October 7, 2024 • 14 mins
A search for answers is underway after HM-NZS Manawanui ran aground and sank near Samoa.
The $100 million ship left Auckland’s Devonport just over a week ago and was conducting a reef survey off the coast of Samoa but ran aground at 6.46pm on Saturday.
The ship started to take on water shortly after, and fire broke out as well, prompting an evacuation of all personnel on board.
In the end, seventy-five crew and passengers were rescued by Samoa’s Fire and Emergency Services Authority
A Court of Inquiry is underway to find out what happened, while crews are on their way to work out how it can be salvaged and if there’s an environmental concern from leaking fuel.
Today on The Front Page, Dr John Battersby, a Teaching Fellow in the Centre for Defence and Security at Massey University, joins us to discuss the historic nature of this incident, and its potential impact on geopolitical relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kilda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page,
a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. A
search for answers is underway after the HM and Z
S Manawanui ran aground and sank near Samoa. The one
hundred million dollar ship left Auckland's devonport just over a
(00:29):
week ago and was conducting a reef survey off the
coast of Samoa, but ran aground at six forty six
pm on Saturday. The ship started to take on water
shortly after, and fire broke out as well, prompting an
evacuation of all personnel on board. In the end, seventy
five crew and passengers were rescued by Samora's Fire and
(00:51):
Emergency Services Authority. A Court of inquiry is underway to
find out exactly what happened, while cruis are on their
way back, to work out how it can be salvaged
and if there's an environmental concern from leaking fuel. Today
on the Front Page, Dr John Battersby, a teaching fellow
in the Center for Defense and Security at Massi University,
(01:13):
joins us to discuss the historic nature of this incident
and its potential impact on geopolitical relationships. John, what were
your first thoughts when you heard the news.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, being a Wellington resident, we were woken up at
five oh eight with a rather nasty earthquake, so it
was fearing. Shortly after that that we spotted the news
that the ship had gone down, and it's a vessel
that does that important survey of the ocean floor work
and one of the reasons of the ocean floor changes
(01:48):
there was an earthquake, so it sort of came as
a little bit of a shock and definitely a sense
of this is an important piece of capability that we
could be losing here, So that was my first impression
of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Are obviously saying it's too early to speculate whether a
mechanical failure or human error are to blame, and we'll
go along with that, but can you tell me what
could have happened here? I suppose or we really just
don't know until that inquiry's over.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, we won't know until inquiries over, and there's a
key piece of evidence on the bottom of the ocean,
so they're going to have to get a look at that,
and so there's going to be some time involved before
we know exactly what's happened. The only other group of
people that really know what's happened were on it, and
they won't be talking to anybody other than the Inquiry.
I wouldn't have thought so, really, it's going to come
down to was this with the vessel or the people
(02:34):
on it? And it's going to be the Inquiry's job
to work out which is what The.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Dramatic scenes unfolded this morning as h Men's it is
Manuwannui became a burning haze of smoke before the vessel
rolled and slipped beneath the ocean.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh love, it's gone down, it's gone. And then finally
there was some big flame. For a couple of minutes,
the flames were going up, and then the Bold sank.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
This is a ship that unfortunately is pretty much gone.
This could have been a truly terrible day, but actually
it's a bad day.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The decision to evacuate the seventy five crew and passengers
have been credited as likely to have prevented the loss
of lives, which is just extraordinary. How rare is it
to have an evacuation like this on a military vessel.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, it's been inly rear to heaven evacuation like this
in New Zealand because we haven't lost ship since World
War Two, so it would be something that they would practice.
And it sounds as if the conditions were not ideal
for this type of thing, So it's really it's been
really good credit to them to get I would put
(03:57):
that down to the training that they would have regularly
done for this sort of thing. So as rare as
doing it operationally would be, it would something that they
would have practiced, I would have expected, and that's probably
part of the reason why everybody's got off.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We haven't lost a ship since World War II, you said,
but do we lose many other vessels?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There are two sinkings in New Zealand orders that come
to mind, the Wahini, which was nineteen sixty nine, and
then I remember the Mikhail Lermaitov going down at some
point during the nineteen eighties. So it's not a common
thing anymore for large vessels to go down. We once
it was far more common. So no, look, it's real.
