September 10, 2024 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Lies vs Lame/No Accountability a Bad Look/Who Does the IRD Think it Is?/Why You Can't Ban the Internet/Memes Explained
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk dB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rerap and welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To the Rewrap for Wednesday, All the best bets from
the Mike Casting Breakfast, un News Talks it Be and
a Sillier package. I Am Glen Heart And today these
mills that are closing? Is it really all about the
power ID and our privacy?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They obviously can't be trusted.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We don't strass social media and showed does that mean
we should bend our kids from using it? And while
we're online, let's look at the dolphin. Mean the dolphin
mean why we can't? But before any of that, tonight,
well it's not tonight, it's tonight in America. It's this
afternoon in New Zealand, the big debates.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
The debate the afternoon in a race that has been
tipped on its head in the most extraordinary way. Not
a lot of interest in debates, they told us prior
to the Trump be Biden won. The fact that they
will the only one Trump v. Biden this time round
shows how wrong that was. Then he went and got shot.
To be fair, it's an outside bet that anything tangible
far less tumultuous happens today. The Harris interview, which they
(01:20):
also made a meal of, turned out to be a
kind of nothing in the sense that the yardstick appears
to be. These days you need to survive. If you
walk off stage unscathed, it's been a success, apparently, Harrison.
The interview said nothing, but the fact she wasn't a stuttering,
bumbling full seemed to be a pass mark. And if
you watch the first debate, the Biden melt down aside,
it would have been as boring as drying paint, I mean,
no audience. Mike's not on. A very staid, scripted, controlled
(01:43):
period of back and forth does not bring a rumor
a contest to life. In fact, that's one of the
ironies armat thought, because that's what a debate actually should
be about. A debate is different to say, an interview,
because it's back and forward and varies in pace and
jumps about a bit. That's its potential magic the test
of the combatants in the heat of battle. There's barely
a battle. The way the rules are structured, much then
(02:04):
relies on the moderators. The American style appears to be
low key, non confrontation with minimal follow up, but it
will draw a crowd because this race seems to have settled.
Trump had his convention, which was good, got shot, looked
to have won it before it even started into Harris
had a convention equally as good, got the poles and
the money moving, but seems now to have peaked with
(02:25):
the pole showing its neck and neck. So we're kind
of back to where we started. As electric or dull
as it may be. Today, what counts of consequences and
like it or not, one is going to run America
and that affects every single one of us.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, it a It is a weird thing, isn't it?
How a presidential campaign has become a matter of not
cocking things up along the way. And really you've got
to rate Harris's chances over Trump's chances in that, you know,
before you had a couple of guys who just cocked
things up constantly.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It was a cockupp or armor. But yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't think Harris is as interesting enough to cock
things up as real as Trump does.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
The rewrap.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Well, back here the mill, there's trouble at mill in fact.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Way, Actually, there's nothing going on at the mill. It's closing.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
A lot of feedback on this over the time. I
find it incomprehensible, Mike that a large company so reliant
on power does not have a fixed power. So you're
talking hedging.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
They did.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
They hedged for half. The rest was on the spot market.
You don't want to hedge against everything, because, of course
the spot market is not always where the spot market was. Recently,
when the spot market's zero, you don't want to be
hedged up higher than that. But they can do nothing
about it. But there is in there somewhere a story
about the price of commodities, has Shane alluded to briefly,
And might I also make a pleader, Mike Ryan, who's
the CEO, possibly the chief financial officers, a guy called
(03:48):
Glenn Whiting. You got a front. You've got to be public.
You cannot have the sort of effect on a region
the way you have. And I am not saying your
decisions right or wrong. I'm simply saying you've got to
be accountable. You've got to explain yourself because there's a
lot of questions at play here that I have for you,
one of which is how much is power and how
much is locks? And is it just an industry that
was gone nowhere anyway, and a bad power bill for
(04:11):
a couple of months tipped you over the edge. And
the real story is the commodity, not the power price.
