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December 10, 2025 • 13 mins

THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Parliament Just Ain't What it Used To Be/So Sick of Social Media... and the Story/Bring it On/Your Helpful AI Shopper/Custard Attack Thwarted

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap. Good there, Welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday.
All the best that's from the my casting breakfast on
News Talks of the Inner Sillier package starring Heather of
course for the last couple of weeks of the show,
the Social Media Band. Hopefully we can finally wrap that
the beg Willis versus Richardson debate may not even be

(00:45):
a thing. Taking jet pee, taking chat, GPT shopping and
what to do when someone smears custard on your Crown jewels.
But before any of that, the gallery above Parliament it's
got a bit rowdy, bit out of hand, so that's shaft.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
So we will end the year with Parliament's public gallery shop,
which is disappointing because we find ourselves, unfortunately at the
end of this year almost exactly where we were at
the end of last year, dealing yet again with disruption
in Parliament. Now I need to say I like Jerry Browny.
In fact, I think most people who have a drink
with a guy end up really liking Jerry Browne. And

(01:23):
if he is still talking to me after what I'm
about to say. I would love to ask him what
it is that he was thinking when he sat there
in the Speaker's chair on Tuesday, just watching the pro
Palestinian protesters chanting and carrying on above the MPs, and
why he didn't get to his feet like I'd imagine
most previous speakers would have and issued an instruction to
clear the gallery immediately. It is quite weird watching the
video if you know how parliament works. It's weird because

(01:46):
Parliament is disrupted. All the MPs just sit there looking
at each other kind of helplessly, and then the speaker
camera cuts the speaker speakers sort of half smiling, sitting there,
focusing on the chanting, focusing on the people, as if
he's almost trying to chat tick to catch what it
is that they're saying, like he wants to understand it.
And this goes on for about four minutes. It's almost

(02:08):
just as if Jerry Browne in this moment has forgotten
that he's the speaker and not just another MP and
he can actually do something about it. And then after
which he just dismisses it as performative art, like loll Now,
these guys should not, under any circumstances, have been allowed
to go on for about four minutes. They should have
been tossed out immediately because they are actually a risk
to the MPs below them. They only in this case
throw down pamphlets. The problem is if they throw down

(02:30):
something else and it falls on an MP's head and
you don't need me to tell you what happens then.
And if there is a lesson that we've learned from
the Maori Party hucker, which happened around about this time
last year, it's that you crack down immediately if you're
the speaker, or you will simply get other people aping it,
like Brook van Valden, who after the hacker then tried
to get her own social media attention by dropping the
sea bomb in parliament. We've said this a million times

(02:52):
on this station. If we want good standards, we have
to enforce good standards and that is a job that
falls to the speaker. And it is a pissy and
it is frustrating that we find ourselves back here yet
again at the end of a second year.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
That it should be like you know, at the school galas,
how the teachers will go and the dunker teacher thing.
You know, you throw the thing and they the bucket
of water tips over them, or they fall on the pool,
or you know, they should just they should just have
certain times of the year where you can go to
the press gallery and take your rotten fruit and your

(03:26):
buckets or you know whatever, and you know, throw them
on and whichever parliamentary and you've got a bit of
a beef with get it out of your system. Okay.
I feel like we've been talking about the social media
band for longer than social media has been a thing. Anyway.
It looks like it might be coming our way, but

(03:49):
there are ways around it, of course.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
So we'll one day on from the social media band
in Australia and it looks I mean, I think if
you had to sum it up, you'd say it probably
looks a little bit messy because some kids have different
like loads of kids have been taken off. Some kids
are completely unaffected, as if they're rolling around like the
twenty years old, and some are gloating that they able
to pass the facial scanning and then continue to pose
as over sixteen year old by for example, scanning their

(04:14):
forty six year old mother's face. Things like a question
about parents parenting there. But anyway, a reporter at the
Sydney Morning Herald had a bit of a crack at
it himself to see how it went. So he went
on x Twitter, pretended to be fourteen and was blocked.
But when he changed his birth date to look like
he was thirty seven, he was allowed straight in, no
questions asked. So that's a pretty flimsy security system there.

