Leighton Smith Podcast #243 - June 12th 2024 - Guy Hatchard - The Leighton Smith Podcast

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to podcasts two hundred and forty three for June twelve,
twenty twenty four. There are countless events happening all over
the planet at a moment, and some might say that
it always was so, but not always with the same
level of attention. Individual crises get today big or small headline?
Who confirms bird flu death in Mexico? As trusts the

(00:51):
science experts want to test America's forty million cows. Here's another,
now that someone has dropped dead. Fear of H five
N two is already starting to ripple all over the globe.
What about this one? Media is to blame for COVID
vaccine's wall of infallibility? Or we got sold a dog

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on that particular occasion. The most delusional Paul Krugman headline
in the history of delusional Paul Krugman headlines. Keeping in
mind that, of course, Paul Krugman is the economics writer
for the New York Times, And we pay attention to
the New York Times later in the podcast, and just
for the sake of it, because I've got these lying around.

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Here's a couple more the WHO powergrab and enemies of
food freedom. But the constant debate between big farmer, the
media and government departments, and the World Economic Forum and
the World Health Organization, etc. Just might be starting to
come apart. A few days ago, a former Japanese Minister

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for Internal Affairs apologized in a public speech to the
citizenry of Japan for COVID nineteen vaccine campaigns. Then, more recently,
The New York Times admitted that the evidence that COVID
came from a lab in Wuhan is overwhelming, saying that
it's undeniable that US federal funding helped to build an

(02:19):
unprecedented collection of SARS like viruses at the Wuhan Institute,
as well as contributing to research that enhanced them. But then,
or more appropriately now, the British Medical Journal has published
an article excess mortality across countries in the Western World
since COVID nineteen pandemic, and the UK Daily Telegraph headline

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covid vaccination may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths.
These are just some of the matters that we'll be
discussing with the guest on two forty three, Guy Hatchett,
publisher of The Hatchard Report, a man who's been on
this podcast on I think two occasions in the past,
and somebody I've come to respect, and Guy Hatchett is next.

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wall has finally broken. In the US and Australia. The
chapter of silence on reporting COVID nineteen vaccine injuries appears
to have slammed shut now. The article is from Adam Crichton,
who was the Washington correspondent for the Australian. He goes
on throughout the pandemic, criticism of masks or lockdowns was

(05:05):
permissible if frowned upon, but the vac the scenes attained
an almost exalted status that ensured any critics, no matter
the quality of their evidence, were unfairly disparaged as anti
vaxes cookers, or simply ignored. Why this was so remains
hard to explain, but some fault must lie with a

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too credulous, incurious mainstream media naive to the political and
financial forces that pushed governments to assume the more sensible
part of voluntary COVID nineteen vaccination at a very outset.
Compelling entire populations to take a scientifically novel vaccine produced

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on a political timetable against the disease that for the
bulk of people was a bad cold, was a highly
questionable policy, arguably trashing traditional medical ethics about informed consent. Yet,
even as it became clear through twenty one and twenty
two that the expert's pushing vaccine mandates had been wrong
over and over again, safe and effective, Safe and effective

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remained the mantra. Governments and experts insisted vaccines stopped transmission
when clearly they didn't, even though Pfizer later admitted it
hadn't even studied that question. All of this was wrought
upon us by the government of the day, including one
Ashley Bloomfield, who is about to be put under the

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microscope for the rest of this podcast now the man
who started the Hatchet Report that has been online for
the last few years. Guy Hatchett, it's great to have
you back on the podcast. Thank you so much for
your time. Great to be here. Laden. You've been very active.
Most recently you've been responsible for helping establish something called GLOBE,

(06:57):
the Campaign for Global Outlawing Biotechnology experimentation, and you've written
the International Genetic Charter. Give us a brief on that.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Well, the thing is that the international health regulations, which
are being formulated by the World Health Organization, will see
control of our health service to the World Health Organization,
and they will open the door to mass vaccination's mass

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treatment of people with novel medical procedures. And it's all
very well to say, well, we don't want this, and
there are good reasons for that, but we also have
to say what we do want. What kind of controls
would we like to see in place that the disaster
that was the pandemic doesn't happen to us again. And

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the International Genetic Charter is very simple document. Actually, it's
very short to read, just a couple of minutes of
your time, and it lays out the right to refuse
any medical intervention which penetrates the cell membrane and could

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thereby alter the genetic structure or function of a cell
or multiple cells, including the right to be fully informed
if such as the case. So basically, during the pandemic,
for the first time, with the covid vaccines, mRNA covid vaccines,
afrozenical vaccines and so on, the medical interventions actually got

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into the part of the cell that controls the entire
immunity and function of the physiology and altered it. And
it did sell on a scale that was sufficient to
affect many aspects of human health. And that was, you know,

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we crossed the rubicon. We need to have the right
to refuse that. And this is not a it's kind
of an intellectual or a philosophical or a moral sort
of requirement that we're trying to tout here. It's actually
physiological life begins with one cell and then it multiplies

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and we end up with thirty seven trillion cells.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Extraordinary, isn't it When you look at those figures for
the first time, second, third, or fifth time, even one
cell into trillions of.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Them, and in each cell, in each one of those
trillions of cells, every day, there are seventy thousand repair
jobs undertaken to ensure the integrity of that genetic material,
to ensure it continues to function as designed.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's a colossal number of repairs that are undertaken very automatically.
So our physiology is actually designed to protect the genetic
integrity of the cells, and so any medicine that sets
out to change that is going is swimming against the
physiological so to speak. We shouldn't be mandated to undertake

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such a procedure. And that is the essence of the charter.
And it has a few more clauses. The right to
full disclosure labeling of any food with genetically modified content
or food derived from animals who've been subject to genetic modification.
The right to know if there are biosynthetic substitutes in

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our food for natural ingredients, the right to have seed
and food uncontaminated by genetically modified ingredients. And actually the
right to protect the full meaning of the word natural.
That's what's getting bustardized now in the food system is
the word natural is slapped on food that is not

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natural at all, doesn't come from a plant, doesn't come
from an animal, comes from a lab.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, hold on hold on a thing. How can how
can I mean the authority seem to be very very
certain in their demand for accurate reporting when it comes
to such matters from organizations, producers, it, growers, etc. How
can they get away them with using the word natural when,

(11:26):
as you say, it's not because.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
There's no legislation governing it. Basically, I mean, if you
pick up some chocolate and it says natural vanilla flavor,
that's not coming from a vanilla plant. It's coming from
a biotech lab. And that's an innovation that's happened in
the last few years. In twenty seventeen, the government actually

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agreed to the use of three thousand synthetic ingredients in foods,
and by doing that they sort of opened a flood door,
not just the three thousand named ingredients, but all kinds
of other ingredients which are now being put in food.
Garantine doesn't come from carrots and so on, and it's

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a very longlist. The point here is that what goes
on in our body is very very precise. There are
lock and key mechanisms, There are vibratory modes of molecules,
there are shapes of molecules, all of which are important
electrical properties and molecules, all of which are very very

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important in the operation of our physiology. And this is
a matter of comment in all the media these days.
Ultra processed foods contain materials that are completely different than
anything we've been eating in our evolutionary history.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
All right, let me extend my questioning a little further.
There is a constant battle between government authority and the
world of natural supplements, or the world of supplements, shall
we say, And the supplement world is not infrequently for
its future against the people who would shut it down.

(13:13):
How can they do that on one hand, while doing
while carrying out activity that you've are just covered. On
the other It is sorry, is it? Because this subject
matter falls into the same sort of category as numerous
other matters now, where the public in general doesn't really
have a clue. That's right.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And that's where we come to the collective rights of
the International Genetic Charter, the right not to be subject
to advertising, information, or propaganda about biotechnology which exaggerates or
misrepresents any possible benefits or omits, to discuss the known
and suspected risks that has been the feature of the pandemic.

