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July 17, 2025 • 12 mins

THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Friday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) It's Hard Out There... Or Is It?/Who You'd Rather Have Voting/That's Just Sport/No, I Don't Want Any of Your Discs/AI Apocalypse Update

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap there and welcome to the Rerap for Friday.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
All the best that's from the Mic Asking Breakfast co
starring guest starring special guest starring hither at Duple c
Ellen on News Talks It'd be and a sillier package.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I am gleen Hart today.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Does the UK changing their voting age mean that we
will change ours? Roger two versus check might be off
to the rebel Rugby?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
What is the latest supermarket give way? And is it
any good?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
And you can find out the answer to all these
questions with an AI search.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
But before any of that is the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I still can't quite figure out what's happening with the economy.
Is it going good? Is it going bad?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
But now I've got a little bit of good news
for you, right because I feel like you might need
it after listening to the vegetable price is when we
do finally get the economy humming, it's going to be good.
Infometrics has just doubled us talking about the infometrics data earlier.
Some of it is that it's just doubled its growth
forecasts for the economy, So it's going to be, they say,
heading towards two point eight percent a year growth next year.
They reckon it's because the farm exports are pulling us through.

(01:26):
So if you're feeling aggrieved about the price of butter,
just remember this. The farm exports are pulling us through.
Lower interest rates are obviously starting to head and we've
got less worry now than we did maybe a little
while ago, a few weeks ago about what's going on
with the tariffs. We will absolutely be waiting longer than
expected because last year it was survived to twenty five,
wasn't it. When we're in twenty five, I ain't nothing's happening.

(01:47):
So we're waiting a little bit longer than we thought
we would. But when it does happen, it will be
better than we thought.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And I don't know how many times I have to
tell people this, don't take any notice of what you
just said, because if there are three professions that you
don't want to take seriously at all, it's where the forecasters,
economic forecasters and what's the third one?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh that's right, polsters, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
So you can just ignore all those three groups and
what happens will happen. So rewrap Actually, speaking of poles,
how are you supposed to know who's going to vote
in an election if you let sixteen and seventeen year
olds vote in't it?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh dear?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
The British government is going to give sixteen and seventeen
year olds the right to vote in all UK elections.
I say, oh dear, because once this kind of idea
hits a place like the UK, which is rather large
and where we export a lot of our ideas from
and where we visit a lot. You know, once they
latch onto something like this, it's only a matter of time,
isn't it before we're lumped with the same thing. The
reason they're doing it is because they already have elections

(02:47):
in Scotland and Wales, and sixteen and seventeen year olds
already vote there, so it, you know, roll it out
to England and then the whole thing is all doing
the same thing, so it would align better across Britain,
they say. Prime Minister says, they're old enough to go
out to work, they're old enough to pay taxes, and
I think if you pay in you should have the
opportunity to say what you want your money spent on,
in which way the government should go. This is not

(03:08):
altogether a surprise because it was in their election manifesto,
and it should likely pass because it was in their
election manifesto. But you know, brace yourself for the debate
to be sparked up here again.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I've never understood why people don't want young people to vote,
because a they've got to live with the consequences of
whatever decisions are made in the halls of power, and
be the chances of them, I don't know, having dementia
are a lot lower than some of the older members
of our community who are allowed to vote already.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Anyway, that's just my take.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Right, We've got rebel rugby happening and it means that, yeah,
the Saudis.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Have opened the pocket books to people like Roger tuvas Chef.
Is this a good or a bad thing for rugby generally?

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Look, I know that there are some who bristol At
athletes taking money from the Saudis, But I actually hope
that Roger Tuivasishek signs with that Saudi Rugby Rebel Rugby
competition or whatever it's called. And once he does sign,
I hope the thing is successful, because if it is,
I think this could be the best thing that happens
to rugby in a very very long time. Now, this
is not me bashing rugby again. This is me, as

(04:17):
a fan who has loved watching rugby for thirty five
years or so, wanting the best for the game so
that I can keep on enjoying it. If this competition works,
it will be good for the players because at the
moment there are apparently and this I was surprised by this,
only about five rugby players in the world who earn
one million US dollars. That's one point six million New
Zealand dollars. This league wants to hire forty of them

(04:39):
on that kind of money. Rugby players should be making
that kind of money, at least the big stars should,
and we don't even blink when a cricket player earns
that kind of coin. And while rugby is absolutely not
as big globally, it is still a significant sport in
significant parts of the world. It will be good for
the fans as well. Imagine if one of these events
came to a city near you on a global tour
like the F one or Sale GP or the Sevens.

(05:01):
What an event that would be to attend. It could
be good for rugby as well. I mean world rugby
I think we all agree needs a boot up the
butt they fans for granted, the Saudis, I suspect, will
not because this is about money for them, So they're
going to give us the product that earns them the
best money, the product that we enjoy the most. If
the TMO is a problem, they may fix it. If
there's too much defensive play, they may fix it. If

(05:21):
there are too many rules, too many scrums, whatever, they
may fix it. All the things that will rugby ignores.
I suspect the Saudis will fix it if they treat
rugby like f one. Now, admittedly it may not be
that good for international rugby in the long run because
you know, just look at what's happened with cricket. The
T twenty leagues are cutting the lunch of international cricket.
But I would rather have excellent, privately run rugby than

