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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, Idea, and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday, All
the best that's from the microsting Reckorst starring Heather on
Newsbalk said, The Inner Silly a package I engeen and
today we try to make students pay back there unpaid
loans and yeah, the weirdness around that. Speaking of weird,
thejinder Dune movie. It seems like Heather's watched it, so
(00:49):
we don't have to. And then we're pretty much going
to wrap things up from working from home. Looks like
it's dead. But before any of that, the Rima might
be dead or might not. But yeah, something has to
change because it's too hard to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Cost your mind. Back a couple of weeks to what
Roger Gray, the boss of Auckland Port, said, New Zealand
is a country that says no so often that Miami
Cruz bosses he spoke to had taken to calling us
no Zealand. Now. Yesterday the government unveiled its plan for
how we stop that, how we stop saying no to everything.
It's a rewrite of the RM because the RMA is
part of the problem which has turned no into an
(01:24):
art form in this country. No to your deck, no
to that road, No to you putting a door on
the side of your house rather than at the front
of the house. We are a country the size of
Japan geographically, yet we have twelve hundred planning zones, each
with its own unique, bespoke set of rules, while Japan
has thirteen zones. So Chris Bishop's proposal is to take
that twelve hundred, drop it down to seventeen, still more
(01:46):
than Japan, but it's about a seven thousand percent reduction,
So you know you'll take that so prolific and ridiculous.
Of the stories that we can tell each one of
us about our encounters with the RMA, that I think
that you would struggle to find anyone who opposes changed.
The trouble has always been agreeing to what that change
looks like, and that is no different this time around.
This reform RMA is welcome, it's overdue, it's it is
(02:09):
almost certainly going to help the country grow. But mark
my words, it will create all kinds of political problems
because look at the case of Auckland and Wellington, both
cities need to build more houses inside the city centers
right densify. But the minute the rules change to make
that a reality, the nimbi start complaining. And that is
exactly what's going to happen with the RMA, because sure,
(02:29):
your property rights are being strengthened so that you can
do whatever you want on your property, but the same
goes for your neighbor, which means that if he wants
to build that big whatever that you're going to have
to look at, you might not be able to say
no to that anymore. None of us want to lose
our views. None of us want to have a road
running it right next to us. None of us want
the infrastructure development to kill the precious indigenous snail. But
all of those things might happen now more easily because
(02:52):
we're all losing some of our ability to say no. Now.
I think that is a good thing. There has been
too much no, clearly no zealand, but saying yes, we'll
take some getting used to.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah. So having to cater for the worst case scenario
has cost people a lot of bureaucratic brief So we
wrapped that and saying that should people just be allowed to,
I don't know, build a pool wherever they want.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So this is what happened to me with the RM. Right.
So I was telling you yesterday I had to put
a pool in. Well I didn't have to put a pool,
and I chose to put a pool in. So you know,
your sympathy for me is going to be limited. I
suppose if in putting in the pool, if you do
it in a certain way, you're just going to trigger
some like standard consenting issues. Right. That's fine, you go
through the usual consents, but if you do certain other things,
(03:40):
all of a sudden, you'll find yourself, against your better
judgment and all of your hopes and dreams, triggering an
RMA requirement. We got really close to that. So when
we got to that stage, and we were trying so
hard to design the thing so we didn't have to
go through the RM. When we got to that, we
thought we had to go through the RM. So we
called up the pool people and I was like, bloody hell,
what do I do? And they said, oh, here we go.
(04:02):
This is the name of the RMA consultants that we use.
And I was like, really, So I called the RMA
consult and I said to them, what is it going
to charge me to use you? And they said five
thousand dollars and I said, but hang on to just
explain something to me. Aren't you just literally going to
go with my plans to the neighbors and say to
the neighbors, is this school? And they were like, yes,
that's what we're going to do. But some people don't
(04:23):
like talking to their neighbors. And I thought, I'll be
doing that, thank you very much. But that goes to
show just how lucrative this is and how complicated people
will pay five thousand dollars just to have somebody sought
out the RMA for them. Anyway, we didn't get to
that point, thank god.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So yeah, we're going to be careful we don't go
too far there out of the way and just end
up with more I don't know, like high rise apartment
buildings in the middle of Aria for example. That can
happen sometimes when the regulations are completely torn away. Right,
So this has been going on for a while, the
whole you know, bailing up students as they try and
(05:01):
re enter the country because they haven't paid back their
student loans. And now some people are worried that that
mean name, this means they might not come back at all.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The Green Party. So the Green parties piped up about
people who have student loans. They've done a survey. They
reckon there are all these people out there who haven't
paid their student loans and can't come home for Christmas.