(04:35):
Instagram wouldn't let him in when he said he was
under sixteen. Then he tried again, he changed it so
he said he was twenty eight. It let him in,
but there was a really long pause when it when
accepting the terms and conditions, which he thinks indicates the
system may have actually been running background checks and was
satisfied that he was actually what he said he was,
which is over sixteen years old. On Reddit, he said
he was sixteen. Let him in, no questions asked. Again,

(04:57):
problematic tiktoks he said he was under sixteen, it blocked him.
Then when he came back and tried to say he
was older, it wouldn't let him set up a new
account whatever his age was, which indicates that his device
or network address made been blacklisted after the first attempt,
and then when he went to Snapchat to try, even
though he said he was older, it did the same thing,
blocked him, and he thinks it's maybe because of the
TikTok attempt. So as you can see, Missy and yeah,

(05:22):
some some you'd have to say, probably not trying hard enough.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean it can't be that hard, can it?
Like they just asked them the wrong question. Don't ask people
when they were born because even with a rudimentary basic
you know, New Zealand taught level of mass you know,
a fourteen or a fifteen year old to figure that out.
But you know, so we're talking in two thousand and nine,

(05:46):
the question should really be, you know, something like, hey,
remember when Michael Jackson died? And if they go, no, ha, gotcha,
you're not allowed on Facebook? Right? Either really wants this
to happen. I still a last track of who challenged
who to a debate, whether Nikola Willis or Ruth Richardson
or if they both anyway, hither also wants this to happen?

(06:07):
Why she would want to happen in her last week
of the year and make that week more complicated than
it needs to be. I don't know, but anyway it
may not.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Now let's talk about this Nicko le Wwillis Ruth Richardson debate. Right,
here's a challenge to Nikola Willis. Do this debate this year,
do it next week. And the reason I'm saying that
is because I'm hearing that, having challenged Ruth Richardson to
the debate, Nichola Willis's office would now prefer to do
it next year. And I can understand why I'm in
politically that's a smart move because by next year, the
momentum will be gone and we'll all have moved on

(06:35):
to other things, and probably it will not get as
big an audience as if she was to do it
next week. Because next week is a very big economic week,
isn't it. The government's opening its books. Ed looks like
Nichola Willis might be pushing out surplus again for the
second time in two years. And then we've got the
GDP number, and that's coming off the back of the
Taxpayer's Union campaign calling her out for her big spending,

(06:57):
which is kicked off today. So next week there were
a whole lot more energy around a debate and a
whole lot more interest in what she's got to say
for herself now. If it's pushed out to next year,
I would read this as the first sign of her
losing cut. And if I was cynical, which I am,
I would read it as the first side of them
hoping in the office that this will just fizzle out
and die, because frankly, it was a political mistake to

(07:17):
challenge Ruth Richardson to a debate. Ruth Richardson for all
of her faults, and there are many, I would imagine,
people think can articulate all the problems with Nichola's big
spending budgets and debt gathering in a way that most
members of the media nowadays simply can't, which is to say,
she will mount a case that Nichola is spending too
much money and is taking us down exactly the same
path of economic trouble that Grant started us on, which

(07:39):
I suspect will convince a lot of voters when they
sit down and have a listen to it, they'll go, oh, yeah,
maybe we've got a problem here, and we do. We
have a problem when we have a government that promised
to cut spending and get us quote back on track,
and yet spends more money than Grant Robertson ever did,
which was I watering in and of itself. And this
government will buy mid next year, have taken on forty
five billion dollars worth of debt, which by then will

(08:01):
account for almost a quarter of our total debt. That
is how much debt they're racking up. This is a
really important debate, by the way, for labor who wants
to poo poo and call it a flex it is not.
It is a very important debake because what is more
important for a government to do well than to run
the country's books. So next week, how about it?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So, yeah, it's come to this. We're sort of doing
the production for the show on air, trying to strong
arm people of the coming on. It does get harder
and harder to find, guess the closer and closer we
get to Christmas rerap. We just interviewed chet GPT all
perhaps we could get a debate going with Jim and
I and chat GPT and co pilot and whoever else.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yesterday I tried the chat GPT for shopping as a
shopping assistant, because this is apparently a thing that everybody's
doing at the moment. I don't know if you're aware
of this. And I was reading and I'm basically telling
you this to warn you off it. I was reading
The Economist yesterday and it had an article and it
was raving about how getting AI to do your shopping
is all the cool new things Christmas, and it's like