(13:56):
That and you see this in articles all the time.
I mean yesterday, I mean almost every paper carried articles
about how geneticists have finally worked out how to cure
irritable bowel syndrome Celiact disease. And if you read the

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scientific paper that they're kind of referring to, there is
nothing yet on the horizon that is going to cure
Celiac disease. The reason there's nothing on the horizon is
of the side effects of what they're trying to develop.
The side effects are so serious that they can't say

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when or if they'll be able to help the disease.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
What they have found is.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
That there's a single gene that is associated with this
particular disease, but they haven't worked out how they can
alter that situation without damaging multiple other functions in the
human physiology. And to be subjected to articles throughout the

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press saying goodbye Celiac disease that the geneticists have solved
their problem when they haven't is misrepresentation. And this comes
out of a publicity machine within Big Farmer that is
promoting all kinds of activities, investments and potential medicines, experimentation

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on populations, and so on. We have to be protected
from that. We are protected from a car salesman who's
misrepresenting his product, but we are not protected from food
manufacturers and medical intervention sellers big farmer in other words,
misrepresenting their products. If you buy a dead car it's

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gotsordust and it's geevox, you can go to an authority
and they can sort it out. You can get your
money back, and the man maybe band from selling cars.
But then if you introduce a medicine that kills multiple people,
you know, getting some kind of justice out of that

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very very hard.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Indeed, right the piece that I read read from it
at the beginning, I don't believe I mentioned when it
was when it was published, because when I read I
read it this morning, I didn't notice the date, and
I started reading and I thought, wow, this is very
good and it's about time the journalists started writing this

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sort of material, because it's time they all woke up.
The fact is that it was April of last year
when it was published, and I wondered how it got
by me because I'm a subscriber to The Australian. I
wondered how it got by me. But nevertheless, there it
was written over a year ago, and it's only now

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that the rest of the world seems to be well.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
What happened on Monday On Monday, the third of June
was that the prestigious British Medical Journal published an article
Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the
COVID nineteen pandemic our world in data estimates of January
twenty twenty to December twenty two and in that article

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the British Medical Journal at which the British Medical Journal
published basically connected the excess deaths to the vaccination program,
and that in itself is not unique. There have been
a number of articles which have questioned the safety in

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scientific journals vaccine. But what was unique was that the
UK Daily Telegraph, that authoritative newspaper headlined after looking through
the article and analyzing it interviewing experts, COVID vaccination may
have helped fuel rise in excess deaths. Experts call for

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more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates.
Now that the figures in the British Medical Journal article
point to three point five million excess deaths during the pandemic,
and they point to the fact that this is very
very basic science that the deaths were more closely linked

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to the introduction of vaccines and the continuation of vaccines
than they were linked to the incidence of COVID nineteen
infection itself, and that has opened the floodgates, the fact
that the Telegraph is prepared to publish an article as

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clear as that.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And you mentioned the New York Times.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
New York Times also, yeah, same week, the New York
Times admitted that the evidence that COVID came from a
lab in Wuhan is overwhelming, and that's well worth reading
a quote from it. It is undeniable that US federal
funding helped build an unprecedented collection of SARS like viruses

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at the Wuhan Institute, as well as contributing to research
that enhanced them. And they point to the fact that
key people working in the lab came down with strange
illness in autumn twenty nineteen. They pointed out that there
is no evidence connecting SARS COVID with any particular animal,

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but there is evidence connecting it with the lab and
so on. It was a very very detailed article and
really laying out written by a biochemist that really and
what was a game changing about this. Well, for four years,
the New York Times has been an unrepentant promoter of

(20:10):
of the theory that COVID came from animals, And the
fact that they would publish such an article is a
sign that things have changed.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, patently, that's true. The Washington Post is going through
some some house cleaning at the moment, and there was
a there was a headline oder yesterday with regard to
somebody as some some senior person addressing the staff, uh,
probably the CEO, and saying is saying, let's be blunt,

(20:44):
no one's reading the crap you're writing. It's going to
it's going to have a big effect on the Washington Post,
which is which has long been capable of publishing nonsense.
Now the New York Times is even worse. And I
just want to do a bit of history here. You
go back to Stalin's Russia, then go to Hitler's Germany,

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where The New York Times published lies about what was
going on in both of those countries at the very
crucial time when the world should have known. They went
out of their way to hide the Holocaust for a
long long time. They've done other things too, like they've
been involved in Cuba, and they make no apology for it,

(21:29):
except they did actually with one of those, and it
was the I think it was the start in one
whether they ended up apologizing for, but it was only
only a matter of about ten years ago that they
got round to doing it. The point I'm making is
that they actually have a track record of misleading the public.

(21:50):
And what bothers me and has for a long time,
is that we publish in this country articles from those
journalists and newspapers which are incredibly wrong at times and
cover up for all sorts of misdemeanors. Plus but I
want to quote this from your from your piece the
long essential read news. HEALN media is not alone in

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their lack of in depth analysis. The UK Daily Mail
says sleep after a tipple of alcohol while airborne, can
be fatal and fumes why eating one chip is like
smoking a cigarette. Also blames low fiber diets for a
sudden surge in colon cancers. The New York Post agrees
as it reports cholarectol cancer is rising rapidly among young adults.

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It also reports that a staggering sixty one percent of
US adults will have cardiovascular disease by twenty to fifty
if current accelerating trends continue. And by way of explanation,
it offers becoming a father might be bad for your heart. Comments, Well,
look at that one.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
A staggering sixty one percent of US adults will have
cardiovascular disease by twenty to fifty. That gives you an
idea of the depth of the prop that is unfolding
in our health system. Is people are not healthy, but
no one is investigating, and they're coming up journalists, they're

(23:19):
coming up with these spurious explanations. They're not explanations. If
something suddenly changes, you can't refer to things that people
are doing and have been doing for centuries, like eating
chips or fathering children and so on. You have to

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look at something new. That's basic science. And the fact
is that excess deaths suddenly accelerated in a number of
categories neurological illness, cancer, and cardiovascular disease. And they accelerated
starting in twenty twenty one. Not twenty twenty. Twenty twenty
was when we got COVID. Nineteen twenty twenty one was

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when we got the COVID vaccine. And that's what the
BMJ was pointing out papers have to pick up on
this this article in the UK Daily Telegraph. Our papers
often print articles from the UK Daily Telegraph. Why can't
they print this one saying that excess deaths are linked

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to the vaccine. This is a big issue here in
New Zealand because we have a small media pool and
it's growing smaller, and we have just come through a
period where the government has really been educating or deceiving
people into believing that the government always tells the truth

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and they shouldn't look elsewhere. This is a big issue
in this country. That information has been basically withheld and
we need to move on from that.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Okay, okay. That opens the door for me to raise
the subject of Bluefield and his contribution to the scenario
that we went through under the Addurn regime and his
position now at the WHO, and I wonder your sorts

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on his suitability for being in the position that he's in.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
He instituted them arguably the most coercive vaccine mandates of
any country in the world, and he oversaw them with
an iron fist and simultaneously exemptions while not being granted
to the general public, some of whom were very sick
after having a one vaccine were granted in their thousands

(25:49):
to Ministry of Health staff. Now that's extraordinary that even today,
after all the evidence that is coming out, he is
still calling for almost persecution of anti vaxxers. The head
of the World Health Organization whose name I can't pronounce

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is are both saying the real problem is anti vaxers.
They're still saying it, and that's a sort of to
my mind, considering the evidence that has come out. Now,
that's a sort of fanaticism. It's not related to the evidence,

