November 4, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) ...Are Not the People I Like/Comparing Crime-Free Capitals/Making the Innocent Pay/About Siouxsie/Coffee Kiosk Update
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The rewrap O, Good Idea and Welcome to the rewrap.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
For Wednesday, all the best bits from the mic asking
Breakfast on Newsdalk ZEDB in a sillier package.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today Wellington has won an
award Wait to hear what for court costs?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Why is it that the people who are vindicated in
court still have to pay? One of those people is
Susie Wiles. Mike has some sort of nice things to
say about her. Surprisingly, and then we'll finish up with
an update on the coffee kiosk here at enzed me,
because I know you've been dying to find out about that.
But before any of that, education reform and water safety,
(01:07):
what have theyquesson.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
For you this morning? Is the Water Safety Council the
same as the Teacher's Council? And if they are, are
we at last seeing some people held to account? Now
the Education Minister, in Urzella's quest to improve our kids
educational lot, has lined up the Teaching Council for an overhaul.
Now the union say it's a power grab, which it
most certainly is, and not a moment too soon, as
far as I'm concerned, In a nutshell, more people who
run it will be appointed by the minister than elected.
(01:31):
Why because the council is clearly hopeless. Two recent reports
were cited that essentially involved new teachers not being remotely
ready to teach. It astonished me when it first came
to light that a lot of new teachers don't feel ready.
They hadn't had the classroom time, They didn't appear to
have the knowledge for the subjects they were teaching. Why why, why,
oh why not? Education by far too many measures is
(01:52):
of course a gobsmacking failure in this country, whether it
be attendance or results or qualifications, and the Union still
defend it with the writer, of course, the old boring writer,
that more money would make it so much different, despite
the fact that more money hasn't and doesn't make it different.
Too much of it is clearly about regiment and stifling authoritarianism.
Then water Safety acc pulled yesterday the sponsorship plague. Why
(02:14):
because people still drown now? To be fair to water Safety,
I think people have always drowned and always will, and
telling people not to drown isn't really an effective tool.
A lot of idiocy goes into drowning, not always, but
a lot, and bodies charged with campaigns and awareness weeks
don't get a lot of cut through with idiots. It's
one thing you see to debate philosophy or ideology amid
(02:35):
a backdrop of debatable results. But the beauty of data
is it's sort of black and white. If kids fail
and people drown, and you are playing a part in
improving it and it isn't improving, then at some point
someone's got to take that on the chin. The country
is festooned with bodies and groups and charities and do
good as an Awareness week champions, but too often it's
(02:56):
a mess. It's piecemeal, it's ineffective. But to feel good,
we don't ask too many questions. At least in these
two cases, that's changed, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think I'm just not a fan of counsels.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I've spent a lot of this year saying that I'm
not for councils because of the local body of electors.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But any kind of council really it seems like that's
that's just.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
They could be referred to as meeting people a bunch
of meeting people who just like to have meetings, and
I'm definitely not.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
A fan of O's so rewrap.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now one city that's pretty famous for giving a whole
lot of meeting people together for meetings as Wellington, and
they won an award not for meetings though.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
My favorite story of the morning, I think is the
Wellington City Council who have won an International City Safety
Awards and congratulations on that are for the quote unquote
measurable success in reducing crime, which point you obviously go
if you're in Wellington or know anything about Wellington, go,
But wait a minute, is crime reducing enough? Of course
it's not. Crime is actually on the rise. So anyway,
(03:58):
the seven points are million pon Necky Promise. So that
came out in twenty twenty one. The promise is now
on the United States based Herman gold Goldstein Award. Do
you reckon Herman knew the Elliott flow.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I think they discord together it.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I think that did excellence and problem oriented policing, which
recognized outstanding problem solving initiatives that achieved measurable success in
reducing crime, disorder and public safety challenges. The submission was
made by the police. The police victimization data, which is
publicly available on the website by the Way, shows that
crime has increased in that time. Crime was trending up
(04:35):
across the whole Wellington City Council area and in the
the wider Wellington region. But the data in the Fence
Council spokesperson Richard mclin the data used to win the
award was quote unquote a bespoke boundary, Isn't it always?
Isn't it always?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's felt like how I'm frequently confused In Washington, d C.
