July 28, 2025 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Voting Is So Complicated/What's Happening with Kiwi Jobs?/What's Happening with Aussie Jobs?/Waiting for the Tariffs to Fall/Playing It Too Safe
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best that's from the mic asking breakfast on news
Doorg ZEDB in a sillier package, I am green heart
and today jobs have we getting on with jobs here
and over the testament? In fact, waiting for the US
tariffs to fall seems to be a disturbingly unknown element
(00:47):
to thoughts of all this. And we'll finish up with
some health and safety. It might just be a little
bit too safe. But before any of that electoral law reform.
Will there be any and will we understand it if
it happens now?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
If you want to get a bit angsty about these
voting changes, the one everyone seems to have missed is
the one about how it's been changed. Because we're so hopeless,
see on the disenfranchised side of the equation, I've got
little of any time for it. An elections held I
don't know if you realize this, but an elections held
every three years between the last one and the next one.
That's a lot of days. And at some point you
(01:21):
might want to stick your name down to have another crack.
The fact you can't rock up on the day is
only going to disenfranchise you if you're a bit disorganized.
Everyone loves a conspiracy theory, so if you jumped on
the old, oh, it's going to favor the right. No
it's not. But here's the bigger question. Why can't you
enroll on the day?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Because we can't cope. Why can't we cope because we're
a small island backwater with the technological mentality to go
with it. I asked Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister, on
the program last week, why we aren't like the Germans.
The German elections have their results as the polls close
watch the next time. It's fantastic we don't, he said,
because they're efficient. Why aren't we efficient? I asked him.
(01:59):
You might have heard, he laughed as well. He might.
Elections technologically there are a thing time forgotten this country.
I mean years back we talked to phones and votes
and electronic registration. None of it's happened, none of it
ever will. We can't conduct a census properly. For God's sake,
we make a Mariah polling station where the CEO is
also a candidate. We still have rules being changed around
(02:20):
food and drink, despite the fact that got first raised
as an issue one hundred years ago when they called
it treating. We got mail votes at local body elections,
despite the fact no one uses mail. So the post
officers beside themselves our rules around political donations. They're constantly
being tinkered with elections just to be a bit hard
for us. It is true there are issues elsewhere, of
(02:41):
course there are. We don't seem to have waiting times
many countries do. We're corruption free, which is good. Participations high,
that's good. But the fact you can't execute a fairly
simple and logical idea like same day registration does remind
you that when it comes to moder day efficiency, it's
not a disenfranchising scandal that did us in. It's the
gliding on nature of how we run things.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's a pretty good point, isn't it. Ah, Is
that really a reason not to do same day voter
registration just because we couldn't make it work? Should we
not just try and make it work. It's a bit
like the whole online voting thing is. It's a bit hard,
so we shouldn't do it or should we just do it,
(03:24):
do it properly. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's a rewrap.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Maybe it's a job creation scheme. If we hired a
few people to do this, I know we're trying to
reduce the public service. Oh it's a bit confusing, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We got the job numbers yesterday for the past year.
This is from stats, as opposed to that we did
the job adds on this program this time yesterday. But
the stats came out with the June year a number
of jobs down. Of course, Andrew alluded to it briefly.
