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July 23, 2025 • 14 mins

THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Could It All Be a Cunning Plan?/Winston Wags the Dog/Don't Mention Adrian/MG Argybargy

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The rewrap.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
O, Good Idea and Welcome to the rewrap for Thursday,
All the best that's from the mic Husking Breakfast on
news doorgs EDB and a Sillier package. I'm Bion Harten today.
Foreign buyers? Do we want them or not? Adrian or
remember him? Yeah? Come on you do microroommind you about
him shortly? And finally are there MG's everywhere or not?

(00:48):
But before that, can we make better cheaper or not?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Was it this time yesterday? I was trying to explain
that one of the things Nicola Willis needs to do
in National in general is not spend a lot of
time making fools of themselves when it comes to things
like butter. So this is this game that Nicola plays.
Nicola goes, have you seen the supermarket? I'm going to
get them? Have you seen the banks? Don't get stuck
in the dark room with the banks. I'm going to
get them. I'm going to do something. What are you

(01:14):
going to do with them? Nicola? Wehll, I'm not going
to tell you yet, but I'm going to wag my
finger a bit more and we're going to have some
more meetings up. I'm going to get them. So this
was Nicola pre meeting on the butter.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Miles Hurrel has the opportunity to talk through what goes
into the price of a block of butter and it
and his interests.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
To do so. Yeah, it's in his interest to do
so because I got a machine gun in my bag
and if he doesn't explain it properly to me, I'm
going to gun him down. Then she had the meeting,
and then this happened.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
As has been previously acknowledged, the large proportion of the
price you pay for butter at the supermarket is dictated
by a global demand for butter.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, it isn't. Is it global demand for butter? So
what you're saying is that that Miles wasn't ripping us
off after all? Is that right, Nicola?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
In this case, I've been satisfied that I don't think
consumers are getting a raw deal.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
See the problem with that is that's not Sharon from
Tayowa Mutu, who has no interest in the economy and
who left school at the age of fourteen and doesn't
understand basic economics. That's Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister of
New Zealand former employee of Fonterra.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Given all that, it's the only real explanation that yes,
she knew all that, she knew the answers to the question,
but she didn't think that the greater, wider, unwashed public
of New Zealand would believe her.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the Ryan Bridge argument, and you're both.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Going through the process to demonstrate.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Because if you're the finance minister. If you're the finance minister,
it behooves you to behave in a prime ministerial or
financer ministerial fashion, not to play dumb games with people
in New Zealand who may or may not understand simple things.
If we don't understand that as a nation, we make money,
we earn our living by growing stuff and selling it

(03:05):
to the world, and that's how it works. If we
don't get that, we have no future, and the prime
minister should If you're right, the finance minister shouldn't be
playing those sort of games.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh so I've copied the Ryan Bridge theory. Okay, his
that makes me mad, but yeah, I'm just wondering if
this is just the whole strategy. Yeah, to do so well,
when the election rolls around, they've got all these things.
They said, well, you know we did ask about it.
We didn't, you know with the supermarkets. We did make

(03:36):
the conditions you know, easier, and nobody wanted to do supermarkets,
so you're what can you do.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's a rewrap.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So not sure if everybody's buying it, and if perhaps
this is really is back far firing for Nicola Willis
and the rest of the government.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Nicola Willis Mike is increasingly looking like one of those
bosses who makes a lot of noise and threats but
doesn't make sense. Thus no one listens to because they're
clearly out of their depth. She's a window bag. I
think that's probably being slightly unfair, but she does, as
I pointed out yesterday, have this predilection towards telling you
things are broken and wrong and she's going to do
something about it, and we just don't see they do
something about it. I mean, how many times is she

(04:13):
going to threaten the supermarkets before she actually does? I've
seen a million times.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Do it.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Whatever it is, you've got, whatever magic trick you've got
in your handbag, pull it out and do it. I
don't see what it is. I don't think there was
a scandal in the banks, and I don't think there's
a scandal in the supermarkets. No, none of us like
paying what we do for butter. But it is what
it is, and there's a reason behind it. So if
you've got some magic trick on supermarkets and banks, do it,
fix it, sort it, be a hero, solve our problem.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, you know, the more I think about it, I
think this is playing a long con here. We went
and talked to Fonterra about the better price and they say, well,
just say out of our hands. It's just international forces.
Whoon you rewrap, right. So this schism, it's a sort
of a philosophical schism between Winston Peters and well everybody else.