So you're blaming the power companies needlessly? Or is the
power price real? And I can never get those answers
if you don't answer the phone and hold yourself to
some sort of account.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I started the show with Billy Joels Allentown this morning.
It is unfortunate that sometimes life moves on and places
that are dedicated to making.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sometimes suffer when people don't want that one thing so
much anymore. And I do, yeah, I like Mike. I
do wonder if there's more to this than.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Just a temporary blurt in the power price. Rewrap, Now,
how do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You feel about having your ird details sold to big tech?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's not ideal? How the how did this happen?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
The cock up that the Inland Revenue Department as engineered
gives us, say, has given us a good insight into
how the public service, apart from anything else, is run.
They hand our information, your information, my information over to
Google and Facebook, et cetera. They do this so they
can better tailor their advertising even at this point, this
early point, surely there's a couple of large red flags here. Firstly,
(05:31):
I would argue there's a patriotic duty for all government
funded agencies to at least pause and ask themselves, given
the relationship with social media and the local media and
ripping off of locally created content and making money from it,
whether the government should be throwing more money at them,
while at the same time allegedly trying to cut some
sort of revenue deal where the international players come to
the table and actually pay for the content they're ripping off. Secondly,
(05:55):
and more importantly, the info the IID has has been
gained by compulsion, we have no choice but to hand
over our details to them. At what point did they
gain the right to on sell them to another party
far less an international one as the record shows, and
multiple jurisdictions, not a lot of interest in behaving in
a way that doesn't attract an outsized amount of attention
to the ways of doing business. I mean, from America
(06:17):
to Europe to Britain. How many times have these players
been called before committees and tribunals and inquiries to answer
questions about their practices records, business approach, revenue generation in general,
omni presence in people's lives. IRD will tell you our
details are safe, the names of the ages, the serial
numbers are confidential. They've been hashed. I think that's the term.
That's where they take letters and all that sort of
(06:38):
thing and turn them into numbers and keys. But have
they are they really now? People, especially those on social media,
they give them a lot of themselves the way, of course,
on a regular basis, off and not even realizing it.
But the idea are different. We had no choice, We
weren't asked, we didn't give permission. That needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It does seem absolutely incredible, and it seems even more
incredible that I haven't heard more people.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Be more upset about it over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But I did say on my other very very successful
podcast news talks, they have been If you haven't heard it,
go on subscribe, listen to it now immediately by literally
pause this one, go back and listen to that one,
and then come back to this one. Right you're back,
And you would have heard me say privacy is dead.
So maybe we just don't care anymore?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So the internet is really going to be the theme
for the rest of this podcast actually, because of course
Australias are going to ban kids from going on it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
While going on social media anyway, good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It is almost inconceivable that Elderineasy is as inept as
he is in Australia. But he announced yesterday that he's
drawing up legislation. So he's going to ban kids from
going on social media, as though that's a thing you
can do, and so it will be exactly the same.
They haven't drawn up the legislation. He thinks about sixteen's ripe.
Sixteen ish above you can go on social media. The
(07:58):
legislation will involve the business of simply are you eighteen
or sixteen when you go on social media. So when
you go to TikTok, it will go are you sixteen,
and you will go yes, even though you're six, and
that will be the end of it. And the fact
that he thinks that's going to make any difference whatsoever
is contained in the Sydney Morning Herald headline I read yesterday,
(08:19):
which was buried far too far down the article. It
said will it actually work? And their opening line was
no country in the world has rolled out a system
like the one that the e Safety Commission is proposing.
Beginning middle an end.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Of story, I guess you just have social media police.
The same ones probably who are making sure that gang
members aren't wearing their patches inside their houses, they can
be the ones.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That are making sure that fourteen year.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Olds aren't on instat rerat.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now we uncovered a mean trend today on the show.
