November 4, 2024 • 13 mins
Remember remember the fifth of November...
It’s Guy Fawkes, which means a sleepless night for some of our furry friends.
For more than 400 years the English Catholic’s failure to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London has been celebrated – but at what cost?
Every year we are warned by the likes of the SPCA that what is an exciting night for us, is a terrifying night for animals.
Not to mention Fire and Emergency NZ is continuously urging people to think about the risk of fireworks before buying them.
Each time it rolls around the question is asked – should fireworks be banned?
And, why on earth does New Zealand even celebrate it in the first place?
Today on The Front Page, Animates CEO Neil Cowie is with us to explain why tonight is such a scary experience for animals big and small...
First, we speak to AA Insurance underwriting manager Nancye Maloni on the continued calls to roll back on the fireworks.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Gielda.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a
daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Remember remember
the fifth of November. It's guy Fawkes, which means a
sleepless night for some of our furry friends. For more
(00:27):
than four hundred years, the English Catholic's failure to blow
up the Houses of Parliament in London has been celebrated,
But at what cost? Every year we're warned by the
likes of SPCA that what is an exciting night for
us is a terrifying night for animals. Not to mention
fire and Emergency and Z is continuously urging people to
(00:49):
think about the risk of fireworks before buying them, and
on average ACC accepts around three hundred new claims every
year for fireworks related in and data shows that children
under the age of ten make up around a quarter
of them. Each time it rolls around, though, the question
(01:09):
is asked, should fireworks be banned? And why on Earth
does New Zealand even celebrate it in the first place.
Today on the Front Page, Animates CEO Neil Cowie is
with us to explain why tonight is such a scary
experience for animals big and small. But first we speak
(01:29):
to AA Insurance underwriting manager Nancy Maloney on the continued
calls to roll back on the fireworks. First off, Nancy,
it's Guy Fawkes. Of course, AA has done a survey.
How do kiwis really feel about fireworks?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, look, we do the survey every year and the
results this year are showing a similar trend to what
we've seen previously, with all almost three quarters of kiwis
expressing that fireworks should be banned for recreational or at
card use. At least.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
We're crazy about them. They're crazy about who's live. We're
just making them on.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
People should be entitled to use whatever they want, when
they want it, within safe means.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Public displays would be would be better for the younger ones.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's a minority, not the majority that is spawning it
for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Every one that I know of is responsible, and most
keys are very responsible with fireworks.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What are some of the reasons why they want to
see fireworks band all of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The variety of reasons. The top three were scaring animals
and you might have seen a few releases last week
actually coming out around the impact on animals this time
of year. Second top reason was irresponsible use and food
was the risk of fire damage, which you know, being
in the insurance business is something we're really across.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, so I've seen a stat since twenty nineteen, we've
seen six hundred and seventy six fires caused by fireworks,
five hundred and thirteen of which were vegetation fires. When
it comes to insurance, how much does aapay out on
average when it comes to these fire claims.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look, there's not always a link that we observed between
increase home fire claims and fireworks season, but it's not
auto wow, how easily things can catch on fire. In
terms of fire claims costs, we've seen a twenty percent
increase in large fire claims and we've paid out over
twelve million dollars to date this year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And it's getting drier as well. Hey, coming from Australia
ten years ago, I thought it was absolutely bonkers that
fireworks were being sold for recreational use, and of course
must be buyers because I'm just thinking of things catching
on fire. Is that something that you are seeing through
these survey results as well?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Definitely we're seeing. So when we broke down the overall
results of the survey, so fifty four percent supported backyard
ban or recreational use, but an additional seventeen percent wanted
to go further and have them banned entirely. That was
particularly high among homeowners, those age fifty plus and those
(04:27):
who identify as female as well. I think it's important
to acknowledge that twenty five percent still had no issues.
And we're not here to be the fun police. We're
not here to rain on anyone's parade. But what we
want to do is really educate and ask keyis to
just you know, if you are setting them off in
your backyard, do so responsibly.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Thanks for joining us, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Another year and more calls to ban the sale of
fireworks in New Zealand. A petition is underway which will
be presented to the House of Representatives and in a
world first, pets can too sign with a poor print.