You know, they put Judge Janine in their first clean
up crime and Trump we're now in patrol and declared
that Washington was crime free. And it seems like every
second day she's doing a press conference about somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The crime is arrested, crimes.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
The crime up, was the crime down? Facts and figures.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Ain't like those stories they always do about, you know,
drug busts at the border and I can even and
I'm never quite sure whether that and yeah, depending on
who's in charge, and they'll say, you know, having any
drugs with seas at the border in the last year,
so that's good or compared to the year before, when
(05:34):
somebody else was in charge when they had recorded that
numbers seized, And I'm never quite sure whether that there's
good or bad. That doesn't mean that there's more drugs
coming through that they're not catching, but somehow they've stopped
the drugs coming through, the same sort of thing with
the crime. It's like we've made all these arrests. Is
(05:55):
that because there's more crime or this crime? Anyway? I
guess if you're crime free, nobody has to play any
court cousts, so that'd be good.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So here's a lineup Elex Salmon, former Head of Scotland,
Dame no Lean Tawrula, and Susie Wilds. You remember Susie Wiles's microbiologist. Anyway,
The Salmon family this week is wanting their estate made
bankrupt comes out of a judicial review over the handling
of a couple of complaints against him by civil servants
that turned out to be tainted. In other words, his
defense was successful, but the cost of winning proved too high.
(06:24):
Noel Lean, I got no idea what her lawyers cost,
but you would hope as part of the deal she
gets the bill covered, but you know what, I doubt it.
And then Susie Wiles. Now you may remember she took
her employer, the Auckland University, to court and she won.
She took mediation, arbitration, went back and forward and for
a while ad Ultimately they ended up in court and
during COVID she was harassed. She claimed her employer should
have done more to protect her. She has now launched
(06:46):
a crowdfunding page to help pay for her bills. Now,
the commonality here is all three appear to be on
the right side. They have been wronged, they have had
to defend themselves, and yet all three appear now to
be out of pocket for the experience. Wiles has spent thousands,
hundreds of thousands of fact I think from reading six
hundred thousand dollars plus. She's taken out loans here and
a husband. She's won, she's one, but she's paying off loans. Inherently,
(07:11):
there's a fault in the law. Don't you think of me?
The costs, even when awarded, never cover the bill. My
question is why not is justice really served or seen
to be done. If you can be victorious, if you
can defend your name, your honor, your reputation, and still
go broke, doesn't that mean, the deepest pocket's always going
to triumph the state v. Salmon, a sport via coach,
(07:31):
a university via microbiologist. It's one thing to settle. Yes,
it saves court time. But do you settle because you
would be broke if you didn't? Is being broke and
right worth? It? Is launching a crowdfunding a bit acceptable
when you didn't do anything wrong? Is the justice system
serving as properly when even the victorious and the validated
aren't really winners.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
What I do know is that I've been to a
number of graduation ceremonies at Laukland University, and man, there
are a lot of lawyers out there, so I guess
they've got to do something the.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Re rapit right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So yeah, Mike mentioned Susie Wiles earlier. He's never been
particularly sympathetic towards Susie Wilds.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't think I'll try and let him explain.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Susie Wiles, Mike sought the limelight, she reveled in it.
She's a narcissist. Now, this is why I did what
I did this morning. So my point is, and you
fail to see it. Whether you like Susie wils I
personally am not a particular fan of hers. We sort
of banned her from the program after a while during
the COVID period because if you asked me to observe
her behavior in the public domain, I tend to agree
(08:43):
with you. I tend to think she rebeled in it,
and I think she was permanently available to talk about
her particular area in the media. You might remember she
got herself in dreadful trouble because she was cycling, or
remember she cycled through town and broke a lockdown and
got all that sort of stuff. But she became sort
of one of the lovies, one of the adernites, and so,
(09:05):
but that's not the point. The point. Whether you like
her or not is not the point. The point is
she took her employer to an official through an official
procedure that involved mediation and arbitration and eventually ended up
in court, and she won. The fact you like it,
doesn't well, don't like it, doesn't matter. The fact she
said the employer should have protected her more is the case,
(09:27):
and it was the case that was ruled on and
she won. But in winning, she's had to take out
loans of six hundred thousand dollars and she's still paying
that off, hence her save me fundme page that she's
now appealing for. So your personal view is irrelevant because
it's a procedure that I'm talking about. And my point being,
if you're going to take a procedure and you're going
(09:48):
to win in that procedure, what's the point of taking
a winning in the procedure if all you do is
run yourself bankrupt? And I gave you three reasonably good
examples of that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I guess I'm just always a little bit suspicious of
people who spell their names weirdly, So I don't actually
know why Susie Wiles has got the same first name
as Susie in the band she Great, So it's like
Cindy And at the beginning, I'm intimidated by people.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
With exits and their names.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Basically the re wrap right, Finally, you guys have been
asking for it, So here it is an update on
what's going on with the coffee chaosk outside in me.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Mike, has anything happened with your mafia run coffee cant
in the court? Yeah? What an excellent question and the
answer is no, And I'm deeply sad about it, and
the longer it goes, there was that flurry of activity.