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and that's I think very dangerous. It speaks of a
polarization in society that has been associated with the pandemic,
and polarized societies are very unstable. I think you just
have to go back to the evidence, and you have
to go back to the fundamental principles of the science. Here,

(26:55):
the fundamental principles of risk management and safety, of assessment
of what went on and what happened, How did it
happen that supposedly signed and aerodyte people suddenly became proponents
of something that wasn't working and was doing harm. And

(27:18):
fundamentally what was swallowed was the idea that these vaccines
could not have a wide range of effects, so there
was a very narrow list of possible effects of the vaccine,
and the science the people at medsafe looked for that

(27:39):
very narrow list of possible effects, which did include eventually myocarditis.
It included things like Bell's palsy, things that were known
to have happened with previous vaccines. They didn't look at cancers,
they didn't look at neurological disease, they didn't initially look
at heart disease, they didn't look at strokes because they

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basically felt that this couldn't it couldn't happen. I'm sure
it's going to be saying. It was a sort of
a faith thing. And now people are looking at these
much wider range of effects, excess deaths and so on,
the writings on the wall. But people have become so

(28:24):
stuck in their ideas that they can't change gear. And
that is the level of thinking that is at the
top level of the World Health organization.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Now, Yeah, Ted Ross gabriasis, if you want yes, if
you want to you want to practice, if you want
to practice it under the heading of Ted Ross must
face reality. It would be easier to ignore the World
Health's Assemblies deliberations in Geneva this week. This is May
twenty eight, but the opening address of the Director General

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ted Ross Gabriesis deserves a response. Bostht. The WHO and
its director are completely divorcing themselves from reality, illustrating how
dangerous and unfit for purpose the WHO has become. There
is clearly no way that any vote should proceed on
anything of importance that the WHO may be required to

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implement in the coming week of the WHA deliberations, ted
Ross's emphasis was on pandemics and the faltering agreements intended
to address their risk, the New Pandemic Agreement and the
amendments to the International Health Regulation the IHR. While these
are watered down and the Pandemic Agreement may not even

(29:43):
get a vote, continued justification for centering greater coordination and
power at the WHO speaks volumes about the problem we face.
Then I'll bring it up to date with June four
from our friend David Bell. Last week, amid fanfare from

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both advocates and opponents of centralization of future pandemic management,
the world continued its unfortunate stumble back to old fashioned
public health fascism. The World Health's Assembly, the WHA, adopted
the package of amendments to the two thousand and five
International Health Regulations, apparently just hours after a final text

(30:27):
had been agreed by ITSIHR working group. David Bell wrote
the first quote that I had. I've just realized the
amendments were watered down from previous proposals under which countries
would undertake to place areas of their citizens health and
human rights under the direction of a single individual in Geneva. Nonetheless,

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they lay vital groundwork for the further subversion of public
health toward a recurrent but lucrative cycle of fear mongering, suppression,
and coercion. Now it goes on for five pages, but
David Bell is extremely good at his task. Having worked
with the WHO for a number of years, he knows

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that inside out, and that's the approach that he takes.
And I would imagine that you would agree with that
in every which way.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Absolutely, it's a centralization of healthcare in the hands of
someone in a distant country. It's extraordinary. Where is personalized medicineiness,
Where is the consultation with someone who can help you
when you're ill. This is dictatorship in the health system,

(31:42):
and look, how does this work? I again this week.
Lots of article last week actually about a zempi because
zempig is that sort of so called miracle weight weight
loss drug, and its active ingredient is called some eglotide.
And at a conference in the UK, one of the

(32:05):
speakers said the maglid tide should be put in the
water supply. This is the kind of thinking that you
get once you put someone in charge of everybody's well.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Wasn't that supposed to be humorous or of something?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Well, it wasn't. It wasn't humorous because subsequent speakers started
to talk about enforcing the use of a zenpic in
the or otherwise there are other versions of it, Wegavie
and so on, butied and coercing people to take it,

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and talking about how being overweight was so unhealthy. It
was being overweight as associated with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, mental illness,
cardiovascular disease, cancer, and you name it. So therefore we
should just enforce the use of something that takes away
your appetite, that actually interacts with your brain. How does

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some egnotide work and interacts with your brain to alter
your appetite. So this is a kind of discussion that
is going on now in terms of public health, and
the problem with it is, of course the side effects
which we I've discussed at at great length, kidney damage

(33:28):
and again coming off semeglotide very problematic. Once you're on it,
you're on it, and if you come off it, then
you've got a whole range of problems that emerge in physiology.
Why are people talking like this that when really there

(33:49):
are very simple solutions to being overweight. There are dietary
and exercise solutions that really do work that haven't got
any side effects.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I can only say to you that, having spent a
long time in talk radio, the number of times that
the subject came up for one reason or another was
countless over the decades. And I'll give you an example,
the suggestion that heavier people should pay more for an

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aeroplane ticket, they should be checked in like baggage. Some
people took decide that it's not their fault that they're fat,
whereas other people, of course were very condemnatory the fact
that you're not. It's not your fault that your fat is,
as I understand it, an acceptable reason for being overweight

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in some circumstances. Don't ask me to explain. It's just
something I picked up along the way. But you're quite
right that if you've got if you've got a weight problem,
there is a way of addressing it.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, And it's a patch or covers an awful lot
of conditions. People are overweight for an awful lot of reasons.
But at its route, it's fairly easy to control. Naturally,
it shouldn't We shouldn't move on to a sort of
nineteen eighty four society where the government is mandating all

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sorts of procedures on the population. It brings me to
another point. Actually, there was a very interesting paper in
the journal Transplantology entitled Personality Changes associated with Organ Transplants,
which was published about a month ago.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
And it's kind of.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well known that when people have a heart transplant that
they can suffer personality changes. And this study didn't just
look at heart, it looks at all organs, all organ transplants.
And in the study it found that eighty seven percent
of the subjects experience marked unusual changes that challenge their behavior,

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sense of identity, and personal preferences following the transplant, and
that when investigated more closely. They found that the kind
of personality changes that the people experienced were related to
the people who were doning usually deceased of course, people
who were doning the organs. And this was a very

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unexpected result. People have sort of accepted the heart, you know,
maybe people's heart has changed, their behavior has changed. But
how does that happen? And while there were three, there
are three sort of explanations. One is psychological centered around
magical thinking, the belief that certain words, thoughts, emotions, or

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ritual behaviors imprint themselves on the world around us, but
it's rather vague. The other one was that there were
electric electromagnetic field ideas about transplant trait transfer, but they
related more to the heart, which does have a big
electrical feel. The third type of nation involves the possible

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storage of memories in cells, including their epigenetic DNAAR and
A or protein components, and it was it was this
hypothesis that fits the facts of this study. It suggests
that all living cells contain memory, meaning that history and

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hence future actions can be passed on from a donor
to the transplant issue via this to the transplant recipient
via this tissue that they get.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
So what does this mean?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
What it points to is a huge deficiency in our
knowledge of how genetics works. So far biotechnology biology has
really tried to discard consciousness from the discussion and from
the science. But this points to a very tight intimate

(38:04):
relationship between consciousness, memory, and cellular genetic activity. This is
a bombshell finding because if you are, if you are
as as is happening embarking on a whole new range
of so called genetic medication, how are you going to

(38:25):
affect people's consciousness? And that's really a huge red flag.
The implication is obvious biotech interventions that cross the cell
membrane and insert cellular genetic material like gene therapies, DNA
and our mRNA vaccines, gain of function, viral material, etc.

