March 17, 2025 • 13 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) There Really Is No Hope. Move On/A Tale of Two Labours/Stop Ignoring Us. Sometimes/More Covid Triggers/Walton's Wanger
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Then welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday. All the best,
but it's from the Mike Husking breakfast on News Talks
ZEDB in a sillier package. I'm Glenn Hart. Today we'll
compare labor parties here and in the UK, which I
guess qualifies as advice for MPs, which they seem to
be in the habit of ignoring. Anyway. Some of the
(00:48):
COVID loans haven't been paid back yet, so that's a
bit of a worry. And the White lotus is it
all faith and no substance. We'll get to that at
the end of the podcast. First up, let's stick another
knife into Torri Funno.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It turns out, despite all that's been said about Wellington
and it's now infamous implosion led by the inexplicably incompetent
and cencumbent, the Labour Party has had to extend the
nomination process for the local body elections, if you can
believe it, because they can't find anybody who wants to
stand for mayor. So several questions I would have thought
come out of this one. This, by the way, does
not mean an independent or a more conservative leaning candidate
(01:27):
can't be found and won't come forward and potentially sweep
the whole field. But as far as the left are concerned,
can we ask these questions, is the lack of a
candidate from Labor assigned that local body politics is so doer,
so distasteful no one in their right mind can be bothered?
Or does it say something about Labor and its brand?
In other words, the stinch of twenty twenty three nationally
(01:47):
is still so bad no one in their right mind
wants to have a red banner saying Labour candidate, because
no matter what they argue around local issues, they will
be inextricably linked to Central Labor at Parliament. Does Chris
Hipkins actually already know this hence is offer yesterday to
back an independent? Or if you are an independent, would
you want the Hipkins backing at all? Or could you
argue the green vote is so popular in the capitol
(02:10):
Tory Farner is actually hot stuff and she is such
a potential political force that no one from the left
can overcome that sort of brilliance, Or can you argue
Tory has a fantastic cheek in even trying it on
bystanding given that Wellington has become famous for its Shiger
shambles and she has been the head deliverer of that shambles.
(02:31):
Or is that reputation really only outside Wellington? And enough
people inside Wellington think Wellington is a rock star city
and they can't, for the life of them work out
what the rest of us are on about. But a
simple question from an observer in another place, grateful that
this isn't his day to day reality, how is it
possible you can do what's being done to the place
(02:53):
and there isn't a queue left, right and center lining
up to put it right? How can you watch that
and not want to do something about fixing it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I mean, isn't it? It does have to be
an alternative And unless somebody is willing to be the alternative,
what are you supposed to do? Just shut it all down? Sorry, guys,
we're closing Wellington, We're moving to another location.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I meanwhile, if for your own newstalk ZB fan a
regular listener, your bears confused as all the other ones
out there as to why labor seems to be doing
so well under Poles at the moment. I think Mike
thinks that if they have any real shot at the
(03:39):
next election, they need to look north, and I mean
all the way north.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'll tell you what, if the New Zealand Labor Party
want to get real about re election, they should look
no further than the UK Labor Party. So keya Starmer
blew up the NHS on Friday. It doesn't work, he said,
the bloating of the numbers has not improved anything. He
said jobs will be lost now. Before he blew up
(04:03):
the NHS, he attacked the welfare system. He called it
unjust and unfair. Essentially, there are far too many people
sitting on welfare doing nothing and there's no incentive for
them to change their habits. Remember this is a British
Labour Prime minister. We're also expecting the Chancellor to slash
more spending. Why because they don't have any money. Oh
if only Hopkins or an Adern or a Robertson with
anything close to this. What was close to this, by
(04:25):
the way, was Roger Douglas, David Longie, Richard Prebble, David
Kagel and Mike Moore. The proper Labour Party, the Labour
Party many recognized as being the middle of the road,
centrist type party that a lot of New Zealanders could recognize.
If what Starmer is up to works, he's Blair two
point zero, and the lesson Blair taught us is the
same lesson that Bob Hawk taught us. In Australia. A
labor movement doesn't have to be about wokeness and largess
(04:46):
and economic ineptitude. It needs to be about common sense
the worker, and the worker, by the way, is not
a hardcore unionist, but a middle class New Zealander who
gets up, makes their kids, lunches, heads to work, comes
home a little bit late, bit tired, ready for a
barbecue and a beer at the weekend, living in their
own home in suburbia, with a belief that life is
pretty good. New Zealand is pretty good and the future
is moderately bright. None of that is hard but a bitch.
