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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page,
a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. An
investigation by the New Zealand Herald has revealed concerns with
police recruitment over the last several months. We've learned that
prospective cops who didn't pass fitness or literacy tests were
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allowed to start training, and dozens of recruits graduated from
police college despite not being assessed on their ability to swim.
It's prompted and ordered by police of the process and
promises to change things. But has the damage already been done?
And said Harold. Investigative reporter Michael Morra has led the
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charge on this and is with us today on the
Front Page to run through what's gone wrong here and
how police have responded. For those of us who don't know, Michael,
what does it take to become a police officer? I
assume that we just can't rock up and sign up.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Pay, Absolutely not. So there are background checks. Police would
be interested to know about any previous convictions, any possible
gang links or affiliations, so those checks are done as
well as that you have to pass various fitness standards,
including completing a two point four kilometer run under a
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certain timeframe. There's also a grip strength test and a
jump test, so those are all requirements before you start
at Police College and training. Along with that, there's psychometric testing,
so this is essentially to test that you have the abilities,
the cognitive abilities for police work, so it assesses things
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like your ability to reason and so all of those
things combined give police a good idea of whether or
not that applicant is a suitable person to go through
Police College to then become a constable and join the
New Zealand Police.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I understand there have been some concerns about the recruitment process.
What are they? So?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I was first alerted to concerns about the recruitment process
in April, and essentially the information that came to me
was that there had been instances where applicants seeking to
start at Police College were being given exemptions or having
discretionary decisions based on their applications, which it was alleged
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at the time was allowing people who had not passed
fitness tests into the Police College. That was of course
of interest because police have always said even with the
new five hundred new police officers, by November target that
the government introduced that standards would not drop. That standards
to become a police officer in New Zeland is still
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very rigorous and robust, and you have to dot all
the ey's and cross all the t's and get through
all of these various steps before you can bear constable
in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I believe that both the Minister and the Commissioner have
not been upfront with New Zealanders about the process at
the Police College, and this risks undermining the integrity of
the New Zealand Police. I asked a straight up question
during Scrutiny Week as to whether a direction or an
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order was given for recruits to be let through, and
the answer from both the Minister and the Commissioner of
Police was that that had not occurred. And now this
information that's come to light seems to contradict that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So police have audited hundreds of recruitment applications over fitness
standard breaches. Tell me a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So when I started asking questions about this, Police confirmed
to me that in indeed they had identified that at
least three candidates had been allowed into Police College in
the past year. This was in April when I first
started asking questions, and they were allowed in because discretionary
decisions on their application had been made or some form
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of exemption had been made, which essentially allowed potential police
officers had failed the prerequisites to be a police officer
to just go ahead and get into Police College anyway.
And on acknowledging that, they announced an audit and that
audit was carried out from January last year into April
this year. So I was essentially scrutinizing oneenty twenty two
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recruits from fourteen wings over that time.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Period and didn't nearly three hundred and fifty recruits graduate
despite skipping a swimming assessment.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes, that was another tip that I was provided with
after my initial coverage of the fitness test issue, I
was informed that indeed some of the recruits who were
going through Police College graduated despite not carrying out the
swimming assessment. Now Police told me, look, this is not
a pass or failed test, but obviously it's important for
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anyone who's joining the New Zealand Police to have an
understanding a personal understanding of their abilities in the water,
so if they are faced with an emergency situation which
would involve them getting into the water. They are going
to have an understanding from a personal level whether they
should indeed get into the water and rescue someone or not.
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But just to emphasize here, this was never a pass
or fail test. But on revealing that hundreds of recruits
had not been assessed on their abilities in the water,
Police Minister Mark Mitchell did not like this at all
and he essentially ordered them all those recruits to return
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to the pool and carry out the assessment, saying it's
important those recruits who were now actually police offices know
their own abilities.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
How did this come to your attention that this was happening.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well overall, I mean it was you know, via a
couple of sources who informed me that this was going on.
This is not in relation to the swimming assessment that
was separate, but in a sense there was a level
of disquiet within police. I was informed that substandard recruits
were being allowed through into Police College when they had
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not passed key prerequisites, including the fitness test to become
a police officer. And so that was the overriding concern.
And of course as a journalist that is of interest
because of the promises we have heard for months now
that standards would not be dropped, and so of course
we had this audit that was carried out.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It just seems like one of those stories that you
get a tip off and you just start scratching the
surface and more and more kind of comes out. Am
I right in thinking that?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Absolutely? I mean to the Police's credit on establishing after
I asked questions about exemptions and discretionary decisions, to their credit,
they did carry out this audit, and of course they
went a lot further than just looking at the fitness test.
They in fact looked at a whole lot of areas
and went back until January twenty twenty four, and the
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results of course verified my reporting that indeed there were
candidates who had failed the fitness test but were being
allowed into Police College anyway. But it also revealed there
were a whole lot of other areas where candidates had
failed to meet the key prerequisites but were allowed in
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any way. So seventeen Police College applicants failed the fitness
test completely or were allowed to complete parts of the
assessment on different dates, which is a breach of policy.