And if you've got any idea what's happening in the world,
you're probably already aware of it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But we weren't.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And somebody drew our attention to the fact that the
minut History of.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Education's TikTok page features a video that, well, it's not
really a video, it's just a still picture of some
dolphins under a rainbow. And then it's just a caption
on that picture that says, let's go to school. And
we wondered if that was a good use of the
ministry's resources. And then of course it was a rabbit hole,
(09:34):
well not a dolphin hole.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I guess it sounds wrong, dolphin hole, doesn't it right?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So here's the dolphin meme thing. We're onto it there.
The Education Ministry are so whip it it's incredible. So
the Symphony dolphin meme has been all over TikTok for
ages and users post the images and the videos of
the dolphin set to the tune of the song. The
(09:59):
song was a twenty seventeen hit by Clean Bandit featuring
Zara Larson. It began a TikToker called Errortet herotet higher
att Errortet.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Posted a business not pronounced urotate could.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Be posted a video of a vibrant dolphin leaping out
of the water while the upbeat chorus lars and symphony
plays in the background. Instead of a motivational message, the
overlay read I'm depressed and that went off. That went,
as Mark Mitchell would say, that went viral, and so
then after the success of the video, Uytet posted some
(10:39):
more content captions like I have social anxiety, I love
alcohol and I self sabotage everything, And as Mark says,
that went viral as well. So the memes spread and
other techtok users joined in.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I like the one who says life when that
one person shuts the hell.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Up exactly, I would sell you for one single beer.
He's my first favorite. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I quite like the one where one music just put
I'm a lesbian.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And so the ministry, all the cool cats at the
Ministry they thought, we're on. Here, we're on. And then
the boomers from zib came along and were, what's helped
me with the dolphin? Done that? As we're done with dolphins,
Mark said, it'll go viral and so the next thing
you know, you've got it all explain to you, and
(11:34):
that's how the show works.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, in conclusion, definitely ban all social media, not just
from kids, but from everyone and we'll all be better off.
But make sure you keep listening to this podcast. Of course,
I don't think this counts as social media. It's kind
of anti social media. It's just me talking to you
(11:56):
and hopefully you'll let me do that to you again tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Again, that sounded wrong. I'll see you then though.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
For more from Newstalk st B, listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk dB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rerap and welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To the Rewrap for Wednesday, All the best bets from
the Mike Casting Breakfast, un News Talks it Be and
a Sillier package. I Am Glen Heart And today these
mills that are closing? Is it really all about the
power ID and our privacy?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They obviously can't be trusted.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We don't strass social media and showed does that mean
we should bend our kids from using it? And while
we're online, let's look at the dolphin. Mean the dolphin
mean why we can't? But before any of that, tonight,
well it's not tonight, it's tonight in America. It's this
afternoon in New Zealand, the big debates.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
The debate the afternoon in a race that has been
tipped on its head in the most extraordinary way. Not
a lot of interest in debates, they told us prior
to the Trump be Biden won. The fact that they
will the only one Trump v. Biden this time round
shows how wrong that was. Then he went and got shot.
To be fair, it's an outside bet that anything tangible
far less tumultuous happens today. The Harris interview, which they
(01:20):
also made a meal of, turned out to be a
kind of nothing in the sense that the yardstick appears
to be. These days you need to survive. If you
walk off stage unscathed, it's been a success, apparently, Harrison.
The interview said nothing, but the fact she wasn't a stuttering,
bumbling full seemed to be a pass mark. And if
you watch the first debate, the Biden melt down aside,
it would have been as boring as drying paint, I mean,
no audience. Mike's not on. A very staid, scripted, controlled
(01:43):
period of back and forth does not bring a rumor
a contest to life. In fact, that's one of the
ironies armat thought, because that's what a debate actually should
be about. A debate is different to say, an interview,
because it's back and forward and varies in pace and
jumps about a bit. That's its potential magic the test
of the combatants in the heat of battle. There's barely
a battle. The way the rules are structured, much then
(02:04):
relies on the moderators. The American style appears to be
low key, non confrontation with minimal follow up, but it
will draw a crowd because this race seems to have settled.