(05:09):
It's completely foreign to most of the current labor lot,
who butchered the place between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty three.
The old adage around votes and political support, about the
center being large and a place to get a lot
of success, is real and we wouldn't mind some wider representation.
I mean, national or labor can occupy the center. History
shows it's possible and it's successful. Hipkins needs to study
(05:31):
Starma and learn.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I don't know how good an example Tony Blair
was that whole going to war in Iraq under for
the wrong reasons that we're never ever proved and turned
out to be boles, thereby setting off a real chain
(05:53):
reaction of events. I mean, other than that, seemed to
do all right, I suppose arap. Now Mike seems to
be spending more and more time these days being uneasy
about the way different story get covered. I guess if
they're not covering them the way that he would cover them,
(06:14):
then it's the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Back to John Carnegie, who was on the program earlier
on this morning, he's part of the EECA, the Energy
Efficiency and Conservation Authority. Now he's there at the request
of mister Simeon Brown, who's the new minister. There was
some angst last week, driven largely by Radio and New
Zealand who seemed to fascinate with themselves with this ongoing
(06:38):
thing the media does whereby officials give advice to the government,
and if the officials advice is not followed by the
government somehow, that's a story, if not a scandal, assuming
of course, that officials one know what they're doing, competent,
have institutional knowledge, offer advice that you would even want
to follow or dere I suggest that the politician doesn't
(06:59):
have a mind of their own and have an agenda
and a plan that they were voted into enact. So
he apparently Carnegie was rejected by the officials managing the
recruitment process. In fact, he was rejected twice, first after
the initial screening, second time after Brand instructed them to
interview him anyway. So they're rejected him twice. Now, under
(07:20):
normal circumstances, I wouldn't bother with this, But having read
the Deloitte's report into health in New Zealand, and having
read the Roch Report into the public service in general,
I am increasingly concerned about one the quality of the
public service and to their political that they're alleged political neutrality.
Is it not possible that they looked at this guy
(07:43):
because they have a certain agenda and Carnegie's what you
would very loosely call, you know, well, he's pro power.
Actually he likes to have the lights on, so he's
a regular New Zealander, but he's not an idealist or
an ideologue in the area of renewables. Is it possible
that the officials managing the recruitment process don't like people
like him and we're never going to put him through
(08:04):
And if it wasn't for Simeon Brown, he never be
anywhere to see They were asked about it in part
last week and swimming, and Brown quite rightly said, we
don't want everybody with the same view, and it's not
bad to have somebody with a different view, And what's
possibly wrong with that? And if there's nothing wrong with that,
which there isn't, why then is a minister rejecting a
bit of official advice even a story?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And again, it just sort of depends on which advice
is going in which direction at which particular time of
the news cycle, isn't it because I send a recall?
Back in the old COVID days, there was plenty of
advice being handed out to ministers three things like I
don't know, ppe like interest rates and loans and stuff
(08:47):
like that. And I'm pretty sure we were sticking the
boot and pretty hard at that time. When MPs didn't
follow the advice of so called industry experts. But anyway,
rewrap actually speaking of COVID, and we'll never stop talking
about it, so I don't think that we will. How
about those loans to keep businesses running, I'm sure that's
(09:10):
all being paid back by now.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It was ages ago morning, Mike, I got a COVID loan,
have paid it back. But after lockdown, we were promised
life would bounce back to normal. It didn't. Labor ruined
the economy, so no one can afford to eat, let
alone pay the loan back. I've burned through three hundred
thousand dollars of savings keeping my business open during COVID,
paying staff, et cetera, wearing liquidations from other companies. It's
a mess, five years of mess exactly. So that's why
(09:33):
these stories are so relevant and so important, because we're
still here, We're still paying for it, and the most
dangerous thing we could do is forget.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And yet that is exactly what I want like to do.
I was just talking about this with Kerry before I
came into the studio to record this podcast, and we
both say how triggering we find it. Whenever a storyl
like this comes up and you have to think about
COVID all over again, because I think most of us
as a society have pushed it down and we would
like to pretend that the whole thing never happened, the
(10:02):
re wrap. I wish we could pretend that the white
Load has never happened. I mean, I've made my feelings
pretty clear this. I believe he's an emprison you closed
thing going on here, and it's not actually that good program,
but everybody's just decided that it is and have been
told that it is, so they'll just tell agree that
it is whether it is or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Like a lot of people love like White Lotus series three.