Twelve one hundred and sixty nine job has been lost
in construction. It's a hell of a lot of jobs,
hell of a lot of lives. So manufacturing five eight
(03:56):
eight hundred and fifty jobs gone, Scientific technical services over
five thousand jobs gone, edmind support services forty eight hundred jobs. Education,
training and primary though adding jobs fifteen to nineteen year olds,
ten percent of jobs have gone. Auckland's miserable, Wellington's miserable,
Canterbury's on the up. So it's the same old story
until that turns around. It's always the last thing. Jobs
(04:17):
are always the last thing in the economic conundrum. Until
that turns round, we're going to stay in a.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Fund and not a good kind of funk either, not
a funky funk. But yeah, so I guess what are
we are? We worried that people are gonna all move
to Australia for jobs there. Sucks to be you then,
because it turns out there are any jobs there.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If you're just thinking of leaving for Australia to live
because you hate this place. Now, New South Wales lasts
more than forty five thousand jobs in two months. I
keep telling you Australia is not the green grass you
think it is. New South Wales. That's not Australia. It's
just one state within Australia has lost more than forty
five thousand jobs in the past two months. The unemployment
(05:03):
right in that part of the world's above two hundred
thousand for the first time in age is Paramatta unemployment
rates five points seven. It's now about five percent unemployment
rate in much of western Sydney Blacktown's five point four
southwestern suburbs, fire point four inner southwestern suburbs five unemployments
risen in fourteen to the fifteen major statistical districts in
the Greater Sydney area. So, milk and honey, I don't
(05:27):
think so.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And and and he always misses this bad app But
so I have to keep reminding you there's heaps of
Australians there as well. Just on top of everything else,
why would you rewrapped? Right back here in New Zealand,
we're waiting for the tariffs to fall, waiting for the
waiting for the waiting for the tariffs to fall, and
(05:49):
as can it actually be that, we don't still don't
really know whether it'll be ten percent, fifteen percent, twenty percent,
no percent, one hundred percent, how many percent?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Although it is a mess of a moving feast. Let
me ask you this question this morning. The latest Trump utterings,
which you will have missed because you're only just getting up,
came from his chair at Turnbury, is that the global
mark for tariffs is going to be fifteen to twenty percent.
Why because, as he said, you can't do two hundred deals,
which of course is true. A lot of people actually
said that when he said he was going to do
a couple of hundred deals a couple of months ago.
(06:20):
So far he's done hardly any. Of course, the EU
yesterday the UK, Indonesia, the Philippines, India seems to be
ebbing and flowing. You will note there is no real
detail around any of it. It just seems to have
been a series of threats and deadlines that constantly moves
depending on moot. Now here's the important part of this
for this country. I have asked you may have noted
the Prime Minister on a number of occasions as to
(06:41):
whether we are bothered by any of this and whether
we will need to actually deal with the Americans as
opposed to simply accepting their number as a fatal complaint.
Luxon has been consistent in saying, one, we might might
be able to trade our way through it. In other words,
demand for things like meat and key, we fruit, possibly
wine is so strong and our quality is so high
people will pay the extra at retail level in America.
(07:03):
And two, we simply don't want to be worse off
than anyone else. Well, so far, so fair, except as
of this morning, suddenly the rest of the world i e.
US potentially faces twenty percent. Twenty percent if that's where
they land, makes us worse off than others. Others have
as low as fifteen, some have nineteen. Both a lower
than twenty. So the critical question, if twenty is it,
(07:25):
what are we going to do? You would hope we
have a planned, You would hope we have a heads up.
None of this is news. Do we adjust trade to
other countries? Are we still confident that twenty percent on
beef can be passed on? I mean, given as good
as we are, there's a big difference at the butcher's
in New York between twenty and ten. This whole thing
has moved fairly dramatically in the space of a day
from it ain't the end of the world to a
(07:46):
material outcome where we, compared to others, are now losers.
So what's the plan?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, let's hope that the plan is for
worst case scenario and then anything that happens out of
there is a nice surprise. Can we do it that way?
Or or are we light the all blacks and we'll
just go out and our plan doesn't work and then
we won't have a plan after that. The rewrap right,
We're going to finish up with some of this, you know,
(08:15):
this real good kick ass fast tracking that this government
loves to do. We're getting rid of all the health
and safety nonsense. Because we've been too safe for too
damn long.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Brookies back. Brook Is back, she said on the show. Famously,
remember was it two or three months ago? She came on.
She goes, oh, I've got a whole bunch of stuff
coming on on on working health and safety. And she
was right. She's true to her word. So yesterday it
was scaffolding. The media tried to take the mickey out
of her, and I don't think she handled It wasn't
her finest moment. But what she's trying to do round
(08:47):
scaffolding is what she's trying to do on the farm
this morning as the announcement. So scaffolding, do you really
it's road cones all over again. You know, when you're
putting up scaffolding. The number of people I've had round
my house to do some painting, and I go, you
know how much is that going to cost? It goes,
oh yeah, take us three days, two blokes three days.
And then you got the cost of the scaffolding, And
(09:07):
I go, what, why do we need scaffolding? What happened
to a ladder? Oh no, you might fall off a ladder,
and I've never fallen off a ladder, so anyway, So
that's how that works. So she's working on scaffolding and
where you need a lot of scaffolding in certain circumstances.