CEO of Animates, Neil Cowy is with us to speak
on behalf of the animals as to why it could
(05:22):
be time to ten this fiery tradition.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
First off, Neil, tell me about this petition.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
The poor prom petition. So yes, so fireworks at this
time of the year. We know causes distress, extreme distress
to pits. I guess, while afe across New Zealand and
we believe it animates that it's time to ban the
sale the private style of fireworks and safeguards animal.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Healthy Why do you think I'll go on?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
And it's not only about the fifth of November. It's
the bigger issue is the stockpiling of fireworks, but it
gets set off throughout the which really compounds the stress
the dangered animals. And I guess it's when you least expected.
I guess that fireworks. As a pet parent or a
pet owner, I can take steps to safeguard my pets
(06:13):
and I can look after them, and I knock them
in fire between you least expected down the track when
there are real dangers and stress. Litter animals come to
the foe, in some cases not even at home when
it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Bookland councils pushing for a ban on private youth.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
The reason people give for wanting the barn as purely
safety people, animals, pets and wildlife get injured. There isn't
a da. It's not the fifth of November. We sell
fireworks for four days, people stop pail them.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They have become something that gets stored up in people's
homes and used at other times, and that's a concern
to fire an emergency.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Why do you reckon? Now is the time?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Because it feels like every year we talk about this
banning fireworks.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I don't know, I really don't know. I mean, in
twenty twenty three, three quarters of kiwis were in favor
of banning fireworks. So I guess at the end of
the day, it's ultimately the government that needs to make
that decision. But there is definitely a movement to ban fireworks.
What we're trying to do is we trying to We're
trying to give the animals a voice, which is the
uniqueness about our campaign called the Poor prim petition, So
(07:25):
I hopefully they can have a voice as well. And
since we're going really.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, the sale of fireworks is meant to be restricted
to just four days a year, from Saturday, November two
to Tuesday, November fifth, or today. I don't know about you,
but I hear fireworks going off. I heard them going
off before Saturday or November two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's pretty disappointing.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Hey, when people stockpile them or if they're going off
before they're legally being able.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
To be sold.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They've either stockpiled them and they're expired, or they've gotten
them from someone where they shouldn't have. What do you
reckon that says about how many people actually let them
off responsibly.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I really can't comment, but I would think many users
are responsible. But it's exactly that point that you're making
around stock party that is, in our view, are a
really big issue. It really compounds the stress and the
danger to animals. And like I said, if you knew
they were happening or the public display, you can safeguard
your patent's after them. That's when you least expect it.
(08:23):
So I mean, I really feel for the wildlife, the birds,
even our livestock horses for instance, if you don't have
the ability to look after your horse and put them
in a stable, the consequences can be quite catastrophic.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Actually yeah, And every year vets are just inundated with
animals who have hurt themselves due to being that scared
by fireworks.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Hey, yes, we are vatine. Actually they feel calls before
because people are genuinely anxious in terms of getting advice,
but it's the post trauma that is an issue. So
we do see it in our clinics around as well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
These days Guy Fawkes is less about the past and
almost entirely about the big bangs.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And for the spcaight it's their busiest nights of the year.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Certainly around this time of year, and are certainly approaching
Guy Fawkes as well as the time shortly afterwards seeing
will experience a quite a significant rise and calls to
our an a more reporting line, specifically in relation to
lost animals. We find a lot of dogs go missing
over that period, either Guy Fawke's night or the day after.
Really it's about comforting them, keeping them safe, putting in
an environment where they're going to be looked after and
(09:33):
not likely to injure themselves or run away. Really, we've
had horses that have run into fences and head injuries
that way. We've had stock that have broken through fences
that they wouldn't normally do and onto railway tracks and
being collected by trains, or we find animals and positions
where they obviously wouldn't have got too unless they're very
scared at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
In twenty nineteen, seventy four point four percent of people
noticed their animals just explaying fear of fireworks. What are
some of the behavior's pet owners noticed.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Well, the only first thing you do is your pet
is going to be startled or anxious, right, so they're
going to hide. They're going to hide under a bed,
or they're going to find somewhere where they can get away.