What was a couple of weeks ago? Maybe people they
came along. It was on, wasn't it? It was on? We
thought something is happening. What did someone say it was
going to be bubble tea or something weird? Juice Bar,
(10:53):
we had a rumor? Was that just a rumor? Another
one of Sam's rumor's juice Bar.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I don't think it was excellent.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
More somebody else in this in this room, and somebody
who comes in during the news breaks, who might have spread.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The Jason again, juice Ber do think, well, anyway, nothing
is the upshot. But I look at that every morning
and I see potential. I see a place where business
can be done. And it's just a matter. I thought
I would have thought coffee worked, but it clearly didn't.
So they cleaned it all out. It's sat there for
a while. It's this little just for people are going,
what the hell is you beinging on about? Now? There's
(11:23):
a courtyard out the side of our building. And in
the courtyard is this, for want of a better word,
a glass cabin. And in the glass cabin was a
coffee machine and muffins for a while and a few
people and it just never worked as a business. But
it's a nice looking.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's quite a cool piece of architecture.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It's a good piece of architecture and it deserves life.
And I'm just trying to work out if coffee doesn't work,
what can.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Could they put in a mini golf down there?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
And then it could be the chiosk that you get
your clubs from you and your ice creams when you're finished.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You'd need a course which would That's what I'm saying.
We've then got room for the course. We only got
ready to be challenging it to be a challenging course,
a virtual course.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I reckon you could do it, and I think you
have that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You've got those cool workplaces where they have table in
his tables or foods, ball pinball machine. I couldn't have
a mini golf called imagine the morale, the worker morale
if you go out for around a mini golf and you're.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Doing a bit of stress.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Great, not to mention, you know, buying yourself a trumpet
at the end, stop being silly.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, let's see to the podcast said until tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'll see you then.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The rewrap O, Good Idea and Welcome to the rewrap.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
For Wednesday, all the best bits from the mic asking
Breakfast on Newsdalk ZEDB in a sillier package.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today Wellington has won an
award Wait to hear what for court costs?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Why is it that the people who are vindicated in
court still have to pay? One of those people is
Susie Wiles. Mike has some sort of nice things to
say about her. Surprisingly, and then we'll finish up with
an update on the coffee kiosk here at enzed me,
because I know you've been dying to find out about that.
But before any of that, education reform and water safety,
(01:07):
what have theyquesson.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
For you this morning? Is the Water Safety Council the
same as the Teacher's Council? And if they are, are
we at last seeing some people held to account? Now
the Education Minister, in Urzella's quest to improve our kids
educational lot, has lined up the Teaching Council for an overhaul.
Now the union say it's a power grab, which it
most certainly is, and not a moment too soon, as
far as I'm concerned, In a nutshell, more people who
run it will be appointed by the minister than elected.
(01:31):
Why because the council is clearly hopeless. Two recent reports
were cited that essentially involved new teachers not being remotely
ready to teach. It astonished me when it first came
to light that a lot of new teachers don't feel ready.
They hadn't had the classroom time, They didn't appear to
have the knowledge for the subjects they were teaching. Why why, why,
oh why not? Education by far too many measures is
(01:52):
of course a gobsmacking failure in this country, whether it
be attendance or results or qualifications, and the Union still
defend it with the writer, of course, the old boring writer,
that more money would make it so much different, despite
the fact that more money hasn't and doesn't make it different.
Too much of it is clearly about regiment and stifling authoritarianism.
Then water Safety acc pulled yesterday the sponsorship plague. Why
(02:14):
because people still drown now? To be fair to water Safety,
I think people have always drowned and always will, and
telling people not to drown isn't really an effective tool.