(05:43):
boring international tests, if that is the choice that we have.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
This is not to say it's necessarily going to work. Okay,
RTS does not a competition make If the Saudis have
learned anything from live they will need a lot more
marquee players and actual marquee players to draw eyeballs. But
if this happens, I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So you know, the question has been asked, why are
they targeting rugby league players as well as rugby players?
And I would suggest that they don't really know what
differences and probably don't really care.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
But that's the wild speculation rewrap.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Even to supermarket giveaways, I'm not I can't be bothered
because whatever they're giving away you can usually buy cheap
airs you just go out and buy it instead of
spending all the extra on groceries to get hol of
the many you need to get the thing. Mind you,
not all the things are worth getting anyway.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yesterday the groceries arrived, right, I get my groceries from Woolies,
because Woolies, by the way, if you didn't know, this
offers a better deal for the deliveries because you can
have a subscription. So there you go. There's a plug
for Woolies. However, however, the groceries arrived, and in the
groceries with these little disky things that you can collect nowadays,
have you seen these things? I want to take this
opportunity to say that they are shite. What on earth

(06:58):
is what is going wrong with Woolworths. I mean, I
love a supermarket thingy. I do love a supermarket thing,
you very much.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I've got the.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Knives, I've got the pots, I've got the I've got
all of the stuff, and I lust after the Smeg
stuff that New World is doing at the moment. But
then I am going to Woolworth's and they give me
this crap, and I wouldn't have said anything. I wouldn't
be complaining about a free thing, would I if it
wasn't that. The last thing that they did was also
quite rubbish, which was those little boxes. What were they? Minecraft?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
What? Even?

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I'm like, I'm an adult, I don't even know what
Minecraft is. And then I don't want to give my
children stupid cardboard which just feels like a crap toy.
And also, by the way, is not bad not good
for the environment anyway. So the latest thing is these
Disney discs. I don't even know what you're supposed to
do with them, and they're trying as hard as they
like to kind of pump this up. They've got all
these these like promo things going out which Disney disc
is the rarest and most valuable. By the way, it's

(07:51):
Minnie and Mickey Mouse standing next to each other, which
I got yesterday, So I don't think it's that valuable anyway.
I just want to say, step up your game, Wilworths,
please come on.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, and stop trying to give them to me. And
so I met the self check out. It asked me.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It says, if I'm collecting the discs, make sure I
asked the attendant. They never attendant for them, and then
I say no on that. Then I try and say
no for my receipt, but that never seems.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
To work either.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And then the attendant who is nearby, ask me if
I want discs anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
No, I don't want your bloody disks. Stop trying to
give me your discs.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
In fact, can you stop giving away discs and just
take the price of the discs off my groceries?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That'd be great.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
The rewrap crumpy old man, there, don't I maybe that's
why I'm just not into AI searchers.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Listen, I didn't realize this, And actually it stands to
reason when you think about how you use if you
use AI, how you use AI. But I didn't realize
this AI is actually kind of ruining the Internet or
reducing what we're doing on the Internet. What's going on
is it's changing the way that we do the search. Right,
So instead, what would you do in the past is
you'd be like, what is what's wrong with Donald Trump's legs?

(09:03):
And then you'd click on the link and it would
sort of bring up an article and that way you
could read through the article. Therefore, it actually gets you
to go to that article. But if you use AI,
now you go what's wrong with Donald Trump's legs? It
just tells you Donald Trump has got you know, whatever
vainous problem, blah blah blah, and it just it runs
you through the details and you don't have a link
to click. You can ask for a link to click.

(09:23):
Sometimes there's a reference to click, but most of the
time there isn't And so as a result, it's basically
we just ended there. We've got a cool Thanks AI
and their head off. And as a result of that,
worldwide search traffic by humans has fallen by about fifteen
percent in the year to June. Science and education sites
have lost ten percent of their visitors. Reference sites have
lost fifteen percent of their visitors. Media is down to

(09:45):
nobody feels sorry for media unfortunately. But health sites are
the really big ones because you know, we love to
self diagnose what's wrong with me. I've got a headache?
Am I dying? You go and read all about it.
Now you can just ask ai that it'll tell you
that you're dying, which is what the Internet always tells you.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm not dying. I've just got pancreatitis.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Apparently not dying, absolutely fine. Health sites have lost thirty
one percent of their traffic, so one and three of
us are now no longer going there. We're just happily
sitting on the chat GPT. Wikipedia says that their loss
of traffic is alarming. There's an outfit called dot Dash Meredith,
which owns a bunch of titles like people and food
and wine and so on. Three years ago, its site's
got more than sixty percent of the traffic from us

(10:23):
doing Google's. Now it's only thirty percent of the traffic
or thereabouts. Now, what this means for these sites, obviously,
is that they're losing money. Because when you click on
the site to go and find out whether you're ying
from your headache, there's an advertised advertisement coming at you
because you've been talking about Viking Viking cruises. So then
it's like, hey, here's your Viking cruise, and that is
earning money for that website. Right now it's not earning

(10:45):
that money as well. And in a sad twist of irony, Google,
which has been taking away all the advertising dollars from
the local media in New Zealand, is now having its
advertising dollars taken off it by AI. Now what they're
trying to do, I mean, there's a bunch of media
that is a bunch of websites starting to sue the
chat GPT and strike deals with the chat GBT that's
happening around the world and stuff with the various AI.

(11:06):
But what they're doing, which I think is quite clever,
is that instead of monetizing our eyeballs, they're now monetizing
the cruels. So when there's like a toll booth type
thing that they can set up where if they see
the little chat g EPT coming and crawling their site,
they charge per crawel and that's how they're getting some money. Anyway,
see how that goes, because it's it's it's changing everything

(11:27):
up the old day. I little bit by a little bit,
the world around us is changing.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I do love that.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
You know, Google's got Gemini, and because Gemini is the
only thing that people are looking at, because they've decided
to put it on top of all the searchers the
search results. That they're now not making money from their
search results. Maybe they're maybe the apocalypse is coming and

(11:53):
the first people up against the wall are actually Google
and big other big tech.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
On that note, we would wish Heather farewell. Until the
next time. Mike will be with you and me and
everybody on Monday.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'll see you then.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
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