They might cower, they might shiver. In a worst case,
they might actually bolt and run. And they with their
incidences where cat they have got out of the home
and they've been missing for days whilst they tried to
(10:26):
find a safe haven for one of the metword to
look after themselves. So that's the worst case. Know and
and you know horses as well, they tend to bolt
when they get when they get distressed or they get frightened.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Tell me a.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Little bit more about this petition. It's not only humans
that are able to sign it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Hey, No, that's that's the unique thing about this petition,
a Chelsea, It's we call it the poor print petition.
So you have the ability for your pet to have
a voice as well. So what you can do is
you can scan your dog or your cat's poor print
and you can upload that to the website as well,
and their poor print will be registered. We're using some
(11:06):
pretty cool AI technology in terms of identifying the details
like the species, a fur color, and the poor print,
which then optimizes that the representation. We then turn it
into a black and white graphic which symbolizes the pet themselves.
It's quite unique. It's almost like a thumbprint or a fingerprint.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If I can get a hold of my cap Mow
for long enough to be able to do that, I'm
sure he'll have a word with me and he'll tell
me that he wants to do it. How many people
and animals have signed the position so far?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
As of a little while ago, we've got forty five
thousand human signatures and we've got forty two thousand pet signatures,
So it's certainly getting some momentum, and that's a lot
of people. We're very, very very excited about the number,
and we think that's going to go up, particularly over
the next week or two.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And I mean I mentioned this before, but we do
know how fireworks negatively affect our pets. Why in the
world do you think we still do it, Chelsea?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I just don't know. If you think about around the
world many places about fireworks Australia, you haven't had fireworks
in most of these states for for years, for decades,
I think, so it's just a thing crazy that we
do still have this this sort of firework display. As
just that it's been reduced to three or four days
with the selling stockpiling, that's the issue. So both are
(12:27):
going to be selling for one or two days. People
are still in the stock quite right, and and you know,
I just don't understand why we still we've got it
given the consequences on animals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Thanks for joining us, Neil. That said, for this episode
of the Front Page. You can read more about today's
stories and extensive news coverage at NSIDHERLD dot co dot nz.
The Front Page is produced by Ethan Seals. Richard Martin
and Dan Goodwin are the sound engineers.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and
tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.
Gielda.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a
daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Remember remember
the fifth of November. It's guy Fawkes, which means a
sleepless night for some of our furry friends. For more
(00:27):
than four hundred years, the English Catholic's failure to blow
up the Houses of Parliament in London has been celebrated,
But at what cost? Every year we're warned by the
likes of SPCA that what is an exciting night for
us is a terrifying night for animals. Not to mention
fire and Emergency and Z is continuously urging people to
(00:49):
think about the risk of fireworks before buying them, and
on average ACC accepts around three hundred new claims every
year for fireworks related in and data shows that children
under the age of ten make up around a quarter
of them. Each time it rolls around, though, the question
(01:09):
is asked, should fireworks be banned? And why on Earth
does New Zealand even celebrate it in the first place.
Today on the Front Page, Animates CEO Neil Cowie is
with us to explain why tonight is such a scary
experience for animals big and small. But first we speak
(01:29):
to AA Insurance underwriting manager Nancy Maloney on the continued
calls to roll back on the fireworks. First off, Nancy,
it's Guy Fawkes. Of course, AA has done a survey.