(38:47):
Are even more risky than it has been imagined by
anyone to date. They could be editing what makes us human.
This is, you know, incredible. I've written an article about
it which has gone very widely. And when you look
at the COVID pandemic or the mRNA vaccine, they actually

(39:10):
start to influence the physiology on a scale that's commensurate
with organ size. For example, It's estimated there are as
many as ten billion COVID varyons present during peak COVID infection,
and each COVID shot contains trillions of the m RNA molecules,
which changed the genetic operation of billions of cells. Well,

(39:32):
a human liver contains around two hundred and forty billion
cells and a kidney far fewer. So COVID infection and
mRNA vaccine technology are just in the right ballpark to
influence our psychological and behavioral profile. That's a huge red
flag area that we don't know anything about. The people

(39:52):
haven't studied. And then here where we're faced with a
pandemic that certainly has affected this the social consciousness of
the world. There's been widespread polarization of ideas. There have
been the proliferation of extreme ideas. Have we been changing

(40:13):
the way people think? I want to New York Times
thinks we might have been.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I would have run something past you. Just as
a matter of interest, What if we discovered what if
it was discovered that every one of us, within our
genetic system carries the history of our world, our ancestors.

(40:38):
I don't know quite how to frame it, but going
right back to I mean, my mother traced the family
family back to trying to think who it was now,
but somebody very famous in England, some military person in
England centuries ago. What if if those genes have affected

(40:59):
or have carried forth through the generations, and that I
or you or whoever all of us have them, have
the memories embedded in our system, we just don't know
how to find them.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Well, certainly the memories of the illnesses that are ancests
has suffered are embedded in our genes.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
That we do know.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That the diet, there's an ardguy read recently your grandparents
diet could still be affecting you and your kid's health
because that's the whole field of epigenetics. So genes definitely,
and this is now just ordinary science. Genes definitely store
all the information about past diseases and so on. But

(41:48):
is it more than that? Yes, And that's that's the
question that you know, people have not asked.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Now. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
In you know, my original field of study, theoretical physics.
At the turn of the of the last century, you
physics had to admit consciousness into its fundamental theories. The
observer is an integral part of the universe. How is

(42:17):
it that biology has excluded consciousness? Whereas you know, if
there's one thing that defines a living system, it is consciousness.
How have we left that out and relegated it in
the sense to the field of psychology. It should be
there in biology. And this is something that really I've

(42:41):
talked a lot about and written a lot about, is
that intimate relationship between biology and consciousness, between mind and body.
And as we become more invasive in our medical interventions,
we have potentially more damaging effects on the psychology. And

(43:05):
again it's a part of mainstream publishing that almost all
medications do affect consciousness in some way or another. If
you're going to get into that level of genetic organization,
which then you're going to affect the psychology, and how

(43:26):
does that work? As we started out with this interview,
the body protects the uniformity of genetic intervention. If we're
going to change that uniformity of genetic information, what are
we changing. We don't know, because we don't know exactly
how higher human emotions and values emerge from or are

(43:52):
supported by our genetics. These are questions that no one
has answered, and this opens up This is the world
that we're discovering now with this mass vaccination, we're starting
to discover has it changed the world that we live in?
And I think you talk to almost anyone and they'll

(44:13):
tell you the pandemic changed the world that we lived in.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Really quite extraordinary. I've seen no reference to anything like
that elsewhere. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, especially in some
of the journals. But now that you raise it, I
guess there is certainly room for speculation.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, there's room for speculation, and there's room for a
search too, and there's room to open doors that have
remained firmly closed for no good reason.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well, that takes me back to the media. The media
has failed in its job over a number of you,
over a couple of decades, at the very least in
refusing to entertain any any ideas apart from whatever the
particular mandated ideas might be at a given time. And

(45:05):
we've had more than more than one of them.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
So easy to poke fun at the at the media,
but very difficult to get them to change their.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
What do we do late? It's an interesting Well. I
just think that there is quite a deal of revelation
taking place at the moment. With regard to various various
things that are important in all our lives worldwide, this

(45:37):
is this is one of them. The handling of the
of the pandemic was atrocious, and I think we well,
I was going to say, I think we all know
that now, but we don't because there are people who
don't want to even confront it. There's the climate matter.
There are other things, and there are wars, and the wars.

(45:57):
The wars might be a very good example at this
point of time, for instance, this is a slightly different
different perspective. How long is the is war been going on?
Thousands of years? Exactly? Exactly? How much do we know

(46:18):
about those thousands of years? The majority of people haven't
got a clue, And kids who are going through school
now have no clue whatsoever, So they take to the
streets because they're so stupidly ignorant. And whose fault is that, Well,
you can only say that that's the fault of adults,
because they before them haven't followed any enlightening path. But

(46:41):
there are other things. The Ukrainian War, they've been going
what is it four years? Four years they've been fighting this.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
War again, it's an endless war because you go back
to the Second World War and the Germans and the
Russians fought over Karkiff in the Second World War, but
absolutely vicious fighting went on in exactly the same place
that's going on today. These wars a result of stress.

(47:11):
When stress builds up, then it erupts into conflict. So
very high levels of stress are followed by polarization, and
war follows on after polarization. And there are historically we're
talking here about past events being stored in the physiology. Well,

(47:34):
certainly these events are stored in some kind of sense
within cultural groups and just continue on. And that's why
I've been a big fan of meditation, because meditation releases stress.
It's very important that we have ways to release stress
in society. There's otherwise it's going to break out in war.

(47:57):
It's not acceptable war.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I know people are talking about talking about nuclear war
as if it's somehow something that can be survived.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
It can't.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So level stress are very important that they are controlled
in ways that are helpful and nourishing.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Now this the article, the long essential read. The dam
is breaking, the biotech bubble is Bursting is something that
I would encourage everybody to read. That's not all, of course,
because there is the there is the other matter of
the International Genetic Charter, of course, and both of them

(48:40):
are important. But would I be wrong in saying that
long essential read the dam is breaking is the one
that's dominant. Yeah, No, I think that's that's fine, all right?
What a quote from it. Eight years before the COVID
nineteen pandemic, scientists knew about the risk of an accidental

(49:00):
or deliberate release of a new version of SARS covid ie,
and they also knew that the disease had an un
usual feature vaccines made the symptoms worse. Yet, somehow, biotechnologists
in both the West and the East decided to initiate
gain of function research, which developed more virulent types of

(49:22):
coronavirus upon its escape from a lab. They forced the
widespread use of a range of novel biotech COVID vaccines
on the public, following minimal and obviously inadequate safety testing,
as though we were a bunch of rats to be
experimented on while mad people tried to play god. Given

(49:44):
what was already known to science, none of this makes
any sense unless there was a much darker motivation or
plural motivations somewhere in play you want to expand on it.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I think what has happened is that there was a
belief that somehow genes and gene research was going to
fix everything that was wrong with the human race, and
the people who developed gene editing, Chris Burr and so on,
really started to talk in almost kind of religious terms

(50:25):
about the new era of mankind. How they managed to
do that if they look through the preceding publication, I mean,
like this particular paper that you've just referred to. It
was published in twenty twelve, Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines
leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus.

(50:49):
They were ignoring what it should not have been ignored.
They were ignoring the failure of gene therapy trials, the
fact that people were dying in gene therapy trials and
still are. They were ignoring obvious risks, but they were
putting out this so of quas a religious philosophy, that

(51:13):
this is the era when we'll live long, will live healthy,
and we'll have genes that where everything is fixed. And
there was no basis to make such claims they should
have looked at the science and realized there were problems.
I mean, it's frightening. Actually this paper in twenty twelve,

(51:35):
which clearly spells out the fact that there will probably
be another coronavirus epidemic and we should be careful because
vaccines are going to make it worse. It spelled out
in black and white. Sort of frightening that we then

(51:55):
suddenly entered into an era where, according to the New
York Times investigation in Wuhan, they literally developed using gain
and function, thousands of versions of coronavirus that were stored
in a B two level lab. B two level is
a very low level of security in the lab of biosecurity.

