October 14, 2024 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Last Chance for Polls/This Sounds Like a Race Thing/Councils Aren't Supposed to Be Sheltered Workshops/Bit of an Anti-Climax
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
The rewrap there and.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday. All the best, but
it's from the Mic Hosking Breakfast on Newstalk sid B
in a sillier package, I am being heartened today? Is
our justice policy race based? And if it is, what
can we do about it? Is Wellington in so much
trouble now that the government actually is going to have
(00:47):
to stand in and we will wrap the Nobel prizes
because we started at some we finished it. But before
any of that, Yes, the poll out honeymoon definitely over
one year end.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now we'll get to the main part of the TV
one poll shortly, but by way of a teaser, they
let the world have a couple of pre bulletin numbers
and sadly in those numbers is everything that's wrong with polling?
Can I say before I forget that, we should be
grateful to TV and ZAID for still polling it all.
Polling is expensive and given the state of the TV
channel at the moment, are the amount of money they're
looking to save the number of people they are about
to lay off, not to mention the number of people
(01:19):
they've already laid off might lead you to believe that
polling money might have been shelld especially outside election year.
But good on them for continuing to give us some
sort of insight or is it? Forty percent think we
are worse off than we were before election? Date that alone,
we'll give you a headline, and as it turned out,
it did. But what does it actually mean? Twenty six
percent say it's no different. So TV and Z then
(01:42):
added those two numbers together to give us their headline.
Two thirds of us think things are no better than
they were, the inference being, of course, we elected the
wrong people to run the country. Thirty percent think things
are better. But how to read a poll and what
that pole suggests are complex, if not completely pointless things.
Because one, I'm in the forty percent the group that
think things are worse? Why because they are post the election,
(02:06):
We've had the unveiling of the disaster the previous government
left us economically, the fiscal clips as the new government
called them, economic bombs. They are real, they've been revealed. Therefore,
we are indisputably worse off. It's a statement of economic fact.
It's not a reflection on this government. It's a reflection
on the last government. But Poles don't do that level
of nuance. But I'm also in the thirty percent who
(02:28):
think things are better off. Why because you can see
the green shets, you can see the cash rate cuts,
you can see the stimulation of the housing market. You
can see the bottom or the end of the slump
or possibly the end of the recessions. Therefore there is light,
Therefore there is hope. Therefore I am in the thirty percent.
So forty or thirty, which is it? And if it's both,
what's that tell us? Well? One, the key is often
(02:49):
in the question and the quality of it. And two
it's the reading and interpretation, which means three you take
it all with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
At the risk of standing lock of breaking record. I
thought that with the previous two American elections, the UK
election rexerts all these things. I thought we decided that
role as we're completely meaningless and there was no need
to take any notice of them, and we seem to
be more obsessed with them than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Let it go. It's the rewrap, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So when we had an election last time, the National party.
We're going to put an end to any kind of
perceived race based policies in the public service. Since be
taken a little while to take hold, doesn't it. I
mean they've had a year.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
From our You wonder why we are where we are.
File note from the Solicitor General to the Police Prosecution
Service about the new system they will have in place
as of the start next year. Now we have the
SG starts updated the prosecution guidelines. The goals remain to
ensure I'm quoting them here, New Zealand continues to benefit
(03:55):
from prosecution processes which are underscored by the core values
of transparency, equality and fair application of the law to
all participants, and reflect the legitimate public interest in prosecuting
criminal offending. Well, so far, so good, right, But then
but then they get to this bit. The guidelines ask
prosecutors to quote unquote think carefully about particular decisions were
(04:17):
a person as Maori or a member of any other
group disproportionately impact by the criminal justice system. This does
not promote different treatment based on ethnicity or membership of
a particular group. It instead alerts prosecutors to situations and
factors that may deliver inequitable outcomes for some people in
those groups. Quick question, what do you reckon that means?
(04:40):
And does it mean what you think it means? Without
the meaning being so explicit, you go, what the hell?
I thought we were getting rid of all of this nonsense?
And all this nonsense is the problem the government has
with race based ideology. They say a lot of one thing,
but are facing a tremendous amount of pushback on it,
as the university's collapse in global rankings as published last
week at least surely in part because of their obsession
(05:02):
with race. We now find the justice system instructed to quote,
think carefully. What is this disproportion they speak of? Well,
obviously when it comes to race mariy are overrepresented and crime.
Ask a simple question why, and the answer surely is
because sadly they commit too much of it. Another simple
question is by thinking carefully as instructed by the Solicitor General,
(05:24):
perhaps going to lead to I don't know, lesser charges,
whether in severity or numbers, and therefore the disproportion has
balanced out a bit. No reduction in crime, just the consequences.