A lot of idiocy goes into drowning, not always, but
a lot, and bodies charged with campaigns and awareness weeks
don't get a lot of cut through with idiots. It's
one thing you see to debate philosophy or ideology amid
(02:35):
a backdrop of debatable results. But the beauty of data
is it's sort of black and white. If kids fail
and people drown, and you are playing a part in
improving it and it isn't improving, then at some point
someone's got to take that on the chin. The country
is festooned with bodies and groups and charities and do
good as an Awareness week champions, but too often it's
(02:56):
a mess. It's piecemeal, it's ineffective. But to feel good,
we don't ask too many questions. At least in these
two cases, that's changed, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think I'm just not a fan of counsels.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I've spent a lot of this year saying that I'm
not for councils because of the local body of electors.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But any kind of council really it seems like that's
that's just.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
They could be referred to as meeting people a bunch
of meeting people who just like to have meetings, and
I'm definitely not.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
A fan of O's so rewrap.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now one city that's pretty famous for giving a whole
lot of meeting people together for meetings as Wellington, and
they won an award not for meetings though.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
My favorite story of the morning, I think is the
Wellington City Council who have won an International City Safety
Awards and congratulations on that are for the quote unquote
measurable success in reducing crime, which point you obviously go
if you're in Wellington or know anything about Wellington, go,
But wait a minute, is crime reducing enough? Of course
it's not. Crime is actually on the rise. So anyway,
(03:58):
the seven points are million pon Necky Promise. So that
came out in twenty twenty one. The promise is now
on the United States based Herman gold Goldstein Award. Do
you reckon Herman knew the Elliott flow.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I think they discord together it.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I think that did excellence and problem oriented policing, which
recognized outstanding problem solving initiatives that achieved measurable success in
reducing crime, disorder and public safety challenges. The submission was
made by the police. The police victimization data, which is
publicly available on the website by the Way, shows that
crime has increased in that time. Crime was trending up
(04:35):
across the whole Wellington City Council area and in the
the wider Wellington region. But the data in the Fence
Council spokesperson Richard mclin the data used to win the
award was quote unquote a bespoke boundary, Isn't it always?
Isn't it always?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's felt like how I'm frequently confused In Washington, d C.
You know, they put Judge Janine in their first clean
up crime and Trump we're now in patrol and declared
that Washington was crime free. And it seems like every
second day she's doing a press conference about somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The crime is arrested, crimes.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
The crime up, was the crime down? Facts and figures.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Ain't like those stories they always do about, you know,
drug busts at the border and I can even and
I'm never quite sure whether that and yeah, depending on
who's in charge, and they'll say, you know, having any
drugs with seas at the border in the last year,
so that's good or compared to the year before, when
(05:34):
somebody else was in charge when they had recorded that
numbers seized, And I'm never quite sure whether that there's
good or bad. That doesn't mean that there's more drugs
coming through that they're not catching, but somehow they've stopped
the drugs coming through, the same sort of thing with
the crime. It's like we've made all these arrests. Is
(05:55):
that because there's more crime or this crime? Anyway? I
guess if you're crime free, nobody has to play any
court cousts, so that'd be good.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So here's a lineup Elex Salmon, former Head of Scotland,
Dame no Lean Tawrula, and Susie Wilds. You remember Susie Wiles's microbiologist. Anyway,
The Salmon family this week is wanting their estate made
bankrupt comes out of a judicial review over the handling
of a couple of complaints against him by civil servants
that turned out to be tainted. In other words, his
defense was successful, but the cost of winning proved too high.
(06:24):
Noel Lean, I got no idea what her lawyers cost,
but you would hope as part of the deal she
gets the bill covered, but you know what, I doubt it.
And then Susie Wiles. Now you may remember she took
her employer, the Auckland University, to court and she won.
She took mediation, arbitration, went back and forward and for
a while ad Ultimately they ended up in court and
during COVID she was harassed. She claimed her employer should
have done more to protect her. She has now launched
(06:46):
a crowdfunding page to help pay for her bills. Now,
the commonality here is all three appear to be on
the right side. They have been wronged, they have had
to defend themselves, and yet all three appear now to
be out of pocket for the experience. Wiles has spent thousands,
hundreds of thousands of fact I think from reading six
hundred thousand dollars plus. She's taken out loans here and
a husband. She's won, she's one, but she's paying off loans. Inherently,
(07:11):
there's a fault in the law. Don't you think of me?
