November 10, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) It's a Little Complicated/Selling What's Left of Our Stuff/The BBC DG/Is Sydney Sweeny a Good Actor?
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best that's from the mic asking Breakfast on Newsbalk
SEDB in a sillier package. I'm Glenhattan today. Shall we
sell all our stuff? This is something that comes up
from time to time. The BBC has really got itself
into some hot water over making everybody think that Trump
(00:48):
when everyone to do January sixth and what's happening at
the US box office at the moment? When what's the
New Zealand connection to that? But before anything else, wucker jumping, Yes,
it's wucker jumping time again everyone morning.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mike. Can the two expelled from the Maori party standards
and dependence? Well, of course they can. They are in
dependence says of now. They are no longer in peace
for the Mallory Party. They are independent. MP's in the
House And what I want to know is where's the
waker jumping law. What's the point of having a waker
jumping law if you're not going to enact it? For
goodness sake? What I'd forgotten about until I looked it
up again yesterday because I knew this would be an issue.
Is two Waker Jumping laws. You remember that first one
(01:22):
came and went in the early part of the century,
and then the second one, which was part of the
New Zealand First Labor government. The original one had a
sunset clause, so they brought it back in. So the
problem is that the Caucus will need to enact it,
not the Council, because the Council aren't in the Parliament,
of course, so the Council vote to expel them, but
the Caucus then need to use the Waker Jumping law
(01:45):
because it becomes a parliamentary thing. And then you've got
because you only got sex two of them being the leaders,
so they might want to get rid of them. But
what about the other two because the two concerned of
the two expellees, so that's four, so where are the
other two? Said? What are the other two? And that
those two split, that's three each.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm just trying to find my migraine.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Exactly, which means you're never going to So that's a
job for Jerry maybe this afternoon watch Parliament.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I actually can't think of any thing worse like my face.
My head was so screwed up in consternation trying to
figure out what it was that Mike was talking about
there there. But yeah, talk about headache time. Now I'm
doing it again, just thinking about why have I done
this to myself? Twice?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Re wrap.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So when times are a little bit skinned, people start
talking about selling off government assets, I'm surprised that we've
got any left. I thought we sold a whole lot,
but we must must have one or two still.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Lux and that appears is going to have a crack
at what he termed on this program yesterday and elevated
discussion over assets. Now I wish him well for that
for a couple of reasons. One I'm all for better,
more informed public debate, and two this place needs a
rocket in terms of delivery on assets. The real story,
of course, about the discussion is not the discussion, but
what started it, And what started it was he and
Renny at Treasury and his report that essentially says we
(03:03):
can't grow our way out of the long term fiscal
mess we're in. We need to sell some stuff. This
is as big a red flag as you would ever
want to see. Read the government books last week despite
it all taxes down, we still aren't running a surplus,
still borrowing to keep the lights on for goodness sake.
Economic growth, even when it does arrive, won't fix that.
That is scary. So the elevated bit is the part
(03:24):
where he tries to convince you that we can take
the money from an asset and reuse it better, get
a better return, grow a business in different ways, like
Fonterra well with the Lactala sale. Consumer brands aren't there
thing they can better spend their billions, they argue. In
other ways, they only had farmers to convince, though Luxeon's
got at least thirty five percent of voters to convince,
along with act who's probably already on board in New
(03:46):
Zealand first voters who may or may not be. That
is the elevated bit. The idea of best using your
money is a sound one, of course. Convincing people that
and how it's going to play out though, that's a
whole different political problem. And that's before you get to
the politically charged bit of what actually you're going to
sell TV and zenomy No one would really care, but
then it's worth nothing anyway. What about a power company?
(04:07):
What about an airline where you get the xenophobia, the
foreign takeover talk, also the bit where you well, it
becomes really obvious really quickly, we don't actually have a
lot left to sell, So election year twenty twenty six
an elevated discussion. Can a sensible, possibly slightly complex idea
be floated and sold in the heat of a battle
for your electoral life? Should be fun?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Did you hear Mike saying basically execute what I just
said before about we don't actually have that much left
because we were already sold most of it. But feel
quite clever now my headache starting to receive ever so slightly. Yeah,
it's a bit like the Fontira thing, isn't it Like
you can only sell at once and then it's got hope.