(09:04):
the second biggest thing that people use AI for and
it's just on the increase, blah blah blah whatever. So
I thought, Okay, well i'll give it. I'll give it
a bit of a hoon. And where it becomes really
valuable is not in doing the stuff that you could
just do for yourself, but in finding you the cheapest
or finding you the one that will get to you
by next Wednesday or whatever. So I need to buy
my brother at present. So I decided, I don't care

(09:24):
if he knows this. I decided to get him a
golf shirt for Christmas. So I went to the chat
GPT and I typed into the chat GPT find me
a golf shirt size large that will arrive by my
house by next Wednesday. The first the first one, it
suggested fantastic price, so obviously went for the cheap one.
First one would arrive shipping date new yearessday. So I

(09:44):
was like, you missed a crucial part. They mate, So
I started again. The second shirt it recommended to me
had all the sizes, but it didn't have large, so
again it felt so in the end, what I did
is I just I just gave up on it and
I went to golf were house and I bought a shirt,
which is what I was going to do anyway. So
all I ended up doing was just wasting my time
with the chat GPT, which is you know, supposed to
save the time. Anyway. I cannot tell you, like something

(10:06):
must be going wrong for me, because I would say
that the economist stats would be the right ones, right,
which is that it's like the second biggest use of AI.
I don't know what is going wrong for me. I'm
starting to think it may in fact be the chat
GPT that I'm using, because if I don't know, if
you use it, if you've read about it, it seems
to be getting dumber and dumber by the minute, and

(10:27):
so you know, it's basically at human levels. Now I'm
less like me talking to myself on chat GPT, so
it's getting dumber. So I think it's the problem. I
think actually if I was to use something else, I
don't know, maybe I may.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Do they make the free one dumber, so people pay
for the.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Options and I'm using the free one. But that doesn't
seem like a fantastic business model because there are other
free ones like Gemini, Google, which I'm just going to
go to instead of paying. Right, So anyway, we'll see
how this. If you I don't know, if you've tried
it out, let me know how because it might it
might be user error on my partner that I don't know.
I said to it gets to me by Wednesday, and
I didn't say where I am who knows, just assumed it.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, I mean it's probably a bit like Spotify, isn't it.
I mean you get it to generate a playlist for you,
but obviously the artists and recal gunannies who are paying
Spotify more, do you have their songs pushed more? Get
their songs played? You know, you've got certain songs that
come up in every playlist no matter what you ask for,

(11:23):
And the same thing will be with the shopping. I
guess if there are companies out of the out there
paying different ais to push their products, and if you're
call with that they're no worries. But if you want
independent chopping advice, just do what I do and ask
the domestic manager for rerap. We're going to finish up

(11:43):
with the curly question. Can you arrest people if you're
a cop but you're not in the country where you're
normally coppying?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Did you catch I'm fascinated by the story that I
caught yesterday about the white cuttle officer who was arresting
the Numpties who were smearing the custard on the Crown
jewels in the Tower of London. So what happened does
this chapter? His name is Senior Constable Mark Strongman, was
just on holiday in the UK with his family and
he went to the Tower of London like you do
when you're tourist, and he saw these four people who've
now made global headlines. He saw them throwing the custard

(12:13):
on the display case, so he walked up to them.
He says, I introduced myself, informing them that I was
arresting them for criminal behavior and advising them of their rights,
and they waited with them. They were like, oh yeah, okay,
and they waited until the met officers arrived. Now immediately
I thought when I read that, was like, does Mark
even have arresting powers in the UK? He's a y
catto cop. He's not sure. He said he took an

(12:35):
oath to the crown, so he figured my arrest procedures
would stick. How good is that? It's entirely possible that
he bluffed the numpties and they fell for it, so
jokes on them.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
The weird thing about all that is that when I
was getting ready to put that audio into the podcast,
I've forgotten that it was casted, and thought that it
was mustard, and so I used AI to generate a
picture of protests at the Parliamentary Gallery squirting the politicians
underneath with mustard and not cast it. Luckily, I don't

(13:09):
think you can really tell in the picture. So have
a look at that anyway on the old socials, if
you're allowed, if you're over sixteen. Because luckily cast it
is the same color as mustard, that's certainly a more
useful thing to do with castard. I like mastard, I

(13:32):
don't like cast it, so I'd be a smearra of castd.
Probably I am a glean hat smerror of casted, not mustard.
Oh my god, let's stop and I'll see you Ken tomorrow.

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