Those people were allowed into the Police College one hundred
and twenty eight candidates. This is the biggest sort of
area of failure failed basic English assessments but got the
green light to go into Police College. Anyway, There were
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thirty six recruits who failed psychometric tests but were allowed
to reseit those tests until they passed, and that was
seen as a breach of policy because the recommendation is
that if you fail that psychometric test, you stand down
for at least six months before you are allowed to
reset the tests. So there were many areas where breaches
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were confirmed.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
So we receive about five hundred applications per month to
join our organization who made their way to me for
exemptions over the fourteen sixteen months or so, So that
should offer you some reassurance that the standards have not dropped,
have not been adapted, and the public can be reassured
that there are top quality people graduating out of the
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college every single month. So I hope that provides some
reassurance to them.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Colleagues of ours were part of the public release of
information earlier on that goes back to able one hundred
percent support the decision, and I understand they're going to
be voted of police officers. And that's the third.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Reason, And what's this about? Police Assistant Commissioner Jill Rodgers
allowing recruits who failed fitness tests to start at Police College.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, one of the overriding concerns of my sources was
that this drop and standards was essentially being blamed on
frontline staff, so staff within recruitment staff at the Police College,
when in fact, it was alleged, according to my sources,
some of these big decisions and exemptions were being made
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at the top level of police, so within the Police executive.
Now I had information that Assistant Police Commissioner Jill Rodgers
did indeed allow some exemptions and make those calls herself.
I asked this question of the Police media team and
they indeed confirmed that Rogers did allow at least a
couple of candidates who had failed the fitness test to
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go ahead and start Police College. It's worth noting, however,
that the Police Commissioner has said that he fully backs
Jill Rogers in doing this and making these discretionary decisions
at the time. But of course, since this order has
come out and all of the issues that have come
from this, both the Commissioner and the Assistant commission have
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been very clear that no further exemptions will be permitted
at all for any candidate.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Nobody should go to work worrying whether their store is
going to be robbed or ram rated. But I'm sick
of it. Kiwi's are sick of it, and it's unacceptable,
and that's why our government has rammed up our actions
to keep Kiewe safe and to make New Zealand a
much tougher place for anyone involved in crime. So you'll
be seeing some fresh faces on CBD streets, with beat
officers having already been deployed at the start of this
month in Auckland to help police to reduce crime and
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importantly improve public safety. It's all part of our plan
to restore law in order and to get New Zealand
back contract.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, we know that there's a real push to get
five hundred extra cops on the front line by the
end of November. The government's promised one hundred and ninety
one million dollars over four years and has dubbed it
a priority. Was that a mistake? Do you think promising
these extra cops and publicizing this as a headline.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, look, I mean I'm not a politician, but politicians
will make all sorts of promises prior to coming into power.
Law and order's always been one of those areas which
interests people in a wide part of our society looking
at this and promising the five hundred police officers, and
very clearly they are not going to meet that target
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by November. So I mean, look, a police have always said,
including the Police Commissioner, has always said that that target
was ambitious. It's looking increasingly unlikely that that target will
be met. Of course, as soon as I broke the
story their first story in April about exemptions and discretionary
decisions being made to allow substandard recruits into Police College.
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The concern at that point from my sources from the
Labor Party and from the Police Association was that there
was political pressure being applied to those within the police
executive who in turn were applying pressure to other staff
to meet targets. And one of the ways it was
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alleged to meet those targets is to drop standards, make
some discretionary decisions around candidates who maybe weren't up to
scratch quite but you know, would let them go in
any way. So that is the allegation that that they
have succumbed to political pressure. Of course, that is something
that Police Minister Mark Mitchell and the Associate Police Minister
Casey Costello deny. They say they have never applied pressure
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to anyone within police.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Do you think as well, that by opening the door
to underqualified candidates are policing problems just they're going to
get worse, aren't they not better? I think we all
want the best people possible on the front lines, don't we.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, that is the concern of some of my sources
is that if you are allowing candidates who don't meet
the grade to essentially end up on the front line,
you know, working on the streets as a police officer,
then that is not great for public safety. And in fact,
that is a key point the Police Association made to
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me after the initial story I did on this, was
that it's all about public safety and we have to
be reassured as the public that those officers who are
graduating from police college and then starting their careers on
the beat are up to scratch. I think though, it's
also worth putting into this into context. While there have
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been dozens of breaches identified, I think it would be
going too far to say that we have, you know,
all recruits. So we're coming out of the Police College
and not up to scratch, because this is a section
of applicants that were scrutinized over a certain period of time.
And while that did reveal breaches, it did not show
that all oney twenty two recruits over that January twenty
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twenty four to April twenty twenty five period, it did
not show that all of them were no good.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is there anything else we need to get clarity on
from Police Michael when it comes to the recruitment process.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, certainly the findings of the audit sparked by my
initial reporting have been released in a preliminary form, you know.
So this is a preliminary and not a final report.
So we will at some point be expecting to receive
the final report. And of course the Police Minister is
actually alleging that the final report. He's apparently been given
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a verbal briefing on it, according to his office, and
he is saying, well, that will show, especially when it
comes to literacy, and remember literacy was a key standard
that was dropped. One hundred and twenty eight recruits failed
English a basic English assessment over this period. You know,
that was under review. And he will say or he
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is claiming that indeed it was the Labor Party who
under their previous administration introduced a drop and standards to literacy.
Labor is saying, well, no, it should be the Police
Minister Mark Mitchell, who accepts blame for this drop and
standards because the period that was under review was a
period when he was the Police Minister. But no doubt
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there is a lot more to come out of this yet.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Thanks for joining us, Michael Pleasure. That's it for this
episode of the Front Page. You can read more about
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dot nz. The Front Page is produced by Ethan Sells
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