(04:51):
You know what you're doing, rerap It's sender our attention
to the United Kingdom now, where the BBC is really
got itself into some serious bother as it seems too
from time to time.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Now I'm trying to work out what the ratio would
be much squeaky clean, beyond doubt, rock solid truth with
the BBC need to deliver to offset the one gargantuan
cock up that has seen the director general in the
head of news quit or in this day and age
where doubt a mistrust is so high, is it a
futile exercise and the damage is basically permanent? Like all stories,
you can dilute its seriousness. I mean, the Panorama program
(05:27):
wasn't actually made by the BBC, It was a contract company.
So was the bias external not internal? Obviously I'm clutching
its straws here. Does a resignation mean the organization is
no longer biased or perceived as biased? I would have
thought not. I mean, how do you prove inherent bias anyway?
Which is non going charge not just at the BBC,
but a number of public broadcasters all over the world.
I mean I cited the Radio New Zealand example yesterday
(05:49):
out of the boot Camp report. Their headline read the
conclusion was of a rushed exercise. That wasn't the conclusion.
It was an observation, not a conclusion. But even if
you argue the observation was a conclusion, that would mean
there were many conclusions. Why I pick that one when
there were positive ones to choose from as well? Now
as that inherent bias or just a busy journalist looking
to publish a story, Are we the punter inherently biased
(06:11):
and therefore whatever we see we don't like well must
be biased. The BBC bit is, of course indisputable. It's
not about inference or emphasis. It's about making something seem real,
which factually wasn't. I mean, they made it up. Why
would you do that unless you had an agenda? Why
would the BBC not spot it? Too busy or too biased?
(06:31):
The Culture Secretary said, now more than ever, the need
for trusted news is essential to our cultural and democratic life,
which is what they say when they have carnage to
deal with using taxpayers money. The BBC were already booked
in this week, ironically for a parliamentary inquiry into their
coverage of trans Writes and Gaza, cementing in many people's
minds what they already suspected. My stummation is basically, it's
(06:54):
over the juries and the verdict is guilty and the
people are always right. Whatever the media might once have
had by way of respect and trust is largely, if
not completely gone, and two resignations cemented any remaining doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean I think we just trust the media
outlet that has the same opinions as us don't we
and we distrust whatever the other one is. I think
that's how that works, isn't it. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
This is another story that makes me scrim a face
up in coronsternation, though, because you seem to have there's
a chair, there's a director general, is a head of news.
There's a lot of managing bureaucracy here, which might be
part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Maybe very good piece I can tell you about Christopher Stevens.
Look it up if you want to. It's about Tim Davey.
Who's he. He's the guy who used to run the BBC.
As of yesterday, anyone of the scandals that has rocked
the BBC in the past five years could have been
enough to force Director General Tim Davey to resign. The
most awful aspect of the Trump travesty, he writes, was
how predictable it seemed. Since Tim Davey took over as
(08:00):
Director General in September of twenty twenty, the BBC has
been tarred by scandals that damaged the reputation of almost
all its department sports, news, music, radio, primetime entertainment. In
the past couple of years. The scandals have come so
quickly that each one displaced the last. In order to
weather the storm, the DG had only to hang on
until the next one blew up. He was repeatedly rescued
(08:21):
by his own inability to get a grip. His entire
career can be seen as an example of what management
types call failing upwards, a form of promotion built on
blythe confidence in his own inadequacies. Brilliantly put, so he's gone.
He used to work for Pepsi. It's worth reading the
article because when he was with Pepsi, he was in
the promotion. What I couldn't work out is he worked
(08:43):
from Pepsi and then he went somewhere weird and then
the next thing he's the DG of the BBC, and
it couldn't work out. That's a leap anyway. He'd relaunched
or helped relaunch Pepsi into Pepsi Blue, and they painted
a plain blue and it cost hundreds of millions of
dollars and it was broadly seen as a flop. So
if I was on the board of the BBC, going
is that the guy painted the plain blue. Well, we're
(09:03):
not going to have him, or maybe they could find
nobody else. Somebody else I was listening to yesterday was saying, basically,
the DG's job at the BBC now is literally an
impossible job because you've got all the henchmen in the
newsroom who pretend they're not biased, and you've got all
the politics of a government that don't necessarily like you,
and you've got all the hatred of the British public
who of course funds you, and it's a just a
(09:27):
hopeless position. You can't possibly be in a winning positions.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They've got a flat mad out the BBCGG as opposed
to the chair of the board and all the other bosses.
Too many bosses you can have, definitely have too many bosses.