It's very rare for a naval vessel to go down,
(04:37):
and it's not happened to us since World War Two,
but it does happen there has been a study that's
looked at the number lost between World War Two and
the late nineteen eighties, and I think we're over twelve
hundred incidents at sea, and a large purport of those
worse sinkings accidental sinkings of naval vessels, so bigger navies
than us, with bigger vessels, and a more significant constant
(05:00):
that has happened too, So we're not entirely alone in
naval history for losing a vessel in peacetime.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I kind of even began to imagine how much these
kind of vessels cost. This one one hundred million dollars.
But does that seem quite cheap to you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't think anything's anything. Nothing's cheap in the in
the fiscal times that we're in. It's a smaller vessel,
I think, and it's a vessel there is for a
set of specific, not especially military capabilities that it has.
So look, I think it's a decent sum of money,
but it doesn't seem to be an astronomical sum in
terms of let's say we compare it to the new
(05:39):
Into Irelander theories, which were projected to be three hundred
million each, and the Air Force poseidons four of them.
We paid out two point three billion, So it's not
like an astronomical sum that we wouldn't be able to find.
I wouldn't have expect if we needed to replace that vessel.
But still it's one hundred million dollars we could have
spent somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This not happened, And I suppose the big question is
who pays for it? Now, do you reckon it's ensured?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think you can ensure naval vessels. I don't
know the answer to that question, so no, I think
it'll come down to the government will have to if
it chooses to replace it. The government, we'll need to
find the money to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How many naval vessels do we actually have in service?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I understand that we have nine ships eight now that
would qualify as ships in service of the New Zealand Navy.
So as a percentage of our navy, it represents a
significant chunk of it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Have we always kind of had about that nine ish
or so? That seems quite small to me, but we
are a small country, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
We are, and the levy has steadily declined over the
years since War two. I can remember when we had
six six frigates. We went down to four, then we
went down to two. So it's we have a small navy.
We are a small country. Our defense capability at sea
has been declining now for fifty or sixty years.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Purchased in twenty eighteen from Norway, it was used in
the oil and gas industry there. It cost US one
hundred and three million dollars to buy and convert into
a Navy ship, which was ready for service in twenty nineteen.
The guy who signed the cabinet paper to get that
done was Ron Mark Garted.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I'm pretty sad and oh yes, you know this one
who loses ship that brought such an amazing capability to
the Royal New Zealand Navy, into New Zealand as a whole,
which quietly stunned a lot of our five Eyes and
other partners because of its capability and the innovation and
thinking that was behind its purchase. Yeah, lose that ship.
(07:44):
We knew we should be a stopgap for about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I can't imagine this is a great look for our
defense force. Is it to have a one hundred million
dollar ship sink only a few years after service?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, we've got to I think we've got to take
that one on the chin that, yeah, we've taken a
hit here. We've we've lost a vessel in peacetime. It's
two weeks out from Choggham and some major Commonwealth heads
of government meeting that's going to be right where our
vessel was. We've got all three services and the police
I presume also a running support for that. So it's
(08:21):
definitely not a good look, and it's it's not a
good time for this for this to happen. But then
there's I mentioned before, it's not like these things don't happen.
It's inherently a risky thing to heat out on the
open sea, and other navies have lost vessels in peace
time with far greater consequences than what we've experienced here.
(08:43):
So it's look, it's not an unknown thing to have
a cured and.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
We're trying to show our strength in the Pacific at
the moment, aren't we a Commonwealth heads of government? And
some I assume we're seeing that you mentioned. Is it
fair to say that this is a little bit embarrassing,
especially right before this event.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Of course, having said that, we've got to we've got
to balance that up everybody survived, nobody's died, and if
we have a little bit of a dent in our pride,
well that's that's probably an okay loss to take. But yes,
our strength in the Pacific, I'm not sure that's the
right term. I think it's our presence and influence in
the Pacific as a player who is interested in the
(09:22):
ongoing circumstances in the Pacific, the welfare of the Pacific
island countries that are there, and the general geo strategic
sort of setup. We're interested in maintaining our presence and
our eyes on that. So there's all of that sort
of stuff that that was part of, and that all
of that has taken a little bit of a hit
(09:43):
right now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
How easy is it to replace a boat like this?
I can't imagine that there's an eBay for these kind
of vessels.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, again, I'm not an expert in procurement. I can't
imagine it's it's easy. If you just look.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
At look online, there's bound to be one on trade.