In a fortnight's time survey of four hundred New Zealanders
living and working overseas, they say seventy eight percent said
they're making no progress paying off their loan from overseas.
(05:31):
Eighty two percent said they're worried or extremely worried about
their loan an unknown or unspecified number the Greens say
are not coming home this Christmas because they're worried about
what's going to happen at the border if they haven't
paid their loans. Now, the Greens don't like that, So
the Greens say, what we need to do as an
urgent cross party inquiry into the student loan repayment scheme
because the system isn't working, because it isn't fair. Now,
(05:54):
they want that done urgently. But I'll tell you what
we could also do urgently, is we could just pay
back the money that those people owe. The rest of us,
because yeah, they've borrowed tax payer money, So that seems
like that could be done with reasonable urgency and then
you could come home for Christmas. And I would hazard
a guess. Can I just say that if we did
a survey of I don't know, four hundred New Zealanders
who are still living in New Zealand and paying off
their student loans and working hard and paying taxes here,
(06:16):
I would estimate that pretty much all of them will
not feel sorry for those ones who are overseas and
not able to come home for Christmas because they didn't
pay their loans. And also, do I need to point
out to the Greens that people who can't pay their
loans because they haven't got the money probably can't come
home for Christmas because they haven't got their money.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So it's just saying, do you think that people who
complain about this too much are basically admitting that they
have unpaid debt that they don't want to pay back.
You know, the more you protest, the more that well,
perhaps we should be looking at you. Just be a
little bit careful about that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If I was them, rewrap.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right time to go to the movies, And by that
I mean sell on your couch and put in your
pen so you pay the subscription.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I have got a public service announcement for you, which
is that if you've been dying to watch the Descenda
ar Doing movie, I'm not lie to you. I actually
have like I'm fully into this rage watching. So if
you want to watch it, it is now available. This
is the Prime Minister movie. It's now available for streaming
on Apple TV, so you can I'm just doing all
their hard work for them. I think it's like eight
(07:23):
dollars and you can you can rent it for thirty days,
but you've got to watch it in two days and
it's fifteen bucks and then you've got it forever. I
went for the fifteen bucks because I was I did
not know how many times I would want to watch
it again, you know, like if I just needed to
get a little bit of a bit of energy out,
I might just sit down and watch it. I started yesterday,
got fifteen minutes in immediately, And this is the second
part of my public service announcement to you be prepared
(07:46):
to get a little cross. So immediately I reckon. I
was the first shot, and I was like R because
immediately I was struck by how much time just Sinda
has actually put into this movie, because if you've worked
in TV, then you know even the most basic shots
for something like this take a lot of time, right,
They take time and redoing. So this is one shot
(08:08):
I think like the maybe the third or fourth shot
in the film whatever, second setting, and she walks. It's
a darkened room and it's kind of got a light
lighting it from one end. And she walks and opens
the door, walks and comes and gets her bag, puts
it on, her bag, goes out again, and it looks
like it'll look to the people who don't understand that
though she just walked into a room not a big deal,
(08:29):
that shot will have taken such a long time for
them to get right, because that'd have made her sit
outside and wait, and then they would have set the
camera up just in the right place and they've got
the lighting all right. Then she would have come in
the door. Oh no, she put her bag on in
the rock now just to put your bag of it
there and come in again like that would have taken
forever to do. And it just made me think, geezu,
you have put so much time into this film. You
(08:49):
and Clark have handed over so much personal content, and
even just knowing that you wanted to film this personal
content from the get go is like quite a deliberate
thing to do. Anyway, I find that really interesting because
Justinda has famously obviously played up not enjoying her celebrity
status and public attention. It's just an observation that for
some one who doesn't like being in the limelight and
(09:10):
who never really wants to be a leader and a
prime minister, she puts a lot of effort into getting
more attention. Anyway, I am going to continue to watch
it and look, depending on how I feel about it,
and depending on how much I feel you can take
on any particular day, I might keep you abreast of
how the thing goes. But alternatively you can just go
and watch it. Telegraph two stars shameless act of self promotion.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They say, what's the part of the movie. Is it like,
you know, the White House has fallen? Is it a movie?