I reckon the rerat now we had a very nice
boke and this morning who is playing the Predator or
(09:51):
the main Predator? And the new Predator movie New Zealand
both Demetrius and hopefully has paypack at is somehow related
to how much money the movie makes, because it's doing
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Predator forty million from the thirty seven hundred and twenty
five theaters This is in the States. Pre release had
it opening at twenty five, So they thought twenty five
got forty overseas eighty million, biggest global opening of the franchise,
surpassing the twenty eighteen Predator at forty eight point nine.
That'll be Demitrius. He's a magnet audience score on Rotten
(10:32):
Tomatoes ninety five percent. Fast forward to Sidney Sweeney, who's
got the movie Christy. We played the tray, We did
the trailer for that in one of those trendings, didn't
we We did Christy year. That's probably what put you
off to be frank one point three million overall of
America one point three million. The story Christy is Christy Martin.
(10:56):
She was a Hall of Fame boxer. Opened in two thousand,
one hundred and eleven theaters, so that's revenue per theater
of six hundred and forty nine dollars. Ranked the top
twelve worst ever four movies showing on more than two
thousand screens. Three of those four were released just right
after Comfort when people want to go back to them movies.
(11:17):
So now that they do, they've thought, oh, Sydney, is
she a good actor? I don't know. She's got good
gems though, and in that I think is probably part
of the problem.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it's because it's a cure to me. I've only
actually seen one thing that Sidney Sweeney has done. Echo
Valley was a movie that she was in with Julianne Moore.
Julianne al was actually in it a lot more than
she was. She was just the dropkick grug out, a
daughter that was getting everybody into trouble. Sidney Sweeney that
was partially played. It wasn't a very big part, so
(11:50):
I couldn't really get a vibe. I mean, it was
a pretty average sort of a movie which went pretty
much the way you thought it was going to, So
I couldn't really get much of a vibe on whether
Sidney Sweeney is actually worth it. Sorry, Sydney, if you're listening,
I'm sure you're very good. I've just never seen them
any of your stuff. We obviously move in different circles.
(12:13):
I leave that bear. I've gone down a Sydney Sweeney
rabbit hole, as a lot of people do. I think
I'll try to expect myself from that, and I'll be
with you here again to Morrow's.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Then for more from News Talks ed b listen live
on air or online and keep our shows with you
wherever you go with our podcasts on iart Radio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best that's from the mic asking Breakfast on Newsbalk
SEDB in a sillier package. I'm Glenhattan today. Shall we
sell all our stuff? This is something that comes up
from time to time. The BBC has really got itself
into some hot water over making everybody think that Trump
(00:48):
when everyone to do January sixth and what's happening at
the US box office at the moment? When what's the
New Zealand connection to that? But before anything else, wucker jumping, Yes,
it's wucker jumping time again everyone morning.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mike. Can the two expelled from the Maori party standards
and dependence? Well, of course they can. They are in
dependence says of now. They are no longer in peace
for the Mallory Party. They are independent. MP's in the
House And what I want to know is where's the
waker jumping law. What's the point of having a waker
jumping law if you're not going to enact it? For
goodness sake? What I'd forgotten about until I looked it
up again yesterday because I knew this would be an issue.
Is two Waker Jumping laws. You remember that first one
(01:22):
came and went in the early part of the century,
and then the second one, which was part of the
New Zealand First Labor government. The original one had a
sunset clause, so they brought it back in. So the
problem is that the Caucus will need to enact it,
not the Council, because the Council aren't in the Parliament,
of course, so the Council vote to expel them, but
the Caucus then need to use the Waker Jumping law
(01:45):
because it becomes a parliamentary thing. And then you've got
because you only got sex two of them being the leaders,
so they might want to get rid of them. But
what about the other two because the two concerned of
the two expellees, so that's four, so where are the
other two? Said? What are the other two? And that
those two split, that's three each.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm just trying to find my migraine.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Exactly, which means you're never going to So that's a
job for Jerry maybe this afternoon watch Parliament.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I actually can't think of any thing worse like my face.
My head was so screwed up in consternation trying to
figure out what it was that Mike was talking about
there there. But yeah, talk about headache time. Now I'm
doing it again, just thinking about why have I done
this to myself? Twice?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Re wrap.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So when times are a little bit skinned, people start
talking about selling off government assets, I'm surprised that we've
got any left. I thought we sold a whole lot,
but we must must have one or two still.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Lux and that appears is going to have a crack
at what he termed on this program yesterday and elevated
discussion over assets. Now I wish him well for that
for a couple of reasons. One I'm all for better,
more informed public debate, and two this place needs a
rocket in terms of delivery on assets. The real story,
of course, about the discussion is not the discussion, but
what started it, And what started it was he and
Renny at Treasury and his report that essentially says we
(03:03):
can't grow our way out of the long term fiscal
mess we're in. We need to sell some stuff. This
is as big a red flag as you would ever
want to see. Read the government books last week despite
it all taxes down, we still aren't running a surplus,
still borrowing to keep the lights on for goodness sake.