Me doesn't It would be a long process.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I asked the people who are trying to replace the
Wellington depict in theories how it is to get a
replacement yeah, I can't imagine it's it's that aage I
would say, be a long, expensive.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Process inspecting New Zealand's aging defense fleet forty years old
at least before announcing a funding boost to get the
defense force on a fresher footing.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
We have secured extra funding for defense of five hundred
and seventy one million dollars.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Four hundred and eight million dollars is going towards equipment
and infrastructure, subject or final green light for Cabinet. It
will include replacing the unimogs and pinz Alga trucks. The
NZI deaf's workhorses.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh, I can't even open it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
John. We've heard in the past about the underfunding of
our defense force and it's infrastructure. After this incident, should
we look at further investments.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm not sure. I'm not a big fan of experiencing
a single incident and then making a whole lot of
quite general reactions to that. I think what New Zealand
needs to focus on is our defense mending, which I
think roughly half per capita what Australia is, and whether
that is appropriate given the changes they're going on in
(11:35):
the Pacific. We like to think we've got responsibilities in
the Pacific. We like to think that we can help
those Pacific Onlming countries in the number of ways. We've
got geostrategic competition starting to show itself. Is the Chinese
show that they're interested there? The Americans want to come back.
So we've got a whole lot of geostrategic, geopolitical kind
(11:58):
of decisions that we need to make. And the question
we've got to ask ourselves is not whether this particular
incident means we've got to refocus on how much defense
money we're spending. It's whether the objectives of New Zealand
are met by what we are and if they are not,
how much more do we need to get to those objectives.
I think that's the question we've got to ask.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
There are already reports of a strong smell of oil
in some With those geopolitical issues in mind, how should
New Zealand handle this potential environmental disaster, I guess, and
the impacts in our relationship?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, so I think on that how you can't minimize
impact to the environment.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Right, It's.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
As I said, you go out to see you take
the risk well of being out there. Pretty much every
vessel that's that's out on the seat at the moments,
full of full of fuel oil, because that's how we
get around. We're an not isle nation and so are they,
so it's not like we can exist without these vessels
coming and going from our thoughts. So that sort of
risk is the It's some There is always going to
(13:01):
be I think a period of time after a vessel
goes down where there is going to be an environmental impact.
But I tend to think of the English Channel in
World War Two, where you know, dozens of ships potentially
could have been going down on any given day, and
the environmental damage that that must have done is something
(13:22):
that nobody ever really asks about. So I think while
there will be a short term amount of environmental damage,
not to minimize it all it could be. It could
be quite damaging for the economy there for a little while,
but things will recover. It's not a huge ship, it's
not nuclear powered, so there are some I think there'll
(13:46):
be a period of time where it's it's a concern
and it may have an impact, but things will recover.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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Kilda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page,
a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. A
search for answers is underway after the HM and Z
S Manawanui ran aground and sank near Samoa. The one
hundred million dollar ship left Auckland's devonport just over a
(00:29):
week ago and was conducting a reef survey off the
coast of Samoa, but ran aground at six forty six
pm on Saturday. The ship started to take on water
shortly after, and fire broke out as well, prompting an
evacuation of all personnel on board. In the end, seventy
five crew and passengers were rescued by Samora's Fire and
(00:51):
Emergency Services Authority. A Court of inquiry is underway to
find out exactly what happened, while cruis are on their
way back, to work out how it can be salvaged
and if there's an environmental concern from leaking fuel. Today
on the Front Page, Dr John Battersby, a teaching fellow
in the Center for Defense and Security at Massi University,
(01:13):
joins us to discuss the historic nature of this incident
and its potential impact on geopolitical relationships. John, what were
your first thoughts when you heard the news.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, being a Wellington resident, we were woken up at
five oh eight with a rather nasty earthquake, so it
was fearing. Shortly after that that we spotted the news
that the ship had gone down, and it's a vessel
that does that important survey of the ocean floor work
and one of the reasons of the ocean floor changes
(01:48):
there was an earthquake, so it sort of came as
a little bit of a shock and definitely a sense
of this is an important piece of capability that we
could be losing here, So that was my first impression
of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Are obviously saying it's too early to speculate whether a
mechanical failure or human error are to blame, and we'll
go along with that, but can you tell me what
could have happened here? I suppose or we really just
don't know until that inquiry's over.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, we won't know until inquiries over, and there's a
key piece of evidence on the bottom of the ocean,
so they're going to have to get a look at that,
and so there's going to be some time involved before
we know exactly what's happened. The only other group of
people that really know what's happened were on it, and
they won't be talking to anybody other than the Inquiry.