And a final simple question, if the government says we
should not be having policy based on race. How do
they explain this?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Ah, this is like a red rag. To ask the
ball that runs this breakfast show. He's doesn't like this
kind of thing. No, you can tell us hackles a rising.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Rewrap the idea what a hackle is.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But he's got more detail on this story.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
There is more as I have discovered from the Solicitor General.
I quote him again. The project team worked with a
diverse range of views and experiences in developing the new guidelines.
We conducted the review with Enaya Tonu Nai Mari thought leaders.
They played a pivotal role as advocates for consideration of
Maori experiences. Now, who are this Enaia Tonu Nai. Well,
(06:21):
they've been around for a long time, since twenty eighteen,
in fact, so the full six years. They were born
out of Mari resistance to the lack of Mari voice
at the Crown's Criminal Justice Summit. You remember that one,
that was the one with a flash catering with Andrew
Little that was one of his first forays under the
wonderful world of justice. So they asked for a national
Maori Hui to take place at the summit and the
(06:43):
Justice Minister of the time, the fabulous Andrew Little. He said, no,
no worries at all. So they had their meeting of
over two hundred mari with extensive criminal justice experience, including
those with lived experiences, and their mission as a result
of these meetings, these get togethers, so they could go
on to advise the Solicitor General to and I quote
(07:04):
here to recognize the justice system as set l colonial
and to begin decolonizing the in brackets in justice system.
So that's their guiding light, that's their us on debt,
and that's the advice they're giving the Solicitor General, who
is in turn giving the police prosecutors the said advice
(07:25):
in a system that is not supposed to be based
in any way, shape or form on race. How do
we explain that? And who do we ask about this?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Being a thought leader? Have you ever wanted to be
a thought leader? I mean I wouldn't be able to
be a thought leader or any of them, because I've never
had a thought. But I guess that's what these people do.
They just are these these ideas. People yell off and
hear about they're having ideas, and then other people go,
that's a good idea. And so then they had led
the thoughts, I don't know, sounds pretty weird.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
The rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Has anyone on the Wellington Council ever had a thought?
Have any of them ever thought, this isn't going well.
Let's get out while the going is good, because it
sounds like the government might be on their way to help.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Not just the the people of Wellington sick of it.
Three Wellington business associations have got together over this mess
of the Golden Mile. She was on. Tory was on
the radio locally and ZIB yesterday talking about the list
of non negotiables. One of the non negotiables and this
is how democracy works in the Tory world. We have
non negotiables. Heaven forbid the people would have an opinion anyway.
(08:28):
One of the non negotiables is the Golden Mile. So
retail New Zealand, hospitality in New Zealand and the bust
and Coach Association not natural bedfellows. I wouldn't have thought,
especially in view of the disastrous impacts the Thorndon Key
project as having on local businesses. They universally cried out
to the council. We expect more businesses will face closure
(08:50):
or need to move out of the area. My question
really simply just how many businesses need to go under
before some idiot on the council finally wakes up and
realizes that maybe, just maybe what they're doing isn't wanted,
isn't needed, and isn't going to work. And are they
going to realize that before Nikola and Christopher from down
(09:13):
the road coming and go, you guys are out and
we'll get some professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And I mean when you look at it, I know,
like so they stepped in, and Rodney they stepped in
and Taranga and both times there seem to be a
lot of progress that seem to happen when they when
those councilors weren't being councilors and were being run by
experts instead, there might be something in there. I mean,
this isn't a sheltered workshop we're running here, you know,
(09:38):
it's not it's not giving people a chance on the
council time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Is it a rewrap? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't think we've had too many Nobel Prize winners
on any of our councils in New Zealand, certainly not
Nobel Prize winners and Economics.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Got the final of the Nobel's Economics this morning Darren
as Moglu, Simon Johnson, James Robinson for economics wealth inequality
between nations. In fact, smog Blue and Robinson wrote a
book called Why Nations Fail. The Origins of Power, prosperity
and Poverty, helped show why societies were poor. Rule of
law and institutions that exploit the population did not generate
(10:13):
growth or change for the better, demonstrating the importance of
societal institutions for a country's prosperity. Smglow and Johnson are
at MIT Robinson as the director at the University of
Chicago's Person Institute for the Studying Resolution of Global Conflicts?
Were they specialism and the economics of Sub Saharan Africa
and Latin America? So they know their dollars and seats
and they are winners.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that's the most boring one, isn't. It's a shame
they saved it for the last I guess there are
some people who are interested in money who don't find
it quite so boring. That compared to ones like the
chemistry one the other day, where you had no idea
what it was about. Man, it sounded fascinating. The money
it's not quite like that, is it? Oh? Well, I am.
(10:55):
I had to put it in. We've been covering the
no bells every day. I had to put it in.