Economic growth, even when it does arrive, won't fix that.
That is scary. So the elevated bit is the part
(03:24):
where he tries to convince you that we can take
the money from an asset and reuse it better, get
a better return, grow a business in different ways, like
Fonterra well with the Lactala sale. Consumer brands aren't there
thing they can better spend their billions, they argue. In
other ways, they only had farmers to convince, though Luxeon's
got at least thirty five percent of voters to convince,
along with act who's probably already on board in New
(03:46):
Zealand first voters who may or may not be. That
is the elevated bit. The idea of best using your
money is a sound one, of course. Convincing people that
and how it's going to play out though, that's a
whole different political problem. And that's before you get to
the politically charged bit of what actually you're going to
sell TV and zenomy No one would really care, but
then it's worth nothing anyway. What about a power company?
(04:07):
What about an airline where you get the xenophobia, the
foreign takeover talk, also the bit where you well, it
becomes really obvious really quickly, we don't actually have a
lot left to sell, So election year twenty twenty six
an elevated discussion. Can a sensible, possibly slightly complex idea
be floated and sold in the heat of a battle
for your electoral life? Should be fun?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Did you hear Mike saying basically execute what I just
said before about we don't actually have that much left
because we were already sold most of it. But feel
quite clever now my headache starting to receive ever so slightly. Yeah,
it's a bit like the Fontira thing, isn't it Like
you can only sell at once and then it's got hope.
(04:51):
You know what you're doing, rerap It's sender our attention
to the United Kingdom now, where the BBC is really
got itself into some serious bother as it seems too
from time to time.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Now I'm trying to work out what the ratio would
be much squeaky clean, beyond doubt, rock solid truth with
the BBC need to deliver to offset the one gargantuan
cock up that has seen the director general in the
head of news quit or in this day and age
where doubt a mistrust is so high, is it a
futile exercise and the damage is basically permanent? Like all stories,
you can dilute its seriousness. I mean, the Panorama program
(05:27):
wasn't actually made by the BBC, It was a contract company.
So was the bias external not internal? Obviously I'm clutching
its straws here. Does a resignation mean the organization is
no longer biased or perceived as biased? I would have
thought not. I mean, how do you prove inherent bias anyway?
Which is non going charge not just at the BBC,
but a number of public broadcasters all over the world.
I mean I cited the Radio New Zealand example yesterday
(05:49):
out of the boot Camp report. Their headline read the
conclusion was of a rushed exercise. That wasn't the conclusion.
It was an observation, not a conclusion. But even if
you argue the observation was a conclusion, that would mean
there were many conclusions. Why I pick that one when
there were positive ones to choose from as well? Now
as that inherent bias or just a busy journalist looking
to publish a story, Are we the punter inherently biased
(06:11):
and therefore whatever we see we don't like well must
be biased. The BBC bit is, of course indisputable. It's
not about inference or emphasis. It's about making something seem real,
which factually wasn't. I mean, they made it up. Why
would you do that unless you had an agenda? Why
would the BBC not spot it? Too busy or too biased?
(06:31):
The Culture Secretary said, now more than ever, the need
for trusted news is essential to our cultural and democratic life,
which is what they say when they have carnage to
deal with using taxpayers money. The BBC were already booked
in this week, ironically for a parliamentary inquiry into their
coverage of trans Writes and Gaza, cementing in many people's
minds what they already suspected. My stummation is basically, it's
(06:54):
over the juries and the verdict is guilty and the
people are always right. Whatever the media might once have
had by way of respect and trust is largely, if
not completely gone, and two resignations cemented any remaining doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean I think we just trust the media
outlet that has the same opinions as us don't we
and we distrust whatever the other one is. I think
that's how that works, isn't it. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
This is another story that makes me scrim a face
up in coronsternation, though, because you seem to have there's
a chair, there's a director general, is a head of news.
There's a lot of managing bureaucracy here, which might be
part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Maybe very good piece I can tell you about Christopher Stevens.
Look it up if you want to. It's about Tim Davey.
Who's he. He's the guy who used to run the BBC.