Or London has fallen? One of those you know, Air
Force one, one of those you know, the leader of
the country becomes an action hero kind kind of movies.
Is No, No, I don't think I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Ben so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So that's an example of hither working from home there,
and ironically she seems to be against it a bit
like the husk always is.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
If you're working from home, you probably have realized this already.
But if you haven't realized this already, this should be
away kept call. Looks like working from home is coming
to quite the abrupt end, and it's being led by Auckland.
This is what Precinct Properties reckons. It's one of the
country's biggest listed landlords property landlords, and it's been having
a look at the work of behavior and its network
(10:23):
of office blocks around Commercial Bay and Auckland's downtown. Reckons.
The Aucklanders are coming back into the office. Most are
in now four days a week now. That is compared
to the national average of just slightly more than three
days a week. It's like three point three, and even
three point three is a number that's gone up recently,
so you know, we're seeing the trend head in that direction.
(10:45):
They reckon. They noticed it in the last calendar year,
but really in the last six months they've noticed people
coming back into the office, and they say working from
home is no longer a thing because employers have recognized
that people are much more productive in the office. Now.
You will note if you listen to what's going on
in Wellington that the union there, particularly Fleur at the PSA,
is fighting this hard because Fleur wants everybody to have
(11:07):
the evilage like this. You may an argument, she may
have an argument that people were promising, but she wants
people to have the ability to work from home. It's
coming to an end. And do you know what's putting
it to an end tough times Because when tough times cool,
you do the thing that's going to keep your job
and you go back in right yep.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So literally spotted sunbathing yesterday at her house. Heither from
somebody I know. Don't know if she was watching a
movie while she was somebathing, or perhaps she'd went out
for a sunbathe once she'd tried to watch fifteen minutes
of a movie. Who knows, who cares. That's what we've
got today. We'll be back with more crazy stuff tomorrow.
(11:45):
You won't believe what we've got to borrow, or you will.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
We haven't done it yet, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
See either. For more from News Talk sat B, listen
live on air or online and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iart Radio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, Idea, and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday, All
the best that's from the microsting Reckorst starring Heather on
Newsbalk said, The Inner Silly a package I engeen and
today we try to make students pay back there unpaid
loans and yeah, the weirdness around that. Speaking of weird,
thejinder Dune movie. It seems like Heather's watched it, so
(00:49):
we don't have to. And then we're pretty much going
to wrap things up from working from home. Looks like
it's dead. But before any of that, the Rima might
be dead or might not. But yeah, something has to
change because it's too hard to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Cost your mind. Back a couple of weeks to what
Roger Gray, the boss of Auckland Port, said, New Zealand
is a country that says no so often that Miami
Cruz bosses he spoke to had taken to calling us
no Zealand. Now. Yesterday the government unveiled its plan for
how we stop that, how we stop saying no to everything.
It's a rewrite of the RM because the RMA is
part of the problem which has turned no into an
(01:24):
art form in this country. No to your deck, no
to that road, No to you putting a door on
the side of your house rather than at the front
of the house. We are a country the size of
Japan geographically, yet we have twelve hundred planning zones, each
with its own unique, bespoke set of rules, while Japan
has thirteen zones. So Chris Bishop's proposal is to take
that twelve hundred, drop it down to seventeen, still more
(01:46):
than Japan, but it's about a seven thousand percent reduction,
So you know you'll take that so prolific and ridiculous.
Of the stories that we can tell each one of
us about our encounters with the RMA, that I think
that you would struggle to find anyone who opposes changed.
The trouble has always been agreeing to what that change
looks like, and that is no different this time around.
This reform RMA is welcome, it's overdue, it's it is
(02:09):
almost certainly going to help the country grow. But mark
my words, it will create all kinds of political problems
because look at the case of Auckland and Wellington, both
cities need to build more houses inside the city centers
right densify. But the minute the rules change to make
that a reality, the nimbi start complaining. And that is
exactly what's going to happen with the RMA, because sure,
(02:29):
your property rights are being strengthened so that you can
do whatever you want on your property, but the same
goes for your neighbor, which means that if he wants
to build that big whatever that you're going to have
to look at, you might not be able to say
no to that anymore. None of us want to lose
our views. None of us want to have a road
running it right next to us. None of us want
the infrastructure development to kill the precious indigenous snail. But
all of those things might happen now more easily because
(02:52):
we're all losing some of our ability to say no. Now.