How do kiwis really feel about fireworks?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, look, we do the survey every year and the
results this year are showing a similar trend to what
we've seen previously, with all almost three quarters of kiwis
expressing that fireworks should be banned for recreational or at
card use. At least.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
We're crazy about them. They're crazy about who's live. We're
just making them on.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
People should be entitled to use whatever they want, when
they want it, within safe means.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Public displays would be would be better for the younger ones.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's a minority, not the majority that is spawning it
for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Every one that I know of is responsible, and most
keys are very responsible with fireworks.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What are some of the reasons why they want to
see fireworks band all of.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The variety of reasons. The top three were scaring animals
and you might have seen a few releases last week
actually coming out around the impact on animals this time
of year. Second top reason was irresponsible use and food
was the risk of fire damage, which you know, being
in the insurance business is something we're really across.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, so I've seen a stat since twenty nineteen, we've
seen six hundred and seventy six fires caused by fireworks,
five hundred and thirteen of which were vegetation fires. When
it comes to insurance, how much does aapay out on
average when it comes to these fire claims.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look, there's not always a link that we observed between
increase home fire claims and fireworks season, but it's not
auto wow, how easily things can catch on fire. In
terms of fire claims costs, we've seen a twenty percent
increase in large fire claims and we've paid out over
twelve million dollars to date this year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And it's getting drier as well. Hey, coming from Australia
ten years ago, I thought it was absolutely bonkers that
fireworks were being sold for recreational use, and of course
must be buyers because I'm just thinking of things catching
on fire. Is that something that you are seeing through
these survey results as well?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Definitely we're seeing. So when we broke down the overall
results of the survey, so fifty four percent supported backyard
ban or recreational use, but an additional seventeen percent wanted
to go further and have them banned entirely. That was
particularly high among homeowners, those age fifty plus and those
(04:27):
who identify as female as well. I think it's important
to acknowledge that twenty five percent still had no issues.
And we're not here to be the fun police. We're
not here to rain on anyone's parade. But what we
want to do is really educate and ask keyis to
just you know, if you are setting them off in
your backyard, do so responsibly.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Thanks for joining us, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Another year and more calls to ban the sale of
fireworks in New Zealand. A petition is underway which will
be presented to the House of Representatives and in a
world first, pets can too sign with a poor print.
CEO of Animates, Neil Cowy is with us to speak
on behalf of the animals as to why it could
(05:22):
be time to ten this fiery tradition.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
First off, Neil, tell me about this petition.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
The poor prom petition. So yes, so fireworks at this
time of the year. We know causes distress, extreme distress
to pits. I guess, while afe across New Zealand and
we believe it animates that it's time to ban the
sale the private style of fireworks and safeguards animal.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Healthy Why do you think I'll go on?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
And it's not only about the fifth of November. It's
the bigger issue is the stockpiling of fireworks, but it
gets set off throughout the which really compounds the stress
the dangered animals. And I guess it's when you least expected.
I guess that fireworks. As a pet parent or a
pet owner, I can take steps to safeguard my pets
(06:13):
and I can look after them, and I knock them
in fire between you least expected down the track when
there are real dangers and stress. Litter animals come to
the foe, in some cases not even at home when
it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Bookland councils pushing for a ban on private youth.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
The reason people give for wanting the barn as purely
safety people, animals, pets and wildlife get injured. There isn't
a da. It's not the fifth of November. We sell
fireworks for four days, people stop pail them.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They have become something that gets stored up in people's
homes and used at other times, and that's a concern
to fire an emergency.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Why do you reckon? Now is the time?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Because it feels like every year we talk about this
banning fireworks.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I don't know, I really don't know. I mean, in
twenty twenty three, three quarters of kiwis were in favor
of banning fireworks. So I guess at the end of
the day, it's ultimately the government that needs to make
that decision. But there is definitely a movement to ban fireworks.
What we're trying to do is we trying to We're
trying to give the animals a voice, which is the
uniqueness about our campaign called the Poor prim petition, So
(07:25):
I hopefully they can have a voice as well. And
since we're going really.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, the sale of fireworks is meant to be restricted
to just four days a year, from Saturday, November two
to Tuesday, November fifth, or today. I don't know about you,
but I hear fireworks going off. I heard them going
off before Saturday or November two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's pretty disappointing.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Hey, when people stockpile them or if they're going off
before they're legally being able.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
To be sold.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They've either stockpiled them and they're expired, or they've gotten
them from someone where they shouldn't have. What do you
reckon that says about how many people actually let them
off responsibly.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I really can't comment, but I would think many users
are responsible. But it's exactly that point that you're making
around stock party that is, in our view, are a
really big issue. It really compounds the stress and the
danger to animals. And like I said, if you knew
they were happening or the public display, you can safeguard
your patent's after them. That's when you least expect it.
