April 6, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) The New, New, New Normal/Total Waste of Everybody's Time/The Problem with Singapore/Poll-a-Rama/Suspicious Numbers
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rerap there, welcome to the Rewrap for Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
All the best, but it's from the mic hosting breakfast
on Newsbook, said beat in a sillier package, I am
Glen Heart and today the Treaty Principles Bill. Come on,
you remember remember the most pointless piece of legislation that's
ever been talked about at length? Add in vernitum ad nauseum.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, anyway, we'll talk about it a bit more.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Shortly, Singapore is the place to emulate, according to so
many people.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We'll find out why. Shortly. We've got another poll. It's
polar arma time.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Because the election is towards the end of next year,
and flying in New Zealand is a wonderful experience and
nothing ever goes wrong. But before any of there, oh, yes,
that's right, the tariffs.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Now here's the problem with what happened Saturday, our time.
No one really saw the Trump blitzkrig coming, and those
who know what they're talking about still don't understand it
and can't explain it. But they thought would happen, didn't
It was supposed to be a countermeasure. If you tariff
US twenty percent, will match you at twenty percent. Except
that's not what happened. Countries were America's on the right
side of the ledger got whacked. Australia, countries with true
(01:36):
fear trade are balanced portfolio got whacked. New Zealand, countries
who dropped their tariffs got whacked, Israel and Vietnam. It
might might be a game freak the world out negotiated away,
or it might might be the biggest political risk and
economic cockup of the modern age. Certainly, the markets didn't
like it, and if you think that doesn't scare people,
(01:57):
you don't understand humanity. Even bright people like Marco Rubio
have been unable to mount a cogent response to it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
All.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The idea that the whole world will down tools, pack up, shot,
move to America to begin a new goal age in
utopia is fascical. On shoring is what it's called, and
some may expand or invest, but the vast majority can't
and won't. Nike in Vietnam isn't suddenly making shoes n Idaho,
because if they did, you couldn't afford them, and that's
the simple truth of business and trade and borders and market.
(02:24):
Some people make stuff on volume and price, and you
don't do that in first world countries. If Americans can't
afford sneakers and cars, the Republicans are toast. Next year
is the midterms. Ted Cruz said so over the weekend,
and he's a Republican. The Republicans will panic, and rightly so.
China will be a winner. It might well be free
trades ultimately a winner if the world or chunks of
(02:44):
it coalesce. The thing about politics is normally there's logic.
You don't have to agree with it, but it can
be explained. This can't be Trump isn't a genius that
has seen something no one else has. He's overplayed his
hand and the fallout is only just beginning.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Mike Mine, you can't just go on the radio and
say things like Trump isn't a genius. That's just crazy
to him, it's just a shock job trying to get clicks.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That kind of statement. Far o, man, pull it back.
I don't have to have a word with him, so rerap.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
He's got a more reason view on the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Treaty Principle's Bill on its way to the gallows, as
the Select Committee came back Friday and suggested it wasn't
getting its support. It was voted past first reading. Of
course it won't get passed round two. What I learned
out of this was several things. One, this country's not
up for much of a debate around complex and big ideas.
We are myopic in our approach, we hate or we love,
and middle ground as irrelevant. There was a venom and
(03:43):
aggressiveness to a lot of the submissions. To what else
did I learn from those who submitted that actually knew
what they were talking about as opposed to people nearly
offering an opinion? It very quickly became clear there is massive,
massive disagreement over interpretation.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But these were the scholars, the lawyers, the historians, experts.
They couldn't agree. Now, That to me was the big,
big clue. If the learned can't agree, surely that means
we need something legally speaking to define what we're dealing with.
There is a major case in Christ Juche at the
moment between Night Tahoo and the Crown over water rights.
It is in the court because there is nothing definitive
in law as to what the treaty does and doesn't do.
(04:20):
We seem to accept that the Parliament is the ultimate court.
Yet on the treaty we appear happy to litigate for
decade after decade, have a tribunal that's wildly tainted and
nothing like a proper court. And each and every time
we dabble in this area, you and I are picking
up the tab. The other outworking, of course, is the
ongoing grief and ants. This is a very divided country
at the moment. This is not a harmonious nation with
an agreed legal stance around the treaty. But putting it
(04:43):
out to a vote the way Act wanted was a mistake.