Trump had his convention, which was good, got shot, looked
to have won it before it even started into Harris
had a convention equally as good, got the poles and
the money moving, but seems now to have peaked with
(02:25):
the pole showing its neck and neck. So we're kind
of back to where we started. As electric or dull
as it may be. Today, what counts of consequences and
like it or not, one is going to run America
and that affects every single one of us.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, it a It is a weird thing, isn't it?
How a presidential campaign has become a matter of not
cocking things up along the way. And really you've got
to rate Harris's chances over Trump's chances in that, you know,
before you had a couple of guys who just cocked
things up constantly.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It was a cockupp or armor. But yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't think Harris is as interesting enough to cock
things up as real as Trump does.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
The rewrap.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Well, back here the mill, there's trouble at mill in fact.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Way, Actually, there's nothing going on at the mill. It's closing.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
A lot of feedback on this over the time. I
find it incomprehensible, Mike that a large company so reliant
on power does not have a fixed power. So you're
talking hedging.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
They did.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
They hedged for half. The rest was on the spot market.
You don't want to hedge against everything, because, of course
the spot market is not always where the spot market was. Recently,
when the spot market's zero, you don't want to be
hedged up higher than that. But they can do nothing
about it. But there is in there somewhere a story
about the price of commodities, has Shane alluded to briefly,
And might I also make a pleader, Mike Ryan, who's
the CEO, possibly the chief financial officers, a guy called
(03:48):
Glenn Whiting. You got a front. You've got to be public.
You cannot have the sort of effect on a region
the way you have. And I am not saying your
decisions right or wrong. I'm simply saying you've got to
be accountable. You've got to explain yourself because there's a
lot of questions at play here that I have for you,
one of which is how much is power and how
much is locks? And is it just an industry that
was gone nowhere anyway, and a bad power bill for
(04:11):
a couple of months tipped you over the edge. And
the real story is the commodity, not the power price.
So you're blaming the power companies needlessly? Or is the
power price real? And I can never get those answers
if you don't answer the phone and hold yourself to
some sort of account.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I started the show with Billy Joels Allentown this morning.
It is unfortunate that sometimes life moves on and places
that are dedicated to making.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Sometimes suffer when people don't want that one thing so
much anymore. And I do, yeah, I like Mike. I
do wonder if there's more to this than.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Just a temporary blurt in the power price. Rewrap, Now,
how do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You feel about having your ird details sold to big tech?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's not ideal? How the how did this happen?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
The cock up that the Inland Revenue Department as engineered
gives us, say, has given us a good insight into
how the public service, apart from anything else, is run.
They hand our information, your information, my information over to
Google and Facebook, et cetera. They do this so they
can better tailor their advertising even at this point, this
early point, surely there's a couple of large red flags here. Firstly,
(05:31):
I would argue there's a patriotic duty for all government
funded agencies to at least pause and ask themselves, given
the relationship with social media and the local media and
ripping off of locally created content and making money from it,
whether the government should be throwing more money at them,
while at the same time allegedly trying to cut some
sort of revenue deal where the international players come to
the table and actually pay for the content they're ripping off. Secondly,
(05:55):
and more importantly, the info the IID has has been
gained by compulsion, we have no choice but to hand
over our details to them. At what point did they
gain the right to on sell them to another party
far less an international one as the record shows, and
multiple jurisdictions, not a lot of interest in behaving in
a way that doesn't attract an outsized amount of attention
to the ways of doing business. I mean, from America
(06:17):
to Europe to Britain. How many times have these players
been called before committees and tribunals and inquiries to answer
questions about their practices records, business approach, revenue generation in general,
omni presence in people's lives. IRD will tell you our
details are safe, the names of the ages, the serial
numbers are confidential. They've been hashed. I think that's the term.
That's where they take letters and all that sort of
(06:38):
thing and turn them into numbers and keys. But have
they are they really now? People, especially those on social media,
they give them a lot of themselves the way, of course,
on a regular basis, off and not even realizing it.
