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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday, all the
best bits from the Mike Hosting Breakfast starring at Heatherdoper,
Cllen on News Talk cp Inncily at Package Iron Glen
at Today.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Celebrity Deathmatch is off, so it's a it's not match.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The fallout from the Pond Dau shooting has got many
people asking just how biases the media coverage being of
the whole Palestine versus Israel situation And remember the Treaty
Principal's Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, no, nobody does.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But before any of that, So the surplus.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Is also not happening yet.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh surprise, Nichola Willis has pushed out superlus by another year,
which now makes it three years and two years. As in,
she has delayed surplus by three years in just the
space of the two years that she's been at the
Finance Minister's desk. Had she kept her pledge which is
the one that she made up about tidying up this
country's box when she was asking for our votes in
twenty twenty three, we would be seeing surplus next year.
(01:26):
Now it's twenty nine at the earliest. Now, getting our
books back in order is not Beltway. It is important
if we don't want our kids to pack up and
leave for Ossie when they're old enough to. And Nichola
can blame everyone from Treasury to Trump if she wants,
But she also has not done enough to get us
back to surplus. There is plenty of wasteful spending that
could be cut if she wanted to. She has, for
(01:47):
some reason defended and kept Jusinder's wasteful policy of paying
for one year free for university students. It's been repeatedly
criticized as a flop because it doesn't actually make anyone
go to university. If she was brave enough to cut that,
it would save us in the vicinity of a billion
dollars over four years. She has given welfare to households
are more than two hundred thousand dollars a year by
giving them money for childcare. People on that kind of
(02:09):
coin do not need benefits. Cutting that would save a
billion dollars in a little over five years. She still
hasn't cut or income tested the winter energy payment, which
is going to people who are still in the workforce,
and they're just setting it aside for nice trips to Fiji.
Cutting that would save a billion dollars in less than
two years. Trimming it would save a little bit less,
but it would at least save something. She has one
(02:32):
thousand public servants who have been cut when Grant and
Jacinda actually added fourteen thousand. So still a lot there be.
In no doubt. Yep, money is tight, Treasury is not helping.
Trump's not helping. But there is still a lot of
waste that could be cut if Nikola Willis was brave enough.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
As I always say, in these situations, have you looked
under the couch pushions, maybe down the side pocket.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Of the card or could the ziplas be?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Okay, so we wrapped. So anyway, while we're on.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Nikola Willis centric topics, the Ruth Richardson Nicola Willis thing
that's not happening now.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's a bit of an anti climax, Isn't.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
It better than I expect the Ruth Richardson debate will be. Lindsey.
That is absolutely one hundred percent better than the debate
is going to be because the debate is now not
going to happen. Nichola Willis has won this one. I
mean the wind goes to Nicola on this because Ruth
Richardson has chicken out. She put out a statement yesterday
pulling out of the debate, which I'm sorry to say
(03:39):
makes the Taxpayers Union look utterly ridiculous in this. For
all the time that they took up in the media
calling out Nicoler and challenging her to a debate and
saying that she said anywhere anytime, will be there anywhere anytime,
Well it turns out now they're not going to be
anywhere anytime. They're not doing anything. They are sissies now.
I suspect what they've done as they've realized. Yep, the
(04:01):
debate wasn't going to be great for Nikola, but it
actually probably wasn't going to be great for them either.
And I don't know which is worse. Fronting up to
the debate that you've been harping on about for all
week or pulling out of the debate that you've been
harping on about for all week. I would say the latter.
I would say, Yeah, chicken noise for them, win for Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It was interesting that here there was really into this
whole idea right from the outset and off here in
the control rooms here, and the producer was saying, well,
let's just hang on.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
How does this benefit us?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Exactly getting him behind this, and then they went on
to have another argument off here this morning about who
looks silliest out of this, whether it's Ruth Richardson, the
Taxpayers Union or ass Hey.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The Perhaps Ruth Richardson pulled out of that debate because
she realizes how damaging it could be to the current government.
And I doubt the Taxpayers Union would like to see
Labor lead government at the next election. Now, this is
a thing Chris Laxon was pulling this one last week,
wasn't he when he was in studio? And then Nichola
did the same thing just before. Now you can't criticize us,
you might get Labor what a load of bs. No,
(05:05):
you won't. That is not the most likely out of
having a crack at the National Party. We're not all
of a sudden going to look at Chippy and Babs
Babs Edmonds and be like that looks like that because
you haven't forgotten that was a crock when it was
in last time. No, the most likely outcome is that
National gets back in with ACT and New Zealand first.
