February 4, 2025 • 14 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Nothing to Celebrate/Please Don't Fire Me/When You Say the Same Word Too Many Times/That Wraps it Up for Rugby/That Wraps it Up for UK Justice
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News talks'd be follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh goody there, and Welcome to the Rerap for Wednesday.
All the best buts from the Mike hosting breakfast on
News Dogs. They'd be in a sillier package. I'm greenhearted today.
Job numbers are looking a bit depressing, to be honest.
The Treaty principals bells submissions are open. Mike's had a look.
The great harkest scandal of last year has seeked into
(00:48):
this year thanks to some awesome management from the Rugby
Union and the Lucy Letbe case. It looks like it's
not over yet. But before any of that, we've got
a new fantastic export. It's going great. Unfortunately it's US Buckler.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Looks like I might agree with the Trade Union. Yes,
CTU policy director Craig Rennie is worried about the same
thing I'm worried about, and I think he's right to
be worried. What he's worried about is the possibility that
we will become a net exporter of population. Oh, the
ironya as an exporting nation as we've just been talking
about with the apples of one of the growth industries.
As it turns out to people, we're exporting people. If
(01:28):
you follow the migration story these past couple of years,
couple of large and some would argue alarming things have happened.
One a huge number of people have arrived. Two a
huge number of people have left. Things are sort of
starting to settle. The arrival numbers are tailing off, but
the departure numbers, although not breaking the records they were,
are still large. The key part of that numeric equation
is we're at a tipping point. It is more than
(01:50):
possible that if the arrival numbers drop just a little
bit more but the departure numbers don't, we will have
more people leaving than arriving. We will be a net
exporter of people. The really scary thing about that is
more than about maths who. It's the people. You know,
one in one out isn't and of itself a good thing.
Of the ouse is a brain surgeon, and the inn
(02:13):
is an uber driver. The overall picture, a shrinking population
is a disaster because for every person who thought too
many arrived and they had no houses, and that whole debate.
Having a shrinking population is as bad, if not worse, reputationally.
It's catastrophic the country no one wants to live and
think about it not normally a portrait of a robust, successful,
(02:35):
prosperous nation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
What it says is those looking to move here don't
fancy it. They pick somewhere else. Meantime, those already here
looked to leave for brighten, more appealing pastures. We are
the ugly girl in the corner of the school dance.
It's a reminder, as if we needed it, that this
country has a series of problems the size and severity
that we have not faced in many a long decade.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah. I was kind of with Mike up until that
ugly girl at the dance line, and that came a
bit out of the blue. Set me back up the
heels of this. Is that the sort of thing that's
okay to say? I don't even know if it was
ever okay to say something like that. I mean, not
(03:15):
all girls at the dance going to get ours to
dance because of the way they look. Some of them
have got terrible personalities.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's so rewrapped currently know where I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I didn't ad me to go that many dancers. I'm
going to be perfectly honest with you now, so yeah,
part of the problem is finding a job here. That's
not looking great either.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Job numbers of course today, and it's not the five
percent or the fire point one percent I'm worried about.
What I'm worried about is the attitude. The sad reality is,
as far as the numbers go, we've got a way
to go, apparently maybe five point five before the carnagens.
But if you want glass half full, it hasn't been
as bad as many had predicted, some said six percent.
It's kind of like the mortgage cliff they said was
going to happen, it didn't. The attitude is our real problem.
(04:03):
We shouldn't have, for example, a traffic light system because
we shouldn't need one. The new rules this week force
the job is to prove they have actively applied for something.
Shouldn't be a thing either. What should be a thing
is fear and loathing. If you lose your job, you
fear the consequences. Your life plan has interrupted. Things aren't
going your way. Your path to success is at a
speed bump. You need to hustle and get on with it.
