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THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Focusing On the Wrong Issue/Focusing on the REALLY Wrong Issue/Juries vs Judges/Parenting the Elon Way/Roaming is Complicated
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The rewrap O, Good Adian. Welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday.
All the best, but it's from the mic asking Breakfast
on News Talks EDB in a Sillier Beckage. I am
Glen Harten. Today we're going to look at some of
the wild conspiracy theories that have been floating around in
the last twenty four to forty eight hours. Jury trials
(00:45):
versus judge only trials. You might be surprised about what
Heather thinks about that, the spate of Chinese surrogate baby
situations in the United States. And we'll finish up with
more ossie MP expense scandals. But before any of that, Yes, again,
(01:07):
laws different under the gun as it were in Australia.
But is that the real problem.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
On the business of Australia tightening up its gun laws.
It does feel a little bit like this runs the
risk of distracting from the bigger problem that they've actually
got over there. I mean, I think guns were not
the biggest problem on Sunday. Australia already has some of
the tightest gun laws in the world. This is actually
a race relations and religious problem over there. This attack
was predictable. There was no shortage of warnings that this
(01:34):
might happen. Jewish synagogues in the last few years have
been set alight. You've had the synagogues attacked, the business
is attacked obviously Jewish people of people who look obviously
Jewish have been hassled. Israeli people have been denied customer service.
In Melbourne, cars have been set alight in an anti
Semitic attack. Two nurses, you might recall, in Sydney lost
their jobs for bragging on TikTok that they would kill
(01:57):
Jewish patients. Now there is a timeline that Time magazine
has printed on its website of all of the events
in the last few years leading up to Sunday, and
it is actually confronting how much has been going on.
The Albanezi government knew there was a problem brewing. They
asked the Special Envoy on Anti Semitism to give them
a set of recommendations. For the last six months that
(02:17):
they've had those recommendations, they've done basically nothing about it.
So tightening up the gun laws is what they're doing
as a knee jerk thing. Now that is not a
bad thing. Checking up a license holder every few years
rather than never has got to be a good thing.
But if the Aussies think that what's just been announced
is the fix for what has just happened on Sunday,
they are misguided and they are allowing themselves to be
(02:38):
distracted from what is a very very big problem in
their country.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Although I guess you could say if it reignites and
continues the gun control debate in places like the United States,
which it does seem to have to a degree, and
that can be no bad thing either.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So rewrap.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What is a bad thing is how carried away people
get online with well everything these days, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
One of the very interesting things that we were actually
watching happen yesterday and didn't have time to mention it
was that, like almost immediately social media started pumping out
fake stories about the Bondai shooting. The most interesting one,
I think was the fake story about who the hero was,
the guy who disarmed the shooter. The fact that he
was actually himself an Arab originally from Syria was raised
(03:27):
and so instead of being Ahmed al Ahmed, social media
said it was a chap with an English name, Edward Crabtree.
And somehow some body or social media or AI god
on who knows, had concocted an entirely fake article about
the sky and he turned into a forty three year
old IT professional who was in hospital and was giving
an interview from the hospital bed and talking about how
(03:49):
he didn't think and he just acted and what. Anyway,
the article was from Iceland, not even in Australia. The
other fake story was that the shooter was a former
soldier in the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, who'd lost
his mind after being stationed in Gaza. Or third fake
story is that it was a false flag operation being
done by Israel and all to kind of whip up
you know, I don't know sympathy for Jewish people anyway,
(04:12):
if you came across any of those three stories. Not real.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But I mean what is real? Surely the thing that
has the most likes and has the most views, that's reality,
isn't it? Isn't that how it works? So a bit
of a debate's been going on about jury trials, given
that it's hard to put one together and sometimes they
(04:36):
are not really fit for purpose. So and then maybe
judges should be given the responsibility to just decide things
on their own acord a little bit more often seems
like here, there's not a fan of that idea.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In a way. I'm pleased to tell you that the
proposal to have the number of jury trials in the
UK is being met with some pretty fierce resistance, to
the point that it is causing possibly the biggest mutiny
against Kirstarmer yet. And given the trouble he's already faced
that saying a lot. The problem is they think they're
going to hand some stuff to Nigel Farage. Basically on
this front, the plan is well intentioned. In the un
(05:08):
the aim is basically to unclog the courts that are
clogged there, just like they are here, and to do
so by having the judges oversee the lower level crimes
and having juries just deal with the big stuff like murder.
It's well intentioned. I mean, on the face of it,
it would seem okay, not necessarily a good idea, though,
because judges are not always the right to choice. I mean,
what have we learned in our own experience in this
(05:30):
country in recent years judges have gone off on their
own tangent that isn't always the same as where we
are as a society. They're going activists and they're going
soft as long as the offender can spin a sob
story about their rough childhood which made them a rapist.
