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Rewrap There, Welcome to the Rewrap for Friday. All the best,
but's from the mic asking breakfast on news Talks. He'd
be and a sillier package. Ian glen Hart. Heather hosting
again today, and she'll be talking about people who decide
to buy flood prone homes New Zealand. First, another poll,
another good showing for them. Doesn't mean anything. Trump keeps
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on trumping and rental car Ai what it could mean
for you. But before any of that, gold versus lizards,
it's not exactly Godzilla versus Mothra, is it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's talk about the lizards. So Doc, as we've discussed
on this program, is now reconsidering the decision on the lizards, right,
which means well, I mean I don't think you need
to be a rocket scientist. Read between those lines and
see Doc is going to reverse this and buger the lizards.
We're going to go for the gold instead. But let
me tell you what I've been told has happened to
get us to this point where where I have Doc
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making a decision and then reversing this decision. It starts
on Tuesday. What happened on Tuesday is Tama Portaka put
out a media statement crowing about the fact that DOC
was getting through all of its workload. It had something like,
I think it was thirteen hundred applications for permits that
were just backlogged, and this was in September. He saw
this number and he said, get on with it. I
want you to do the mahi. And so as a
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result between now, between September and now, they've just been
racing through those applications got them down to about five hundred.
But the problem with racing through them is that sometimes
you make bad decisions, and if you're racing through them,
you might in fact be incentivized just.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
To go no no no no no no no no
no no, maybe one hectare for you, no no, no,
no no. And so it appears that that is what
has happened, right, and they've done that is race through
it to get their numbers to look good. That's why
they're taking another look at the lizards, because they didn't
take a proper look at it when they were saying no.
And because of that, right, I've been told that there
will be more cases in there. For example, one I've
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been pointed to and I tried to talk to Tumba
about it, but it wasn't giving us a lot of information.
Qukerdy lime quarry, I've been told is another problem. The
guy here has applied for permission to quarry fifteen hectares
of lime. He got permission to quarry one hectare of lime.
What's the point if you only get one hectare right
when you're after fifteen. The only reason he took the
compromise position, he said, is because he's actually been waiting
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five years for this and he needs to just get
on with it. He reckons he can just make it
work with one hectare financially, so he's going to do it.
And why they need the lime in the West Coast
as they need it for the flood protection and stuff
like that. That, by the way, explains why Shane Jones
is so angry at DOC the whole time, because they're
doing this kind of stuff all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And it also means, by the way, that this is
why Shane Jones wants to break dock up, because no
one can override DOC. You can put pressure on dock,
but In the end, Dock gets the final say. And
I think we can look at this and say, hmm,
maybe cabinet needs the final say on things like this,
don't you think.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Ah, I see when they said fast track, they mean
fast track to yes. Apparently a fast track no is
not acceptable either. I see, I see. I thought you
just wanted things done quickly. I was scrap those bancles
off and the rolling thunder would come and would be
kicking ass. But only if the answer is yes to progress.
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And yes, I am doing air quotes when I say progress,
we wrap. Let's get Beckon to manage retreat or you know,
living in places where we shouldn't. I think Heather's pretty
black and white on this one.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
What blows my mind is that there are people who
genuinely think that the government should buy out climate damaged
homes apparently forever. And these are not stupid people. We're
talking about academics and experts. But they have reacted very
badly to that expert advice that the government got yesterday
telling it to stop buying out flooded houses in the
next twenty years. These guys say it's morally bankrupt not
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to buy them out, and it's quote not in the
best interests of the country to essentially leave it to
people's individual decisions. Now, I would argue that is exactly
what we need to do, because never mind being morally bankrupt,
mopping up bad individual decisions will leave us actually bankrupt.
Think of this, someone's got two billion today. We'll say today,
someone's got two billion dollars for a beach house. Now
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they can either buy a house up a hill where
they know that it's going to be safe from rising water,
or they can buy a house right on the beach,
where they might in fact get flooded and probably will.