What must not be forgotten is a lot of people
(04:24):
lose their jobs. I mean, we've all lost our jobs
for one reason or another over the years. What differentiate
most of us is you don't end up on job
Seeker or the doll as we once called it. You're
out heading the phones, printing the CBS, getting your face
and experience in front of others. We shouldn't have the
Hospital Association yet again calling on the government to change
visa settings for unskilled jobs when we have over one
(04:45):
hundred thousand people without work. But in that it course
is the rub I got sympathy for people who run
the cafes and can't get help. Why can't they because tragically,
in too many cases, you wouldn't want the help. The
help is useless because they don't want to work. For
those who can't find work in their chosen field, the
factor government has to make you attend reskilling courses says
(05:05):
a lot about you. Why wouldn't you want to reskill?
Why wouldn't you want to make yourself more attractive? The
participation rate is always the number to watch today, bet
you anything you want, it's down. It's people giving up.
So we have a vicious cycle, a dead end economy
where some tragically who were working aren't, some who aren't
working and don't want to, and people looking for help
with work who can't find anyone so they want visa
(05:27):
settings adjusted. So it does not paint a healthy, prosperous,
getting ahead sort of picture. Doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, ironically,
because the thing I'm going to say is that I
think this sort of thing is cyclical. There are always
going to be good times and bad times with the economy,
with the job market, stuff like that. And another thing
I'll say again is, please don't find me while we're
(05:54):
having a bad time in the job market. Let's be honest,
who'd want to hire me?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So the Treaty Principles Bill is the go no where
piece of legislation that somehow it just keeps on giving
and giving.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I read that a submission. It's the first full submission
I've read so far of the Treaty Principle's hearings, which
are ongoing. It's written by David Harvey. It was on
the Newsroom website. He runs Internet's Law Internet dot Law,
dot Endz. He's a retired district court judge. It's a
proceeed version, but not that proceed It was short, it
(06:28):
was succinct. I don't think you can argue with it.
And this is what he said. He starts by going,
I'm a retired district court judge. Edmund Burke, reference to
a British politician of the seventeen hundreds, thought that society
is an enterprise that promotes the interests of all parties,
and that partnership depends on respecting those interests. Burke believed
(06:48):
that the ends of this partnership cannot be achieved in
a single generation, so it is a partnership between multiple generations.
Government is a liberal democracy, or in a liberal democracy,
involves the government on the one hand and the governed
on the other. Government is a liberal democracy governs with
the consent of the governed. The consent of the governed
legitimizes government expressed by regular plebisites. The consent of the
(07:09):
governed may be withdrawn by the plebiscite, in which case
a new government governs with the consent of the governed.
These arrangements are in the nature of a partnership, as
articulated by Burke, between the government and the governed. An
element of that partnership is that the government will govern
in the best interests of everyone that includes groups of
the governed and naturally includes Mara. The description of the
(07:29):
bill as simplistic is based on a misunderstanding of its
purpose and substantive content. The bill, by implication, incorporates all
the existing principles that have been developed and articulated. Rather
than suppliant or replace the treaty or supplant it should
say supplant or replace the treaty. It enhances its meaning
as a guiding document for the proper governance of New Zealand.
(07:50):
I submit that the bill should be reported back to
the House with a recommendation that it precedes. It can't
get any simpler than that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Can how many times it might say government governed or
govern That's all I can think about by the end
of it, and I couldn't concentrate on anything else. Isn't
it sad to say word again and again and again
and again and again and again again.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's a rewrap.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So this whole tj Per Andara getting all political. At
the beginning of the Harker thing, Guess what the Rugby
Union basically tried to sweep it all under the rug,
and now it's they've flapped out in the rug, they've
given it a shake and it's all come out again.
(08:37):
Is that really an analogy metaphor?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Here's the key to the scandal. I raised it at
the time. I said, there was no way in the
world TJ was doing that with everybody's knowledge, No way
in the world. I won't name names, but I know
some people and I can tell you right now that
they were looking at that and these are people in
the All Blacks. They were looking at that game. What
the hell happened there? So finally the story is out
in the Herald this morning. Here's the key to it.