(08:23):
So I mean, I really feel for the wildlife, the birds,
even our livestock horses for instance, if you don't have
the ability to look after your horse and put them
in a stable, the consequences can be quite catastrophic.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Actually yeah, And every year vets are just inundated with
animals who have hurt themselves due to being that scared
by fireworks.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Hey, yes, we are vatine. Actually they feel calls before
because people are genuinely anxious in terms of getting advice,
but it's the post trauma that is an issue. So
we do see it in our clinics around as well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
These days Guy Fawkes is less about the past and
almost entirely about the big bangs.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And for the spcaight it's their busiest nights of the year.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Certainly around this time of year, and are certainly approaching
Guy Fawkes as well as the time shortly afterwards seeing
will experience a quite a significant rise and calls to
our an a more reporting line, specifically in relation to
lost animals. We find a lot of dogs go missing
over that period, either Guy Fawke's night or the day after.
Really it's about comforting them, keeping them safe, putting in
an environment where they're going to be looked after and
(09:33):
not likely to injure themselves or run away. Really, we've
had horses that have run into fences and head injuries
that way. We've had stock that have broken through fences
that they wouldn't normally do and onto railway tracks and
being collected by trains, or we find animals and positions
where they obviously wouldn't have got too unless they're very
scared at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
In twenty nineteen, seventy four point four percent of people
noticed their animals just explaying fear of fireworks. What are
some of the behavior's pet owners noticed.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Well, the only first thing you do is your pet
is going to be startled or anxious, right, so they're
going to hide. They're going to hide under a bed,
or they're going to find somewhere where they can get away.
They might cower, they might shiver. In a worst case,
they might actually bolt and run. And they with their
incidences where cat they have got out of the home
and they've been missing for days whilst they tried to
(10:26):
find a safe haven for one of the metword to
look after themselves. So that's the worst case. Know and
and you know horses as well, they tend to bolt
when they get when they get distressed or they get frightened.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Tell me a.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Little bit more about this petition. It's not only humans
that are able to sign it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Hey, No, that's that's the unique thing about this petition,
a Chelsea, It's we call it the poor print petition.
So you have the ability for your pet to have
a voice as well. So what you can do is
you can scan your dog or your cat's poor print
and you can upload that to the website as well,
and their poor print will be registered. We're using some
(11:06):
pretty cool AI technology in terms of identifying the details
like the species, a fur color, and the poor print,
which then optimizes that the representation. We then turn it
into a black and white graphic which symbolizes the pet themselves.
It's quite unique. It's almost like a thumbprint or a fingerprint.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If I can get a hold of my cap Mow
for long enough to be able to do that, I'm
sure he'll have a word with me and he'll tell
me that he wants to do it. How many people
and animals have signed the position so far?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
As of a little while ago, we've got forty five
thousand human signatures and we've got forty two thousand pet signatures,
So it's certainly getting some momentum, and that's a lot
of people. We're very, very very excited about the number,
and we think that's going to go up, particularly over
the next week or two.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And I mean I mentioned this before, but we do
know how fireworks negatively affect our pets. Why in the
world do you think we still do it, Chelsea?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I just don't know. If you think about around the
world many places about fireworks Australia, you haven't had fireworks
in most of these states for for years, for decades,
I think, so it's just a thing crazy that we
do still have this this sort of firework display. As
just that it's been reduced to three or four days
with the selling stockpiling, that's the issue. So both are
(12:27):
going to be selling for one or two days. People
are still in the stock quite right, and and you know,
I just don't understand why we still we've got it
given the consequences on animals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Thanks for joining us, Neil. That said, for this episode
of the Front Page. You can read more about today's
stories and extensive news coverage at NSIDHERLD dot co dot nz.
The Front Page is produced by Ethan Seals. Richard Martin
and Dan Goodwin are the sound engineers.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and
tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.
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