It's too important for that. I mean, pick and mixed
democracy never works. The other thing I learned politically is
it should never have seen the light of day if
it wasn't going all the way. This goes to the
luxe and negotiation skills or lack of them. It was
either dead before it started or it got the full treatment.
What we got with this half baked, deeply divided mess
that ended up achieving basically nothing. Even those who argue
(05:06):
all but it started the debate wrong because if it's
floated for another day, and it may well be we
won't carry on where we left off. We'll have to
start all over again.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Is there a possibility that we've talked about this thing
that was never ever going to be a thing so
much now that people think that something has happened and
has been agreed on, and so it won't ever be.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Talking about every again. Probably not a guy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I can hope Canny rewrap now timon again. It's not
just my Husking, but many other people. They hold up
Singapore as a sort of a what's the word, an
aspirational kind of a place in terms of we should
aspire to be just like Singapore. Here's Mike with some
of the reasoning.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Mike stayed in one of the apartments in Singapore for
a week. The apartment was a house in the air,
one hundred and eighty squares dexel around, but no garaging,
no way to move with freedom. Like New Zealand, we
love standalone homes with the garage for our three cars.
Our lifestyle is too different to compare male wrong wrong,
wrong wrong. You will not find the person who is
more spookish on Singapore than I am. You're correct to
say that a lot of people live in apartments of
(06:16):
one hundred percent. Correct. You're also probably correct to suggest
you can get a regular house the way we would
understand it, with a garden and some palm trees. But
you'll be paying many, many, many, many many millions of
dollars for it, because the reason you pay so much
for housing in Singapore is quite simply, it's a tiny
place and there's five million people in it. However, also,
you are not going to be able to afford a
car because they're extraordinarily expensive. But then again, you don't
(06:38):
need a car because taxis are dirt cheap and the
public transport system is fantastic. But what Singapore offers us
all is a picture of the future of what could
be now. It doesn't have to be specifically the same
as Singapore, but Chris Bishop nailed it, and anyone who
ever goes to Singapore sees the same thing. It's about
spirit and it's about aspiration. Read the history of the
(07:00):
place where they were and where they are now, and
leek one you said, we're poor, we're third world. This
has to end and we're going to save our way
to prosperity. And everyone went, no, no, No, we're too poor,
we can't afford to save.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
No way.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Thirty forty years later, they don't what to do with
all the money. They're a magnet for the world. They
are a classic example of being a hub of inventing
themselves into a hub of producing nothing, and yet still
having the whole world come knock at their door and go,
how come you guys got to be so damned successful?
They are a great story to study.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Look, there's no doubt that all is all very impressive,
But back to the textas original point there though, it's
pretty much impossible for any remotely normal person to afford
like a house, a freehold house, you know, with a
deck and a barbecue, and car ownership is crazy expensive,
(08:01):
so you won't get one of those either.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And if you're a migrant worker.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
In Singapore, as far as I can tell, as pretty
much what the workforce has made up of, your living
conditions act quite as good as the actual.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Singaporeans living conditions per se. Don't get me wrong, I
like it there, but you know I'm not a margrant worker.
The rewrap right, pole time, Hang on, didn't we do
this last week? Why are we having all these poles? Polls.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Second one for the week courier out over the weekend
taken between the end of March beginning of April. National
thirty three and a half, Labor twenty nine point eight.
So that's psychological. The Greens eleven, This is another one
of these poles. I don't really believe, but I give
them to you anyway. The Green's eleven Act ten up
two point three. Really that amount of movement for what
no particular reason. New Zealand first seven point four up
(08:57):
two point three. So in other words, there's been a
five point swing, most of which appears to have come
from the Labor Party. So Labor voters suddenly Upton left
for Act, did they? You see my point? To party?
Murray down two point two. Anyway, the upshot of the
poll is the government retains power.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Then later on in the program, I've posited the theory
that perhaps Labor voters had in fact gone to National
and National had lost a similar amount.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Of voters to Act.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That's hard to know exactly what's going on, isn't it,
Because like weather forecasts.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Poles don't really mean anything. The re wrap, Yeah, you've
got to be careful about statistics. You have these statistics.