(52:19):
It should have been be four level. Well, it shouldn't
have happened at all. It was madness, but it happened
in a lab with a low level of biosecurity. Unbelievable
that that would happen, and unbelievable that the perpetrators, the
people who were helping and funding and designing it in

(52:40):
both China and the West, people like FACCI and DAZAC
and so on, that they would then try to hide
what they'd done, that they would then do everything to
obfuscate the issue and make people believe it had come
from animals where they knew very well what had been

(53:01):
going on in that lab.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Would you agree or argue otherwise that how she should
be behind both. There are.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Millions of biotechnologists around the world doing risky research. Right
you could put one or two of them behind bars
the work pertas of the worst of vendors. But there
are millions of people around the world every day these
days doing risky research on serious illnesses, and the biosecurity

(53:37):
is just not there, and that is why there is
a need for an international Genetic Charter to protect us
from this madness that has overtaken the entire world. There
are thousands of labs all over the world and they're
in all kinds of countries. They get almost every country now,

(53:59):
including New Zealand fields. It's very important to have research
labs doing research on very serious illnesses, and mistakes are
absolutely inevitable. Again, you look at the published research that
there's a lot of research on how safe these labs are.
They're not safe. Escapes are normal. Fortunately, most escape material

(54:25):
sort of gets eaten up in the environment, but occasionally
it doesn't and now we're multiplying what's going on. So
the solution is not to pick one villain here, but
it's to look at a system and regulate it properly.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
There's nothing I can find to be critical of in
what you've said, apart from the last sentence about picking
on one. You've got to start somewhere, and it is
now patently obvious. Well, I guess you'd say, I guess
you could say it's been proven that fault she lied
and lied and lied over the activities that he was

(55:05):
involved in, what they were up to and tried to
cover up up. To me, there's only one answer to that,
and that's some that that charges and a child term.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I may come to that, but you know, I've got
to realize that America has a trillion dollar biotechnology and
industry that it has that the Biden administration is putting
at the center of its economic strategy going into the
next decade. Are they going to put one of the

(55:36):
architects of this up on trial?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
But Tauci and Tauci and and others were doing illegal things.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah they were, absolutely they were. But you know, look
at politics today. Isn't the essence of politics to lie
as much as you can get away with. And I'm
afraid this has come into science now. I'm only trying
to be what, just trying to say that it's will

(56:07):
it happen and express some outrage that there is no
accountability here in a vast enterprise. Where are the parallels
to this kind of enterprise. I'm afraid we're going to
have to use go back to things that you said,
you know, Stalinis, Russia, or or Hitler's Germany, where vast

(56:32):
enterprises where millions of people are complicit. And that's the
situation that we're in, only it's not confined to one country.
It's it's global. We're in a globalist world and we
have to work out how to proceed from here. And
I have ideas about that, but that's another it's probably

(56:54):
another podcast.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh well, I'll make note of that. There is something
I would have raise with you. Just finally. It's to
do with science, But it's a different matter. Who confirms
bird flu death in Mexico? As trust the science experts

(57:18):
want to test America's forty million cows. Somebody told me
the other day that as far as the bird flu
is concerned, the only way it can get to humans
is via fecal matter, and advised me to make sure
that we washed all the eggs before we cracked them. Now,

(57:41):
I don't know what you think of that, but I'm
asking you.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Well, this has come out of a directive from Dr
Jeremy Farah, the Chief Scientists of the World Health Organization,
and he has recently said that bird flu, which is
H five and one avian influenza virus, had an extremely

(58:07):
high more rate among the several hundred people known to
have been infected with it to date. Now that's what
he said. What he didn't say was that these several
hundred people have been infected over a twenty seven year
period in twenty three countries. That's less than one person

(58:31):
per year per country. And it's been going on for
twenty seven years that we've known about bird flow. Now,
during that whole time, even up to today, no human
to human H five N one transmission has yet been recorded.
In other words, you catch bird flu from animals, and

(58:53):
if you want to wash your eggs before you eat them,
that's fine, But the number of people catching bird flu
is very, very very small. Indeed, and then the suggestion
that we got from doctor Michael Baker that because of
this announcement by the World Health Organization we should all

(59:17):
go back to wearing masks is insane, insane because there's
no indication that it's airborne infection at all due to
actual contact. And you know, there's a recent study on
mask wearing that this is what it found is that

(59:41):
by wearing these masks, you were inhaling volatile organic compounds
xylene acrolene, per, polyflored alkali phalate, lead, Cabbian copper, and
so on, all kinds of things that you're regularly inhaling.

(01:00:02):
If you're going to wear a mask regularly for a
disease that actually you can't catch from the air, this
is the kind of sort of panicked response that we
don't need. We just don't need this sort of panicked thinking.
And why is this even coming out? I mean, look,

(01:00:22):
it was a moment's work when I saw first started
seeing the articles that suddenly appeared in our papers. There
was a moment's work to look up the scientific studies
and the actual data. I mean, newspaper writers should be
capable of doing this kind of research. They can't just
have some sort of release from the World Health Organization

(01:00:44):
land on their desk and they reprint its content without
really thinking about it. What they can well, they do, yes,
But it's no wonder you referred earlier on to the
Washington Post, the editor or the owner getting it annoyed
because the articles that they were printing were trash. Well,

(01:01:07):
I think the same implies here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
One day, maybe there'll be a title awakening. So finally,
the finally, finally, the articles that we've referred to the
International Genetic Charter and your long essential readers, you call
it the dam is breaking. Where can those people who

(01:01:32):
want and I hope everybody does, where can I find them?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You can go to the hatch Yard Report dot com.
Just so just hatch yd Report dot com and right
there on the front page there there's an article there
that's the latest article. Plus there's a banner to find
out more about the International Genetic Charter. If you want
more in depth writing on dangers of genetic engineering where

(01:02:00):
we look at the articles with a very sort of
tight focus on what exactly is going on with biotechnology
and genetic engineering in medicine, then you can glow to
Globe dot global and so you'll need the h T T.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
No, you don't. No, you don't need it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Well if it, Yeah, it depends on what your history
is if you on your browser, So you may need
to put in the https colon forward slash forward slash
Globe dot global, and once you've gone there once, you'll
never need to put that other thing in again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Okay. I I've only looked at it once and I
just I just put in Globe dot Global.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Okay, good, Well it may it may be because a
lot of people are now going there that and you'll
see there you can sign up to the International Genetic
Charter and you can look at it terms very simple. Look,
it's only a couple of minutes reading, and you can
then sign your John Hancock to it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
All right, then I repeat that I encourage I encourage
everybody to do it. Otherwise you're denying yourself some I
think important information. So I do have one last question.
I promise you've been writing the hat Shot Report publishing
it for how long? Oh it's about three years now,

(01:03:35):
it seems like longer. How come you have escaped prosecution
or persecution?