I wouldn't have thought so, really, it's going to come
down to was this with the vessel or the people
(02:34):
on it? And it's going to be the Inquiry's job
to work out which is what The.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Dramatic scenes unfolded this morning as h Men's it is
Manuwannui became a burning haze of smoke before the vessel
rolled and slipped beneath the ocean.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh love, it's gone down, it's gone. And then finally
there was some big flame. For a couple of minutes,
the flames were going up, and then the Bold sank.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
This is a ship that unfortunately is pretty much gone.
This could have been a truly terrible day, but actually
it's a bad day.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The decision to evacuate the seventy five crew and passengers
have been credited as likely to have prevented the loss
of lives, which is just extraordinary. How rare is it
to have an evacuation like this on a military vessel.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, it's been inly rear to heaven evacuation like this
in New Zealand because we haven't lost ship since World
War Two, so it would be something that they would practice.
And it sounds as if the conditions were not ideal
for this type of thing, So it's really it's been
really good credit to them to get I would put
(03:57):
that down to the training that they would have regularly
done for this sort of thing. So as rare as
doing it operationally would be, it would something that they
would have practiced, I would have expected, and that's probably
part of the reason why everybody's got off.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We haven't lost a ship since World War II, you said,
but do we lose many other vessels?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There are two sinkings in New Zealand orders that come
to mind, the Wahini, which was nineteen sixty nine, and
then I remember the Mikhail Lermaitov going down at some
point during the nineteen eighties. So it's not a common
thing anymore for large vessels to go down. We once
it was far more common. So no, look, it's real.
It's very rare for a naval vessel to go down,
(04:37):
and it's not happened to us since World War Two,
but it does happen there has been a study that's
looked at the number lost between World War Two and
the late nineteen eighties, and I think we're over twelve
hundred incidents at sea, and a large purport of those
worse sinkings accidental sinkings of naval vessels, so bigger navies
than us, with bigger vessels, and a more significant constant
(05:00):
that has happened too, So we're not entirely alone in
naval history for losing a vessel in peacetime.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I kind of even began to imagine how much these
kind of vessels cost. This one one hundred million dollars.
But does that seem quite cheap to you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't think anything's anything. Nothing's cheap in the in
the fiscal times that we're in. It's a smaller vessel,
I think, and it's a vessel there is for a
set of specific, not especially military capabilities that it has.
So look, I think it's a decent sum of money,
but it doesn't seem to be an astronomical sum in
terms of let's say we compare it to the new
(05:39):
Into Irelander theories, which were projected to be three hundred
million each, and the Air Force poseidons four of them.
We paid out two point three billion, So it's not
like an astronomical sum that we wouldn't be able to find.
I wouldn't have expect if we needed to replace that vessel.
But still it's one hundred million dollars we could have
spent somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This not happened, And I suppose the big question is
who pays for it? Now, do you reckon it's ensured?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think you can ensure naval vessels. I don't
know the answer to that question, so no, I think
it'll come down to the government will have to if
it chooses to replace it. The government, we'll need to
find the money to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How many naval vessels do we actually have in service?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I understand that we have nine ships eight now that
would qualify as ships in service of the New Zealand Navy.
So as a percentage of our navy, it represents a
significant chunk of it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Have we always kind of had about that nine ish
or so? That seems quite small to me, but we
are a small country, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
We are, and the levy has steadily declined over the
years since War two. I can remember when we had
six six frigates. We went down to four, then we
went down to two. So it's we have a small navy.
We are a small country. Our defense capability at sea
has been declining now for fifty or sixty years.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Purchased in twenty eighteen from Norway, it was used in
the oil and gas industry there. It cost US one
hundred and three million dollars to buy and convert into
a Navy ship, which was ready for service in twenty nineteen.
The guy who signed the cabinet paper to get that
done was Ron Mark Garted.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I'm pretty sad and oh yes, you know this one
who loses ship that brought such an amazing capability to
the Royal New Zealand Navy, into New Zealand as a whole,
which quietly stunned a lot of our five Eyes and
other partners because of its capability and the innovation and
thinking that was behind its purchase. Yeah, lose that ship.
(07:44):
We knew we should be a stopgap for about fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I can't imagine this is a great look for our
defense force. Is it to have a one hundred million
dollar ship sink only a few years after service?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, we've got to I think we've got to take
that one on the chin that, yeah, we've taken a
hit here. We've we've lost a vessel in peacetime. It's
two weeks out from Choggham and some major Commonwealth heads
of government meeting that's going to be right where our
vessel was. We've got all three services and the police
I presume also a running support for that. So it's
(08:21):
definitely not a good look, and it's it's not a
good time for this for this to happen. But then
there's I mentioned before, it's not like these things don't happen.