Music is great, casting is excellent, a slow build with
tension chaos ahead. Justine, you're right, but people don't like
the music. That's become quite a thing internationally with people
reacting to the music. Casting is excellent. You're one hundred percent.
And Sam Rockwell turned up in episode four and that's
got everyone. Everyone's gone off about Rockwell. Season three. White
(10:45):
Lotus mic has done a Yellowstone got tired being dragged out.
Nothing is happening each episode currently, Ellen, you're wrong. You
haven't watched episode four. Watch episode four, which dropped yesterday
or the day before or whenever it was the even
time magazine.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Has episode five.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yesterday was episode five. My apologies so episode.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Feo you watch episode five already.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I've seen episode five already one with Sam Rockwell it
it will become known as the rock Will episode. Mark
my words turns out, and this.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is did he get his winger out like the guy
I did the week before?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The There was a wanger but not his And my wife,
who was sitting next to me on the sofa, funnily enough, said,
who's the guy who writes it? Sam? Wife, whatever his
name is, she likes a wanger. He likes a winger. Well,
I don't think she used that worklin, but I'm just jammed,
you know, using the binacular anyway, So there was one, Yes,
it was a Russian one anyway, Rockwell, the the the monologue,
(11:41):
the rock Will monologue on episode five.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, it better have made all the other episodes worth it,
because they have just been.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Laid down, lay down mosa It's like if you've hated
every five saves it five, you go, oh my god,
all right, I'll give it one last. Sam Rockwell and
Goggans sitting there next.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I love a bit of Goggins.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Is it it is not gone? Next?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
There was also a bit of a discussion around the
music the sound design, which I actually do like. It's
one of the only things that I do like. I
like Wolcome Goggins and I like the music, which other
people don't like. If they don't know what they're talking about,
or they haven't got a prophise around sound system, maybe
(12:33):
that's the problem. They need a bitter bitter stereo. I
am entitled obviously going by that last coming, I'm glean
hat and I will be back again tomorrow. You'd be
amazed how this sounds if you listen to it a
five to one or seven to one system.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
For more from News Talks, the'd be listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on on radio,
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Then welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday. All the best,
but it's from the Mike Husking breakfast on News Talks
ZEDB in a sillier package. I'm Glenn Hart. Today we'll
compare labor parties here and in the UK, which I
guess qualifies as advice for MPs, which they seem to
be in the habit of ignoring. Anyway. Some of the
(00:48):
COVID loans haven't been paid back yet, so that's a
bit of a worry. And the White lotus is it
all faith and no substance. We'll get to that at
the end of the podcast. First up, let's stick another
knife into Torri Funno.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It turns out, despite all that's been said about Wellington
and it's now infamous implosion led by the inexplicably incompetent
and cencumbent, the Labour Party has had to extend the
nomination process for the local body elections, if you can
believe it, because they can't find anybody who wants to
stand for mayor. So several questions I would have thought
come out of this one. This, by the way, does
not mean an independent or a more conservative leaning candidate
(01:27):
can't be found and won't come forward and potentially sweep
the whole field. But as far as the left are concerned,
can we ask these questions, is the lack of a
candidate from Labor assigned that local body politics is so doer,
so distasteful no one in their right mind can be bothered?
Or does it say something about Labor and its brand?
In other words, the stinch of twenty twenty three nationally
(01:47):
is still so bad no one in their right mind
wants to have a red banner saying Labour candidate, because
no matter what they argue around local issues, they will
be inextricably linked to Central Labor at Parliament. Does Chris
Hipkins actually already know this hence is offer yesterday to
back an independent? Or if you are an independent, would
you want the Hipkins backing at all? Or could you
argue the green vote is so popular in the capitol
(02:10):
Tory Farner is actually hot stuff and she is such
a potential political force that no one from the left
can overcome that sort of brilliance, Or can you argue
Tory has a fantastic cheek in even trying it on
bystanding given that Wellington has become famous for its Shiger
shambles and she has been the head deliverer of that shambles.