(09:01):
Piran Aara, because it was his final game, wanted a
solo show, so he was going to not just leave
the Harker, but he was going to give you a
little bit of something beforehand. Wouldn't tell anybody what that
was going to be, Red Flag number one, wouldn't tell
anybody what it was going to be. Message of unity,
he said a few hours. I quote the story a
(09:21):
few of course. At this point it's a lot of
angst in the All Blacks, and you can see why
New Zealand rugby is in the state it's in Because
there was angst all over the place a few hours
before kickoff, the coaching and management group, as well as
a few players, became aware that Perinara was no longer
willing to lead the Harker without being able to offer
a message of unity. So, in other words, he was
blackmailing them red flag number two. At that point, you say, TJ,
(09:45):
tell us what it is. You're on the bench. Simple
as that, the specifics of what exactly would be said
were never discussed. Red flag. How many red flags?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You want?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
New Zealand Rugby Union and you want it? Of course
they were ringing us last night. They could not come
on this program fast enough to explain them. Oh hold
on what, Oh no, sorry, no one's available to defend themselves,
as per usual with the New Zealand Rugby Union. And
you wonder why rugby's in the state it's in. TJ goes, hey,
(10:18):
I want to do something special. And the rest read
the whole story. It is everything that is wrong with
one rugby in two New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, it's funny, how isn't it? Rugby somewhere along the
way stop being a religion and just became another sport.
I wonder if that'll ever happen with any other religions.
Stop being silly being carry on with the podcast The
rep right. So Lucy let be perhaps one of the
(10:53):
most infamous murderers and British history, except it turns out
she might not actually be a murderer at all.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I said earlier at the start of the program, I
think this is certainly the story of the day of
not the story of the week of, not story of
the year. This let be case in Britain. Lucy let
be nurse global headlines when she got stuck in jail
for fifteen life sentences, and yet today up until we
had to drum up a bit of interest in our
newsroom in this story because it wasn't around the place
until we alluded them to it. There's a group of
(11:21):
experts from a variety of countries. There's are medical experts.
They backed by a veteran MP guy called Sir David Davis,
who we featured earlier on in the program. The chair
of this particular panels a retired medical called medical called
Dr Shu Lee. Panel of experts from Canada, the US, Japan, Germany,
Sweden and the UK. They looked at all seventeen cases.
Lucy let Be was found guilty of seven murders and
(11:44):
attempted on another seven, So there's a fourteen strong panel.
They've looked at each and every one of the cases.
They can argue medically there was no murder. She did
not murder any babies. They've got significant new evidence. She's
serving fifteen whole life sentences seven babies, attempted to murder
seven others, so they've got them down to natural causes.
(12:06):
Alleged others were due to substand care. So they're now
looking to go to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. And
you've got to ask yourself, And Davis said this himself.
He said, this might well be one of the greatest
injustices in the modern justice system. In our opinion, the
(12:27):
medical opinion, the medical evidence does not support murder in
any of these bas It's not like they can't explain
three they can explain every single one of them. Now,
if they're right, explain to me how the British justice
system was able to hear both signs of the equation
and come up with a conclusion they did, And if
(12:49):
they are right, the medics and they can prove that
they are right, and she gets let out. How worried
about the British judicial process are you?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's very strange. I seem to come out of left
field or a right field. Really, David Davis is the
man behind an editory MP. But yeah, they're basically saying
no evidence of murder, just bad medicine. So but I
(13:18):
guess the jury felt that the medicine was bad enough
that it constituted murder. But very very strange, I am,
Glen Hart. I'm going to leave myself with this confused
look on my face for about forty eight hours actually,
because White Tangy Day tomorrow. Somebody kindly got in touch
with me to explain why it wasn't It's not Monday, eyed,
(13:41):
it is Monday eyes, but only if it falls in
the weekend. That's where the Monday ezing happens. And given
all the the handwringing and wailing and nashing of teeth
that seems to been going on about everybody taking Friday
off this year, surely they should have done what I
thought they'd done, but they hadn't done at all, was
always just have it on a Monday, just put it
(14:04):
on the closest Monday to the actual date, and then
you don't have any of these issues for you anyway.