For example, So.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Here we go. If I said to you flying in
this country, you go disaster on time, no way? How
many cancelations? How many people do you know that jump
on a plane that never get there? How many people
jump on a plane that's always late? Well wrong? So
the Ministry of Transport numbers come out, they do these monthly.
It's the on time performance OTP in New Zealand's cancelation
(09:57):
rate zero zero point eight percent this January, middle of
the holidays, Jetstar zero point two. They've got fewer flights obviously,
so they don't need to cancel as many. Dunedin to
Aalkland the highest cancelation rate. Dunedin to Auckland one point
eight percent of flights canceled one hundred and twelve in total,
just two were canceled. Wellington Auckland four hundred and eighty
one flights five were canceled, that's one percent. Christ Church
(10:19):
to Auckland, Auckland to christ Church, Auckland to Wellington four
flights canceled over the whole months in total. So when
you add it all up for January, both airlines in
New Zealand and Jetstar there were three thousand, six hundred
and eleven flights scheduled in January between those two airlines,
twenty three were canceled, or zero point six percent. So
(10:41):
the theory is flying in this country as a problem.
The theory is you're always late. The theory is it's
always a problem wrong. Zero point six percent. That metric
for any business doing anything. In other words, ninety nine
point four percent of what you do happens when it's
supposed to happen. You would take all day long, do
(11:03):
not text me and say you don't believe the numbers.
Or you were on a flight going to Palmerston North
and it went upside down and round and round it
ended up in in the cargo because the facts don't lie.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Still, sort of think if even if one or two
out of every hundred flights don't happen the way they're
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's quite better, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, I know, it's like it's not brain surgery,
where if one or two out of every hundred brain
surgeries go bad, then that's those consequences are really bad.
But still, I mean, you've got the podcast statistics for example,
I mean, my failure rate here will be a lot higher.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
About sixty percent of the podcasts go bad, about twenty
percent are listenable, and then there's another twenty percent don't
know or all of the above that those are the
latest statistics I have to hand see if you can
be another one of the statistics with me tomorrow, I'll
(12:10):
see that the rap
Speaker 1 (12:19):
For more from News Talks at b Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rerap there, welcome to the Rewrap for Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
All the best, but it's from the mic hosting breakfast
on Newsbook, said beat in a sillier package, I am
Glen Heart and today the Treaty Principles Bill. Come on,
you remember remember the most pointless piece of legislation that's
ever been talked about at length? Add in vernitum ad nauseum.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, anyway, we'll talk about it a bit more.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Shortly, Singapore is the place to emulate, according to so
many people.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We'll find out why. Shortly. We've got another poll. It's
polar arma time.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Because the election is towards the end of next year,
and flying in New Zealand is a wonderful experience and
nothing ever goes wrong. But before any of there, oh, yes,
that's right, the tariffs.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Now here's the problem with what happened Saturday, our time.
No one really saw the Trump blitzkrig coming, and those
who know what they're talking about still don't understand it
and can't explain it. But they thought would happen, didn't
It was supposed to be a countermeasure. If you tariff
US twenty percent, will match you at twenty percent. Except
that's not what happened. Countries were America's on the right
side of the ledger got whacked. Australia, countries with true
(01:36):
fear trade are balanced portfolio got whacked. New Zealand, countries
who dropped their tariffs got whacked, Israel and Vietnam. It
might might be a game freak the world out negotiated away,
or it might might be the biggest political risk and
economic cockup of the modern age. Certainly, the markets didn't
like it, and if you think that doesn't scare people,
(01:57):
you don't understand humanity. Even bright people like Marco Rubio
have been unable to mount a cogent response to it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
All.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The idea that the whole world will down tools, pack up, shot,
move to America to begin a new goal age in
utopia is fascical. On shoring is what it's called, and
some may expand or invest, but the vast majority can't
and won't. Nike in Vietnam isn't suddenly making shoes n Idaho,
because if they did, you couldn't afford them, and that's
the simple truth of business and trade and borders and market.
(02:24):
Some people make stuff on volume and price, and you
don't do that in first world countries. If Americans can't
afford sneakers and cars, the Republicans are toast. Next year
is the midterms. Ted Cruz said so over the weekend,
and he's a Republican. The Republicans will panic, and rightly so.