(02:31):
Or is that reputation really only outside Wellington? And enough
people inside Wellington think Wellington is a rock star city
and they can't, for the life of them work out
what the rest of us are on about. But a
simple question from an observer in another place, grateful that
this isn't his day to day reality, how is it
possible you can do what's being done to the place
(02:53):
and there isn't a queue left, right and center lining
up to put it right? How can you watch that
and not want to do something about fixing it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I mean, isn't it? It does have to be
an alternative And unless somebody is willing to be the alternative,
what are you supposed to do? Just shut it all down? Sorry, guys,
we're closing Wellington, We're moving to another location.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I meanwhile, if for your own newstalk ZB fan a
regular listener, your bears confused as all the other ones
out there as to why labor seems to be doing
so well under Poles at the moment. I think Mike
thinks that if they have any real shot at the
(03:39):
next election, they need to look north, and I mean
all the way north.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'll tell you what, if the New Zealand Labor Party
want to get real about re election, they should look
no further than the UK Labor Party. So keya Starmer
blew up the NHS on Friday. It doesn't work, he said,
the bloating of the numbers has not improved anything. He
said jobs will be lost now. Before he blew up
(04:03):
the NHS, he attacked the welfare system. He called it
unjust and unfair. Essentially, there are far too many people
sitting on welfare doing nothing and there's no incentive for
them to change their habits. Remember this is a British
Labour Prime minister. We're also expecting the Chancellor to slash
more spending. Why because they don't have any money. Oh
if only Hopkins or an Adern or a Robertson with
anything close to this. What was close to this, by
(04:25):
the way, was Roger Douglas, David Longie, Richard Prebble, David
Kagel and Mike Moore. The proper Labour Party, the Labour
Party many recognized as being the middle of the road,
centrist type party that a lot of New Zealanders could recognize.
If what Starmer is up to works, he's Blair two
point zero, and the lesson Blair taught us is the
same lesson that Bob Hawk taught us. In Australia. A
labor movement doesn't have to be about wokeness and largess
(04:46):
and economic ineptitude. It needs to be about common sense
the worker, and the worker, by the way, is not
a hardcore unionist, but a middle class New Zealander who
gets up, makes their kids, lunches, heads to work, comes
home a little bit late, bit tired, ready for a
barbecue and a beer at the weekend, living in their
own home in suburbia, with a belief that life is
pretty good. New Zealand is pretty good and the future
is moderately bright. None of that is hard but a bitch.
(05:09):
It's completely foreign to most of the current labor lot,
who butchered the place between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty three.
The old adage around votes and political support, about the
center being large and a place to get a lot
of success, is real and we wouldn't mind some wider representation.
I mean, national or labor can occupy the center. History
shows it's possible and it's successful. Hipkins needs to study
(05:31):
Starma and learn.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I don't know how good an example Tony Blair
was that whole going to war in Iraq under for
the wrong reasons that we're never ever proved and turned
out to be boles, thereby setting off a real chain
(05:53):
reaction of events. I mean, other than that, seemed to
do all right, I suppose arap. Now Mike seems to
be spending more and more time these days being uneasy
about the way different story get covered. I guess if
they're not covering them the way that he would cover them,
(06:14):
then it's the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Back to John Carnegie, who was on the program earlier
on this morning, he's part of the EECA, the Energy
Efficiency and Conservation Authority. Now he's there at the request
of mister Simeon Brown, who's the new minister. There was
some angst last week, driven largely by Radio and New
Zealand who seemed to fascinate with themselves with this ongoing
(06:38):
thing the media does whereby officials give advice to the government,
and if the officials advice is not followed by the
government somehow, that's a story, if not a scandal, assuming
of course, that officials one know what they're doing, competent,
have institutional knowledge, offer advice that you would even want
to follow or dere I suggest that the politician doesn't
(06:59):
have a mind of their own and have an agenda
and a plan that they were voted into enact. So
he apparently Carnegie was rejected by the officials managing the
recruitment process. In fact, he was rejected twice, first after
the initial screening, second time after Brand instructed them to
interview him anyway. So they're rejected him twice. Now, under
(07:20):
normal circumstances, I wouldn't bother with this, But having read
the Deloitte's report into health in New Zealand, and having
read the Roch Report into the public service in general,
I am increasingly concerned about one the quality of the
public service and to their political that they're alleged political neutrality.
Is it not possible that they looked at this guy
(07:43):
because they have a certain agenda and Carnegie's what you
would very loosely call, you know, well, he's pro power.