I'll see you Friday. That's the upshot of all there.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
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The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh goody there, and Welcome to the Rerap for Wednesday.
All the best buts from the Mike hosting breakfast on
News Dogs. They'd be in a sillier package. I'm greenhearted today.
Job numbers are looking a bit depressing, to be honest.
The Treaty principals bells submissions are open. Mike's had a look.
The great harkest scandal of last year has seeked into
(00:48):
this year thanks to some awesome management from the Rugby
Union and the Lucy Letbe case. It looks like it's
not over yet. But before any of that, we've got
a new fantastic export. It's going great. Unfortunately it's US Buckler.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Looks like I might agree with the Trade Union. Yes,
CTU policy director Craig Rennie is worried about the same
thing I'm worried about, and I think he's right to
be worried. What he's worried about is the possibility that
we will become a net exporter of population. Oh, the
ironya as an exporting nation as we've just been talking
about with the apples of one of the growth industries.
As it turns out to people, we're exporting people. If
(01:28):
you follow the migration story these past couple of years,
couple of large and some would argue alarming things have happened.
One a huge number of people have arrived. Two a
huge number of people have left. Things are sort of
starting to settle. The arrival numbers are tailing off, but
the departure numbers, although not breaking the records they were,
are still large. The key part of that numeric equation
is we're at a tipping point. It is more than
(01:50):
possible that if the arrival numbers drop just a little
bit more but the departure numbers don't, we will have
more people leaving than arriving. We will be a net
exporter of people. The really scary thing about that is
more than about maths who. It's the people. You know,
one in one out isn't and of itself a good thing.
Of the ouse is a brain surgeon, and the inn
(02:13):
is an uber driver. The overall picture, a shrinking population
is a disaster because for every person who thought too
many arrived and they had no houses, and that whole debate.
Having a shrinking population is as bad, if not worse, reputationally.
It's catastrophic the country no one wants to live and
think about it not normally a portrait of a robust, successful,
(02:35):
prosperous nation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
What it says is those looking to move here don't
fancy it. They pick somewhere else. Meantime, those already here
looked to leave for brighten, more appealing pastures. We are
the ugly girl in the corner of the school dance.
It's a reminder, as if we needed it, that this
country has a series of problems the size and severity
that we have not faced in many a long decade.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah. I was kind of with Mike up until that
ugly girl at the dance line, and that came a
bit out of the blue. Set me back up the
heels of this. Is that the sort of thing that's
okay to say? I don't even know if it was
ever okay to say something like that. I mean, not
(03:15):
all girls at the dance going to get ours to
dance because of the way they look. Some of them
have got terrible personalities.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's so rewrapped currently know where I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I didn't ad me to go that many dancers. I'm
going to be perfectly honest with you now, so yeah,
part of the problem is finding a job here. That's
not looking great either.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Job numbers of course today, and it's not the five
percent or the fire point one percent I'm worried about.
What I'm worried about is the attitude. The sad reality is,
as far as the numbers go, we've got a way
to go, apparently maybe five point five before the carnagens.
But if you want glass half full, it hasn't been
as bad as many had predicted, some said six percent.
It's kind of like the mortgage cliff they said was
going to happen, it didn't. The attitude is our real problem.
(04:03):
We shouldn't have, for example, a traffic light system because
we shouldn't need one. The new rules this week force
the job is to prove they have actively applied for something.
Shouldn't be a thing either. What should be a thing
is fear and loathing. If you lose your job, you
fear the consequences. Your life plan has interrupted. Things aren't
going your way. Your path to success is at a
speed bump. You need to hustle and get on with it.