I think that is a good thing. There has been
too much no, clearly no zealand, but saying yes, we'll
take some getting used to.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah. So having to cater for the worst case scenario
has cost people a lot of bureaucratic brief So we
wrapped that and saying that should people just be allowed to,
I don't know, build a pool wherever they want.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So this is what happened to me with the RM. Right.
So I was telling you yesterday I had to put
a pool in. Well I didn't have to put a pool,
and I chose to put a pool in. So you know,
your sympathy for me is going to be limited. I
suppose if in putting in the pool, if you do
it in a certain way, you're just going to trigger
some like standard consenting issues. Right. That's fine, you go
through the usual consents, but if you do certain other things,
(03:40):
all of a sudden, you'll find yourself, against your better
judgment and all of your hopes and dreams, triggering an
RMA requirement. We got really close to that. So when
we got to that stage, and we were trying so
hard to design the thing so we didn't have to
go through the RM. When we got to that, we
thought we had to go through the RM. So we
called up the pool people and I was like, bloody hell,
what do I do? And they said, oh, here we go.
(04:02):
This is the name of the RMA consultants that we use.
And I was like, really, So I called the RMA
consult and I said to them, what is it going
to charge me to use you? And they said five
thousand dollars and I said, but hang on to just
explain something to me. Aren't you just literally going to
go with my plans to the neighbors and say to
the neighbors, is this school? And they were like, yes,
that's what we're going to do. But some people don't
(04:23):
like talking to their neighbors. And I thought, I'll be
doing that, thank you very much. But that goes to
show just how lucrative this is and how complicated people
will pay five thousand dollars just to have somebody sought
out the RMA for them. Anyway, we didn't get to
that point, thank god.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So yeah, we're going to be careful we don't go
too far there out of the way and just end
up with more I don't know, like high rise apartment
buildings in the middle of Aria for example. That can
happen sometimes when the regulations are completely torn away. Right,
So this has been going on for a while, the
whole you know, bailing up students as they try and
(05:01):
re enter the country because they haven't paid back their
student loans. And now some people are worried that that
mean name, this means they might not come back at all.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The Green Party. So the Green parties piped up about
people who have student loans. They've done a survey. They
reckon there are all these people out there who haven't
paid their student loans and can't come home for Christmas.
In a fortnight's time survey of four hundred New Zealanders
living and working overseas, they say seventy eight percent said
they're making no progress paying off their loan from overseas.
(05:31):
Eighty two percent said they're worried or extremely worried about
their loan an unknown or unspecified number the Greens say
are not coming home this Christmas because they're worried about
what's going to happen at the border if they haven't
paid their loans. Now, the Greens don't like that, So
the Greens say, what we need to do as an
urgent cross party inquiry into the student loan repayment scheme
because the system isn't working, because it isn't fair. Now,
(05:54):
they want that done urgently. But I'll tell you what
we could also do urgently, is we could just pay
back the money that those people owe. The rest of us,
because yeah, they've borrowed tax payer money, So that seems
like that could be done with reasonable urgency and then
you could come home for Christmas. And I would hazard
a guess. Can I just say that if we did
a survey of I don't know, four hundred New Zealanders
who are still living in New Zealand and paying off
their student loans and working hard and paying taxes here,
(06:16):
I would estimate that pretty much all of them will
not feel sorry for those ones who are overseas and
not able to come home for Christmas because they didn't
pay their loans. And also, do I need to point
out to the Greens that people who can't pay their
loans because they haven't got the money probably can't come
home for Christmas because they haven't got their money.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So it's just saying, do you think that people who
complain about this too much are basically admitting that they
have unpaid debt that they don't want to pay back.