Where should they buy, Well, if the experts have their way,
they should put that two million dollars straight into a
house right next to the beach, because we all know
being next to the beach is a better spot. And frankly,
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they can afford to take their chances because if the
water does reach them, the government will simply buy the
house and give them their two million dollars back. That's perverse.
People like that need to know that the game is up.
Sure by the place next to the beach if you
want to, but you're on your own. In twenty years,
people are still to this day, mind bogglingly building on floodplanes,
putting houses in dumb places. And that's even after the
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cycle and Gabrielle swallowed the Esk Valley in the Auckland
floods drowned West Auckland. If you accept climate science, then
you accept that we are not stopping climate change. Targets
are not being met. Mitigation, which is the cutting of emissions,
is not working. All we have left now is adaptation,
which is moving out of the way, building yourself a
sea wall, strengthening bridges, and not buying houses in dumb places.
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So no, the government should not keep bailing out bad
decisions forever.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah. One thing I've learned working with Heather for a
little while now is that she certainly is very much
a personal responsibility. You've made your bed now lying even
as the sea levels rise. Kind of a woman and
you go respect that, I think, But yeah, I do
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you do feel sorry for the you know, like, obviously
global warming and the climate crisis and the rising sea
levels as on the scale of things is relatively recent
and there are perhaps some people who have been living
in places where people have been living for quite a
long time before they became a bit of a climate problem.
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You know what I mean? Do you know what? Do
I even know what I mean? It's not clear Rewrap.
So despite my constant calls for people to stop doing polls,
or at least for everybody to stop taking any notice
of them when it's not an election year, they still
keep doing them.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The winner of the week has absolutely got to be
New Zealand First, doesn't it? Third biggest party now overtaking
Act in the Greens and the latest Taxpayers Union Curier poll.
If you've been watching the polls lately, that is not
a surprise. This has been coming for a while. The
Nats have been up and down. Act has actually been
pretty flat. New Zealand First has just been heading up
for most of this year.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
There are a bunch of reasons for that. Winston has
very statesman like. He manages to disagree with his coalition
partners without being quite as bratty as David Seymour can
sometimes come off as New Zealand First a choosing their
battles quite well. They stayed out of the pay equity
kerfuffle so they didn't cop the blowback like the others did.
But mainly I think what's going on here is. They
are being blunt and refreshingly blunted that Shane Jones does
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not care if the lizard lovers get upset that he
wants to dig a mine, whether the lizards are he
just says it. Winston doesn't care if Grayland and Aravalli
are offended that he wants trans women kept out of
women's sport. He just says it. He doesn't care if
wall carpets, if forcing wool carpets into state houses is
probably a bad financial decision, he just got it done.
This party is unashamedly, i think, appealing to a group
of voters that no one else is, which is working
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class New Zealand, people who I think see things quite
simply and often more correctly than elites would care to imagine.
It is the same thing that is playing out in
the UK with the rise of reform. It is the
same thing that has put Trump back in the White
House again. Of the three coalition parties, New Zealand First
is the only one hitting the same vein of voters,
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and I would say the same rich vein of voters.
Now we're still only talking about ten percent, and ten
percent doesn't a major party make, but it has only
been headed in one direction lately for New Zealand First,
and that is up. And I think that tells you something.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Come on, guys, the last time New Zealand First got
heaps of votes and got heaps of MPs and we
had nobody had any idea who any of these people were,
and half of them turned out to be completely useless.
Come on, guys, the rewrap mind you, it could be worse.
At least we don't have people voting for Trump in
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this country.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Donald Trump has met with those five Western African leaders,
and probably the most interesting thing to come from it
is that he has realized that Liberians can speak good English.
He's praised the Liberian president for quote speaking good English
and asked him where he went to school. Of course,
Liberians speak good English because English is the official language
in the country, because in fact, many of them speak
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with an American accent because it was founded by freed
American slaves.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, it was very confusing because some of the guys
there were speaking French. So and Trump was doing that
classic thing that he does when when something's happening and
people are saying things that aren't directly to do with him.