China will be a winner. It might well be free
trades ultimately a winner if the world or chunks of
(02:44):
it coalesce. The thing about politics is normally there's logic.
You don't have to agree with it, but it can
be explained. This can't be Trump isn't a genius that
has seen something no one else has. He's overplayed his
hand and the fallout is only just beginning.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Mike Mine, you can't just go on the radio and
say things like Trump isn't a genius. That's just crazy
to him, it's just a shock job trying to get clicks.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That kind of statement. Far o, man, pull it back.
I don't have to have a word with him, so rerap.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
He's got a more reason view on the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Treaty Principle's Bill on its way to the gallows, as
the Select Committee came back Friday and suggested it wasn't
getting its support. It was voted past first reading. Of
course it won't get passed round two. What I learned
out of this was several things. One, this country's not
up for much of a debate around complex and big ideas.
We are myopic in our approach, we hate or we love,
and middle ground as irrelevant. There was a venom and
(03:43):
aggressiveness to a lot of the submissions. To what else
did I learn from those who submitted that actually knew
what they were talking about as opposed to people nearly
offering an opinion? It very quickly became clear there is massive,
massive disagreement over interpretation.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But these were the scholars, the lawyers, the historians, experts.
They couldn't agree. Now, That to me was the big,
big clue. If the learned can't agree, surely that means
we need something legally speaking to define what we're dealing with.
There is a major case in Christ Juche at the
moment between Night Tahoo and the Crown over water rights.
It is in the court because there is nothing definitive
in law as to what the treaty does and doesn't do.
(04:20):
We seem to accept that the Parliament is the ultimate court.
Yet on the treaty we appear happy to litigate for
decade after decade, have a tribunal that's wildly tainted and
nothing like a proper court. And each and every time
we dabble in this area, you and I are picking
up the tab. The other outworking, of course, is the
ongoing grief and ants. This is a very divided country
at the moment. This is not a harmonious nation with
an agreed legal stance around the treaty. But putting it
(04:43):
out to a vote the way Act wanted was a mistake.
It's too important for that. I mean, pick and mixed
democracy never works. The other thing I learned politically is
it should never have seen the light of day if
it wasn't going all the way. This goes to the
luxe and negotiation skills or lack of them. It was
either dead before it started or it got the full treatment.
What we got with this half baked, deeply divided mess
that ended up achieving basically nothing. Even those who argue
(05:06):
all but it started the debate wrong because if it's
floated for another day, and it may well be we
won't carry on where we left off. We'll have to
start all over again.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Is there a possibility that we've talked about this thing
that was never ever going to be a thing so
much now that people think that something has happened and
has been agreed on, and so it won't ever be.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Talking about every again. Probably not a guy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I can hope Canny rewrap now timon again. It's not
just my Husking, but many other people. They hold up
Singapore as a sort of a what's the word, an
aspirational kind of a place in terms of we should
aspire to be just like Singapore. Here's Mike with some
of the reasoning.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Mike stayed in one of the apartments in Singapore for
a week. The apartment was a house in the air,
one hundred and eighty squares dexel around, but no garaging,
no way to move with freedom. Like New Zealand, we
love standalone homes with the garage for our three cars.
Our lifestyle is too different to compare male wrong wrong,
wrong wrong. You will not find the person who is
more spookish on Singapore than I am. You're correct to
say that a lot of people live in apartments of
(06:16):
one hundred percent. Correct. You're also probably correct to suggest
you can get a regular house the way we would
understand it, with a garden and some palm trees. But
you'll be paying many, many, many, many many millions of
dollars for it, because the reason you pay so much
for housing in Singapore is quite simply, it's a tiny
place and there's five million people in it. However, also,
you are not going to be able to afford a
car because they're extraordinarily expensive. But then again, you don't
(06:38):
need a car because taxis are dirt cheap and the
public transport system is fantastic. But what Singapore offers us
all is a picture of the future of what could
be now. It doesn't have to be specifically the same
as Singapore, but Chris Bishop nailed it, and anyone who
ever goes to Singapore sees the same thing. It's about
spirit and it's about aspiration. Read the history of the
(07:00):
place where they were and where they are now, and
leek one you said, we're poor, we're third world. This
has to end and we're going to save our way
to prosperity. And everyone went, no, no, No, we're too poor,
we can't afford to save.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
No way.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Thirty forty years later, they don't what to do with
all the money. They're a magnet for the world. They
are a classic example of being a hub of inventing
themselves into a hub of producing nothing, and yet still
having the whole world come knock at their door and go,
how come you guys got to be so damned successful?
