huge parts of our community
are a wasteland because housing investment has been stopped. We
have a huge amount of homelessness, We have people who
have massive issues with a lack of support for the
fact that their properties keep flooding, and that My record
in Mount Rosschool has been to go into bat and
(09:37):
fight on that stuff and win stuff and achieve things.
And in my ministerial role, yep, you might look that
up and those bad stories come up, but I'm proud
of the fact that actually there was a lot of
big good stuff that I got over the line because
I do go in and I do fight for these things,
and I did a good job in those roles. This
issue accepting, So I'll be open with people. I'll take
(09:59):
it on the but then i want to know what
they want to see from their representative, and I've got
a track record to show that I will fight for them.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Actually, the second thing that comes up when you Google
your name is you on a bike testing out a
new bike path. So that's testament too, probably what you
said there in terms of what you've been doing since
twenty twenty three. You're currently a director at at two.
I assume you'll be leaving that role.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, a guy still got to put food on the table,
so I need to continue working in the coming period,
and that's important work for me.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's a part of who I am.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
As I said before that I like to fight when
I think that something is not fear or needs changing
in our community, and I enjoy that part of my role.
So I'll be continuing to work in that role. But yeah,
a little closer to the election, I'll be taking leave
from that role so that I can focus fully on
the campaign and trying to win Mount Roscal.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do you are you scared that somebody would perhaps see
that as a conflict of interest?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, I don't think so. I'd say quite the opposite.
I've always been someone who's been a part of that
broader labor movement. Thing in politics that drives before the
most is this basic idea that working people should be
treated fairly, should be able to live a decent life,
should be able to have a voice, shouldn't be squashed
down with those who have a lot of power, money
(11:13):
and influence. And you know, I do some of that
work in my union role, but also working in the.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Political space is a part of that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So I see to something that's that's really consistent, and
it is obviously pretty well out there as well, so
people know who I am, they know what I do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Have you had any conversations with say Chris Hopkins for example,
about because he'll you know, obviously be a your new
boss again about being transparent and what happened you know,
did you have a debrief or something before you came
out and said, look, let's do it again in twenty
twenty sex.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that is something that I've talked to Chris about
and obviously there are real lessons to learn from the
mistakes that I made at that time, but also there
are ongoing issues in the parliamentary space. These issues do
bubble up from time to time, and I know that
Chris's leader and hopefully our next Prime minister, that he
really wants this to be an area that there's some
(12:05):
focus on. You've got to make sure that people are
not just doing the right thing and behaving in the
right way, but that the public can have confidence in that,
because sometimes the perceptions are as important in terms of
having trust as the realities. So I know that's something
that he's really focused on. It's something as I say,
that I've very much learned the hard way, and if
(12:27):
there are ways in which I can help people to
understand the importance of getting that right, then I'm happy
to do that. I am a great believer that when
you fall, you do sometimes learn lessons, and there's a
bit of a duty and obligation then to try and
do something good out of that. And if I can
help to show people that you can get up off
the floor and do good things again, and if I
(12:49):
can contribute in this space in terms of encouraging openness
and transparency, then that's something I'd.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Like to do.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Thanks for joining us, Michael, Thank you pleasure. That's it
for this episode of The Front Page. You can read
more about today's stories and extensive news coverage at enzidherld
dot co dot nz. The Front Page is produced by
Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who's also our editor. I'm
(13:17):
Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to the Front Page on iHeartRadio or
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