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Well, I did got I did have a couple of
articles right at the beginning, but I gave as good
as I got, and I think I all of my
articles I reference published science in mainstream scientific journals, So
I'm not stepping outside of mainstream science. I'm writing in

(01:04:06):
a rational way, and I'm quite open to questions and debates.
But people are you know how much debate do we
see in the media.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Almost none? Yeah, quite. You haven't stepped outside the bounds
of appropriate science, but you have overstepped the mark, or
stepped outside the bounds of the man dated views of
the last few years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Absolutely, And our website comes under continual attack. We had
a huge attack when we released the International Genetic Charter.
Our websites came under a huge attack. There are people
with money and resources who don't want anyone to find
out much about biotechnology, whether it's safe or not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So what prevented that attack from being successful?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Well, one of them was successful, But it's easily fixable.
We have, you know, we have to put a lot
of systems in place two protect what we're publishing. And
I think most people who are publishing these days where
there's some level of conscious controversy about vaccines and COVID vaccines, biotechnology,

(01:05:29):
vaccines and biotechnology, I've got probably had to put in
similar levels of protection.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Well, I stay with and maintain my attitude is simply
one of individual freedom, individual choice, and anybody who tries
to introduce the forcing, the mandating of anything when it
comes to the invasion of your of your body, I'm

(01:05:59):
opposed to it totally. Absolutely, it's worthy of it's actually
worthy of war. Yeah, it's been great, thank you, and
I might follow up on that other matter that you raise.
Looking forward to it, all right, thanks so much, thank you,

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Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Alistair says another wonderful interview with Oliver Hartwich from the
New Zealand Institute, outlining the challenges and perhaps opportunities we
have following the demise of the destructive sixth Labor Government.
One thing that stuck in my mind is the date
of twenty thirty eight for bringing the government books back
to the halcyon days of two thousand and nineteen's abject

(01:08:17):
profligacy two thousand and thirty eight indicates to me that
this sixth National Government has already conceded defeat on the economy.
No government since the Holy Oak National Government, which was
nineteen sixty to seventy two, has ever lasted more than
three terms. That means the best this coalition can hope

(01:08:38):
for is to survive till twenty thirty two, and based
on this budget, they will be lucky to last that long,
given it seems they're happy to just manage the decline.
On the upside, I suppose maybe by then things will
be bad enough we can ask Ruth Richardson for forgiveness
and a return to Parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Indeed, so he's a long one from Canada, obviously paying
by the word Laighton. Oliver Hartwitch's interview was excellent, a
real treat at two thirty am, cheers got.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Better things to do it too thirty am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
That's thank you, Rod.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Later and I timed Dr Oliver Hartwich. It took him
to four minutes to list everything that was broken in
New Zealand education. With that he qualified a statement that
indeed everything in our education is broken. In June twenty
twenty one, University of Auckland's pro vice chancellor of Maori
wrote an ophed entitled in Digenized University so Mariy can

(01:09:38):
be Maori. This is exactly the kind of crap that
has poisoned our education system. Thankfully, the same university's professor
Elizabeth Rahta counted the stupidity with her own ophead last
year entitled in Digitization threatens the University's very foundations. I'm
glad Labour and Green's managed to inject critical race theory

(01:10:00):
into our education. I'm glad LGBT activists managed to push
sex change surgeries for kids against pair wishes. I'm glad
that the Democrats successfully committed perjury against Donald Trump. I'm
glad that the left always goes too far, and in
going too far, people wake up. If the EU elections

(01:10:21):
is any indication the conservative giant within us is finally stirring,
and I have a dream that one day we will
have people like Dr Oliver Hartwich and Professor Elizabeth Rater
running our ministry of education.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
That's actually very good, but there's one aspect to it
of it that didn't sit comfortably with me, and that
was this. I'm glad that the left always goes too far,
and in going too far, people wake up. Here's the
problem with that. Why are they going too far left
in the first place? Why are they getting away with it?

(01:10:57):
Why have the people gone to sleep and not learned
from past experience? I mean, it just it frustrates me
enormously because that's exactly what happens, well, write the other
because they offer them money essentially, and then when they
realize that it's all bug it up, they race back

(01:11:17):
to the common sense approach and we have to go
through the procedure all over again. Because you only look
at Chloe what's an ound Schwarbrick, and you'll see exactly
what I'm talking about. Layton, May I please inquire to
the nature of the mentioned local tax in place of
rates tax and by what function would it be collected.

(01:11:39):
There has been a number of proposals postulated in the
past re revenue streams, including GST type tax to replace rates,
although some seem to think that it should be as
well as where does this one fitted? Among others? Has
the work been done to estimate how much a local
tax would need to be set at without making it

(01:11:59):
an excuse to simply fleece us all. Further, bearing in
mind that some places are much more than the likes
of Auckland or christ Church. Well, my response to that
is there's been a lot of suggestions made in the
past that you just have to dig them out and
then try and find a better one, I suppose. But
as for the comparison of size of places, that would

(01:12:21):
be simply reflected in the amount of money that was
collected in each, But no mention of how aspects of
the Swiss model or other could be practically modified to
work in New Zealand, the most critical of which is
how in the world would the politicians be relieved of
their power monopoly over the New Zealand people also checks
and balances on both sides to ensure that right things

(01:12:44):
happen and I guess bad things don't. Our track record
has brought us to where we are today under the
embrace of the current chosen model at political parties endowed
by it. The proposed models presented to the public to
choose from at the time were all broken models designed
to disempower the people. None gave the people authority over

(01:13:08):
their representatives. While in office we bear the fruits of
our labors. Is put a capital L on labors because
what you can work out?

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Why Leyden?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Sorry? Can I just add? There no mention of how
the aspects of the Swiss model or other could be
practically modified to work in New Zealand. You've only got
to get your hands on the book one hundred Days,
which is about exactly that, to see that there's been
plenty of work done and they would be relatively easy
to apply.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Laydon Patrick says. One of your correspondents mentioned that they
would prefer a decentralized ID system based on a theoryum
rather than the centralized real me system, the argument being
that it would give each individual sovereignty over their own
data and who they wanted to share it with.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
The issue here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Is that whether the system becomes effectively mandatory or not
doesn't depend on the law. It only depends on market acceptance.
Whether it is centralized in law or decentralized and optional.
It will be made effectively mandatory when compliance exceeds eighty percent.
At that point they can safely start denying services to

(01:14:20):
any stragglers.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
To force compliance.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
The COVID experience shows us that fifty percent of the
population will happily give away all their rights for anything
they have told us a good cause, and another forty
percent will give them all away for a free box
of KFC. For this reason, the powers that we have
no problem with a private, decentralized ID system instead of
a centralized one. It will be better for them in
many ways, as they can rightly argue that the sheep

(01:14:46):
walked into their own pens and nobody forced them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
From Patrick Patrick. I sent your letter to the source
of your issue, and that was John Elcock, of course,
and John replied with a very long letter which you
have a copy of. But he also copied me in
and this is just a taste. He says, thanks very

(01:15:09):
much for your email. And it's certainly an interesting point.
I personally already have a real me identity. As for
dealing with the New Zealand government, it certainly does make
things a lot more convenient. I'm also aware that the
Department of Internal Affairs has spent a great deal of time,
money and energy investing in this system, having spoken directly

(01:15:31):
with the people responsible at conferences and when I've called
him in the lift. Now this is, like I said,
very long and if I can, I'll slip it in
the whole thing. At the very end of today's podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Leyton Brett says, I think you might find this article
interesting regarding landmark legal ruling finds that COVID tests are
not fit for purpose, and he sends you a link.
Nothing was reported in our media regarding this landmark case.
I enjoyed your podcast with Muriel Newman. She couldn't understand
what was driving the Marie sovereignty movement recently in Canada.