It's inherently a risky thing to heat out on the
open sea, and other navies have lost vessels in peace
time with far greater consequences than what we've experienced here.
(08:43):
So it's look, it's not an unknown thing to have
a cured and.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
We're trying to show our strength in the Pacific at
the moment, aren't we a Commonwealth heads of government? And
some I assume we're seeing that you mentioned. Is it
fair to say that this is a little bit embarrassing,
especially right before this event.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Of course, having said that, we've got to we've got
to balance that up everybody survived, nobody's died, and if
we have a little bit of a dent in our pride,
well that's that's probably an okay loss to take. But yes,
our strength in the Pacific, I'm not sure that's the
right term. I think it's our presence and influence in
the Pacific as a player who is interested in the
(09:22):
ongoing circumstances in the Pacific, the welfare of the Pacific
island countries that are there, and the general geo strategic
sort of setup. We're interested in maintaining our presence and
our eyes on that. So there's all of that sort
of stuff that that was part of, and that all
of that has taken a little bit of a hit
(09:43):
right now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
How easy is it to replace a boat like this?
I can't imagine that there's an eBay for these kind
of vessels.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, again, I'm not an expert in procurement. I can't
imagine it's it's easy. If you just look.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
At look online, there's bound to be one on trade.
Me doesn't It would be a long process.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I asked the people who are trying to replace the
Wellington depict in theories how it is to get a
replacement yeah, I can't imagine it's it's that aage I
would say, be a long, expensive.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Process inspecting New Zealand's aging defense fleet forty years old
at least before announcing a funding boost to get the
defense force on a fresher footing.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
We have secured extra funding for defense of five hundred
and seventy one million dollars.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Four hundred and eight million dollars is going towards equipment
and infrastructure, subject or final green light for Cabinet. It
will include replacing the unimogs and pinz Alga trucks. The
NZI deaf's workhorses.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh, I can't even open it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
John. We've heard in the past about the underfunding of
our defense force and it's infrastructure. After this incident, should
we look at further investments.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm not sure. I'm not a big fan of experiencing
a single incident and then making a whole lot of
quite general reactions to that. I think what New Zealand
needs to focus on is our defense mending, which I
think roughly half per capita what Australia is, and whether
that is appropriate given the changes they're going on in
(11:35):
the Pacific. We like to think we've got responsibilities in
the Pacific. We like to think that we can help
those Pacific Onlming countries in the number of ways. We've
got geostrategic competition starting to show itself. Is the Chinese
show that they're interested there? The Americans want to come back.
So we've got a whole lot of geostrategic, geopolitical kind
(11:58):
of decisions that we need to make. And the question
we've got to ask ourselves is not whether this particular
incident means we've got to refocus on how much defense
money we're spending. It's whether the objectives of New Zealand
are met by what we are and if they are not,
how much more do we need to get to those objectives.
I think that's the question we've got to ask.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
There are already reports of a strong smell of oil
in some With those geopolitical issues in mind, how should
New Zealand handle this potential environmental disaster, I guess, and
the impacts in our relationship?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, so I think on that how you can't minimize
impact to the environment.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Right, It's.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
As I said, you go out to see you take
the risk well of being out there. Pretty much every
vessel that's that's out on the seat at the moments,
full of full of fuel oil, because that's how we
get around. We're an not isle nation and so are they,
so it's not like we can exist without these vessels
coming and going from our thoughts. So that sort of
risk is the It's some There is always going to
(13:01):
be I think a period of time after a vessel
goes down where there is going to be an environmental impact.
But I tend to think of the English Channel in
World War Two, where you know, dozens of ships potentially
could have been going down on any given day, and
the environmental damage that that must have done is something
(13:22):
that nobody ever really asks about. So I think while
there will be a short term amount of environmental damage,
not to minimize it all it could be. It could
be quite damaging for the economy there for a little while,
but things will recover. It's not a huge ship, it's
not nuclear powered, so there are some I think there'll
(13:46):
be a period of time where it's it's a concern
and it may have an impact, but things will recover.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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of the Front Page, you can read more about today's
stories and extensive news coverage at enzherld dot co dot nz.
The Front Page is produced by Ethan Siles with sound
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Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm Chelsea Daniels.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
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