Do you remember the case of the pew pew farmer
who cut off the little finger of the burglar who'd
broken into his house. Happened about three years ago. It
was the third time this particular kid had broken in,
(05:53):
and even though this kid had got in trouble for it,
he just kept coming back. Nothing deterred him at all.
So what the farmer did is last time the kid
broke in, farmer overpowered him, held him down, cut off
his little finger. Jury found that farmer not guilty, which
is an hour come which divided legal experts. Are you
sure a judge would have done the same and found
(06:14):
him not guilty as well? Are there not times where
what society actually needs is a group of people who
live in the real world who can weigh up real
life risks and real life consequences and tolerance and exasperation
that we all feel about crime and then make a call.
Rather than having a cloister judge who lives in a
world of theory doing that for us. Sure, all of
(06:34):
us want to have the clog the court's unclogged, but
cutting out juries would have its own consequences.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm sorry, I and to me, juries are like I
don't know, counsels, there's only the kind of people who
are en up on a jury are the kind of
people who want to be on a jury, not necessarily
the kind of people who should be on a jury.
Whereas at least judges actually had to have a bit
(07:00):
of law under their belts. So I'm going judge if
I have to choose between the two.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sorry, rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Okay, So we've got a bit of an interesting one here.
Some Chinese gazillionaires are having heaps of babies in the US.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
How got to tell you about this weird thing that's
happening in the US. Apparently really really really wealthy, like
billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds and hundreds
of surrogates in the US. And not hundreds and hundreds each,
but in some cases some of them are having up
to one hundred surrogate babies in the US. Now we
(07:34):
know about this because this has been going through the
courts in the US for a couple of years, and
for the first time one of the judge's decisions has
been reported by media over there. And it's the case
of a video game executive whose name is Jubo, who's
had a hundred kids, and he went to court seeking
parental rights to four of these unborn children, and the
courts have declined. They said, no, you actually do not
(07:56):
have the right of a parent to these children. You've
had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing to
do with them, and it's leaving the kids in a
very legally weird place. He already has these four that
are being born, has another eight that they know of,
and potentially up to one hundred. He said he wants
to have all of the boys the children be boys,
because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants
(08:18):
the boys to one day take over his business. And
how this basically runs over the US is that the
babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by
nannies over there as they await paperwork to travel back
to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.
And this is so like up to the time that
they arrive in China. This is so widespread in the US,
(08:38):
by the way, there are so many Chinese business people
who are now doing it. Some of them just unable
to have children, just want a couple of kids like
normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things like
having ten girls because they want to marry them off
to powerful men. So much of this is going on
that there is a mini, a thriving mini industry in
the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,
(09:00):
nanny services who'll pick the newborns up from the hospital
as soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred
thousand dollars per child. The whole thing is completely so
and has been happening and apparently like underneath everyone's noses,
no one's even really fully aware of it. But now
that they are, looks like they're going to crack down
on it, and you can see for good reason. How bizarre, though,
isn't that?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But this isn't new, right, This is what Elon Musk
has been doing for ages now, isn't it? So? The
South African son of the sapphire minor can do it,
but Chinese billionaires can't. He's like a bit of a
double standard.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Fin let's finish up hot Off the back of the
Anika Wells expense scandal in Australia, you know, the keep
the driver waiting for ten hours situation, We've now got
another one. This just seems to keep getting bigger and bigger, this.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Story Australia and what the MP's are spending. Because you know,
as I've been keeping you abreast of it for the
last few days, it seems that it goes from bad
to worse. The latest is that the Energy Minister has
racked up. He headed over to Azerbaijan in Turkey to
go and do his best to try and get the
cop conference over in Australia, because that's exactly what you want,
is like I mean, obviously, for the money, it would
(10:12):
be fantastic ten you know, ten thousand people flying into
the country to talk about hot air. But while he
was over there in Asia, he spent or Central Asia,
he spent sixty two thousand dollars just on his phones.
It cost him thirty thousand dollars to get there, which
he already thought was excessive. If he thought that was excessive,
what about the sixty two thousand dollars bill which came in.
(10:34):
He thought problem was he thought he had roaming and
he didn't have roaming.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, roaming is confusing and as.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It turns out as expensive as you remember it being.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean it's not that complicated. Just get yourself
a local SIM card Google SIM card for whatever area
you're in and get one of those. That's a lot
of expenses, that's a lot of phone calls and data.
And I don't know what he was was he watching
Netflix using that? I don't know. I am Glenn had.
(11:05):
That was the re Wrap four Tuesday with Becky Tomorrow.