What must not be forgotten is a lot of people
(04:24):
lose their jobs. I mean, we've all lost our jobs
for one reason or another over the years. What differentiate
most of us is you don't end up on job
Seeker or the doll as we once called it. You're
out heading the phones, printing the CBS, getting your face
and experience in front of others. We shouldn't have the
Hospital Association yet again calling on the government to change
visa settings for unskilled jobs when we have over one
(04:45):
hundred thousand people without work. But in that it course
is the rub I got sympathy for people who run
the cafes and can't get help. Why can't they because tragically,
in too many cases, you wouldn't want the help. The
help is useless because they don't want to work. For
those who can't find work in their chosen field, the
factor government has to make you attend reskilling courses says
(05:05):
a lot about you. Why wouldn't you want to reskill?
Why wouldn't you want to make yourself more attractive? The
participation rate is always the number to watch today, bet
you anything you want, it's down. It's people giving up.
So we have a vicious cycle, a dead end economy
where some tragically who were working aren't, some who aren't
working and don't want to, and people looking for help
with work who can't find anyone so they want visa
(05:27):
settings adjusted. So it does not paint a healthy, prosperous,
getting ahead sort of picture. Doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, ironically,
because the thing I'm going to say is that I
think this sort of thing is cyclical. There are always
going to be good times and bad times with the economy,
with the job market, stuff like that. And another thing
I'll say again is, please don't find me while we're
(05:54):
having a bad time in the job market. Let's be honest,
who'd want to hire me?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So the Treaty Principles Bill is the go no where
piece of legislation that somehow it just keeps on giving
and giving.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I read that a submission. It's the first full submission
I've read so far of the Treaty Principle's hearings, which
are ongoing. It's written by David Harvey. It was on
the Newsroom website. He runs Internet's Law Internet dot Law,
dot Endz. He's a retired district court judge. It's a
proceeed version, but not that proceed It was short, it
(06:28):
was succinct. I don't think you can argue with it.
And this is what he said. He starts by going,
I'm a retired district court judge. Edmund Burke, reference to
a British politician of the seventeen hundreds, thought that society
is an enterprise that promotes the interests of all parties,
and that partnership depends on respecting those interests. Burke believed
(06:48):
that the ends of this partnership cannot be achieved in
a single generation, so it is a partnership between multiple generations.
Government is a liberal democracy, or in a liberal democracy,
involves the government on the one hand and the governed
on the other. Government is a liberal democracy governs with
the consent of the governed. The consent of the governed
legitimizes government expressed by regular plebisites. The consent of the
(07:09):
governed may be withdrawn by the plebiscite, in which case
a new government governs with the consent of the governed.
These arrangements are in the nature of a partnership, as
articulated by Burke, between the government and the governed. An
element of that partnership is that the government will govern
in the best interests of everyone that includes groups of
the governed and naturally includes Mara. The description of the
(07:29):
bill as simplistic is based on a misunderstanding of its
purpose and substantive content. The bill, by implication, incorporates all
the existing principles that have been developed and articulated. Rather
than suppliant or replace the treaty or supplant it should
say supplant or replace the treaty. It enhances its meaning
as a guiding document for the proper governance of New Zealand.
(07:50):
I submit that the bill should be reported back to
the House with a recommendation that it precedes. It can't
get any simpler than that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Can how many times it might say government governed or
govern That's all I can think about by the end
of it, and I couldn't concentrate on anything else. Isn't
it sad to say word again and again and again
and again and again and again again.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's a rewrap.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So this whole tj Per Andara getting all political. At
the beginning of the Harker thing, Guess what the Rugby
Union basically tried to sweep it all under the rug,
and now it's they've flapped out in the rug, they've
given it a shake and it's all come out again.
(08:37):
Is that really an analogy metaphor?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Here's the key to the scandal. I raised it at
the time. I said, there was no way in the
world TJ was doing that with everybody's knowledge, No way
in the world. I won't name names, but I know
some people and I can tell you right now that
they were looking at that and these are people in
the All Blacks. They were looking at that game. What
the hell happened there? So finally the story is out
in the Herald this morning. Here's the key to it.