He sort of because that that blank steer comes across
his face and he sort of, you know, nods knowingly,
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even though I'm pretty sure he doesn't speak French. Right,
So it's been a turbulent week for AI. On the
Heather dup c Allen version of the mic Hosking Breakfast,
She's into it. She went and presented at an event
about it with one in z at one stage. And
then you know, like Wimbledon for example, not a fan
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of the AI they're using there. So where does she
Where does she fall? When rental car companies start using it?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I have a feeling that hiring a car in the
future is going to be an incredibly stressful process because
of what has happen at the moment. Over in the States.
They're using AI and this does not it feels like
it's great for the rental companies, terrible for us because
we're the drivers. So what they've done is this is
hurts and they started it in it Atlanta, and they
seem to be rolling it out. They're basically using AI
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to find dents that you cannot see with the naked ice,
you know, when you ding the car and you're like,
no one's gonna see that. They're gonna see it because
they've got the AI. Now, so what that builds is
this massive scanner, and you drive the car through the scanner,
or when you pick the car up, it goes out
through the scanner, and then it comes back and through
the scanner, and they compare the photos. And the scanner
basically takes thousands of these high rears photos of the
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car as it leaves and when you've dinged it to
how and you're bringing it back in and then it
compares and if it finds any little ding, it's gonna
basically ping you and let you know that you need
to pay the bill. It happened to a couple of guys,
a couple last weekend customers. They picked up the car
in Atlanta, they drove it to a wedding. They returned
it after the weekend, nothing spared. They didn't think anything
had gone wrong. They got a notification via the APP.
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They've been charged one hundred and ninety five US dollars.
Now that works out around about let's say roughly three
fifty New Zealand. So imagine that, right, you think your
car's fine, you take it back, next minute, you've got
to pay three fifty because what the AI had found
is on one of the doors, just the tiniest, little,
tiniest little ding like I reckon. If you look at it,
it's about the size of your pinky's nail. You wouldn't
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you like, wouldn't see it with the naked eye, right,
It might even just be a shadow. But they picked
it up and they said, these people have to have
to pay it up. Now you think about what I mean,
are you even going to ring a car if this
is the situation because this morning now, to be fair
to me, I am driving in at three right, and
I'm not used to it. Like Mikes, I pulled into
Mike's car park. Mike's car park, unfortunately it's not my fault.
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Has got a really big wind turbine type thing going
on there. I don't really know what it's for, some
sort of like a reticulate the air in the car
park situation. It's got two poles that poke out. I
don't know why I drive into one of them.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I think it's to stop you driving into the thing.
I think that's what the poles are.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Therefore, Oh well, that's good that they were there then
otherwise I would have driven into the thing. I've done
it two mornings in a row. So now I don't
care because I'm driving my.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Jeep, same pole or one each, no, same side.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I don't care because it's my jeep, and my jeep
is from the beach, and it's a jilloppie and I'm
just trying to keep the battery going this winter. That's
all I'm doing, right. I don't care about the jeep,
but I do care about the pole, and I do care.
The point of the story is if that was a
rental car, well, I'm looking at a bill now of
three hundred and fifty dollars times too because of the AI.
So my advice is maybe just do a bit everywhere
when you land at the airport.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So is she saying that you shouldn't be responsible for
paying for any damage you do to a rental car
while you have it. I mean, within reason, I guess.
But we went to the Gold Coast earlier on the
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year and went to a car and the guy was
very sort of casual about damage. It may or may
not happen to it, he said, And he also got
us to take pictures of the car before we drove
it away ourselves. It was our job to take the pictures.
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At that point you had become very Parannoyd and you're
taking pictures of every little thing because you don't want
to be how responsible for any of it. She's banged
to the same pole two days in a row. That's
got a's That's annoying, isn't it. How's your week going?
I am it's finished now. If you can go home
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and have a good sleep, I am in had. That
was the rerap and she's going to be back again
next week as well as will you hopefully see you the.
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