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you're using the local data, not your own.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The rewrap O, Good Adian. Welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday.
All the best, but it's from the mic asking Breakfast
on News Talks EDB in a Sillier Beckage. I am
Glen Harten. Today we're going to look at some of
the wild conspiracy theories that have been floating around in
the last twenty four to forty eight hours. Jury trials
(00:45):
versus judge only trials. You might be surprised about what
Heather thinks about that, the spate of Chinese surrogate baby
situations in the United States. And we'll finish up with
more ossie MP expense scandals. But before any of that, Yes, again,
(01:07):
laws different under the gun as it were in Australia.
But is that the real problem.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
On the business of Australia tightening up its gun laws.
It does feel a little bit like this runs the
risk of distracting from the bigger problem that they've actually
got over there. I mean, I think guns were not
the biggest problem on Sunday. Australia already has some of
the tightest gun laws in the world. This is actually
a race relations and religious problem over there. This attack
was predictable. There was no shortage of warnings that this
(01:34):
might happen. Jewish synagogues in the last few years have
been set alight. You've had the synagogues attacked, the business
is attacked obviously Jewish people of people who look obviously
Jewish have been hassled. Israeli people have been denied customer service.
In Melbourne, cars have been set alight in an anti
Semitic attack. Two nurses, you might recall, in Sydney lost
their jobs for bragging on TikTok that they would kill
(01:57):
Jewish patients. Now there is a timeline that Time magazine
has printed on its website of all of the events
in the last few years leading up to Sunday, and
it is actually confronting how much has been going on.
The Albanezi government knew there was a problem brewing. They
asked the Special Envoy on Anti Semitism to give them
a set of recommendations. For the last six months that
(02:17):
they've had those recommendations, they've done basically nothing about it.
So tightening up the gun laws is what they're doing
as a knee jerk thing. Now that is not a
bad thing. Checking up a license holder every few years
rather than never has got to be a good thing.
But if the Aussies think that what's just been announced
is the fix for what has just happened on Sunday,
they are misguided and they are allowing themselves to be
(02:38):
distracted from what is a very very big problem in
their country.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Although I guess you could say if it reignites and
continues the gun control debate in places like the United States,
which it does seem to have to a degree, and
that can be no bad thing either.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So rewrap.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What is a bad thing is how carried away people
get online with well everything these days, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
One of the very interesting things that we were actually
watching happen yesterday and didn't have time to mention it
was that, like almost immediately social media started pumping out
fake stories about the Bondai shooting. The most interesting one,
I think was the fake story about who the hero was,
the guy who disarmed the shooter. The fact that he
was actually himself an Arab originally from Syria was raised
(03:27):
and so instead of being Ahmed al Ahmed, social media
said it was a chap with an English name, Edward Crabtree.
And somehow some body or social media or AI god
on who knows, had concocted an entirely fake article about
the sky and he turned into a forty three year
old IT professional who was in hospital and was giving
an interview from the hospital bed and talking about how
(03:49):
he didn't think and he just acted and what. Anyway,
the article was from Iceland, not even in Australia. The
other fake story was that the shooter was a former
soldier in the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, who'd lost
his mind after being stationed in Gaza. Or third fake
story is that it was a false flag operation being
done by Israel and all to kind of whip up
you know, I don't know sympathy for Jewish people anyway,
(04:12):
if you came across any of those three stories. Not real.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But I mean what is real? Surely the thing that
has the most likes and has the most views, that's reality,
isn't it? Isn't that how it works? So a bit
of a debate's been going on about jury trials, given
that it's hard to put one together and sometimes they
(04:36):
are not really fit for purpose. So and then maybe
judges should be given the responsibility to just decide things
on their own acord a little bit more often seems
like here, there's not a fan of that idea.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In a way. I'm pleased to tell you that the
proposal to have the number of jury trials in the
UK is being met with some pretty fierce resistance, to
the point that it is causing possibly the biggest mutiny
against Kirstarmer yet. And given the trouble he's already faced
that saying a lot. The problem is they think they're
going to hand some stuff to Nigel Farage. Basically on
this front, the plan is well intentioned. In the un
(05:08):
the aim is basically to unclog the courts that are
clogged there, just like they are here, and to do
so by having the judges oversee the lower level crimes
and having juries just deal with the big stuff like murder.
It's well intentioned. I mean, on the face of it,
it would seem okay, not necessarily a good idea, though,
because judges are not always the right to choice. I mean,
what have we learned in our own experience in this
(05:30):
country in recent years judges have gone off on their
own tangent that isn't always the same as where we
are as a society. They're going activists and they're going
soft as long as the offender can spin a sob
story about their rough childhood which made them a rapist.