(01:16:03):
Justin Trudeau just handed over twenty percent of Canada to
the Indigenous people, which has a total population of twenty
seven to forty thousand, and he sends you an SBS link,
the largest land transfer in Canada's history. This transfer gave
full mineral and resource rights. The Indigenous peoples don't have

(01:16:25):
the infrastructure or experience to manage us land mass, so
an NGO is appointed by the UN which will manage
this land on their behalf. The UN drafted the Rights
of Indigenous People Agreement to essentially secure land, using the
ignorant Indigenous peoples to secure it for themselves, managing the

(01:16:46):
resources and well through their NGOs. I think this is
where three waters might have been headed in New Zealand
under the ar Durn government.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
What do you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Think your podcast is essential listening. I'm looking forward to
Leyton's interviews and insights around the looming US election. We
won't get the real story from our mainstream media. Thank you,
says Brett, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Take care and Bred. The question is when is the
right time to start doing those interviews en mass almost
for the US election. It's an interesting conundrum just at
the moment, so writes Vincent, our old mate Dan Andrews
across the Tasman he, being the Premiere of Victoria X,

(01:17:30):
received a gong for his selfless quote unquote handling of
the COVID in Victoria. A astonishing for a premier who
never finished his term to be awarded a King's Honor award.
Remind you of anybody on this side of the ditch.
Absolutely sickening for those awards to be sullied in such

(01:17:50):
a manner and deemed utterly worthless. A pity for those
who are recognized for actual, worthy reasons. Vincent, I was
more disgusted than you, and I know that because nobody
could have been more disgusted than me. That excuse for
a politician deserve nothing but to kick up the backside

(01:18:11):
and a good hard one. And if I say any more,
I'll offend somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
Laton.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Finally from me, Vincent says, yes it's Wednesday. I look
forward to your podcast each week. Absolutely a highlight. I
loved Oliver's suggestion in today's installment about how councils could
be funded by a local income tax as opposed to
the current rate system. I've often thought that New Zealand
would benefit from its population being spread around rather than

(01:18:37):
everybody being squished into Auckland. If councils had to compete
for income, they would aim to attract business and enterprise
to their own region, thereby benefiting the citizens to which
they are answerable. Such a common sense approach, sadly is
unlikely to see the light of day because it's too sensible.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
Have a great rest of your week. And that's from Vincent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Now, is isact the same Vincent as I just read? Prom
Yes it is? How did he get to in the
two and one? What was the date on that? Just
as a matter who interest? June five and June ten? Okay,
fair enough? Finally from Chris in Canberra Repodcast two forty two.
I was interested in the comment by David Sachs that

(01:19:22):
the central issue in the twenty twenty four presidential election
in November is whether Americans will stand for the US
becoming a banana republic. I reckon that Johann was at
Johann I've never known a leak. Nailed it in the
Weekend Australian of the first of June. See the cartoon below.

(01:19:44):
See it's a skyline buildings and the tallest building is
a banana sticking up out of the back of the
rest of them. Furthermore, the letter that you read at
the end of the podcast about the Lost generation brought
to mind an item on Channel seven on the fourth
of June, which reported that a twelve year old boy,

(01:20:05):
who police claim is a serial violent crit all, was
facing court. He has been charged and released seventy three
times on over two hundred crimes over fifteen months, and
as broken bail conditions repeatedly. This time bail was denied.
A former detective says he fears we are losing an

(01:20:26):
entire generation of youth. Here is the link to the
footage if you wish to look at it. It goes
for nearly two minutes, Chris, I really appreciate you sending that,
and I did look at it, and you described it perfectly,
so I didn't really need to. But nevertheless, I took
a shot with my camera. I took a shot of
the places where he has committed these crimes. You ready,

(01:20:49):
If you don't know Sydney, doesn't matter because it tells
its own story. But if you do know Sydney, then
you'll have some idea of the zone that this kid
has been operating in Mount Druett, Marsden Park, Plumpton, Emerton,
Saint Mary's Sydney, which means the city, Wentworth Park, Paramatta, Redven,

(01:21:10):
Pendall Hill, Gireween Blacktown, Bondi Junction. And we know what
took place in Bondi Junction recently. Ed's never heard of it.
Castle Hill, West Pymble and Ross Hill. Now West Pemble
is the closest to where I grew up on the
North Shore. The rest of them are spread north, southeast

(01:21:31):
and west. This kid's been hopping on trains and going
everywhere to Committee's crimes. Here's the question. He's now behind bars,
But what do you do with him? What do you
do with him? Because you can't tell me that we
don't have kids of similar ages who have been doing
the same sort of thing over here, maybe not quite

(01:21:51):
as bad, who knows, but certainly who need some serious attention,
missus producer, I thank you, thank you. Later, I shall
now spend the next two hours editing to get all
your coffs and things out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
Yes, I'm sorry about that. I think I've got a
bit of a chest infection, but so forgive me. If
I was scrambling through.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
That just be something to feel in the rest of
the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
That's cursed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
During the course of the interview, I made reference to
the New York Times and its historical record of lying
to its readers and the rest of the world for
that matter, and I thought it might be appropriate to
justify that with a a little bit of quoting from
Mike Levin's book Unfreedom of the Press. He makes reference
to much of this. After covering off a little bit

(01:22:55):
of history, he says, however, unbelievably, for the New York
Times and other newspapers, the effective cover up of the
Holocaust was not the first time they knowingly censored the
horrors of genocide while it was occurring from approximately nineteen
thirty two to thirty three, Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin starved

(01:23:15):
the people of Ukraine, resulting in the mass genocide of
millions of Ukrainians. Bruce Bartlett, writing in Human Events, explained
that the Hollidamore or Great Famine of nineteen thirty two
and thirty three was the culmination of a long struggle
between the Soviet state, non Russian nationalities like the Ukrainians,

(01:23:37):
and historically independent minded farmers who had been forced into
or onto collective farms. It also resulted from Stalin's need
for foreign exchange to buy Western machinery to aid industrialization.
In late nineteen thirty two, wrote Bartlet, Stalin decreed that
all grains should be confiscated and anyone interfering with this

(01:23:58):
action should be considered an enemy of the state. Throughout
the countryside in Ukraine and other grain growing areas, starvation
set in. Stalin sent troops to prevent farmers from leaving
the land, where increasingly there was nothing to eat. In
response to please for food aid, Stalin called the famine

(01:24:18):
one of the minor inconveniences of our system. Close quote
a Manchester Guardian reporter Malcolm Muggridge traveled to Ukraine to
see for himself what was taking place. In her book
Stalind's Apologist, Sally Taylor recounts that in a series of
articles published in The Guardian at the end of March

(01:24:39):
nineteen thirty three, Muggridge confirmed the existence of widespread famine.
In his eye witness account, the peasant population, he wrote,
was starving quote I mean starving in its absolute sense,
not undernourished, but having four weeks next to nothing to eat.
It was true, Muggridge wrote, the famine is an organized occupation,

(01:25:01):
worse active war. Thus, even from other new sources such
as The Manchester Guardian the New York Times had to
know the truth about the famine that was taking place
in Ukraine. Even more, as Hoover Institution historian and scholar
Robert Conquest wrote in his book The Harvest of Sorrow,
let us insist on the fact that the truth was

(01:25:23):
indeed widely available in the West. In spite of everything,
full or adequate reports appeared in the Manchester Guardian, the
Daily Telegraph, lumatan Lea Figero did, a bunch of other
newspapers from European countries, and scores of other Western papers.
In the United States, wide circulation newspapers printed very full

(01:25:46):
first hand accounts by Ukrainian, American and other visitors, though
these were mostly discounted, as often appearing in right wing
journals and the Christian Science Monitor. The New York Herald
Tribune and the New York Jewish for Words gave broad coverage. However,
The Times longtime man in Moscow, Walter Duranti, a propagandist

(01:26:11):
and apologist for the nineteen seventeen Communist revolution in Russia
and later Stalin and his murderous regime. He reported otherwise. Indeed,
The Times was proud of their man in Moscow. In
nineteen thirty two, Guranti was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for
a series of articles in The Times that covered up
Stalinism's atrocities, and from nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty

(01:26:32):
three Duranti wrote news columns for The Times, not only
denying the fact of the catastrophic famine taking place in Ukraine,
but censoring Stalin's role in the genocide of multiple millions
of Ukrainians. Then we come to the next paragraph and
covers the star if you like of a movie that

(01:26:53):
came out in twenty nineteen mister Jones. Another Guardian reporter,
Gareth Jones, also filed news also filed news stories about
the famine Ukraine. Like Muggridge, Jones had gone to the
areas where white spread starvation was occurring, traveling some forty
miles into the midst of it, and was also horrified

(01:27:14):
by what he witnessed and was told, which he reported
in detail. But Duranti then took aim at Jones's credibility
and used his powerful perch at The New York Times
to publicly demean him and the accuracy of his reporting
in the newspages of the Times. On March thirteen, nineteen
thirty two, Guranti wrote a piece in The Times titled

(01:27:35):
Russians Hungry but not Starving, in which he, among other things,
dismissed Jones's first hand accounts and counted him with disinformation. Quote.
Since I talked to mister Jones, I have made exhaustive
inquiries about this alleged Taman situation. I have inquired in
Soviet commissariats and in foreign embassies with their network of consoles,

(01:27:57):
and have tabulated information from Britain's working as specialists and
from my personal connections Russian and foreign. All of this
seems to me to be more trustworthy the information that
I could get by a brief trip through any one area.
In other words, he's apologizing, sort of making excuses for
not having gone and experienced himself. The Soviet Union is

(01:28:20):
too big to permit a hasty study, and it is
the foreign correspondence job to present a whole picture, not
part of it. Duranti then exclaimed, and here are the facts.
There is a serious shortage of food throughout the country,
with occasional cases of well managed states or collective farms.
The big cities and the army are adequately supplied with food.

(01:28:42):
There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but
there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition. In
short conditions are definitely bad in certain sections the Ukraine,
North Caucuses and Lower Lower Vulgar. The rest of the
country is on short rations, but nothing worse. These conditions

(01:29:04):
are bad, but there is no famine. Of course, this
was a flat out lie. Do I need to go
any further, Probably not, but let me The famine peaked
in the summer of nineteen thirty three, unbelievably. On September seventeen,
nineteen thirty three, Durante was added again in another report

(01:29:26):
from Russia. Duranti assured the Times readers that all was
well in Ukraine and that suggestions to the contrary were nonsense.
The writer has just completed a two hundred mile auto
trip through the heart of Ukraine and can say positively
that the harvest is splendid at all. Talk of famine
is ridiculous everywhere one goes and with everyone with whom

(01:29:50):
one talks, from commonists and officials to local peasants. It's
the same story. Now we will be all right. Now
we are assured for the winter. Now we have more
grain that can easily be harvested. But Gurante knew the
ugly truth, as Professor Lubami Maire Luchuk of the Royal

(01:30:10):
Military College of Canada has written. On September twenty sixth,
nineteen thirty three, at the British Embassy in Moscow, Durante
privately confided to William Strang that as many as ten
million people had died directly or indirectly of famine conditions
in the USSR during the past year. Meanwhile, publicly Duranti

(01:30:31):
orchestrated a vicious ostracizing of those journalists who risked much
by reporting on the brutalities of forced collectivisation and the
ensuing demographic catastrophe muggerage among them. Even as fertile Ukraine,
once the bread basket of Europe, became a modern day
gold Gotha, a place of skulls. Duranti plowed the truth

(01:30:53):
under occasionally pressed on the human cost of the Soviet experiment.
He did, however, evolve a dismissive dodge, canting, you can't
make an omelet without breaking eggs. Indeed, wrote Conquest, he
had personally told Eujane Lymes he was a United Press
Moscow correspondent, and others that he estimated the famine victims

(01:31:17):
at around seven million. What the American public got was
not the straight stuff, but the false reporting. Its influence
was enormous and long lasting. Well. The New York Times
did apologize for it in an editorial a few years ago.
I still have a copy of that somewhere, and I

(01:31:37):
think I've probably read it on radio, to be honest.
But nevertheless, it wasn't the first, and it won't be
the last time that the New York Times can be
held or should be held accountable for misleading its readership
and much of the rest of the world. Now, just
to repeat, the extract I read was from Unfreedom of

(01:31:58):
the Press by Mack Livin, and there are six copies
of it in the Auckland Library system. Can't speak for
anywhere else. And the movie Mister Jones, I've seen it
probably I think in twenty twenty, and i'd like to
see it again after reading that extract and watching the
trailer for it a short while ago. But I can't

(01:32:19):
tell you where it might be streaming at the moment,
but you might like to do have a look, Layton Smith.
Now I'm regretfully going to park the long letter that
John Elcock wrote to Patrick, and I've put it aside
for another time because I had something planned for this
part of the podcast, which is the conclusion Bird flu

(01:32:41):
Fear and Perverse Incentives by David Bell and published June eleven,
New Zealand Time. A fifty nine year old man unfortunately died,
and I should say I'm going to read the first
the first section and the final section because it's six
pages long, and encourage everybody to read the whole thing

(01:33:04):
for themselves. Details at the back. A fifty nine year
old unfortunately died in Mexico in late April, having been
bed bound for weeks and suffering from type two diabetes
and chronic renal failure. He was at high risk from
respiratory virus infection. It became newsworthy, and the World Health
Organization thousands of miles Distant even released a media's statement

(01:33:28):
because recent advances in genetic sequencing allowed the presence of
type A, that is, H five N two influenza virus,
a type of bird flu to be reported in a
single clinical sample. A month later, refuting the Who's Distant
bureaucrats attributing mortality to the virus, Mexico's health secretary is

(01:33:50):
reported as noting that it was chronic illness that caused
the death. Irrespective of cause, deaths are a tragedy for
family and friends. This one made global news purely because
of advances in diagnostic technology. The WHO, the media, and
a growing pandemic in industry had been waiting for this
inevitable event. Testing and screening as it's critical to perhaps

(01:34:15):
the largest business scheme in human history. Note that the
largest possible largest business scheme in human history. There are
hundreds of billions on the table and the will and
means to take it. We all need to understand why
and what is supposed to happen next. So to the

(01:34:36):
back end and the last couple of paragraphs. Unless wider
society regains control of the agenda, the farmer industry and
its investors are set to make a killing through bird flu.
It will be at least as big as COVID. It
will also serve an important role in further building the
pandemic industry, justifying the finalization of the postponed WHO Pandemic

(01:35:00):
Agreement treaty. It is a vital cog in the great reset.
Outbreaks do occur, and we shall monitor and prepare for them. However,
we have allowed the development of a system where outbreaks
are almost all that matter. Perceptions of risk and resultant
funding have become grossly disproportionate to reality. The perverse incentives

(01:35:24):
driving this are obvious, as are the harms. The world
will be increasingly unequal and impoverished and sick building on
the outcomes of the COVID response, Fear promotes profit better
than calmness and content. It is on us to remain
calm and continually educate ourselves regarding context. No one will

(01:35:47):
sell these to us. Now. You can find the article
the Brownstone Institute site Brownstone dot org bird flu, spell, flu, fear,
and perverse incentives, and it runs through all sorts of
aspects of this particular situation, and I want to seriously
encourage every one of you to look it up and

(01:36:08):
read it. That will take us out for podcasts two
hundred and forty three. If you'd care to write to us,
hope you do Latent at newstalksb dot co dot NZD
or Carolyn Carolyn with a Y at newstalksb dot co
dot nseid. We shall return shortly with the podcast number
two hundred and forty four and it's going to be

(01:36:31):
a ripper. Until then, as always, thank you for listening
and we shall talk soon.

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