But if National doesn't pull it socks up and start
(05:27):
running these books properly, the votes bleed out of National
into ACT and New Zealand first. You're already seen that
with New Zealand first going up in the polls. ACT
is a little bit more difficult because you know there's
some they've been a little annoying in the last couple
of years. But I think you're more likely to see
a diminished National Party in the current setup than you
are to see a complete switch to Labor. So I
(05:48):
just just remember that when they use that line on you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, so interesting that she's written off ACT so quickly there,
given how popular they have been.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Of course the re wrap we'll have.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
A little bit more on ACT at the end of
the podcast, but before we do a little bit more
on the fallout post the Bondie shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Maybe actually the media carry there's a lot of the responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, I've hardly mentioned Bondai and Bondi is just still ongoing.
As you know, there is so much coming out of
Bondai at the moment. As you'd expect, we're hearing lots
about more of the heroes. There was the couple. You
would have seen this if you were watching the news
last night, the couple who saw the shooters and they
seem to be an elderly couple saw the shooters get
out of the car with the ice I flag draped
(06:30):
over the windscreen, tried to take the guns off them.
Ultimately were unsuccessful. They ended themselves being shot dead. Then
you had if you saw the photograph or the video
of Ahmed al Ahmed trying to disarm one of the shooters,
you will have seen there was another chap who follows him,
runs up behind him and starts throwing bricks alongside him.
He is also something of a hero who ended up
(06:51):
being shot dead by the shooters. And then there is
another one who is a police officer. Police have come
in for some heavy criticism, you know, running away and
which it doesn't appear to be true. But yeah, there's
a police officer who got very close to the bridge,
took some shelter in behind a tree and managed to
take out I think it was the father. There was
also a little bit of a truth torpedo that was
delivered the daughter of the eighty six year old who
(07:13):
was shot and killed at Bondi was invited onto ABC's
breakfast show and she was asked if she had any
messages for the government.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Is this what she wanted? Alban Easy Wong? Will you
listen to us? Will you actually do something? Will you
actually I don't have to stand up and say anything
because we don't believe you anyway. And ABC, I've got
to say, will you cut out the bias reporting mainstream media?
(07:43):
We feel we yeah, will you? Will you cut it out?
Will you actually let us have a voice because we
feel that part of the reason that the Jewish people
have experienced such a massive change in Australia towards us. ABC,
please stop with the bias reporting.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Well, as you can imagine, the interview didn't go on
much longer after she dropped that truth torpedo on them.
I suspect that there will be a little bit of
reflection that is going on in various quarters of legacy
media about how various things have been covered and perhaps
you know, the going hard on one side and completely
ignoring not that there is a binary thing here, but
(08:26):
completely ignoring some of the language that's coming out of
the other side, and just kind of waving that through
because we have as legacy media decided who the goodies
and baddies are here anyway, same same problem with the
BBC if you've been following that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's interesting how many people on newstalk to be accused
the media of giving the radical left to free ride
when it's literally all they talk about on the right
wing media.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh well, the rerap.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Right now, back to the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know the Treaty Principles. Okay, do you remember? You
must remember the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No, now, David Seymour, I don't know that David Seymour
promising to the Treaty Principal's debate like he is at
the moment at next year's election is a good idea
for ACT at least, I don't know how many voters
it's going to win over because I don't know how
many voters will believe that it's going to somehow happen
this time. I mean, what's actually changed, right, It's most
likely going to be the same three parties in government
(09:24):
after the next election, which are the same three parties
that didn't pass the Treaty Principles. Build this term, Chris
Luxen will still most likely be the Prime Minister after
the next election, same prime minister who killed the Treaty
principles build this term. And if David Seymour couldn't get
it over the line when he actually had quite a
lot of leverage in the last lot of coalition negotiations,
why would he be able to get it over the
(09:45):
line a next year set of coalition negotiations when he
will presumably have diminished leverage. I think also part of
the problem here is that voters are over it. I
don't know about you, but I'm starting to get to
that point. I mean, I think some voters are less
angry now that Willy and Andia are not running the
joint They're just going to take the wins they've already got,
bringing back the referenda on Maori wards at council level,
killing off the co governance in water, and I think
(10:07):
that there are some voters who are just disappointed that
for all of the big talk from this government on
the quiet, this stuff is still being waved through by
the very government that David Seymour is part of co
governance stuff in Auckland's White Parkeet he's waved through. Just
the other day we got two seats on Wellington Waters
New governance body just waved through. Now, Seymour's got a
(10:29):
really big job on this if he wants voters to
a care again and b believe him that he's actually
going to make the change unlike last time.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think if there's a party that's bleeding votes to
New Zealand, first, I fear that it is ACT. For
a while there they look like they were giving Labor
a run for being the opposition.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Party in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And now yeah, as the closer it gets to an election,
Winston just keeps rising up.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Oh it's so depressing anyway. I am a glen Hat.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm just about as popular as I usually am, which
is not very But I keep my head down and
hope that people can need to not notice me.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But I hope you do notice me here again tomorrow.