Do you remember the case of the pew pew farmer
who cut off the little finger of the burglar who'd
broken into his house. Happened about three years ago. It
was the third time this particular kid had broken in,
(05:53):
and even though this kid had got in trouble for it,
he just kept coming back. Nothing deterred him at all.
So what the farmer did is last time the kid
broke in, farmer overpowered him, held him down, cut off
his little finger. Jury found that farmer not guilty, which
is an hour come which divided legal experts. Are you
sure a judge would have done the same and found
(06:14):
him not guilty as well? Are there not times where
what society actually needs is a group of people who
live in the real world who can weigh up real
life risks and real life consequences and tolerance and exasperation
that we all feel about crime and then make a call.
Rather than having a cloister judge who lives in a
world of theory doing that for us. Sure, all of
(06:34):
us want to have the clog the court's unclogged, but
cutting out juries would have its own consequences.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm sorry, I and to me, juries are like I
don't know, counsels, there's only the kind of people who
are en up on a jury are the kind of
people who want to be on a jury, not necessarily
the kind of people who should be on a jury.
Whereas at least judges actually had to have a bit
(07:00):
of law under their belts. So I'm going judge if
I have to choose between the two.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sorry, rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Okay, So we've got a bit of an interesting one here.
Some Chinese gazillionaires are having heaps of babies in the US.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
How got to tell you about this weird thing that's
happening in the US. Apparently really really really wealthy, like
billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds and hundreds
of surrogates in the US. And not hundreds and hundreds each,
but in some cases some of them are having up
to one hundred surrogate babies in the US. Now we
(07:34):
know about this because this has been going through the
courts in the US for a couple of years, and
for the first time one of the judge's decisions has
been reported by media over there. And it's the case
of a video game executive whose name is Jubo, who's
had a hundred kids, and he went to court seeking
parental rights to four of these unborn children, and the
courts have declined. They said, no, you actually do not
(07:56):
have the right of a parent to these children. You've
had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing to
do with them, and it's leaving the kids in a
very legally weird place. He already has these four that
are being born, has another eight that they know of,
and potentially up to one hundred. He said he wants
to have all of the boys the children be boys,
because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants
(08:18):
the boys to one day take over his business. And
how this basically runs over the US is that the
babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by
nannies over there as they await paperwork to travel back
to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.
And this is so like up to the time that
they arrive in China. This is so widespread in the US,
(08:38):
by the way, there are so many Chinese business people
who are now doing it. Some of them just unable
to have children, just want a couple of kids like
normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things like
having ten girls because they want to marry them off
to powerful men. So much of this is going on
that there is a mini, a thriving mini industry in
the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,
(09:00):
nanny services who'll pick the newborns up from the hospital
as soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred
thousand dollars per child. The whole thing is completely so
and has been happening and apparently like underneath everyone's noses,
no one's even really fully aware of it. But now
that they are, looks like they're going to crack down
on it, and you can see for good reason. How bizarre, though,
isn't that?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But this isn't new, right, This is what Elon Musk
has been doing for ages now, isn't it? So? The
South African son of the sapphire minor can do it,
but Chinese billionaires can't. He's like a bit of a
double standard.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Fin let's finish up hot Off the back of the
Anika Wells expense scandal in Australia, you know, the keep
the driver waiting for ten hours situation, We've now got
another one. This just seems to keep getting bigger and bigger, this.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Story Australia and what the MP's are spending. Because you know,
as I've been keeping you abreast of it for the
last few days, it seems that it goes from bad
to worse. The latest is that the Energy Minister has
racked up. He headed over to Azerbaijan in Turkey to
go and do his best to try and get the
cop conference over in Australia, because that's exactly what you want,
is like I mean, obviously, for the money, it would
(10:12):
be fantastic ten you know, ten thousand people flying into
the country to talk about hot air. But while he
was over there in Asia, he spent or Central Asia,
he spent sixty two thousand dollars just on his phones.
It cost him thirty thousand dollars to get there, which
he already thought was excessive. If he thought that was excessive,
what about the sixty two thousand dollars bill which came in.
(10:34):
He thought problem was he thought he had roaming and
he didn't have roaming.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, roaming is confusing and as.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It turns out as expensive as you remember it being.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean it's not that complicated. Just get yourself
a local SIM card Google SIM card for whatever area
you're in and get one of those. That's a lot
of expenses, that's a lot of phone calls and data.
And I don't know what he was was he watching
Netflix using that? I don't know. I am Glenn had.
(11:05):
That was the re Wrap four Tuesday with Becky Tomorrow.
If you are listening in a foreign country, make sure
you're using the local data, not your own.
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