Don't blame me, blame them. Tell them to do it
around the other way. I'm sure they'll listen. I am
clear at heart. That was the rewrap, and we'll do
it again. I'll try. I have it more exciting than
anything tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Rerap for more from News Talks at b Listen live
on air or online, and keep our shows with you
wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
The rewrap there and.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday. All the best, but
it's from the Mic Hosking Breakfast on Newstalk sid B
in a sillier package, I am being heartened today? Is
our justice policy race based? And if it is, what
can we do about it? Is Wellington in so much
trouble now that the government actually is going to have
(00:47):
to stand in and we will wrap the Nobel prizes
because we started at some we finished it. But before
any of that, Yes, the poll out honeymoon definitely over
one year end.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now we'll get to the main part of the TV
one poll shortly, but by way of a teaser, they
let the world have a couple of pre bulletin numbers
and sadly in those numbers is everything that's wrong with polling?
Can I say before I forget that, we should be
grateful to TV and ZAID for still polling it all.
Polling is expensive and given the state of the TV
channel at the moment, are the amount of money they're
looking to save the number of people they are about
to lay off, not to mention the number of people
(01:19):
they've already laid off might lead you to believe that
polling money might have been shelld especially outside election year.
But good on them for continuing to give us some
sort of insight or is it? Forty percent think we
are worse off than we were before election? Date that alone,
we'll give you a headline, and as it turned out,
it did. But what does it actually mean? Twenty six
percent say it's no different. So TV and Z then
(01:42):
added those two numbers together to give us their headline.
Two thirds of us think things are no better than
they were, the inference being, of course, we elected the
wrong people to run the country. Thirty percent think things
are better. But how to read a poll and what
that pole suggests are complex, if not completely pointless things.
Because one, I'm in the forty percent the group that
think things are worse? Why because they are post the election,
(02:06):
We've had the unveiling of the disaster the previous government
left us economically, the fiscal clips as the new government
called them, economic bombs. They are real, they've been revealed. Therefore,
we are indisputably worse off. It's a statement of economic fact.
It's not a reflection on this government. It's a reflection
on the last government. But Poles don't do that level
of nuance. But I'm also in the thirty percent who
(02:28):
think things are better off. Why because you can see
the green shets, you can see the cash rate cuts,
you can see the stimulation of the housing market. You
can see the bottom or the end of the slump
or possibly the end of the recessions. Therefore there is light,
Therefore there is hope. Therefore I am in the thirty percent.
So forty or thirty, which is it? And if it's both,
what's that tell us? Well? One, the key is often
(02:49):
in the question and the quality of it. And two
it's the reading and interpretation, which means three you take
it all with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
At the risk of standing lock of breaking record. I
thought that with the previous two American elections, the UK
election rexerts all these things. I thought we decided that
role as we're completely meaningless and there was no need
to take any notice of them, and we seem to
be more obsessed with them than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Let it go. It's the rewrap, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So when we had an election last time, the National party.
We're going to put an end to any kind of
perceived race based policies in the public service. Since be
taken a little while to take hold, doesn't it. I
mean they've had a year.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
From our You wonder why we are where we are.
File note from the Solicitor General to the Police Prosecution
Service about the new system they will have in place
as of the start next year. Now we have the
SG starts updated the prosecution guidelines. The goals remain to
ensure I'm quoting them here, New Zealand continues to benefit
(03:55):
from prosecution processes which are underscored by the core values
of transparency, equality and fair application of the law to
all participants, and reflect the legitimate public interest in prosecuting
criminal offending. Well, so far, so good, right, But then
but then they get to this bit. The guidelines ask
prosecutors to quote unquote think carefully about particular decisions were
(04:17):
a person as Maori or a member of any other
group disproportionately impact by the criminal justice system. This does
not promote different treatment based on ethnicity or membership of
a particular group. It instead alerts prosecutors to situations and
factors that may deliver inequitable outcomes for some people in
those groups. Quick question, what do you reckon that means?
(04:40):
And does it mean what you think it means? Without
the meaning being so explicit, you go, what the hell?
I thought we were getting rid of all of this nonsense?
And all this nonsense is the problem the government has
with race based ideology. They say a lot of one thing,
but are facing a tremendous amount of pushback on it,
as the university's collapse in global rankings as published last
week at least surely in part because of their obsession
(05:02):
with race. We now find the justice system instructed to quote,
think carefully. What is this disproportion they speak of? Well,
obviously when it comes to race mariy are overrepresented and crime.
Ask a simple question why, and the answer surely is
because sadly they commit too much of it. Another simple
question is by thinking carefully as instructed by the Solicitor General,
(05:24):
perhaps going to lead to I don't know, lesser charges,
whether in severity or numbers, and therefore the disproportion has
balanced out a bit. No reduction in crime, just the consequences.