I seen rap.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
For more from News Talks at b Listen live on
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you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday, all the
best bits from the Mike Hosting Breakfast starring at Heatherdoper,
Cllen on News Talk cp Inncily at Package Iron Glen
at Today.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Celebrity Deathmatch is off, so it's a it's not match.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The fallout from the Pond Dau shooting has got many
people asking just how biases the media coverage being of
the whole Palestine versus Israel situation And remember the Treaty
Principal's Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, no, nobody does.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But before any of that, So the surplus.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Is also not happening yet.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh surprise, Nichola Willis has pushed out superlus by another year,
which now makes it three years and two years. As in,
she has delayed surplus by three years in just the
space of the two years that she's been at the
Finance Minister's desk. Had she kept her pledge which is
the one that she made up about tidying up this
country's box when she was asking for our votes in
twenty twenty three, we would be seeing surplus next year.
(01:26):
Now it's twenty nine at the earliest. Now, getting our
books back in order is not Beltway. It is important
if we don't want our kids to pack up and
leave for Ossie when they're old enough to. And Nichola
can blame everyone from Treasury to Trump if she wants,
But she also has not done enough to get us
back to surplus. There is plenty of wasteful spending that
could be cut if she wanted to. She has, for
(01:47):
some reason defended and kept Jusinder's wasteful policy of paying
for one year free for university students. It's been repeatedly
criticized as a flop because it doesn't actually make anyone
go to university. If she was brave enough to cut that,
it would save us in the vicinity of a billion
dollars over four years. She has given welfare to households
are more than two hundred thousand dollars a year by
giving them money for childcare. People on that kind of
(02:09):
coin do not need benefits. Cutting that would save a
billion dollars in a little over five years. She still
hasn't cut or income tested the winter energy payment, which
is going to people who are still in the workforce,
and they're just setting it aside for nice trips to Fiji.
Cutting that would save a billion dollars in less than
two years. Trimming it would save a little bit less,
but it would at least save something. She has one
(02:32):
thousand public servants who have been cut when Grant and
Jacinda actually added fourteen thousand. So still a lot there be.
In no doubt. Yep, money is tight, Treasury is not helping.
Trump's not helping. But there is still a lot of
waste that could be cut if Nikola Willis was brave enough.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
As I always say, in these situations, have you looked
under the couch pushions, maybe down the side pocket.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Of the card or could the ziplas be?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Okay, so we wrapped. So anyway, while we're on.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Nikola Willis centric topics, the Ruth Richardson Nicola Willis thing
that's not happening now.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's a bit of an anti climax, Isn't.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
It better than I expect the Ruth Richardson debate will be. Lindsey.
That is absolutely one hundred percent better than the debate
is going to be because the debate is now not
going to happen. Nichola Willis has won this one. I
mean the wind goes to Nicola on this because Ruth
Richardson has chicken out. She put out a statement yesterday
pulling out of the debate, which I'm sorry to say
(03:39):
makes the Taxpayers Union look utterly ridiculous in this. For
all the time that they took up in the media
calling out Nicoler and challenging her to a debate and
saying that she said anywhere anytime, will be there anywhere anytime,
Well it turns out now they're not going to be
anywhere anytime. They're not doing anything. They are sissies now.
I suspect what they've done as they've realized. Yep, the
(04:01):
debate wasn't going to be great for Nikola, but it
actually probably wasn't going to be great for them either.
And I don't know which is worse. Fronting up to
the debate that you've been harping on about for all
week or pulling out of the debate that you've been
harping on about for all week. I would say the latter.
I would say, Yeah, chicken noise for them, win for Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It was interesting that here there was really into this
whole idea right from the outset and off here in
the control rooms here, and the producer was saying, well,
let's just hang on.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
How does this benefit us?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Exactly getting him behind this, and then they went on
to have another argument off here this morning about who
looks silliest out of this, whether it's Ruth Richardson, the
Taxpayers Union or ass Hey.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The Perhaps Ruth Richardson pulled out of that debate because
she realizes how damaging it could be to the current government.
And I doubt the Taxpayers Union would like to see
Labor lead government at the next election. Now, this is
a thing Chris Laxon was pulling this one last week,
wasn't he when he was in studio? And then Nichola
did the same thing just before. Now you can't criticize us,
you might get Labor what a load of bs. No,
(05:05):
you won't. That is not the most likely out of
having a crack at the National Party. We're not all
of a sudden going to look at Chippy and Babs
Babs Edmonds and be like that looks like that because
you haven't forgotten that was a crock when it was
in last time. No, the most likely outcome is that
National gets back in with ACT and New Zealand first.