This morning, it's farms. And here's the thing I didn't
realize about farms. So she's going to consult with farmers
in the wider agg community on health and safety regulations
(09:30):
on the realities of what she terms the realities of
farm life. She's going to amend the general risk regulations
so that young people can safely take part in light
chores on family farms. I didn't even know there were
rules around this. This is so ridiculous. I used to
help my uncle in Tamuka who owned a farm, and
I had the best time as a kid on the
(09:51):
tractor and we were climbing fences in the hay bales.
I'm sure it's probably all illegal, but it all worked
out well. Anyway. Thresholds for light chores that children can
do on farms. Do you know what one of the
chores could be that's regulated in this Collecting eggs? I mean, seriously,
that can go wrong. No, it can't unless you break
(10:13):
your eggs. You break the egg and then someone yells
at you. But that's you know, feeding small animals, watering plants.
I mean, we've got rules run.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And that probably includes chihuahas and the smaller animals, so
they are more dangerous than rottwilers.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
As we all know, she's looking at the as you
grow older driving a tractor, there are rules around driving.
I thought every kid on a farm drove attractor and
a motorcycle. When I was on a farm, I was
I'm thinking maybe ten nine on a Suzuki won twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I thought there was the whole reason. The farmer's head kids,
it's the point was to do the dangerous jobs.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You go out there and by the time you actually
set your test, you've come off the farm having been
driving the massy Ferguson since you were four, and they go, jeez,
you're a good driving. Yeah, I've been driving since us four.
Apparently there are rules around that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I do. Part of me does worry if you know
people like Edmund Hillary and Scott Dixon, we're told, oh, no,
I stopped doing that. That's a bit dangerous, that they
wouldn't have achieved what they achieved. But at the same time,
I do worry that suddenly people are going to start
falling off things and people are going to start asking.
(11:22):
So many people are falling off things. You know, We'll see,
We'll see perhaps there is a happy medium, and that's
where we've ended up. I I'd love, I'd love to
live in a happy medium. It sounds just the right temperature.
I'll see you back here again tomorrow and we will
aim for that medium then.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
For more from news talks that'd be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best that's from the mic asking breakfast on news
Doorg ZEDB in a sillier package, I am green heart
and today jobs have we getting on with jobs here
and over the testament? In fact, waiting for the US
tariffs to fall seems to be a disturbingly unknown element
(00:47):
to thoughts of all this. And we'll finish up with
some health and safety. It might just be a little
bit too safe. But before any of that electoral law reform.
Will there be any and will we understand it if
it happens now?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
If you want to get a bit angsty about these
voting changes, the one everyone seems to have missed is
the one about how it's been changed. Because we're so hopeless,
see on the disenfranchised side of the equation, I've got
little of any time for it. An elections held I
don't know if you realize this, but an elections held
every three years between the last one and the next one.
That's a lot of days. And at some point you
(01:21):
might want to stick your name down to have another crack.
The fact you can't rock up on the day is
only going to disenfranchise you if you're a bit disorganized.
Everyone loves a conspiracy theory, so if you jumped on
the old, oh, it's going to favor the right. No
it's not. But here's the bigger question. Why can't you
enroll on the day?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Because we can't cope. Why can't we cope because we're
a small island backwater with the technological mentality to go
with it. I asked Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister, on
the program last week, why we aren't like the Germans.
The German elections have their results as the polls close
watch the next time. It's fantastic we don't, he said,
because they're efficient. Why aren't we efficient? I asked him.
(01:59):
You might have heard, he laughed as well. He might.
Elections technologically there are a thing time forgotten this country.