Actually he likes to have the lights on, so he's
a regular New Zealander, but he's not an idealist or
an ideologue in the area of renewables. Is it possible
that the officials managing the recruitment process don't like people
like him and we're never going to put him through
(08:04):
And if it wasn't for Simeon Brown, he never be
anywhere to see They were asked about it in part
last week and swimming, and Brown quite rightly said, we
don't want everybody with the same view, and it's not
bad to have somebody with a different view, And what's
possibly wrong with that? And if there's nothing wrong with that,
which there isn't, why then is a minister rejecting a
bit of official advice even a story?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And again, it just sort of depends on which advice
is going in which direction at which particular time of
the news cycle, isn't it because I send a recall?
Back in the old COVID days, there was plenty of
advice being handed out to ministers three things like I
don't know, ppe like interest rates and loans and stuff
(08:47):
like that. And I'm pretty sure we were sticking the
boot and pretty hard at that time. When MPs didn't
follow the advice of so called industry experts. But anyway,
rewrap actually speaking of COVID, and we'll never stop talking
about it, so I don't think that we will. How
about those loans to keep businesses running, I'm sure that's
(09:10):
all being paid back by now.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It was ages ago morning, Mike, I got a COVID loan,
have paid it back. But after lockdown, we were promised
life would bounce back to normal. It didn't. Labor ruined
the economy, so no one can afford to eat, let
alone pay the loan back. I've burned through three hundred
thousand dollars of savings keeping my business open during COVID,
paying staff, et cetera, wearing liquidations from other companies. It's
a mess, five years of mess exactly. So that's why
(09:33):
these stories are so relevant and so important, because we're
still here, We're still paying for it, and the most
dangerous thing we could do is forget.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And yet that is exactly what I want like to do.
I was just talking about this with Kerry before I
came into the studio to record this podcast, and we
both say how triggering we find it. Whenever a storyl
like this comes up and you have to think about
COVID all over again, because I think most of us
as a society have pushed it down and we would
like to pretend that the whole thing never happened, the
(10:02):
re wrap. I wish we could pretend that the white
Load has never happened. I mean, I've made my feelings
pretty clear this. I believe he's an emprison you closed
thing going on here, and it's not actually that good program,
but everybody's just decided that it is and have been
told that it is, so they'll just tell agree that
it is whether it is or it isn't.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Like a lot of people love like White Lotus series three.
Music is great, casting is excellent, a slow build with
tension chaos ahead. Justine, you're right, but people don't like
the music. That's become quite a thing internationally with people
reacting to the music. Casting is excellent. You're one hundred percent.
And Sam Rockwell turned up in episode four and that's
got everyone. Everyone's gone off about Rockwell. Season three. White
(10:45):
Lotus mic has done a Yellowstone got tired being dragged out.
Nothing is happening each episode currently, Ellen, you're wrong. You
haven't watched episode four. Watch episode four, which dropped yesterday
or the day before or whenever it was the even
time magazine.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Has episode five.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yesterday was episode five. My apologies so episode.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Feo you watch episode five already.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I've seen episode five already one with Sam Rockwell it
it will become known as the rock Will episode. Mark
my words turns out, and this.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is did he get his winger out like the guy
I did the week before?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The There was a wanger but not his And my wife,
who was sitting next to me on the sofa, funnily enough, said,
who's the guy who writes it? Sam? Wife, whatever his
name is, she likes a wanger. He likes a winger. Well,
I don't think she used that worklin, but I'm just jammed,
you know, using the binacular anyway, So there was one, Yes,
it was a Russian one anyway, Rockwell, the the the monologue,
(11:41):
the rock Will monologue on episode five.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, it better have made all the other episodes worth it,
because they have just been.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Laid down, lay down mosa It's like if you've hated
every five saves it five, you go, oh my god,
all right, I'll give it one last. Sam Rockwell and
Goggans sitting there next.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I love a bit of Goggins.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Is it it is not gone? Next?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
There was also a bit of a discussion around the
music the sound design, which I actually do like. It's
one of the only things that I do like. I
like Wolcome Goggins and I like the music, which other
people don't like. If they don't know what they're talking about,
or they haven't got a prophise around sound system, maybe
(12:33):
that's the problem. They need a bitter bitter stereo. I
am entitled obviously going by that last coming, I'm glean
hat and I will be back again tomorrow. You'd be
amazed how this sounds if you listen to it a
five to one or seven to one system.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
For more from News Talks, the'd be listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on on radio,
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