(05:01):
Let's be honest. He doesn't want foreigners buying houses in
New Zealand, and pretty much everybody else goes who cares.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
The government are in trouble, as we've mentioned briefly this morning,
they're in trouble in a couple of areas. As far
as I can work out, one family boost what they
said would happen numbers wise didn't two the aforementioned police recruits.
What they said would happen will not. Three are the
ban on foreign buyers for houses now looks, of course farcical.
Yesterday's attempt by the Herald to make some Winston Peter's
comments look like news was a beat up, of course,
because he said the same thing to us two months

(05:31):
ago and saying the same thing with nothing new or
any change in between is not news. It's the status quo.
What makes the Peter's stance and therefore the government damage unusual,
is Peter's stance is inexplicable. Family boost you see, got
messed up because the Ird gave the government some poor advice.
The police recruit issue, as we've just discussed, as bad
because being a cop is hard work. A lot of

(05:51):
cops leave and Australia off for sunshine and beaches and
they're actively making offers. But on the upside, the Golden
visa that's working a treat people with money have applied.
There are hundreds of millions of dollars heading well heading
towards billions of dollars in play. But we still want
them to when they arrive here rent a house apparently,
or go where B and B. The level of stupidity
in that is inescapable and inexcusable. So the Gnats had

(06:14):
a policy, if you remember, two million dollars a house,
anything over that a foreigner could buy it. That Peters
didn't like. That wasn't having it. Fine, So the Nats
move that to five or six million. Locals here aren't
buying those houses. So Peter still won't move, he says,
though he told us a deal's coming. But the critical
question is why would you burn goodwill inside a coalition,
which is what he's doing, And more importantly, why would

(06:35):
your risk reputational damage internationally? Remember this is the same
bloke who's holding us to ransom. That's the same bloke
who is also on a plane traveling the world telling
said world we're open, and yet we're not. If this
government is to survive and possibly prosper, it's the simple
stuff that you cannot afford to make an issue. We
need money, We need investment in the jobs and the

(06:57):
growth that brings. It must be part of a package,
and the package comes with a home. Peters gets that,
I know he gets that. And yet small word to
the Nats, namely Luxon, how about hardball? How long do
you want to look like the weak guys. I mean
the dog being wagged by the tail. But that's biggest
problem apart from Peter's is time. Of course, time next

(07:17):
year the country makes a decision on all of us.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
But this is why happens. The moment you go to
colalition with Wisdon Peters, he starts wagging and he doesn't
stop until you're all wagged out. He's a tail looking
for a dog to wag. That's all he's ever been
and the suit everybody can ignore him and hope that

(07:41):
he goes away, the better.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's not rewrap.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Now somebody who did go away was Adrian or I'm
not quite sure why Mike insists on digging all this
up again.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Michael Riddell, who appears on the show Fairbit, has put
the Adrian All resignation back in the news. Now he
has a sauce he claims close to the action that
in simple term suggests that what really happened was that
all pacts said at a couple of meetings, one of
which was Worth Nikola Willis, the chair of the RB.
Neil Quigley wrote to War with a list of concerns
over that behavior and therefore or quit. The underlying issue
appears to be the fact the government were determined to

(08:12):
cut the Reserve Bank's budget, which ultimately, of course, they
were successful in doing. Why Because, like everything else under
the Labour government, too much money was spent, things blew
out and the Reserve Bank had wandered off into knew
and expensive areas that didn't need to beg in the
main point being essentially what we thought happened did Adrian
Orr has a short vieus, a fairly elevated sense of
entitlement and importance, and didn't like what was unfolding, which

(08:35):
is fine. Didn't have to like it, and if he
disliked it so much he could have walked, which he did.
But here is where this is important. He held a
critical role in all our lives. People in jobs like
that need to be exemplary, exemplary and execution exemplary in person.
He wasn't. He was a failure, which then takes us
back to how he got the job. Grant not only

(08:56):
did Robertson appoint or he reappointed him. Bad people make
bad decisions, and those bad decisions go on to have consequences.
By way of contrast, what do you reckon the pressure
on Jerome Parlors Right now is Powell yelling and packing
as sad as Powell going to quit in a massive
hissy fit and vanish from the face of the earth
without a word. I got a dollar with anyone who
wants it that The answer to that is no. Maybe