(09:01):
Piran Aara, because it was his final game, wanted a
solo show, so he was going to not just leave
the Harker, but he was going to give you a
little bit of something beforehand. Wouldn't tell anybody what that
was going to be, Red Flag number one, wouldn't tell
anybody what it was going to be. Message of unity,
he said a few hours. I quote the story a
(09:21):
few of course. At this point it's a lot of
angst in the All Blacks, and you can see why
New Zealand rugby is in the state it's in Because
there was angst all over the place a few hours
before kickoff, the coaching and management group, as well as
a few players, became aware that Perinara was no longer
willing to lead the Harker without being able to offer
a message of unity. So, in other words, he was
blackmailing them red flag number two. At that point, you say, TJ,
(09:45):
tell us what it is. You're on the bench. Simple
as that, the specifics of what exactly would be said
were never discussed. Red flag. How many red flags?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You want?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
New Zealand Rugby Union and you want it? Of course
they were ringing us last night. They could not come
on this program fast enough to explain them. Oh hold
on what, Oh no, sorry, no one's available to defend themselves,
as per usual with the New Zealand Rugby Union. And
you wonder why rugby's in the state it's in. TJ goes, hey,
(10:18):
I want to do something special. And the rest read
the whole story. It is everything that is wrong with
one rugby in two New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, it's funny, how isn't it? Rugby somewhere along the
way stop being a religion and just became another sport.
I wonder if that'll ever happen with any other religions.
Stop being silly being carry on with the podcast The
rep right. So Lucy let be perhaps one of the
(10:53):
most infamous murderers and British history, except it turns out
she might not actually be a murderer at all.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I said earlier at the start of the program, I
think this is certainly the story of the day of
not the story of the week of, not story of
the year. This let be case in Britain. Lucy let
be nurse global headlines when she got stuck in jail
for fifteen life sentences, and yet today up until we
had to drum up a bit of interest in our
newsroom in this story because it wasn't around the place
until we alluded them to it. There's a group of
(11:21):
experts from a variety of countries. There's are medical experts.
They backed by a veteran MP guy called Sir David Davis,
who we featured earlier on in the program. The chair
of this particular panels a retired medical called medical called
Dr Shu Lee. Panel of experts from Canada, the US, Japan, Germany,
Sweden and the UK. They looked at all seventeen cases.
Lucy let Be was found guilty of seven murders and
(11:44):
attempted on another seven, So there's a fourteen strong panel.
They've looked at each and every one of the cases.
They can argue medically there was no murder. She did
not murder any babies. They've got significant new evidence. She's
serving fifteen whole life sentences seven babies, attempted to murder
seven others, so they've got them down to natural causes.
(12:06):
Alleged others were due to substand care. So they're now
looking to go to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. And
you've got to ask yourself, And Davis said this himself.
He said, this might well be one of the greatest
injustices in the modern justice system. In our opinion, the
(12:27):
medical opinion, the medical evidence does not support murder in
any of these bas It's not like they can't explain
three they can explain every single one of them. Now,
if they're right, explain to me how the British justice
system was able to hear both signs of the equation
and come up with a conclusion they did, And if
(12:49):
they are right, the medics and they can prove that
they are right, and she gets let out. How worried
about the British judicial process are you?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's very strange. I seem to come out of left
field or a right field. Really, David Davis is the
man behind an editory MP. But yeah, they're basically saying
no evidence of murder, just bad medicine. So but I
(13:18):
guess the jury felt that the medicine was bad enough
that it constituted murder. But very very strange, I am,
Glen Hart. I'm going to leave myself with this confused
look on my face for about forty eight hours actually,
because White Tangy Day tomorrow. Somebody kindly got in touch
with me to explain why it wasn't It's not Monday, eyed,
(13:41):
it is Monday eyes, but only if it falls in
the weekend. That's where the Monday ezing happens. And given
all the the handwringing and wailing and nashing of teeth
that seems to been going on about everybody taking Friday
off this year, surely they should have done what I
thought they'd done, but they hadn't done at all, was
always just have it on a Monday, just put it
(14:04):
on the closest Monday to the actual date, and then
you don't have any of these issues for you anyway.
I'll see you Friday. That's the upshot of all there.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
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