The costs, even when awarded, never cover the bill. My
question is why not is justice really served or seen
to be done. If you can be victorious, if you
can defend your name, your honor, your reputation, and still
go broke, doesn't that mean, the deepest pocket's always going
to triumph the state v. Salmon, a sport via coach,
(07:31):
a university via microbiologist. It's one thing to settle. Yes,
it saves court time. But do you settle because you
would be broke if you didn't? Is being broke and
right worth? It? Is launching a crowdfunding a bit acceptable
when you didn't do anything wrong? Is the justice system
serving as properly when even the victorious and the validated
aren't really winners.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
What I do know is that I've been to a
number of graduation ceremonies at Laukland University, and man, there
are a lot of lawyers out there, so I guess
they've got to do something the.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Re rapit right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So yeah, Mike mentioned Susie Wiles earlier. He's never been
particularly sympathetic towards Susie Wilds.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't think I'll try and let him explain.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Susie Wiles, Mike sought the limelight, she reveled in it.
She's a narcissist. Now, this is why I did what
I did this morning. So my point is, and you
fail to see it. Whether you like Susie wils I
personally am not a particular fan of hers. We sort
of banned her from the program after a while during
the COVID period because if you asked me to observe
her behavior in the public domain, I tend to agree
(08:43):
with you. I tend to think she rebeled in it,
and I think she was permanently available to talk about
her particular area in the media. You might remember she
got herself in dreadful trouble because she was cycling, or
remember she cycled through town and broke a lockdown and
got all that sort of stuff. But she became sort
of one of the lovies, one of the adernites, and so,
(09:05):
but that's not the point. The point. Whether you like
her or not is not the point. The point is
she took her employer to an official through an official
procedure that involved mediation and arbitration and eventually ended up
in court, and she won. The fact you like it,
doesn't well, don't like it, doesn't matter. The fact she
said the employer should have protected her more is the case,
(09:27):
and it was the case that was ruled on and
she won. But in winning, she's had to take out
loans of six hundred thousand dollars and she's still paying
that off, hence her save me fundme page that she's
now appealing for. So your personal view is irrelevant because
it's a procedure that I'm talking about. And my point being,
if you're going to take a procedure and you're going
(09:48):
to win in that procedure, what's the point of taking
a winning in the procedure if all you do is
run yourself bankrupt? And I gave you three reasonably good
examples of that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I guess I'm just always a little bit suspicious of
people who spell their names weirdly, So I don't actually
know why Susie Wiles has got the same first name
as Susie in the band she Great, So it's like
Cindy And at the beginning, I'm intimidated by people.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
With exits and their names.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Basically the re wrap right, Finally, you guys have been
asking for it, So here it is an update on
what's going on with the coffee chaosk outside in me.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Mike, has anything happened with your mafia run coffee cant
in the court? Yeah? What an excellent question and the
answer is no, And I'm deeply sad about it, and
the longer it goes, there was that flurry of activity.
What was a couple of weeks ago? Maybe people they
came along. It was on, wasn't it? It was on? We
thought something is happening. What did someone say it was
going to be bubble tea or something weird? Juice Bar,
(10:53):
we had a rumor? Was that just a rumor? Another
one of Sam's rumor's juice Bar.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I don't think it was excellent.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
More somebody else in this in this room, and somebody
who comes in during the news breaks, who might have spread.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The Jason again, juice Ber do think, well, anyway, nothing
is the upshot. But I look at that every morning
and I see potential. I see a place where business
can be done. And it's just a matter. I thought
I would have thought coffee worked, but it clearly didn't.
So they cleaned it all out. It's sat there for
a while. It's this little just for people are going,
what the hell is you beinging on about? Now? There's
(11:23):
a courtyard out the side of our building. And in
the courtyard is this, for want of a better word,
a glass cabin. And in the glass cabin was a
coffee machine and muffins for a while and a few
people and it just never worked as a business. But
it's a nice looking.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's quite a cool piece of architecture.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It's a good piece of architecture and it deserves life.
And I'm just trying to work out if coffee doesn't work,
what can.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Could they put in a mini golf down there?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
And then it could be the chiosk that you get
your clubs from you and your ice creams when you're finished.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You'd need a course which would That's what I'm saying.
We've then got room for the course. We only got
ready to be challenging it to be a challenging course,
a virtual course.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I reckon you could do it, and I think you
have that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You've got those cool workplaces where they have table in
his tables or foods, ball pinball machine. I couldn't have
a mini golf called imagine the morale, the worker morale
if you go out for around a mini golf and you're.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Doing a bit of stress.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Great, not to mention, you know, buying yourself a trumpet
at the end, stop being silly.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, let's see to the podcast said until tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'll see you then.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
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