(09:19):
your doesn't give a monkeys. Maybe your is that sort
of bloke so inflated and mesmerized by himself he's well
passed any reputational reflection. Maybe grant us too. But the
damage still sits in our bank accounts and rates bills,
an economic funk to this day. The bloke who stuffed
the joint packed us sad stormed out, never to be
heard from again. It is a sad indictment on a

(09:39):
role and influence that should have been handled a great
deal more elegantly and with a mile more professionalism.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Sometimes I feel like Mike's one of those people who
brings up family arguments and family secrets that nobody wants
to talk about at the dinner party or at the
the Christmas dinner. Well, why do you have to mention
that we've all forgotten about that? It's not worry about
it anymore. That's how for human beings deal with trauma

(10:09):
in the past, isn't it the rewrap? Now we're going
to finish up with a bit of a misunderstanding between
Mike Hosking and myself. Well, I mean he knows about
cars and I don't that. I think that's really the
basis for this MG.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean it's not just New Zealand's the world, but MG,
which is I think glewe MG these days? Anyway, if
you look at what MG is now versus what MG
once was. MG once was just Britain all day long.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
And now it's ifs to be every second car I see.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, that's wrong, Glenn, It's completely an utterly one. You
could not be more wrong. They sell no cars in
this country at all. It's been a disaster. I see
heaps of them. You've got to get out of your block.
Stop going around around your block. You live in a
cul de sack. He drives in a cul de sack.
He sees the same cars over and over again. Anyway,
they're set to pivot. What are they going to pivot to?
Hybrid first? Quote unquote hybrid first? Why? Because all they

(11:02):
had in this country, unfortunately, was an EV and no
one wanted to buy the evs. Let me give you
actually doing while you.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Say that, So they're actually pronounced by Is it pronounced
sayak or do you just say saic.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Saikh y? It's sayek?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Is that they're not jealing? Okay, so saik's gone first
half of the year. So for six months of this year,
there were three thousand, six hundred and seventeen fully electric
cars sold in this country. Now you go, is that
a lot? And the answer is no, because Toyota alone
sold four and a half thousand revs. So just one
model of one company sold four and a half thousand
versus the entire EV stock of this country three thousand,

(11:38):
six hundred and seventeen. What was the most popular EV
in this country? The answer to that was the why Sydney.
So it's a question in a model.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'm completely confident that nobody's ever made that joke before.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Okay, six hundred and thirty six. So the most popular
EV over six months in this entire country only sold
six hundred and thirty six cars. I'm looking for your car,
heret glenar mg, I see you.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Just clarify it's not mine. I don't know, No, no, I.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Know it's not yours, but you see them everywhere. Well,
the second most popular was Polestar at three eighty three,
the by DT O three three hundred, the Model three,
Tesla one eighty, the Dolphin one fifty four. Number six
is the c Lion seven which is a B y
D seven is the EV five, the key of one
two three eight is the EV three, the key of

(12:27):
one O three. There's not even the top ten gLing.
We're down to number ten, which is the BMW. They're
buying more BMW's than they are MG's.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, I wasn't necessarily talking about just the evmgs. Oh,
I see what because there are hybrid ones and there,
and there are petrel ones as well.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
You get your caroline limiting are they you? Ah?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I looked, I looked at the MG when I was
buying my last car.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Did you did you look at it? Four?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Not very long because I did the math on the
So I was in the in the market for a hybrid. Yes,
and their hybrids were less economical than many other full petrol.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Were well done exactly. And see, you're a bright you're
a sharp customer. And just because you say the word
hybrid doesn't mean it means anything, doesn't mean the thing.
All you have to do is stick a tiny little
battery in a car that does next to nothing. You
go and people go, oh, hybrid and was having a
lot of money until you do the math and it doesn't.
But anyway, if anyone else sees an MG because there everywhere,
apparently let us know.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So as I said, I didn't realize when he brought
up the subject of MG that he was only going
to be talking about evs, because when I was looking
for my hybrid, I eventually bought a Ford Perma. I
looked at the MGS and you got you certainly got
a lot of car for your money, thought, man, that's

(13:45):
a cheap car brand new. Could have got a very
cheap car brand new. And then I looked at the
economy rating and realized that there would immediately start costing
me mane because it was quite expensive to run. But
and then somebody presumably from MG or from their PR
agency texted or emailed and to point out that, in fact,

(14:08):
they have sold a lot of cars. Like I say,
they are everywhere. It's not just ev mds. Too many letters,
too many numbers. Today I'm tired. I'm going to go
away and have a lie dout and I'll come back tomorrow.

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