You know, the more you protest, the more that well,
perhaps we should be looking at you. Just be a
little bit careful about that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If I was them, rewrap.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right time to go to the movies, And by that
I mean sell on your couch and put in your
pen so you pay the subscription.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I have got a public service announcement for you, which
is that if you've been dying to watch the Descenda
ar Doing movie, I'm not lie to you. I actually
have like I'm fully into this rage watching. So if
you want to watch it, it is now available. This
is the Prime Minister movie. It's now available for streaming
on Apple TV, so you can I'm just doing all
their hard work for them. I think it's like eight
(07:23):
dollars and you can you can rent it for thirty days,
but you've got to watch it in two days and
it's fifteen bucks and then you've got it forever. I
went for the fifteen bucks because I was I did
not know how many times I would want to watch
it again, you know, like if I just needed to
get a little bit of a bit of energy out,
I might just sit down and watch it. I started yesterday,
got fifteen minutes in immediately, And this is the second
part of my public service announcement to you be prepared
(07:46):
to get a little cross. So immediately I reckon. I
was the first shot, and I was like R because
immediately I was struck by how much time just Sinda
has actually put into this movie, because if you've worked
in TV, then you know even the most basic shots
for something like this take a lot of time, right,
They take time and redoing. So this is one shot
(08:08):
I think like the maybe the third or fourth shot
in the film whatever, second setting, and she walks. It's
a darkened room and it's kind of got a light
lighting it from one end. And she walks and opens
the door, walks and comes and gets her bag, puts
it on, her bag, goes out again, and it looks
like it'll look to the people who don't understand that
though she just walked into a room not a big deal,
(08:29):
that shot will have taken such a long time for
them to get right, because that'd have made her sit
outside and wait, and then they would have set the
camera up just in the right place and they've got
the lighting all right. Then she would have come in
the door. Oh no, she put her bag on in
the rock now just to put your bag of it
there and come in again like that would have taken
forever to do. And it just made me think, geezu,
you have put so much time into this film. You
(08:49):
and Clark have handed over so much personal content, and
even just knowing that you wanted to film this personal
content from the get go is like quite a deliberate
thing to do. Anyway, I find that really interesting because
Justinda has famously obviously played up not enjoying her celebrity
status and public attention. It's just an observation that for
some one who doesn't like being in the limelight and
(09:10):
who never really wants to be a leader and a
prime minister, she puts a lot of effort into getting
more attention. Anyway, I am going to continue to watch
it and look, depending on how I feel about it,
and depending on how much I feel you can take
on any particular day, I might keep you abreast of
how the thing goes. But alternatively you can just go
and watch it. Telegraph two stars shameless act of self promotion.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They say, what's the part of the movie. Is it like,
you know, the White House has fallen? Is it a movie?
Or London has fallen? One of those you know, Air
Force one, one of those you know, the leader of
the country becomes an action hero kind kind of movies.
Is No, No, I don't think I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Ben so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So that's an example of hither working from home there,
and ironically she seems to be against it a bit
like the husk always is.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
If you're working from home, you probably have realized this already.
But if you haven't realized this already, this should be
away kept call. Looks like working from home is coming
to quite the abrupt end, and it's being led by Auckland.
This is what Precinct Properties reckons. It's one of the
country's biggest listed landlords property landlords, and it's been having
a look at the work of behavior and its network
(10:23):
of office blocks around Commercial Bay and Auckland's downtown. Reckons.
The Aucklanders are coming back into the office. Most are
in now four days a week now. That is compared
to the national average of just slightly more than three
days a week. It's like three point three, and even
three point three is a number that's gone up recently,
so you know, we're seeing the trend head in that direction.
(10:45):
They reckon. They noticed it in the last calendar year,
but really in the last six months they've noticed people
coming back into the office, and they say working from
home is no longer a thing because employers have recognized
that people are much more productive in the office. Now.
You will note if you listen to what's going on
in Wellington that the union there, particularly Fleur at the PSA,
is fighting this hard because Fleur wants everybody to have
(11:07):
the evilage like this. You may an argument, she may
have an argument that people were promising, but she wants
people to have the ability to work from home. It's
coming to an end. And do you know what's putting
it to an end tough times Because when tough times cool,
you do the thing that's going to keep your job
and you go back in right yep.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So literally spotted sunbathing yesterday at her house. Heither from
somebody I know. Don't know if she was watching a
movie while she was somebathing, or perhaps she'd went out
for a sunbathe once she'd tried to watch fifteen minutes
of a movie. Who knows, who cares. That's what we've
got today. We'll be back with more crazy stuff tomorrow.
(11:45):
You won't believe what we've got to borrow, or you will.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
We haven't done it yet, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
See either. For more from News Talk sat B, listen
live on air or online and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iart Radio
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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