I mean years back we talked to phones and votes
and electronic registration. None of it's happened, none of it
ever will. We can't conduct a census properly. For God's sake,
we make a Mariah polling station where the CEO is
also a candidate. We still have rules being changed around
(02:20):
food and drink, despite the fact that got first raised
as an issue one hundred years ago when they called
it treating. We got mail votes at local body elections,
despite the fact no one uses mail. So the post
officers beside themselves our rules around political donations. They're constantly
being tinkered with elections just to be a bit hard
for us. It is true there are issues elsewhere, of
(02:41):
course there are. We don't seem to have waiting times
many countries do. We're corruption free, which is good. Participations high,
that's good. But the fact you can't execute a fairly
simple and logical idea like same day registration does remind
you that when it comes to moder day efficiency, it's
not a disenfranchising scandal that did us in. It's the
gliding on nature of how we run things.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's a pretty good point, isn't it. Ah, Is
that really a reason not to do same day voter
registration just because we couldn't make it work? Should we
not just try and make it work. It's a bit
like the whole online voting thing is. It's a bit hard,
so we shouldn't do it or should we just do it,
(03:24):
do it properly. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's a rewrap.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Maybe it's a job creation scheme. If we hired a
few people to do this, I know we're trying to
reduce the public service. Oh it's a bit confusing, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We got the job numbers yesterday for the past year.
This is from stats, as opposed to that we did
the job adds on this program this time yesterday. But
the stats came out with the June year a number
of jobs down. Of course, Andrew alluded to it briefly.
Twelve one hundred and sixty nine job has been lost
in construction. It's a hell of a lot of jobs,
hell of a lot of lives. So manufacturing five eight
(03:56):
eight hundred and fifty jobs gone, Scientific technical services over
five thousand jobs gone, edmind support services forty eight hundred jobs. Education,
training and primary though adding jobs fifteen to nineteen year olds,
ten percent of jobs have gone. Auckland's miserable, Wellington's miserable,
Canterbury's on the up. So it's the same old story
until that turns around. It's always the last thing. Jobs
(04:17):
are always the last thing in the economic conundrum. Until
that turns round, we're going to stay in a.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Fund and not a good kind of funk either, not
a funky funk. But yeah, so I guess what are
we are? We worried that people are gonna all move
to Australia for jobs there. Sucks to be you then,
because it turns out there are any jobs there.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
If you're just thinking of leaving for Australia to live
because you hate this place. Now, New South Wales lasts
more than forty five thousand jobs in two months. I
keep telling you Australia is not the green grass you
think it is. New South Wales. That's not Australia. It's
just one state within Australia has lost more than forty
five thousand jobs in the past two months. The unemployment
(05:03):
right in that part of the world's above two hundred
thousand for the first time in age is Paramatta unemployment
rates five points seven. It's now about five percent unemployment
rate in much of western Sydney Blacktown's five point four
southwestern suburbs, fire point four inner southwestern suburbs five unemployments
risen in fourteen to the fifteen major statistical districts in
the Greater Sydney area. So, milk and honey, I don't
(05:27):
think so.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And and and he always misses this bad app But
so I have to keep reminding you there's heaps of
Australians there as well. Just on top of everything else,
why would you rewrapped? Right back here in New Zealand,
we're waiting for the tariffs to fall, waiting for the
waiting for the waiting for the tariffs to fall, and
(05:49):
as can it actually be that, we don't still don't
really know whether it'll be ten percent, fifteen percent, twenty percent,
no percent, one hundred percent, how many percent?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Although it is a mess of a moving feast. Let
me ask you this question this morning. The latest Trump utterings,
which you will have missed because you're only just getting up,
came from his chair at Turnbury, is that the global
mark for tariffs is going to be fifteen to twenty percent.
Why because, as he said, you can't do two hundred deals,
which of course is true. A lot of people actually
said that when he said he was going to do
a couple of hundred deals a couple of months ago.
(06:20):
So far he's done hardly any. Of course, the EU
yesterday the UK, Indonesia, the Philippines, India seems to be
ebbing and flowing. You will note there is no real
detail around any of it. It just seems to have
been a series of threats and deadlines that constantly moves
depending on moot. Now here's the important part of this
for this country. I have asked you may have noted
the Prime Minister on a number of occasions as to
(06:41):
whether we are bothered by any of this and whether
we will need to actually deal with the Americans as
opposed to simply accepting their number as a fatal complaint.
Luxon has been consistent in saying, one, we might might
be able to trade our way through it. In other words,
demand for things like meat and key, we fruit, possibly
wine is so strong and our quality is so high
people will pay the extra at retail level in America.
(07:03):
And two, we simply don't want to be worse off
than anyone else. Well, so far, so fair, except as
of this morning, suddenly the rest of the world i e.