But if National doesn't pull it socks up and start
(05:27):
running these books properly, the votes bleed out of National
into ACT and New Zealand first. You're already seen that
with New Zealand first going up in the polls. ACT
is a little bit more difficult because you know there's
some they've been a little annoying in the last couple
of years. But I think you're more likely to see
a diminished National Party in the current setup than you
are to see a complete switch to Labor. So I
(05:48):
just just remember that when they use that line on you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, so interesting that she's written off ACT so quickly there,
given how popular they have been.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Of course the re wrap we'll have.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
A little bit more on ACT at the end of
the podcast, but before we do a little bit more
on the fallout post the Bondie shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Maybe actually the media carry there's a lot of the responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, I've hardly mentioned Bondai and Bondi is just still ongoing.
As you know, there is so much coming out of
Bondai at the moment. As you'd expect, we're hearing lots
about more of the heroes. There was the couple. You
would have seen this if you were watching the news
last night, the couple who saw the shooters and they
seem to be an elderly couple saw the shooters get
out of the car with the ice I flag draped
(06:30):
over the windscreen, tried to take the guns off them.
Ultimately were unsuccessful. They ended themselves being shot dead. Then
you had if you saw the photograph or the video
of Ahmed al Ahmed trying to disarm one of the shooters,
you will have seen there was another chap who follows him,
runs up behind him and starts throwing bricks alongside him.
He is also something of a hero who ended up
(06:51):
being shot dead by the shooters. And then there is
another one who is a police officer. Police have come
in for some heavy criticism, you know, running away and
which it doesn't appear to be true. But yeah, there's
a police officer who got very close to the bridge,
took some shelter in behind a tree and managed to
take out I think it was the father. There was
also a little bit of a truth torpedo that was
delivered the daughter of the eighty six year old who
(07:13):
was shot and killed at Bondi was invited onto ABC's
breakfast show and she was asked if she had any
messages for the government.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Is this what she wanted? Alban Easy Wong? Will you
listen to us? Will you actually do something? Will you
actually I don't have to stand up and say anything
because we don't believe you anyway. And ABC, I've got
to say, will you cut out the bias reporting mainstream media?
(07:43):
We feel we yeah, will you? Will you cut it out?
Will you actually let us have a voice because we
feel that part of the reason that the Jewish people
have experienced such a massive change in Australia towards us. ABC,
please stop with the bias reporting.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Well, as you can imagine, the interview didn't go on
much longer after she dropped that truth torpedo on them.
I suspect that there will be a little bit of
reflection that is going on in various quarters of legacy
media about how various things have been covered and perhaps
you know, the going hard on one side and completely
ignoring not that there is a binary thing here, but
(08:26):
completely ignoring some of the language that's coming out of
the other side, and just kind of waving that through
because we have as legacy media decided who the goodies
and baddies are here anyway, same same problem with the
BBC if you've been following that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's interesting how many people on newstalk to be accused
the media of giving the radical left to free ride
when it's literally all they talk about on the right
wing media.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh well, the rerap.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Right now, back to the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know the Treaty Principles. Okay, do you remember? You
must remember the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No, now, David Seymour, I don't know that David Seymour
promising to the Treaty Principal's debate like he is at
the moment at next year's election is a good idea
for ACT at least, I don't know how many voters
it's going to win over because I don't know how
many voters will believe that it's going to somehow happen
this time. I mean, what's actually changed, right, It's most
likely going to be the same three parties in government
(09:24):
after the next election, which are the same three parties
that didn't pass the Treaty Principles. Build this term, Chris
Luxen will still most likely be the Prime Minister after
the next election, same prime minister who killed the Treaty
principles build this term. And if David Seymour couldn't get
it over the line when he actually had quite a
lot of leverage in the last lot of coalition negotiations,
why would he be able to get it over the
(09:45):
line a next year set of coalition negotiations when he
will presumably have diminished leverage. I think also part of
the problem here is that voters are over it. I
don't know about you, but I'm starting to get to
that point. I mean, I think some voters are less
angry now that Willy and Andia are not running the
joint They're just going to take the wins they've already got,
bringing back the referenda on Maori wards at council level,
killing off the co governance in water, and I think
(10:07):
that there are some voters who are just disappointed that
for all of the big talk from this government on
the quiet, this stuff is still being waved through by
the very government that David Seymour is part of co
governance stuff in Auckland's White Parkeet he's waved through. Just
the other day we got two seats on Wellington Waters
New governance body just waved through. Now, Seymour's got a
(10:29):
really big job on this if he wants voters to
a care again and b believe him that he's actually
going to make the change unlike last time.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think if there's a party that's bleeding votes to
New Zealand, first, I fear that it is ACT. For
a while there they look like they were giving Labor
a run for being the opposition.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Party in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And now yeah, as the closer it gets to an election,
Winston just keeps rising up.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Oh it's so depressing anyway. I am a glen Hat.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm just about as popular as I usually am, which
is not very But I keep my head down and
hope that people can need to not notice me.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But I hope you do notice me here again tomorrow.
I seen rap.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
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