And a final simple question, if the government says we
should not be having policy based on race. How do
they explain this?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Ah, this is like a red rag. To ask the
ball that runs this breakfast show. He's doesn't like this
kind of thing. No, you can tell us hackles a rising.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Rewrap the idea what a hackle is.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But he's got more detail on this story.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
There is more as I have discovered from the Solicitor General.
I quote him again. The project team worked with a
diverse range of views and experiences in developing the new guidelines.
We conducted the review with Enaya Tonu Nai Mari thought leaders.
They played a pivotal role as advocates for consideration of
Maori experiences. Now, who are this Enaia Tonu Nai. Well,
(06:21):
they've been around for a long time, since twenty eighteen,
in fact, so the full six years. They were born
out of Mari resistance to the lack of Mari voice
at the Crown's Criminal Justice Summit. You remember that one,
that was the one with a flash catering with Andrew
Little that was one of his first forays under the
wonderful world of justice. So they asked for a national
Maori Hui to take place at the summit and the
(06:43):
Justice Minister of the time, the fabulous Andrew Little. He said, no,
no worries at all. So they had their meeting of
over two hundred mari with extensive criminal justice experience, including
those with lived experiences, and their mission as a result
of these meetings, these get togethers, so they could go
on to advise the Solicitor General to and I quote
(07:04):
here to recognize the justice system as set l colonial
and to begin decolonizing the in brackets in justice system.
So that's their guiding light, that's their us on debt,
and that's the advice they're giving the Solicitor General, who
is in turn giving the police prosecutors the said advice
(07:25):
in a system that is not supposed to be based
in any way, shape or form on race. How do
we explain that? And who do we ask about this?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Being a thought leader? Have you ever wanted to be
a thought leader? I mean I wouldn't be able to
be a thought leader or any of them, because I've never
had a thought. But I guess that's what these people do.
They just are these these ideas. People yell off and
hear about they're having ideas, and then other people go,
that's a good idea. And so then they had led
the thoughts, I don't know, sounds pretty weird.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
The rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Has anyone on the Wellington Council ever had a thought?
Have any of them ever thought, this isn't going well.
Let's get out while the going is good, because it
sounds like the government might be on their way to help.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Not just the the people of Wellington sick of it.
Three Wellington business associations have got together over this mess
of the Golden Mile. She was on. Tory was on
the radio locally and ZIB yesterday talking about the list
of non negotiables. One of the non negotiables and this
is how democracy works in the Tory world. We have
non negotiables. Heaven forbid the people would have an opinion anyway.
(08:28):
One of the non negotiables is the Golden Mile. So
retail New Zealand, hospitality in New Zealand and the bust
and Coach Association not natural bedfellows. I wouldn't have thought,
especially in view of the disastrous impacts the Thorndon Key
project as having on local businesses. They universally cried out
to the council. We expect more businesses will face closure
(08:50):
or need to move out of the area. My question
really simply just how many businesses need to go under
before some idiot on the council finally wakes up and
realizes that maybe, just maybe what they're doing isn't wanted,
isn't needed, and isn't going to work. And are they
going to realize that before Nikola and Christopher from down
(09:13):
the road coming and go, you guys are out and
we'll get some professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And I mean when you look at it, I know,
like so they stepped in, and Rodney they stepped in
and Taranga and both times there seem to be a
lot of progress that seem to happen when they when
those councilors weren't being councilors and were being run by
experts instead, there might be something in there. I mean,
this isn't a sheltered workshop we're running here, you know,
(09:38):
it's not it's not giving people a chance on the
council time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Is it a rewrap? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't think we've had too many Nobel Prize winners
on any of our councils in New Zealand, certainly not
Nobel Prize winners and Economics.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Got the final of the Nobel's Economics this morning Darren
as Moglu, Simon Johnson, James Robinson for economics wealth inequality
between nations. In fact, smog Blue and Robinson wrote a
book called Why Nations Fail. The Origins of Power, prosperity
and Poverty, helped show why societies were poor. Rule of
law and institutions that exploit the population did not generate
(10:13):
growth or change for the better, demonstrating the importance of
societal institutions for a country's prosperity. Smglow and Johnson are
at MIT Robinson as the director at the University of
Chicago's Person Institute for the Studying Resolution of Global Conflicts?
Were they specialism and the economics of Sub Saharan Africa
and Latin America? So they know their dollars and seats
and they are winners.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that's the most boring one, isn't. It's a shame
they saved it for the last I guess there are
some people who are interested in money who don't find
it quite so boring. That compared to ones like the
chemistry one the other day, where you had no idea
what it was about. Man, it sounded fascinating. The money
it's not quite like that, is it? Oh? Well, I am.
(10:55):
I had to put it in. We've been covering the
no bells every day. I had to put it in.
Don't blame me, blame them. Tell them to do it
around the other way. I'm sure they'll listen. I am
clear at heart. That was the rewrap, and we'll do
it again. I'll try. I have it more exciting than
anything tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
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