US potentially faces twenty percent. Twenty percent if that's where
they land, makes us worse off than others. Others have
as low as fifteen, some have nineteen. Both a lower
than twenty. So the critical question, if twenty is it,
(07:25):
what are we going to do? You would hope we
have a planned, You would hope we have a heads up.
None of this is news. Do we adjust trade to
other countries? Are we still confident that twenty percent on
beef can be passed on? I mean, given as good
as we are, there's a big difference at the butcher's
in New York between twenty and ten. This whole thing
has moved fairly dramatically in the space of a day
from it ain't the end of the world to a
(07:46):
material outcome where we, compared to others, are now losers.
So what's the plan?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, let's hope that the plan is for
worst case scenario and then anything that happens out of
there is a nice surprise. Can we do it that way?
Or or are we light the all blacks and we'll
just go out and our plan doesn't work and then
we won't have a plan after that. The rewrap right,
We're going to finish up with some of this, you know,
(08:15):
this real good kick ass fast tracking that this government
loves to do. We're getting rid of all the health
and safety nonsense. Because we've been too safe for too
damn long.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Brookies back. Brook Is back, she said on the show. Famously,
remember was it two or three months ago? She came on.
She goes, oh, I've got a whole bunch of stuff
coming on on on working health and safety. And she
was right. She's true to her word. So yesterday it
was scaffolding. The media tried to take the mickey out
of her, and I don't think she handled It wasn't
her finest moment. But what she's trying to do round
(08:47):
scaffolding is what she's trying to do on the farm
this morning as the announcement. So scaffolding, do you really
it's road cones all over again. You know, when you're
putting up scaffolding. The number of people I've had round
my house to do some painting, and I go, you
know how much is that going to cost? It goes,
oh yeah, take us three days, two blokes three days.
And then you got the cost of the scaffolding, And
(09:07):
I go, what, why do we need scaffolding? What happened
to a ladder? Oh no, you might fall off a ladder,
and I've never fallen off a ladder, so anyway, So
that's how that works. So she's working on scaffolding and
where you need a lot of scaffolding in certain circumstances.
This morning, it's farms. And here's the thing I didn't
realize about farms. So she's going to consult with farmers
in the wider agg community on health and safety regulations
(09:30):
on the realities of what she terms the realities of
farm life. She's going to amend the general risk regulations
so that young people can safely take part in light
chores on family farms. I didn't even know there were
rules around this. This is so ridiculous. I used to
help my uncle in Tamuka who owned a farm, and
I had the best time as a kid on the
(09:51):
tractor and we were climbing fences in the hay bales.
I'm sure it's probably all illegal, but it all worked
out well. Anyway. Thresholds for light chores that children can
do on farms. Do you know what one of the
chores could be that's regulated in this Collecting eggs? I mean, seriously,
that can go wrong. No, it can't unless you break
(10:13):
your eggs. You break the egg and then someone yells
at you. But that's you know, feeding small animals, watering plants.
I mean, we've got rules run.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And that probably includes chihuahas and the smaller animals, so
they are more dangerous than rottwilers.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
As we all know, she's looking at the as you
grow older driving a tractor, there are rules around driving.
I thought every kid on a farm drove attractor and
a motorcycle. When I was on a farm, I was
I'm thinking maybe ten nine on a Suzuki won twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I thought there was the whole reason. The farmer's head kids,
it's the point was to do the dangerous jobs.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You go out there and by the time you actually
set your test, you've come off the farm having been
driving the massy Ferguson since you were four, and they go, jeez,
you're a good driving. Yeah, I've been driving since us four.
Apparently there are rules around that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I do. Part of me does worry if you know
people like Edmund Hillary and Scott Dixon, we're told, oh, no,
I stopped doing that. That's a bit dangerous, that they
wouldn't have achieved what they achieved. But at the same time,
I do worry that suddenly people are going to start
falling off things and people are going to start asking.
(11:22):
So many people are falling off things. You know, We'll see,
We'll see perhaps there is a happy medium, and that's
where we've ended up. I I'd love, I'd love to
live in a happy medium. It sounds just the right temperature.
I'll see you back here again tomorrow and we will
aim for that medium then.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
For more from news talks that'd be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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