But the idea are different. We had no choice, We
weren't asked, we didn't give permission. That needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It does seem absolutely incredible, and it seems even more
incredible that I haven't heard more people.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Be more upset about it over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But I did say on my other very very successful
podcast news talks, they have been If you haven't heard it,
go on subscribe, listen to it now immediately by literally
pause this one, go back and listen to that one,
and then come back to this one. Right you're back,
And you would have heard me say privacy is dead.
So maybe we just don't care anymore?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So the internet is really going to be the theme
for the rest of this podcast actually, because of course
Australias are going to ban kids from going on it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
While going on social media anyway, good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It is almost inconceivable that Elderineasy is as inept as
he is in Australia. But he announced yesterday that he's
drawing up legislation. So he's going to ban kids from
going on social media, as though that's a thing you
can do, and so it will be exactly the same.
They haven't drawn up the legislation. He thinks about sixteen's ripe.
Sixteen ish above you can go on social media. The
(07:58):
legislation will involve the business of simply are you eighteen
or sixteen when you go on social media. So when
you go to TikTok, it will go are you sixteen,
and you will go yes, even though you're six, and
that will be the end of it. And the fact
that he thinks that's going to make any difference whatsoever
is contained in the Sydney Morning Herald headline I read yesterday,
(08:19):
which was buried far too far down the article. It
said will it actually work? And their opening line was
no country in the world has rolled out a system
like the one that the e Safety Commission is proposing.
Beginning middle an end.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Of story, I guess you just have social media police.
The same ones probably who are making sure that gang
members aren't wearing their patches inside their houses, they can
be the ones.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That are making sure that fourteen year.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Olds aren't on instat rerat.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now we uncovered a mean trend today on the show.
And if you've got any idea what's happening in the world,
you're probably already aware of it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But we weren't.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And somebody drew our attention to the fact that the
minut History of.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Education's TikTok page features a video that, well, it's not
really a video, it's just a still picture of some
dolphins under a rainbow. And then it's just a caption
on that picture that says, let's go to school. And
we wondered if that was a good use of the
ministry's resources. And then of course it was a rabbit hole,
(09:34):
well not a dolphin hole.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I guess it sounds wrong, dolphin hole, doesn't it right?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So here's the dolphin meme thing. We're onto it there.
The Education Ministry are so whip it it's incredible. So
the Symphony dolphin meme has been all over TikTok for
ages and users post the images and the videos of
the dolphin set to the tune of the song. The
(09:59):
song was a twenty seventeen hit by Clean Bandit featuring
Zara Larson. It began a TikToker called Errortet herotet higher
att Errortet.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Posted a business not pronounced urotate could.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Be posted a video of a vibrant dolphin leaping out
of the water while the upbeat chorus lars and symphony
plays in the background. Instead of a motivational message, the
overlay read I'm depressed and that went off. That went,
as Mark Mitchell would say, that went viral, and so
then after the success of the video, Uytet posted some
(10:39):
more content captions like I have social anxiety, I love
alcohol and I self sabotage everything, And as Mark says,
that went viral as well. So the memes spread and
other techtok users joined in.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I like the one who says life when that
one person shuts the hell.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Up exactly, I would sell you for one single beer.
He's my first favorite. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I quite like the one where one music just put
I'm a lesbian.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And so the ministry, all the cool cats at the
Ministry they thought, we're on. Here, we're on. And then
the boomers from zib came along and were, what's helped
me with the dolphin? Done that? As we're done with dolphins,
Mark said, it'll go viral and so the next thing
you know, you've got it all explain to you, and
(11:34):
that's how the show works.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, in conclusion, definitely ban all social media, not just
from kids, but from everyone and we'll all be better off.
But make sure you keep listening to this podcast. Of course,
I don't think this counts as social media. It's kind
of anti social media. It's just me talking to you
(11:56):
and hopefully you'll let me do that to you again tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Again, that sounded wrong. I'll see you then though.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
For more from Newstalk st B, listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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