As of yesterday, anyone of the scandals that has rocked
the BBC in the past five years could have been
enough to force Director General Tim Davey to resign. The
most awful aspect of the Trump travesty, he writes, was
how predictable it seemed. Since Tim Davey took over as
(08:00):
Director General in September of twenty twenty, the BBC has
been tarred by scandals that damaged the reputation of almost
all its department sports, news, music, radio, primetime entertainment. In
the past couple of years. The scandals have come so
quickly that each one displaced the last. In order to
weather the storm, the DG had only to hang on
until the next one blew up. He was repeatedly rescued
(08:21):
by his own inability to get a grip. His entire
career can be seen as an example of what management
types call failing upwards, a form of promotion built on
blythe confidence in his own inadequacies. Brilliantly put, so he's gone.
He used to work for Pepsi. It's worth reading the
article because when he was with Pepsi, he was in
the promotion. What I couldn't work out is he worked
(08:43):
from Pepsi and then he went somewhere weird and then
the next thing he's the DG of the BBC, and
it couldn't work out. That's a leap anyway. He'd relaunched
or helped relaunch Pepsi into Pepsi Blue, and they painted
a plain blue and it cost hundreds of millions of
dollars and it was broadly seen as a flop. So
if I was on the board of the BBC, going
is that the guy painted the plain blue. Well, we're
(09:03):
not going to have him, or maybe they could find
nobody else. Somebody else I was listening to yesterday was saying, basically,
the DG's job at the BBC now is literally an
impossible job because you've got all the henchmen in the
newsroom who pretend they're not biased, and you've got all
the politics of a government that don't necessarily like you,
and you've got all the hatred of the British public
who of course funds you, and it's a just a
(09:27):
hopeless position. You can't possibly be in a winning positions.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They've got a flat mad out the BBCGG as opposed
to the chair of the board and all the other bosses.
Too many bosses you can have, definitely have too many bosses.
I reckon the rerat now we had a very nice
boke and this morning who is playing the Predator or
(09:51):
the main Predator? And the new Predator movie New Zealand
both Demetrius and hopefully has paypack at is somehow related
to how much money the movie makes, because it's doing
pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Predator forty million from the thirty seven hundred and twenty
five theaters This is in the States. Pre release had
it opening at twenty five, So they thought twenty five
got forty overseas eighty million, biggest global opening of the franchise,
surpassing the twenty eighteen Predator at forty eight point nine.
That'll be Demitrius. He's a magnet audience score on Rotten
(10:32):
Tomatoes ninety five percent. Fast forward to Sidney Sweeney, who's
got the movie Christy. We played the tray, We did
the trailer for that in one of those trendings, didn't
we We did Christy year. That's probably what put you
off to be frank one point three million overall of
America one point three million. The story Christy is Christy Martin.
(10:56):
She was a Hall of Fame boxer. Opened in two thousand,
one hundred and eleven theaters, so that's revenue per theater
of six hundred and forty nine dollars. Ranked the top
twelve worst ever four movies showing on more than two
thousand screens. Three of those four were released just right
after Comfort when people want to go back to them movies.
(11:17):
So now that they do, they've thought, oh, Sydney, is
she a good actor? I don't know. She's got good
gems though, and in that I think is probably part
of the problem.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it's because it's a cure to me. I've only
actually seen one thing that Sidney Sweeney has done. Echo
Valley was a movie that she was in with Julianne Moore.
Julianne al was actually in it a lot more than
she was. She was just the dropkick grug out, a
daughter that was getting everybody into trouble. Sidney Sweeney that
was partially played. It wasn't a very big part, so
(11:50):
I couldn't really get a vibe. I mean, it was
a pretty average sort of a movie which went pretty
much the way you thought it was going to, So
I couldn't really get much of a vibe on whether
Sidney Sweeney is actually worth it. Sorry, Sydney, if you're listening,
I'm sure you're very good. I've just never seen them
any of your stuff. We obviously move in different circles.
(12:13):
I leave that bear. I've gone down a Sydney Sweeney
rabbit hole, as a lot of people do. I think
I'll try to expect myself from that, and I'll be
with you here again to Morrow's.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Then for more from News Talks ed b listen live
on air or online and keep our shows with you
wherever you go with our podcasts on iart Radio
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders
Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders takes you back to 1983, when two teenagers were found murdered, execution-style, on a quiet Texas hill. What followed was decades of rumors, false leads, and a case that law enforcement could never seem to close. Now, veteran investigative journalist M. William Phelps reopens the file — uncovering new witnesses, hidden evidence, and a shocking web of deaths that may all be connected. Over nine gripping episodes, Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders unravels a story 42 years in the making… and asks the question: who’s really been hiding the truth?
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com