They are a great story to study.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Look, there's no doubt that all is all very impressive,
But back to the textas original point there though, it's
pretty much impossible for any remotely normal person to afford
like a house, a freehold house, you know, with a
deck and a barbecue, and car ownership is crazy expensive,
(08:01):
so you won't get one of those either.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And if you're a migrant worker.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
In Singapore, as far as I can tell, as pretty
much what the workforce has made up of, your living
conditions act quite as good as the actual.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Singaporeans living conditions per se. Don't get me wrong, I
like it there, but you know I'm not a margrant worker.
The rewrap right, pole time, Hang on, didn't we do
this last week? Why are we having all these poles? Polls.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Second one for the week courier out over the weekend
taken between the end of March beginning of April. National
thirty three and a half, Labor twenty nine point eight.
So that's psychological. The Greens eleven, This is another one
of these poles. I don't really believe, but I give
them to you anyway. The Green's eleven Act ten up
two point three. Really that amount of movement for what
no particular reason. New Zealand first seven point four up
(08:57):
two point three. So in other words, there's been a
five point swing, most of which appears to have come
from the Labor Party. So Labor voters suddenly Upton left
for Act, did they? You see my point? To party?
Murray down two point two. Anyway, the upshot of the
poll is the government retains power.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Then later on in the program, I've posited the theory
that perhaps Labor voters had in fact gone to National
and National had lost a similar amount.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Of voters to Act.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That's hard to know exactly what's going on, isn't it,
Because like weather forecasts.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Poles don't really mean anything. The re wrap, Yeah, you've
got to be careful about statistics. You have these statistics.
For example, So.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Here we go. If I said to you flying in
this country, you go disaster on time, no way? How
many cancelations? How many people do you know that jump
on a plane that never get there? How many people
jump on a plane that's always late? Well wrong? So
the Ministry of Transport numbers come out, they do these monthly.
It's the on time performance OTP in New Zealand's cancelation
(09:57):
rate zero zero point eight percent this January, middle of
the holidays, Jetstar zero point two. They've got fewer flights obviously,
so they don't need to cancel as many. Dunedin to
Aalkland the highest cancelation rate. Dunedin to Auckland one point
eight percent of flights canceled one hundred and twelve in total,
just two were canceled. Wellington Auckland four hundred and eighty
one flights five were canceled, that's one percent. Christ Church
(10:19):
to Auckland, Auckland to christ Church, Auckland to Wellington four
flights canceled over the whole months in total. So when
you add it all up for January, both airlines in
New Zealand and Jetstar there were three thousand, six hundred
and eleven flights scheduled in January between those two airlines,
twenty three were canceled, or zero point six percent. So
(10:41):
the theory is flying in this country as a problem.
The theory is you're always late. The theory is it's
always a problem wrong. Zero point six percent. That metric
for any business doing anything. In other words, ninety nine
point four percent of what you do happens when it's
supposed to happen. You would take all day long, do
(11:03):
not text me and say you don't believe the numbers.
Or you were on a flight going to Palmerston North
and it went upside down and round and round it
ended up in in the cargo because the facts don't lie.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Still, sort of think if even if one or two
out of every hundred flights don't happen the way they're
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's quite better, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, I know, it's like it's not brain surgery,
where if one or two out of every hundred brain
surgeries go bad, then that's those consequences are really bad.
But still, I mean, you've got the podcast statistics for example,
I mean, my failure rate here will be a lot higher.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
About sixty percent of the podcasts go bad, about twenty
percent are listenable, and then there's another twenty percent don't
know or all of the above that those are the
latest statistics I have to hand see if you can
be another one of the statistics with me tomorrow, I'll
(12:10):
see that the rap
Speaker 1 (12:19):
For more from News Talks at b Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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